Post B2EAgsHDXoGErilPMW by jesterchen@social.tchncs.de
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(DIR) Post #B20yMpvg9vmYEfZaDI by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-06T17:08:04Z
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Firefox uses on-device downloaded-on-demand ML models for privacy-preserving translation.They're not LLMs. They're trained on open data.Should translation be disabled if the AI 'kill switch' is active?
(DIR) Post #B20yMrJT0yP8Wji5vk by mkljczk@pl.fediverse.pl
2026-01-06T17:13:29.087531Z
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@firefoxwebdevs I believe it'd be better if Firefox stopped referring to unwanted slop like chatbots with meaningless marketing terms such as 'AI' instead
(DIR) Post #B20ycjgBAFFPU7u7we by binkle@clubcyberia.co
2026-01-06T17:16:31.055941Z
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@firefoxwebdevs ✔️ normal dwarven behavior
(DIR) Post #B20z971rsy7ZAaUHtQ by mrclon@mastodon.ml
2026-01-06T17:22:22Z
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@firefoxwebdevs see no reason disable it by default. But i am not kind of person «AI kill switch» made for
(DIR) Post #B21NfyeD93cEgSwTQG by malte@anticapitalist.party
2026-01-06T21:12:10Z
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@firefoxwebdevs you came up with the "killswitch" as if it was opt-in (it's *clearly* opt-out!), you put translate and llm-stuff into one box, *you* are the ones engaging in worst faith. why don't you go ahead and ask us why we're punching ourselves?
(DIR) Post #B21NnUWt0We5ah6Chc by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2026-01-06T21:58:33.541862Z
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@dalias @firefoxwebdevs Which is also kind of funny when compared to pro-privacy features like containers being put as extensions.
(DIR) Post #B21OOXsxUc8eiK5lVg by mcc@mastodon.social
2026-01-06T18:53:09Z
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@firefoxwebdevs "AI" isn't a real thing. When we use the word "AI", we (and you) mean something completely different from "Artificial Intelligence", basically referring to "things that we wouldn't have used machine learning for before 2018, because before 2018 we recognized it does not work for those purposes".However, translation should still be a removable extension, for a variety of reasons, one being that the Simple Translate plugin is actually better than your builtin translation support.
(DIR) Post #B22P6E9iP2upQHicoS by m0rpk@mastodon.radio
2026-01-06T20:02:12Z
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@firefoxwebdevs The frame of this question is risible.I am begging you to just make a web browser.Make it the best browser for the open web. Make it a browser that empowers individuals. Make it a browser that defends users against threats.Do not make a search engine. Do not make a translation engine. Do not make a webpage summariser. Do not make a front-end for an LLM. Do not make a client-side LLM.Just. Make. A. Web. Browser.Please.
(DIR) Post #B22Pkoo7YICQgByQ6K by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T09:24:39Z
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@davidgerard @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @zzt I realise your position is immutable, but I've already used the results of this survey to push for a change to the design of the kill switch. I'm grateful to everyone who responded.
(DIR) Post #B22PkqrjtoHZ3zgL1E by zzt@mas.to
2026-01-07T09:31:08Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet is the change to the design of the kill switch that it doesn’t exist because all of Firefox’s AI features will be moved into add-ons that aren’t installed by default?if not, you’ve used the results of the poll to misrepresent community opinion and @davidgerard’s quote unquote “immutable position”, whatever that means to people who don’t speak passive aggressive post-it note, is absolutely correct
(DIR) Post #B22PksD2u4v5EMerrs by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T09:42:13Z
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@zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard My interpretation of the poll results is that the vast majority of people feel that the translation engine should be disabled as part of an AI kill switch, but there should be a way to re-enable the translation engine whilst leaving the kill switch otherwise active.
(DIR) Post #B22PktFv0soOTZ0fz6 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2026-01-07T09:55:07.756327Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet Have a general "AI disable button" with sub categorize for people who want only some things.It's already like that in the search configuration page.What's as important imo is to have an introduction/pedagogical page to changes made where options like this are introduced when updates are done where people can enable/disable them.I know it's like only 10% of any users who read, but it will satisfy most more skilled people, and it might bring knowledge to some people.
(DIR) Post #B22Q3OBekZvhcUpy5I by funkylab@mastodon.social
2026-01-06T21:10:23Z
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@m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs quite honestly, you're off the mark, **a lot**.A browser with a built-in translator is a door opener for the open web for so many people that don't read English well enough to benefit from the dominant corpus of technological, cultural and scientific websites.Firefox could indeed remove that functionality and instead of letting people translate websites on their phone make them use the google translate app that directly. Congrats on how you've advocated for the open web.
(DIR) Post #B22Q3PVBrR9JhMz5Ae by m0rpk@mastodon.radio
2026-01-06T21:41:03Z
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@funkylab Mozilla only have to make that functionality possible to add via a plugin for people who want it. That way user choice, accessible web translation, and separation between core and optional browser functions and are all satisfied.There is nothing to say Mozilla have to deliver that plugin - and nothing to stop them from doing so either. Or anyone else.I'd argue that's how the open web should work. Not mandating optional behaviour within the browser itself.@firefoxwebdevs
(DIR) Post #B22Q3QmF7WNreXyDOC by funkylab@mastodon.social
2026-01-06T21:43:18Z
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@m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs mozilla did deliver this as a plugin in the beginning. What's your point? "Don't make the web open, unless it's something that I approve?"
(DIR) Post #B22Q3RaE7gMm9ZM8Ia by funkylab@mastodon.social
2026-01-06T21:45:11Z
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@m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs what exactly is bad about not delivering functionality that benefits basically everyone (my English, I claim, is fine, but I can't read a word of Japanese and Spanish is mostly guesswork; most humans read no more than 3 languages)? How exactly does it detract from Firefox being an enabler of the Open Web that they do, by default, enable the Open Web crosslingually?
(DIR) Post #B22Q3SUwinjizTtQhs by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-07T09:58:29Z
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@funkylab Frankly, because they very obviously need to put the effort into improving the core browser. By all means, they can prompt for a plug-in on installation, there are many around, and they are part of the Open Web rather than something you get plumbed in as if it were some piece of Microsoft bloatware. If they don't fix the browser, the whole concept of the Open Web becomes moot. @m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs
(DIR) Post #B22Rnrz8OUNvJOhwMy by julienw@pouet.chapril.org
2026-01-07T10:18:07Z
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@vik your sentence makes no sense: both as a plugin or integrated in a browser, folks are needed to implement it. The fact it would be an extension doesn't change that.Also it's not exclusive. There are people working on the translation engine. There are people working on improving the platform. There are people working on the Firefox frontend.@funkylab @m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs
(DIR) Post #B22SaiNctTA1iDSFw8 by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T09:50:05Z
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@mawhrin @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard I wanted to get the thoughts of folks who are sceptical of AI, and in my experience a lot of those folks are here.Do you feel the outcome of the poll is wrong?
(DIR) Post #B22SajrnMmt4K4ZrbE by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2026-01-07T10:26:21.753954Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet >of folks who are sceptical of AIWhat people should be concerned and my main concern about AI are:-Is the software under copyleft ?-Are the models under copyleft ?-Is the data sourced from copyleft or copyleft compatible licenses ?The FSF is right about this issue once again.People being skeptical of AI is kinda legitimate when you listen to talks like the one Eric Schmidt did: https://github.com/ociubotaru/transcripts/blob/main/Stanford_ECON295%E2%A7%B8CS323_I_2024_I_The_Age_of_AI%2C_Eric_Schmidt.txtHe literally say that violating copyright is ok that lawyers will get around that and it's their problem, these people do not play fair, and don't want to, individuals cannot do this, small entities cannot do this without being accountable.So what can we deduce from their words and action ? They don't want a free market ? The only vision they seem to have of the free market is a form of techno feudalism, the recent acquisition of RAM production by openAI is another good example of that. And it doesn't help that the current usage of AI brought little positive results to people compared to the resources invested in it.So of course people are dubious of AI, as the spotlight are on the biggest entities that looks like a bubble and it taste like a bubble.>Do you feel the outcome of the poll is wrong?Any polls on the internet is not to be trusted tbh. But sane choices like being able to deactivate functions should be a thing in any case.
(DIR) Post #B22XrfhMcIce5ZakWO by Pi_rat@shitposter.world
2026-01-07T11:26:07.579066Z
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@firefoxwebdevs Be a browser, let translation services do translation. If people have need for translation MLs they can get them on their own.
(DIR) Post #B22Z8FbSzUlK28IpjU by Pi_rat@shitposter.world
2026-01-07T11:40:20.192632Z
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@firefoxwebdevs Way to manually enable and disable extensions from toolbar would be good
(DIR) Post #B22cSAlUzLiOgMBcNE by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-07T12:17:00Z
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@julienw I'm sorry you don't get it, but don't worry, we do.@funkylab @m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs
(DIR) Post #B22duSyUykLbDlK2pk by funkylab@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T12:33:44Z
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@vik no, you're just grandstanding. Don't be an arse on the internet.@julienw @m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs
(DIR) Post #B22gXCuSqGQCb92IO8 by vik@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2026-01-07T13:03:15Z
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@funkylab Well, you'll get that when someone says "here are the reasons" and you go "they're not reasons". Probably little point in having any other discourse with you at this point. @julienw @m0rpk @firefoxwebdevs
(DIR) Post #B22iAgtzMgdarjClCC by cryptgoat@fedifreu.de
2026-01-07T13:21:14Z
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@firefoxwebdevs The amount of feature popups during normale browsing gets more and more annoying. I wish my browser of choice would leave me the frack alone or at least ask me these questions directly on first launch (setup screen). Feels more and more like "taming" WIndows after a fresh installation of Firefox. 😑
(DIR) Post #B22kGcIHbvD8DfWOsS by xela@troet.cafe
2026-01-06T17:18:04Z
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@firefoxwebdevs if I better understood what "downloaded-on-demand ML models" means in practice, I'd feel more qualified to participate. 😉 No external service involved in any way, right? How resource hungry was/is training that model?
(DIR) Post #B22kGdsphW2d9Jd6UC by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-06T17:21:57Z
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@xela no external service is used. I'm not sure on the resources used for training, but it's useful to know that would factor into your decision. The project is here https://github.com/mozilla/translations
(DIR) Post #B23EgrrdLCLgfCURn6 by duke_of_germany@mastodon.gamedev.place
2026-01-07T10:25:37Z
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Let's ask the real question:Firefox users,do you want any AI directly built into Firefox, or separated out into extensions?@firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante#Firefox #InformedConsent
(DIR) Post #B23EgtoA74lCh0sheq by CozyNCD@nicecrew.digital
2026-01-07T19:25:37.702200Z
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I'll never use Firefox.I use the better browser Brave. https://brave.com/Also Nigger Faggot.
(DIR) Post #B23LEAMICPUVIw5kDg by veinglory@freebeerextremist.com
2026-01-07T20:38:45.320324Z
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs @davidgerard @tante I am interested in programs that deliver me websites. Not answers. If i want answers i will find them myself; I am quite capable.
(DIR) Post #B23LZT0g367FER8dQe by veinglory@freebeerextremist.com
2026-01-07T20:42:36.876313Z
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@duke_of_germany @davidgerard @firefoxwebdevs @tante ..... In the event that i want to prompt a large language model for further information, I will elect to do so at my own discretion. I dont need the option forced upon me; that does nothing but create interface friction. Which wastes my time. Please dont waste my time.
(DIR) Post #B23M359LKDxzuzJTpw by mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org
2026-01-07T20:48:17.731086Z
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@firefoxwebdevs fire Anthony Enzor-DeMeo
(DIR) Post #B23VN8zzcfzLEea56O by zzt@mas.to
2026-01-07T22:18:54Z
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@davidgerard @gedankenstuecke @linear @fasterandworse @nuintari @heptapodEnthusiast @firefoxwebdevs > anyway, i would definitely save copies of the entire thread immediately for when jake lies about what went down here.I think an archived copy of this thread in full should be posted every time Mozilla’s official-trust-us account asks for opinions. I don’t particularly like seeing mastodon users’ good faith used against them, and this thread is a worked example of manufactured consent.
(DIR) Post #B23VWkKSCStTcPjK6K by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T11:51:22Z
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@angelfeast @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard as in, you don't think there should be an option to re-enable it, or that it should be enabled by default?
(DIR) Post #B23VWmBJJQlhMdT37w by nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2026-01-07T12:36:22Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @angelfeast @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard Missing option, if shouldn't be in the browser code in the first place. It should be an add-on that the user has to explicitly install.A suspect lot of people voted for the, "but allow it to re-enabled," option due to it being the least shitty choice presented. Not because that is the behavior they actually desire.
(DIR) Post #B23VWnczvyVfqnQfvE by heptapodEnthusiast@mathstodon.xyz
2026-01-07T15:37:05Z
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@nuintari @firefoxwebdevs @angelfeast @zzt @yoasif @fmasy @Rycochet @davidgerard THIS. Anyone who's ever written a poll or survey that's not *deliberately* a push poll knows that polls influence the beliefs of the people being polled, by choosing which options are presented vs hidden and by the exact wording of the question and options. It simply cannot be avoided, only minimized.
(DIR) Post #B23VWpA0EkVMbRsY0O by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T15:48:14Z
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@heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari I didn't see the point in including options that were never going to be actioned. If anything, that would be extremely misleading.
(DIR) Post #B23VWqA2W681hqu5hY by fasterandworse@hci.social
2026-01-07T15:53:21Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt this response is, quite honestly, terrifying—and your removal of other vocal critics in the thread is evidence you are aware of this.
(DIR) Post #B23VWrCYeDjkvx5cGW by fasterandworse@hci.social
2026-01-07T15:57:29Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt you could save us all a lot of time by stating in the original post a list of *very* common responses to Firefox AI initiatives which are "never going to be actioned"JESUS CHRIST
(DIR) Post #B23VWsBsyCnG09marA by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T16:08:27Z
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@fasterandworse @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt Did you seriously believe that unshipping a largely well-regarded feature like translations was on the table for Firefox 148?
(DIR) Post #B23VWtDh8xppC3dYJc by fasterandworse@hci.social
2026-01-07T16:16:35Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt the missing option which you are responding to is "Missing option, if shouldn't be in the browser code in the first place. It should be an add-on that the user has to explicitly install"I've been following your responses because (correct me if I'm wrong) you have not addressed any of the "make them all add-ons" responses.It has been repeated ad nauseam with good reason considering the opt-in/consent issue with AI features
(DIR) Post #B23VWuBxWu2aCxpgFU by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T16:18:51Z
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@fasterandworse @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zztGiven the poll was about translations, the option you wanted would amount to unshipping a largely well-regarded feature.Again, did you seriously and honestly believe that was on the table for Firefox 148?
(DIR) Post #B23VWv99ynObAZWxWa by fasterandworse@hci.social
2026-01-07T16:19:12Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt who said unshipping?
(DIR) Post #B23VWwGdoSySe42RpA by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T16:20:19Z
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@fasterandworse @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt By making something a plugin, I assume that means removing it from its current place - integrated into the browser. If I'm wrong about that, your option is unclear."it shouldn't be in the browser code in the first place" suggests to me removing it from the browser code, no?
(DIR) Post #B23VWxC4MwuZWAuJKy by fasterandworse@hci.social
2026-01-07T16:24:01Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt why would moving if "from its current place" and making it an add-on be "unshipping"?Convert it to an add-on, pre-install it, because we're past the opt-in point by now, then we can uninstall it like any other add-on and you can all forget about a nonsense kill switch
(DIR) Post #B23VWyHmJD4WuAaNsG by fasterandworse@hci.social
2026-01-07T16:29:28Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt if there are reasons this cannot be an add-on, then THAT is the discussion you should be having with the community. Because that is the barrier you have not addressed and it is what makes a kill switch so peculiar.I don't appreciate your defensiveness, and false transparency posturing. You are prepared to ask for clarity from people asking softball questions, but you're ignoring the slew of "make it an add-on" suggestions
(DIR) Post #B23VX4Fs7D71Pzjwjg by fasterandworse@hci.social
2026-01-07T16:31:59Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @heptapodEnthusiast @nuintari @davidgerard @zzt and you've just done it to me by saying that a mention of "explicit install" throws the baby out with the bathwater.You've called @davidgerard 's position "immutable" as if we're unable to have a serious, unified stance against a very clear overstep between a passive web browser and the encroachment of something which is not that.
(DIR) Post #B23Vhu5qEkNb5UDQOm by linear@nya.social
2026-01-07T17:55:39.563Z
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@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @fasterandworse@hci.social @heptapodEnthusiast@mathstodon.xyz @nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe @davidgerard@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to you have unshipped plenty of well-regarded Firefox features and associated products. I still miss Lockwise, despite the fact that every bug i filed with it (some of which prevented me from using it outright, on several devices) was marked not-planned.so, yes, i think it's reasonable to expect Firefox to un-ship features like this.
(DIR) Post #B23Vhv4SbMrw7UZpsu by linear@nya.social
2026-01-07T17:59:04.843Z
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@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @fasterandworse@hci.social @heptapodEnthusiast@mathstodon.xyz @nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe @davidgerard@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to frankly, i'm not convinced that removal in less than 5 years isn't already the fate of all of these features, and i suspect this whole thing will turn out to have been a massive waste of money and development effort.
(DIR) Post #B23sXNFRnTvRGoelsG by sarvo@novoa.nagoya
2026-01-08T02:52:26.315Z
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@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social kys
(DIR) Post #B23wSayriCvwEIsSem by zzt@mas.to
2026-01-06T17:22:50Z
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@firefoxwebdevs also, I just gotta ask: was the prompt for this quiz “hey ChatGPT come up with an ai use case that’ll stump the haters! do not hallucinate do not use emojis” or did this ooze out of your human brain after the LLM psychosis fried it?
(DIR) Post #B23wSc5zZCEDghDfP6 by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-06T17:24:40Z
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@zzt I posted this poll after a meeting where we discussed the design of the kill switch, and there was uncertainty around translations. I want to make sure the community's voice is represented in these discussions.
(DIR) Post #B23wScq4nr5jzcmTEe by Rycochet@furs.social
2026-01-06T20:09:49Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @zzt You ignored the firefox userbase's voice when it came to adding AI in the first place, don't pretend you're listening now when you're really just trying to get the users to come up with justifications for what you have already decided to do. Firefox users have repeatedly said we do not want AI features imstalled by default, you chose not to listen and now you're trying to find ways you can feel less bad about that by pretending you gave people options when it comes to AI usage, rather than taking one away.If you cared about what 'the community' wants, you would have asked people when the AI notion was first pitched and taken no for an answer, but yet again, AI enthusiasts have acted without consent.
(DIR) Post #B2EAJr3NvSIWPaJiBU by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-08T14:31:13Z
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Thank you everyone who responded to this.For context: I saw mocks of the kill switch where translation was included, but it lacked the ability to enable the kill switch but still enable particular features (such as translation).The results of this poll helped me successfully push for more granular control in addition to the single AI kill switch. So again, thank you for that.
(DIR) Post #B2EAJs0EOfMxM5qhuK by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-08T14:32:05Z
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This account is about web platform features and DevTools in Firefox. I only got personally involved in the AI kill switch because of previous feedback from many of you here.I know many of you wanted, instead, a broader referendum on 'AI' features in Firefox. However, I'm not personally in a position to action results of such a poll. Whereas I was confident I could do something about the results of the poll I ran, which is why I ran it.
(DIR) Post #B2EAJt84D1EOqgWTlA by nightclaw@mastodon.social
2026-01-12T07:57:14Z
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@firefoxwebdevs who ultimatley controls the inclusion (or not) of LLM features in FF?
(DIR) Post #B2EAJu72YK0Jtn3AnY by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-12T16:49:05Z
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@nightclaw ultimately-ultimately, the CEO, but if you've worked in a not-tiny company before I'm sure you'll have experienced how these things are layered.
(DIR) Post #B2EAJurTlf9QDomGBM by linear@nya.social
2026-01-12T21:31:39.485Z
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@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @nightclaw@mastodon.social personally, if i were in your position, i would feel obligated by my professional ethics to bring this backlash up to my superiors, up to and including the CEO. i'm sure it would make people a lot more comfortable were you to so much as acknowledge the pushback without getting defensive, and instead accept the feedback and pass it on (in the process, confirming that other eyes at Mozilla than yours have reviewed the opinions in this thread)if the environment at my workplace discouraged this behavior, i would consider it a highly toxic workplace environment and leave as soon as possible.with that in mind, i'm beginning to wonder: is Mozilla a toxic workplace environment? do you need help finding a different job, where it's encouraged to listen to feedback from your users and pass it up the chain?
(DIR) Post #B2EAJx03ojCgr0o8ps by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-08T14:32:22Z
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Anyway, Firefox 147 is out next week, and it includes a pretty big drop of web platform features which I'm looking forward to presenting! Although, the winter 'ill' seems to have finally caught up with me. Let's see if I have a voice left for the recordings.
(DIR) Post #B2EAOMMVSoN0fgPQDw by linear@nya.social
2026-01-12T21:35:21.728Z
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@firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social @nightclaw@mastodon.social for that matter, some direct questions: have other eyes at Mozilla seen the information in this thread?and another related question that's been burning in my mind: can you point to anything official that states that this "firefoxwebdevs" account is a currently active official account, controlled by Mozilla, and not something being done by a rogue employee?
(DIR) Post #B2EAPtyNz67LCfrVxJ by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
2026-01-12T21:59:28.079324Z
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@linear @nightclaw @firefoxwebdevs this would have been easier if mozilla hadn't shut down its instancealso rip irc.mozilla.org while i'm at it
(DIR) Post #B2EAgqvCaB3Yf9SJPM by jesterchen@social.tchncs.de
2026-01-07T15:27:38Z
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs This is a so much better way to select options. In the survey above you have to read the question, understand the negation, stop, pause, think, process the different options, ...The second one just asks what should be done (positive) and gives underatandable choices.Please, let's all make surveys as easy as The Duke did. 🙂
(DIR) Post #B2EAgsHDXoGErilPMW by jesterchen@social.tchncs.de
2026-01-07T15:34:08Z
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@duke_of_germany @firefoxwebdevs Oh, and please use clear choices with unambiguous answers. What does "🤷♀️" even mean in the first survey?- I don't know.- I don't care.- I lack sufficient deep knowledge about what AI actually is, though I do get the feeling that it's more than just LLMs, but how would I know? The privacy intrusions and energy sources both used to create LLMs in the first place do *really* bother me, especially in the shadows of Metallica v. Napster and the social inequity that is now used by companies like OpenAI. Also, I want to crawl to bed, eat pizza and pet my cat.- Something else...So, dear Firefoxians, what does 🤷♀️ mean in your survey?
(DIR) Post #B2EAgszWt3hr59UnQm by firefoxwebdevs@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T15:42:52Z
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@jesterchen @duke_of_germany ah, I thought 🤷 was well understood to mean "I don't know/care, I just want to see the results". It's pretty commonly used, but clearly not commonly enough. Sorry!
(DIR) Post #B2EAgtcsWlBL3BuDlQ by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
2026-01-07T17:45:28Z
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@firefoxwebdevs @jesterchen @duke_of_germany Immediately restore the work of japanese language translators that you paved over with AI slophttps://linuxiac.com/ai-controversy-forces-end-of-mozilla-japanese-sumo-community/#Firefox #Mozilla #Japanese #GenAI #AISlop
(DIR) Post #B2EArNAfXCprZvhs2K by jaffathecake@mastodon.social
2026-01-07T06:29:49Z
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@sebastian which feature resulted in the ban? Given that you can access eg chatgpt in any browser, shouldn't your company ban all browsers?
(DIR) Post #B2EArNq9300peZ6zgW by linear@nya.social
2026-01-08T00:13:47.868Z
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@jaffathecake@mastodon.social @sebastian@schottkydio.de i am in a similar situation in that my employer, which does business to business software contracting, bans all AI use unless the details of such use were included in the contract with the client. i suspect this is ill-enforced except for higher security projects, but the wording of the policy would suggest that Firefox is indeed not allowed on a project if the client has not explicitly said so, because of its AI features. this is moot as my work laptops are Macs, and while Firefox is installed on both, it does not actually function properly and cannot render pages (on a fresh profile, on two separate laptops, managed by two entirely different organizations!). so accordingly, i use Safari.