Post B1dgr59PrZfIJzC080 by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
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(DIR) Post #B1dVqamffREUe17M1I by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T09:35:44.875982Z
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The Nativity of Jesus is Fiction: The Gospels Are Fake History! | Dr. Joan Taylor | History Valleyhttps://youtu.be/WntoWCQD3dg
(DIR) Post #B1dZAl7tDz2wNHLmgC by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:07:19Z
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@toiletpaper If for a moment one paused and realized the biggest liars in the world wrote the majority of tales told in that book. They may understand a few things differently.
(DIR) Post #B1dZAmu8c5EbtCvpWS by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T10:12:24Z
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@DrFell @toiletpaper If one understands that mythology, while not being a literal account still holds great truths, then one can see the value in it even if it is not literally accurate.
(DIR) Post #B1daDFgWgAIHgSItjE by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:19:38Z
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@nanook @toiletpaper You have to be wise enough to extract the valuable word and not the corny stuff. Making a mantra out of it, memorizing chapter and verse, is sort of a tedious form of hypnotism.
(DIR) Post #B1daDH2tcTmXu7mHEe by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T10:24:28Z
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@DrFell @toiletpaper I memorize those that have meaning to me personally. I don't have the entire thing memorized word for word though I can recall most of the content non-verbatim.
(DIR) Post #B1daG8qeYPklLhQ0rg by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T10:25:11.017989Z
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@DrFell @nanook@friendica.eskimo.comThe main problems with it stem from the fact that it's deliberately marketed as a historical fact when in reality it's a pseudohistorical fantasy novel that belongs in the fiction section of the library. Being a work of fiction need not detract from whatever wisdom is present, but misrepresenting it as factual renders all that wisdom moot, as evidenced by the 2,000 year track record of violent bigotry stemming from it's application.
(DIR) Post #B1daLwhubgfPQq67Dk by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:26:00Z
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@toiletpaper Agreed đ¤
(DIR) Post #B1daaMoCMKtWRDul8a by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T10:28:13Z
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@toiletpaper @DrFell There are people who believe it is, they count generations and declare the Earth to only be 6000 years old as a result. I am scientifically literate, I understand radio-isotopic dating and it doesn't give with the generational count age determination, therefore I can not take it literally.
(DIR) Post #B1db401rcML4TZR6ye by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:31:54Z
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@nanook @toiletpaper Agreed đ¤
(DIR) Post #B1db41OaXM6uiL4m2K by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T10:34:10.374806Z
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@DrFell It's kinda annoying to see responses in the thread to comments from an account on a server which apparently has SPW instance blocked. Fucking fedi snowflakes...
(DIR) Post #B1dbxLdkyAI1QeYJsm by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:25:12Z
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@nanook @toiletpaper It's a good lesson, a manual to live by . Simply know the difference .
(DIR) Post #B1dbxN3fhIc5pJgWum by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:41:42Z
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@nanook @toiletpaper If I had to choose a book, these Valentinianism, in particular, developed a complex cosmology involving the Pleroma (the fullness of divine beings) and the emanation of lower powers, with salvation achieved through gnosis.The Basilideans, Marcionites, and Thomasines, each with distinct theological emphases. The Marcionites, for example, rejected the Old Testament and viewed the God of the Hebrew Bible as a malevolent demiurge, aligning with a radical dualism.
(DIR) Post #B1dbxNz6FmYChQYOQa by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T10:43:40Z
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@DrFell @toiletpaper I don't see one as detracting from another. I think mythology comes about precisely because it encodes valuable truths.
(DIR) Post #B1dcB66bWXbnIqbO8O by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T10:46:40.462150Z
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@DrFell *nods*The various so-called `Gnostic` sects are interesting, but personally if I had to choose a comparable tradition from that era it would likely be Hermeticism. Unlike Christian Gnostics, Hermetic Gnostics don't regard the demiurge, creation, nor the body to be evil/corrupt, but simply a lower manifestation of the divine totality and a necessary stepping stone in the process of theurgy.
(DIR) Post #B1dcJnpErGZnDMd92O by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:44:09Z
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@toiletpaper I don't have the domain blocked
(DIR) Post #B1dcJpON28Gy4c4iR6 by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T10:48:13.888251Z
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@DrFell I know you don't, but I can't see any of the comments from @nanook@friendica.eskimo.com. It's either because friendica.eskimo.com has SPW instance blocked, or because friendica is incompatible with pleroma. Either way it's rather annoying to only see 1/2 the conversation.
(DIR) Post #B1dcLNhqwItkmpvd8C by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:48:01Z
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@toiletpaper Yes the hermetics are interesting, I meant to mention them as well.
(DIR) Post #B1dcccVl9FPDctUZCC by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T10:51:16Z
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@toiletpaper @DrFell My own take, the point to sentient life is love, love required freedom of will, freedom of will meant some people were going to choose good, to love, some evil, not to love, and the point of Jesus is redemption for those who will inevitably choose the latter.
(DIR) Post #B1dctm4wpUAYDr8B7o by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:52:11Z
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@toiletpaper I'd like to bundle parts from each one and make a single Gnostic religion out of the best parts. đâď¸
(DIR) Post #B1dctnECYZAJmqT5Bg by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T10:54:44.034541Z
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@DrFell Personally I'm not the slightest bit fixated on historical Paganisms/mysticism. I like to know about them because I find it interesting, but when it comes to practice of religion for it's own sake, I've invented my own. It has features in common with some systems like Hermeticism (eg. harmony of complementary opposites, etc), but isn't tied to nor dependent on any other historical system.
(DIR) Post #B1dcuaokBUVjaMwSRs by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T10:54:45Z
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@toiletpaper Regarding replies not appearing: Sometimes it's just time, most sites do not have the resources that I do, they get behind and incoming messages don't get filed in real time. I formerly ran this site on a six core machine with 128GB of RAM, it was not enough, 18 cores and 256GB for the time being suffices.
(DIR) Post #B1ddBXZ9WhWcQMjLYu by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:57:41Z
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@toiletpaper Sounds good to me those are wise philosophies to go by. I can se why you'd choose those.âď¸
(DIR) Post #B1ddSGGZ6Fp9h10e3s by porkcow@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T11:00:59.029213Z
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@DrFell @toiletpaper 1: What historical document has more veracity than the 4 gospels?2: Are we applying 1-1 ethnic overlap between ancient Hebrews and modern Khazars?3: Are we taking from that that we should take the word of a woman and some athiest nerds writing fanfic because a cousin of Jesus got a job out of town later and this proves it because it "might be true"?4: If/then, of what value is a lie?
(DIR) Post #B1ddTBXCB5zlJ6EEOe by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T10:53:23Z
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@nanook @toiletpaper Toiletpaper told me he can't see your posts... your server.
(DIR) Post #B1ddTCtZ7PU1Wlhbu4 by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T11:00:56Z
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@DrFell @toiletpaper I'm sorry that is the case, but often instances on weaker hardware or shared hosting do not and can not keep up in real time.
(DIR) Post #B1ddUsIydw0kFPNrJQ by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T11:01:26.639344Z
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@DrFell What I find fascinating though is that starting from a very simple basis (eg. what are the most essential operative principals of consciousness), everything else emerges and logically follows from that inquiry naturally, including a fairly complete basic system of morality. It also amazes me that very very often when I read historical philosophies and Pagan religious ideas, I repeatedly come across insights I've arrived at spontaneously through my own contemplation.
(DIR) Post #B1dddhYTyqQpVtqSvI by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T11:01:53Z
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@toiletpaper Have you listened to this one, on opposites in the pleroma, sermon 1?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrOqQBGJV-k
(DIR) Post #B1dddiwGpt3Pnxyydk by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T11:03:01.724935Z
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@DrFellNot yet, but I'll add that to my playlist for later in the day. Thanks! I'm a fan of (but by no means an expert on) Jung's occult investigations.
(DIR) Post #B1ddiqwGWI0442QSmW by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T11:03:45Z
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@toiletpaper I really think you'll enjoy it.
(DIR) Post #B1de8AJvb2CTPmZ0zo by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T11:08:24Z
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@toiletpaper Carl Jung understood there is underlying connectivity between us, the exact nature of that perhaps not but perhaps nobody does, still he recognized that it exists.
(DIR) Post #B1dfgLNf55ITW9AhBg by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T11:19:26Z
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@porkcow @toiletpaper I personally would pluck the gospels out of the book, a few proverbs as well. It's all you need.
(DIR) Post #B1dfgNLxkN7tdSOMoi by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T11:25:37Z
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@DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper I find quite a lot interesting, the Gospels for sure, but also the flood story, Genesis the creation theory, I think Genesis recognizes in a somewhat indirect way what I believe to be a physical truth. It speaks of Jesus speaking the world into existence, but without atmosphere there is no literal speech so what is meant by this? I think thought. And this fits by general belief that the material world view that consciousness is an epiphenomena is backwards, I believe consciousness -> information -> energy -> matter.
(DIR) Post #B1dftqJhNASREEkqiO by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T11:28:22.487681Z
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@porkcow @DrFell > more veracity than the 4 gospelsYou clearly need to learn more about the provenance and manuscript tradition associated with those texts. Between the roughly 6,000 manuscripts of the NT alone there are about 500,000 textual discrepancies (more than there are words in the canonical text). The synoptic gospels + John are no exception.> Are we applying 1-1 ethnic overlap between ancient Hebrews and modern Khazars?The Khazar thing is a modern anti-Semitic conspiracy fairy tale. The Khazar Khaganate disappeared in the mid 10th century (over 1,000 years ago) and was absorbed into the surrounding Turkic populations. As to Judaism, it was largely adopted by elites for the sake of economic advantage, with significant portions of the regular multi-ethnic population continuing their traditional Tengrism, as well minority superstitions such as Christinanity and Islame, in addition to other Pagan religions.> the word of a woman and some athiest nerds writing fanfic because a cousin of Jesus got a job out of townDafuq you even talking about?> what value is a lie?2,000 years of gullible superstitious retards trying to shove it down everyone else's throat by force.
(DIR) Post #B1dgr59PrZfIJzC080 by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T11:35:51Z
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@nanook @toiletpaper @porkcow Sounds good to me, a method how you decipher it and it holds a theory fixed inside you. If that works for you that's fine, but it's you're own interpretation with a bit of confirmation bias. Kabbahlists claim they wrote OT Bible in code , if one reads it literally not according to their study methods, they also say it's garbage.
(DIR) Post #B1dgr6kfuX3xHpdGqG by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2025-12-26T11:39:02.828194Z
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Consciousness was the fall. God's awareness of himself both created and dragged him into the material world.
(DIR) Post #B1dgs6FzEjM22bkdcG by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T11:39:04Z
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@DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper I don't argue my view as truth, I am only expressing how I see it. That said, I've arrived at my view as a way to rectify seeming incompatibilities between macro physicality and quantum physics along with personal out of body experiences in which I've been able to retrieve remote and future information accurately.
(DIR) Post #B1dhL7rmKbWDQmGimm by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T11:42:14Z
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@nanook @toiletpaper @porkcow That's awesome you find nuggets to hang your hat on that gives you a vision to work with.
(DIR) Post #B1dhL9N0jy605vtB6e by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T11:44:15Z
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@DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper I'm 67 now, if consciousness goes on, and I think the likelihood is that it does, then I will know soon enough, and if it doesn't, I won't care.
(DIR) Post #B1dhXNDJ62iwVLB8DY by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T11:45:04Z
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@Humpleupagus @nanook @porkcow @toiletpaper Wow , I've heard that somewhere before. It's a concept to ponder.
(DIR) Post #B1dhn2gzA6PnUZX2mm by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2025-12-26T11:49:32.796776Z
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A thinker must have a thing to think about, an object. The most immediate thing God would have would be himself. By that very reflexive act, he objectified himself, materialized. Perhaps that initial move was more an accident than an intent.
(DIR) Post #B1dhwW7B8h9VLnIkbo by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T11:51:05Z
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@DrFell @toiletpaper @porkcow Honestly, I'd like to gain deeper insight that would help me make the world I'm presently in better than it is, and I believe the best hope of accomplishing that is to be open to all ideas.
(DIR) Post #B1diAyxGi1CsqoZ0CG by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T11:53:53.321598Z
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@Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow If you give that idea a bit of thought, it's essentially saying that "God" is an inanimate object without consciousness. I think there's an important insight there which essentially debunks the idea of monotheism. The One, or God, if imagined to be a complete undifferentiated unity, must necessarily lack consciousness.This is because the precondition for consciousness is at least the apparent difference between observer and observed. Consciousness itself is an interplay between comparison and choice (of the observer) in respect to difference and similarity (of the observed). None of those 4 principals (difference, similarity, comparison, and choice) can exist independent of the other 3. As such without that differentiation (ie. duality) no consciousness is possible whatsoever.So, you might be right to say that the BuyBull concept of "the fall" is because of consciousness, but I think in the same breath you've essentially contradicted the idea that God is conscious, much less all-knowing, all-seeing, all-whatever. Such a God is just a senseless inanimate object without purpose or utility whatsoever.
(DIR) Post #B1diQQKPDbLa5hkUcq by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T11:56:40.838361Z
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@DrFell @porkcow Kabbalism is a medieval invention. The traditions it stems from (eg. Merkabah mysticism, Isopsephy, etc) are more ancient and evident in the BuyBull, but modern Kabbalah is really more of an attempt to backwards rationalise the text using gematria to support the concocted modern mystical speculations popular among Hasidim.
(DIR) Post #B1diosTiCzZWLZlKbY by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T12:01:06.005001Z
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@Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow What was the cause of that initial move? When you keep putting these ideas feet to the fire, it's either turtles all the way down, and/or the whole thing falls apart because it makes no logical sense. In my view the necessary prerequisite for "one" to exist is "many". It is only because of the many, because of differentiation, that one even has context as a relevant idea.
(DIR) Post #B1dixXA6pZy2qHil6W by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-26T12:02:39.776688Z
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@Humpleupagus @DrFell @nanook @porkcow @toiletpaper This is a reasonable supposition, in the shadow of Trinitarian teaching. In Traditional Christianity, there was never a time when the Son of God was Not - which is also true of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, as God is and has always been tripersonal, thereâd never arisen any âneedâ for accidental self-objectification.
(DIR) Post #B1dizaZL8QbvzJVCYy by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T12:02:51Z
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@SiRrogueKnight @DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper I have no argument with that view at all. I know the popular view of God is either an old man with white robes and a long beard or a younger hippie white dude, neither of which make sense to me, in fact the idea of sexuality in a God makes little sense to me, why would a being that has existed forever and will exist forever have a need for reproductive hardware? So I don't know what God is, but I consider possibilities like the sum of all consciousness and we as something like rain drops that separate from the ocean of consciousness, go out learn, live out our lives, and then return to the ocean and bring that experience with us. But really I don't have a solid model, I do believe that whatever God is, God is loving because clearly God wants that of us. But I don't find any literally coherent mythology, I find nuggets of useful truths.
(DIR) Post #B1djEDiEOhe9RXdbqS by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T12:05:40.804723Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow > in the shadow of Trinitarian teachingWhich is essentially bastardised Platonism (eg. Timaeus, Critias, Phaedo .. and filtered through later thinkers such as Plotinus, etc).> there was never a time when the Son of God was Not If that can be true of the magical Jewish superman, why could it not be true of the universe itself? Why is it necessary to have a magical Jewish sky wizard involved?
(DIR) Post #B1djUHFyzGr94M575s by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-26T12:08:34.945558Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Yeah you got it precisely backwards, imo. But weâve already been over this.
(DIR) Post #B1dmeQz9yFqa05kPNg by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T12:43:51Z
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@SiRrogueKnight @DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper I agree, some people give it the label Karma, personally I don't think the label matters but I agree it's a real phenomena.
(DIR) Post #B1dmoV55b9MNbBJxFw by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T12:45:50.730296Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Well you can believe that if you like, but you're not arguing against me. You're arguing against the primary evidence and mainstream assessment of scholars on the topic.https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/trinity-history.html
(DIR) Post #B1doUhzq4NAnltYUaG by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-26T13:04:29Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow @KingOfWhiteAmerica I don't understand the trinity well enough to have a solid opinion on it, I understand the definition, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit or Ghost, but not what it means.
(DIR) Post #B1dp8lRgfHnw3IgIDY by DrFell@freeatlantis.com
2025-12-26T13:01:19Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @porkcow I always had a notion that the Jew Philos plagiarized Platos Tripartite and invented a version of Trinity.
(DIR) Post #B1dp8mYSXaodUarDPc by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T13:11:54.218703Z
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@DrFell @Humpleupagus @porkcow Yeah. All the Abrahamic superstitions depended on Platonism and Hermeticism especially (as well as Pythagoreanism, Stoicism, etc) to backwards rationalise a theology and morality onto their scriptures.https://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/rep/H003.htmhttps://annas-archive.org/md5/20515f20f9a3325b0d8e0a96d8846777
(DIR) Post #B1dwJqK1Zf8o2aKJv6 by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-26T14:32:21.727575Z
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@toiletpaper @DrFell @Humpleupagus @porkcow If âleading scholarsâ are what youâre basing your views on, Iâm even more confident in my own.Youâve got no better access to primary sources than I have; and theyâve led me to the same conclusion as most of the Ancient Greeks. But I suppose Iâm expected these days to trust the opinions of educated idiots millennia after the fact. Lol
(DIR) Post #B1dwug2clCKqs1kftg by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-26T14:39:01.193578Z
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@DrFell @toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @porkcow Could very well be; but whether he did or not has no bearing on the objective existence of the Trinitarian God. Iâve got my reasons for believing the Traditional Christian explanation is the best there is at describing said objective reality, and Philos or Plato have little to do with it - though I do acknowledge Plato was mostly correct about most things. Iâm fairly certain heâd have jumped at the chance to become a Christian.
(DIR) Post #B1dx46DSoQ0aelJZs8 by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-26T14:40:42.179807Z
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@nice-nigger @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper Thatâs very insightful, nigger.
(DIR) Post #B1dxbK34P9i774IMfg by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T14:46:43.581380Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Buddy, the early church fathers said so themselves verbatim. Scholars today are simply reporting the facts. There's really not much in the way of interpretation required.
(DIR) Post #B1dximgkJvxZxuPZei by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-26T14:48:04.450593Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Said what exactly ? That Traditional Christianity has a very great deal of overlap with Platonic Philosophy ? Yeah, no shit đ¤Ł
(DIR) Post #B1dzCpATlY9IIUCtBw by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T15:04:42.152350Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow It's no wonder given that most of the early Church fathers were Platonists in the first place. Anyway, you are clearly invested in disregarding all evidence to the contrary of your preconceived conclusion, so it seems rather pointless to try and talk sense with you.
(DIR) Post #B1e0MbXjNUrOtFJIFU by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-26T15:17:40.882119Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow It doesnât look to me like weâre disputing any of the existing data points - that they say what they say. Where we differ is apparently metaphysical. Weâve looked at the same sources, and interpreted them differently, just like any normal people would. My conclusions are evidently in line with most of the Greeks alive at the time; that Platonic Philosophy found its *completion* in Traditional Christianity. I donât personally think this is particularly outlandish, or borne of some stubborn refusal to âface factsâ; and Iâm not sure I understand why youâd try to frame it that way.
(DIR) Post #B1e2CcUzAZwMrnOPtQ by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T15:38:16.774832Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Okay. I can tentatively agree with that. The architects of Christinanity were definitely attempting to justify it as a legitimate religion rather than merely a superstition of the gullible, by trying to position it in the context of the prevailing Hellenic philosophical milieu. That's common knowledge.My point was that the vast majority of Christian theology is not evident from study of the BuyBull, but can only be justified in light of surrounding Pagan religions/philosophies such as Platonism, Hermeticism, Pythagoreanism, Stoicism, etc. Almost the entire corpus of terminology used to describe Christian doctrine (eg. the Trinity) is appropriated from those Pagan traditions rather than from the BuyBull itself which presents no comparable vocabulary nor imagery. The Pagan ideas predate the Christian, so there is a clear and undeniable genetic transfer from the one to the other. It's not rocket science.
(DIR) Post #B1e4vsjhqV4CAKzLlo by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-26T16:08:52.631375Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Yeah see, Iâve not been a Sola Scriptura protestant for over a decade, so itâs not really my jam to insist that all matters of The Faith and right Worship can be derived directly and explicity from Holy Scripture. Itâs been my understanding that nobody really bothered trying to prove such a thing until Martin Luther in the late Fifteenth / early Sixteenth Century - precisely to justify his own schism. At least Iâm not aware of any such attempt. That established, even the whole idea that Christianity had âarchitectsâ of the Faith, is ludicrous, in my eyes - as by this point I presuppose the Almighty God is this Architect. Also, that the notion my ancient ancestors were bullied and beaten into believing it, is insulting and dishonorable toward them. I wouldnât ever take that to heart, even simply for sake of their good name. Finally, that - given the Truth of Christian Faith and presuppositions, historical precedent, while useful, doesnât negate the Hand of God in human history; nor does it trump His agency. All truth is Godâs Truth; ancient Man strove for it many times, and The Lord honored that striving by granting them a measure of Truth. Therefore, whether or not pre-Christian Greeks articulated much of Trinitarian thought, does nothing to invalidate the Truth of the matter - and contrarily, rather testifies of its objectivity.
(DIR) Post #B1e8kEzffOzHXPA18i by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T16:51:35.117451Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow > the whole idea that Christianity had âarchitectsâ of the Faith, is ludicrousThat there were so many different schisms in Christinanity from it's inception to present, and the only way to maintain a dominant narrative was through both the arbitration of assemblies such as the councils of Nicea, and subsequently through violent persecution of dissenters, pretty clearly indicates that the Christian religion was curated by human stake-holders, and specifically those with the greatest capacity and willingness for violent coercion. I would say "architects" is a decent enough synonym, and one far more congenial than the actual process warrants. You can certainly make magical gestures and the incantation that "God made them do it", but there's far more objective evidence of the former than the latter causal factor.> I presuppose the Almighty God is this Architect.That's where we differ. Good faith doesn't begin with the conclusion and work backwards for justification. It starts with the evidence and allows the conclusion to follow from it. I have little issue with the use of fiction to romanticise the world, the human condition, and relationship with the unknown, but that's far different from refusing to distinguish between fantasy and reality from the outset.> the notion my ancient ancestors were bullied and beaten into believing it, is insulting and dishonorable toward themI don't know who your ancestors were apart from apparently having a melanin deficiency, but there were only a handful of places in Europe where Christinanity didn't become the dominant religion without at least experiencing decades of violent coercion and destruction of Pagan holy sites and priestly traditions. That pattern repeated itself consistently across continents for almost 2,000 years straight. In the handful of cases it was voluntary, it usually involved the elite members of society adopting Christinanity superficially in exchange for perceived economic advantage and to avoid attrition and embargo from their Christian neighbours.The most notable example of relatively peaceful transition was Iceland. In that case it was decided democratically at the Althing in 1000 CE on the basis of the Pagan GoĂ°orĂ° law system in order to prevent the inevitability of widespread violent conflict already brewing under the surface. In the vast majority of cases the matter was decided by violent conquest (eg. Charlemagne) and frequently involved the wholesale genocide or enslavement of dissenters. Yeah sure there have also been some gullible folks who fell for missionary work, but as the saying goes "there's a sucker born every minute". That's not unique to the modern day.> I wouldnât ever take that to heart,Similarly, Paganism continued to be practised privately and clandestinely (often in syncretic form) in many cases right into the present day all across Europe from east to west and north to south. Pagan practices are based in large part on self-evident truths of the natural world and human condition with just a superficial and allegorical top dressing of cultural fiction. Consequently many of those traditions are experiencing a revival and conscious/conscientious reinvention now that the coercive force has more or less relented (for now) thanks to widespread adoption of the post-enlightenment humanist values inspired by classical Pagan culture.
(DIR) Post #B1e8pjXRWu1XibZmz2 by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T16:52:33.612439Z
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@Xenophon Then you have no place in this discussion. Fuck off somewhere else with your retard bullshit.
(DIR) Post #B1e8z3Uai7BED8gfmi by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-26T16:54:14.356138Z
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@Xenophon Then you better get lost ya little bitch.
(DIR) Post #B1e9NNPmI7MCwu27e4 by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2025-12-26T16:58:36.262614Z
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I don't care what anyone thinks.
(DIR) Post #B1eSjOFfl42v2qW6qG by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-26T20:35:32.339033Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Again it boils down to the age-old question I canât ever get a straight answer to, from those outside; are Christians supposed to destroy their political enemies, or not ? Obviously, it makes no sense to actually take our cues from those outside - but itâs more a thought experiment than a real ask for advice. Perhaps more to the point - you donât honestly expect a Nation to take its political cues from foreigners, do you ? The real risk posed by Christian heresy (as contrasted with Traditional Orthodoxy) is divided loyalty. Rulers play a terribly dangerous game, using modded Christianity as a means of social control - which is the narrative assumption I see flying around in these sorts of interactions. If centralized power is the goal, it strikes me thereâd be safer ways to do it !
(DIR) Post #B1eXB7i7FdLdfUIi3c by pepsi_man@poa.st
2025-12-26T21:23:56.535653Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Guy who committs war crimes because a swarthoid got a little to close to the church's property line
(DIR) Post #B1eXYLD3EE7cC8qEYi by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-26T21:29:33.983684Z
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@pepsi_man @DrFell @Humpleupagus @porkcow @toiletpaper Tbh, I can attest I have a hard time reconciling the presupposition that an account has European-descended peoplesâ sincere best interests in mind, and refers to them as âmelanin-deficientâ. Who talks like that? Asatrus ? Maybe thatâs just me.
(DIR) Post #B1enWwlKEfRdLmEKIa by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T00:28:34.358803Z
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@Xenophon @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper This is abundantly obvious, to me. But it evidently blows a lot of peoplesâ minds, for whatever reason.
(DIR) Post #B1encp6rbIxJLz6fPE by ApocalyptoLatte1488@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-27T00:29:37.636583Z
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đŤĄ
(DIR) Post #B1eqlvvnuIw0yly99U by LivingSpaceStudios@poa.st
2025-12-27T01:04:55.206149Z
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@toiletpaper @Xenophon I can't believe this Pajeet is still here, LOL.
(DIR) Post #B1ev04D6K3QOWj3RSK by freemayonnaise@noauthority.social
2025-12-27T01:45:48Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Xenophon @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper toiletpaper is an angsty oversocialized academic clearly, nothing xir goes on about with respect to this topic is in good faithI've had it out with him on some adjacent topic somewhat recently and i'm surprised xir's pretending to be half-assed civilit's probably all some convoluted pilpul/self-loathing denial hamster wheel of shitposting against Christianity, dunno don't care
(DIR) Post #B1fDFgSCDNLMehiAdM by WilliamRockwell@poa.st
2025-12-27T05:13:08.407395Z
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@toiletpaper You are a faggot and a jew and you will end up in hell where you belong.
(DIR) Post #B1fX9VK0gkyTTZDHou by LivingSpaceStudios@poa.st
2025-12-27T08:59:38.334517Z
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@Xenophon @toiletpaper I remember the last couple threads I saw him in. He sounded very brown and gay.
(DIR) Post #B1fXNIkUEPBAXHB0IC by brimshae@poa.st
2025-12-27T09:02:01.438829Z
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@LivingSpaceStudios @Xenophon @toiletpaper So, some kind of dalit. Gotcha.
(DIR) Post #B1fXNJuRuqk68SqTSa by LivingSpaceStudios@poa.st
2025-12-27T09:02:16.504162Z
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@brimshae @Xenophon @toiletpaper https://shitposter.world/objects/024def1e-7743-4116-93...
(DIR) Post #B1fdOJWdQel2xVZ02C by WhitestTemplar@poa.st
2025-12-27T10:09:04.264997Z
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@LivingSpaceStudios @brimshae @Xenophon @toiletpaper Easy way to confirm his subhuman nature.
(DIR) Post #B1fkapK5jO4YjQbszA by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-27T11:30:23.273573Z
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@WilliamRockwell > you will end up in hellYou can't even imagine an afterlife that wasn't stolen from Pagans. Hell (concealed, covered) is a reference to the grave (ie. covered by dirt). You, me and everyone else who eventually dies will end up there. It's not because of your farcical (((pseudohistorical fantasy novel))). You call me a Jew, but you're the one who grovels at a magical super-Jew on a stick.
(DIR) Post #B1flJXmzlgGbNnS6t6 by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-27T11:38:28.438241Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow > are Christians supposed to destroy their political enemies, or not ?Just don't get indignant when the Golden Rule goes into effect.> The real risk posed by Christian heresy (as contrasted with Traditional Orthodoxy) is divided loyalty. Rulers play a terribly dangerous game, using modded Christianity as a means of social control - which is the narrative assumption I see flying around in these sorts of interactions. If centralized power is the goal, it strikes me thereâd be safer ways to do it!What you call "orthodox" Christianity is just as modded as anything else. The early Jesus movement was extremely diverse. The only way that orthodoxy could become the dominant paradigm was through violent conquest. It certainly was able to stand on the merit of it's own arguments without the use of force.
(DIR) Post #B1gaGOzn6LYCu4hFzM by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T21:09:21.948457Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow These are some of the cheesiest sorts of replies, both in particular and in general. The Ancient / Medieval World clearly didnât need to struggle so hard at understanding who Lord Jesus meant by âneighborâ and âenemiesâ. The Golden Rule obviously isnât talking about enemies at war; He obviously isnât intending soldiers to âdo unto others ⌠â to invading hordes. And thereâs a good eighteen-hundred yearsâ record or so of people that obviously understood this; if they hadnât, things would look/be much different than they are and have been. *eyeroll*
(DIR) Post #B1gajW3Pw9x1C1H8jo by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-27T21:14:37.529815Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow I wasn't talking about the medieval world, but about the present day. The Golden Rule isn't just a saccharine platitude from the BuyBull. Reciprocity is a natural law. It's only a matter of time before the way your ilk have treated others ends up coming back around and smashing you in the teeth like a steel bat, justly deserved.
(DIR) Post #B1gaoVLVzt1uRd7SLY by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-27T21:15:31.221957Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @DrFell @Humpleupagus @porkcow You won't be laughing when it happens.
(DIR) Post #B1gbBDScf1K9dPH0u8 by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T21:19:37.957337Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow So now youâre advocating collective punishment? Iâm going to get my teeth smashed in by what âmy ilkâ have done, is that it ?
(DIR) Post #B1gbgN78oq6MYG58eO by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T21:25:15.738801Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow When what happens, exactly ? Some angry pagan mob is going to come extract âjusticeâ from my dental work, for âwrongsâ that âmy ilkâ perpetrated over the last two millennia ? Is this correct ?
(DIR) Post #B1gbpcnprHifobSpFY by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-27T21:26:56.076037Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Just a couple posts back you were advocating that Christians should destroy their political enemies (ie. anyone who refuses to be forcibly converted to One-True-Way'ismÂŽ). You can whine about collective punishment til you're blue in the face, but you will reap what you've sown either way. It's natural law.In any case, Christinanity is an ideology. You can exempt yourself from that collective any time you decide to change your mind.
(DIR) Post #B1gcKEvweZxslNr6Om by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T21:32:28.156942Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow I think itâs quite obvious that Christians, even Orthodox ones, are subject to the same Natural Law as anyone else on earth. From what youâve said, it seems like youâre saying Christians alone are subject to it. Or is it that everyone but Christians get to destroy their political enemies ? This is what Iâm talking about - never a straight answer from you faggots đ
(DIR) Post #B1gco6CFhZqCLyilIe by Captain80s@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-27T21:36:41.400201Z
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Ask him what his faith is what it stands for and how often he worships. You will get dead air. They are just about being anti Christian there is nothing else. As he told me the last time he tried to engage me. >Im not very good at my own faithBut he knows what we should not believe lol.
(DIR) Post #B1gdXBHBf9Wp8fWfXE by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T21:46:00.369882Z
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@Captain80s @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper Itâs all the same with these geniuses; like that somehow, for 2000 years, Christians have been âallowedâ to loot, rape, pillage and murder with impunity - and weâre gonna get it âbackâ whatâs âcoming to usâ. By some weird sorcery I guess, weâve somehow been âsuspendingâ reciprocity and Natural Law like some cosmic rubber band about to âsnap backâ and hit us. I donât see things the same way, obviously; I think thatâs actually pretty retarded. Not Natural Law - I mean the weird Christian âSorceryâ bit.
(DIR) Post #B1gdqPheFSxbNv4dGq by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-27T21:49:28.837474Z
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@Captain80s @Humpleupagus @DrFell @KingOfWhiteAmerica @porkcow Matthew 7:6 ... Simple as.> what we should not believeDon't be retarded. But I guess that's asking too much of you.
(DIR) Post #B1ge8DezlIodFOK6PQ by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T21:52:42.140966Z
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@toiletpaper @Captain80s @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow > Matthew 7:6So what youâre saying is you donât publicly expound the content of your Faith to us âswineâ ?Why take cues from the Bible, at all ?
(DIR) Post #B1geM36bnh7OZCpkvo by Captain80s@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-27T21:54:02.480753Z
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Must be one of those Rev 3:9 baby dick sucking vampires.
(DIR) Post #B1geNcbTJ2RQx11H0K by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-27T21:55:29.321779Z
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@Captain80s @Humpleupagus @DrFell @KingOfWhiteAmerica @porkcow You're frankly too stupid to waste any more time on.
(DIR) Post #B1geVQpMyL8ukHFCrY by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T21:56:54.089134Z
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@Captain80s @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow @toiletpaper Iâve had my suspicions ⌠sincere pro-European-descended accâts havenât ever referred unironically to our âmelanin deficiencyâ, the whole time Iâve been on the scene. Itâs pretty weird ngl.
(DIR) Post #B1geYErVuqFIVJaNMW by toiletpaper@shitposter.world
2025-12-27T21:57:24.437032Z
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@KingOfWhiteAmerica @Humpleupagus @DrFell @Captain80s @porkcow > us âswineâ?If the shoe fits.> Why take cues from the BibleEven a broken clock is right twice a day. Besides which, I figure since you profess to swallow that all hook line and sinker, it might actually cause you to pay attention and get a clue.
(DIR) Post #B1geeDvwHVE9MTVeGe by Captain80s@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-27T21:57:55.175991Z
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Off you go then.
(DIR) Post #B1gerK2ksN9i4kwYcq by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T22:00:51.476734Z
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@toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @Captain80s @porkcow So youâre leaning back into your extensive exigetical experience, I see. Reminds me of Saul Alinsky more than anything else. Iâm curious to see what happens if I leave the dangling reference unfinished.
(DIR) Post #B1gfRnpraSsstoJCZk by Captain80s@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-27T21:58:28.795712Z
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Come on just tell us what your faith is.Is that so hard?
(DIR) Post #B1gfT72Pg83GkBnrsm by Captain80s@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-27T22:01:59.579297Z
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A clue to what? Your faith? What was that again?
(DIR) Post #B1ggCDsX5l4ozVgyIq by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T22:15:49.913435Z
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@Captain80s @toiletpaper @Humpleupagus @DrFell @porkcow Without anything positive to insert in place of the Ancient Faith, I cannot fathom what this guy expects. Assuming we abandon Christ Our Lord, what do *we* get out of the deal ?? Historically they at least say weâll obtain earthly power and endless infinite sex with an inexhaustible string of hot chicks. Whatâs the bait this time ??
(DIR) Post #B1ggSlil2CtAaJ0eVk by porkcow@shitposter.world
2025-12-27T22:18:49.774652Z
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@Captain80s @Humpleupagus @DrFell @KingOfWhiteAmerica @toiletpaper His religion is getting rammed probably, isn't that usually the thing? Yeah, he should get punished for all the collective gay crimes according to his own standard of justice
(DIR) Post #B1ghFyrmwpxnXphRfk by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-27T22:27:43.416755Z
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@porkcow @Captain80s @Humpleupagus @DrFell @toiletpaper Well and itâs like theyâre not even trying to incentivize it, anymore. I guess Faith has become so stunted these days, the Tempters may as well just stay home on permanent leave.
(DIR) Post #B1gn3hJYyndfMGDXG4 by alessmussolini88@poa.st
2025-12-27T23:32:44.025804Z
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@toiletpaper Gay as fuck, like you lol
(DIR) Post #B1gnCQCrxKjkuAFKQy by fknretardlol@decayable.ink
2025-12-27T23:34:18.117398Z
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dafuq you expect ? it likes being covered in shit ...
(DIR) Post #B1gnq6jBnSHM4mHsLQ by Goalkeeper@nicecrew.digital
2025-12-27T23:41:03.393469Z
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Curse Vishnu right now.
(DIR) Post #B1gply2GN9uFrpMXFw by GenMouton@clew.lol
2025-12-27T23:55:53.537218Z
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@toiletpaper
(DIR) Post #B1gsqZvpiUoOQBFGz2 by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2025-12-28T00:37:34.412054Z
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Hold up... where's he go to church? Asking for a friend.
(DIR) Post #B1gtKqhtuXwp8WA9MO by KingOfWhiteAmerica@poa.st
2025-12-28T00:43:03.810900Z
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@Humpleupagus @porkcow @DrFell @Captain80s @toiletpaper Do you even have to ask ? Sheesh. Episcopalian obviously.
(DIR) Post #B1gtZyGM6LG0uiUOeW by NotoriousDOG@eveningzoo.club
2025-12-28T00:45:45.446096Z
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They do love the âmiddle wayâ
(DIR) Post #B1hVPy6xbem7o2kho8 by nanook@friendica.eskimo.com
2025-12-28T07:49:44Z
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@toiletpaper @Xenophon This sort of abuse is uncalled for and will result in a ban from this site if it continues.