Post B1clYs2kACM94LFNfU by bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org
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 (DIR) Post #B1clYs2kACM94LFNfU by bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org
       2025-12-26T00:48:06Z
       
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       @babe This happens every year at this time. I think we have to admit that IRC must be left behind with the Internet that left port 25 open on every server to let anyone who'd like to send email, and where 'rsh' was the default.🪦 IRCCc: @rysiek
       
 (DIR) Post #B1clYtibw1RMGTqKZ6 by rysiek@mstdn.social
       2025-12-26T00:50:29Z
       
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       @bkuhn I will continue to believe IRC continues to have a future. In the meantime, #HugOps to all the IRC ops out there. This is not the time to be disparaging. @babe
       
 (DIR) Post #B1cmYY4kVE795vayhM by bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org
       2025-12-26T00:57:34Z
       
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       @rysiek @babe I apologize for my callous response.I want there to be freely available, low barrier, egalitarian, interactive real-time Internet chat systems.I remember Christmas-day-spamming of IRC going back to literally 1993.  It's been 33 years, so I feel like maybe the protocol is broken?I appreciate those dealing with it, but I do think we have to consider if it's time to unite behind another protocol? XMPP?
       
 (DIR) Post #B1cw4Fb9dSwSdswbeC by init6@mastodon.social
       2025-12-26T02:02:43Z
       
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       @bkuhn @babe @rysiek I don't get this take. The protocol has little to do with it. It's like saying time to kill http. No, big sites monetize their users, often in privacy invading ways, and can afford to pay for DDoS mitigation. It's a business expense. IRC networks have no such protection as they tend to rely on donated servers and networks. Nothing to do with the age of the protocol.
       
 (DIR) Post #B1cw4GbXtUqhlO8Qtc by bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org
       2025-12-26T02:26:17Z
       
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       @init6Ok, but we have given up on http and SMTP in favor of authenticated versions and encrypted versions.We just have to consider if a more distributed system like XMPP is more resilient.Like I said, 33 years of Christmas IRC attacks have left me in this spot. Sorry I couldn't make it to 34 years. @babe @rysiek
       
 (DIR) Post #B1cw4HVuVvw4aCVRke by init6@mastodon.social
       2025-12-26T02:41:43Z
       
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       @bkuhn @babe @rysiek there's TLS over IRC and it works great, encryption is hardly relevant to a discussion about ddos and mitigation though. If you want to be technical then SSL makes ddos worse because it uses even more server resources than plaintext. Also 25 is still open everywhere we just move to starttls. IRC is fine even without emojis
       
 (DIR) Post #B1d19iWU1NoxZMBYKu by kirby@freerobuxextremist.com
       2025-12-26T03:51:48.855181Z
       
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       @babe cc @sampler i think i have the answer to your question :-)