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(DIR) Post #B1Ezwr0M90v9tWfRvk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T13:45:11Z
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Why do schools have dances? Why do many high schools host parties, sometimes inter-school parties at the school?A school isn't just a machine that puts knowledge into people's brains, it's an organization of people. And those people will want to celebrate together from time to time. This WILL happen. "official" events can be more inclusive.But also for young people it's a part of social education, providing some baseline for how you interact with other people. 1/
(DIR) Post #B1F0C29Qz6JAoB9UDw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T13:47:55Z
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Schools dances, office holiday parties can be kind of corny and boring. So many people have input on what can and cannot be done that you might end up with a very limited and boring event. But, these things are still very important (the office parties less so, I think)-- they have an "educational purpose"And this is why schools need to come to grips with running social media intranets.2/
(DIR) Post #B1F0O6JvJF9BDJoQQC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T13:50:06Z
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Right now teens go off into the wild to find a place on social media and adults are rightly alarmed. Companies like Facebook, Instagram, X etc. have no interest in "modeling a healthy online environment" or "teaching young people to use social media constructively" -- instead everyone is acting like simply banning kids from using phone and scanning IDs will make social media go away. No one is asking or answering the question: how and when will young people learn to use social media.3/
(DIR) Post #B1F0ZQJ9Kve0OCqig4 by RogerBW@discordian.social
2025-12-14T13:52:05Z
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@futurebird Like bars, they will go in as complete innocents at age (whatever). Nothing can possibly go wrong with this plan.
(DIR) Post #B1F0hCAdmZEYrOZjKi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T13:53:33Z
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I think that schools should take on this role. You could have a server for a school with mastodon, but not connected to the rest of the fedi, you could network with similar schools. Just like at the school dance the teachers are around so there are limits to how it's used. Teens could post about their soccer games, advertise their clubs, make jokes, practice using the medium wisely. When teens post to social media they care about their friends at school seeing the post most. 4/
(DIR) Post #B1F0oKsBpEhJsSLkZs by gbsills@social.vivaldi.net
2025-12-14T13:54:47Z
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@futurebird This is a very good idea. I know that teachers and school administrators will likely recoil in horror with cries of "how will we police it!" but your point that kids face a participate in social media that have not standards instead on point. A school of 500 students or so could support an extra support person to monitor the interactions and keep things civil. I suspect that the result would be the benefits of social media with fewer of the down-sides.
(DIR) Post #B1F0vOqvQZwEFN7vPs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T13:56:06Z
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I've had people hear this idea scoff saying "teens will never use it" I don't think this is true. They ALL come to the dances, even though they are "so boring" -- and I think at some level they would feel better having a safer place to express themselves in photos, videos and writing for each other without every creep on the internet looking in on it. Will some teens still find internet "after parties" Yes. But right now we are basically saying you can go to the afterparty or NOTHING. 5/5
(DIR) Post #B1F18Y26bg8kU3crUe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T13:58:29Z
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What is more true is the adults don't want to bother to set it up.Just like no one really wants to chaperone the dance. But we have figured out that NOT having the dance is worse.It will leave some kids locked out socially, others will create events that are too adult or unsafe. We need to show them how it could work. Part of the obstacle to doing this is how few *adults* know how to use social media in a constructive way. So maybe we all need lessons.
(DIR) Post #B1F1KtOuzFwCELBNlA by tkinias@hcommons.social
2025-12-14T14:00:34Z
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@futurebird OK, I don’t work with kids (I teach at a university), so I have no real expertise here—but this sounds *excellent* to me. Provide a well-moderated, nontoxic space, because if we don’t they’ll just go elsewhere and be less safe.
(DIR) Post #B1F1pLUt5eWs3aUoBU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T14:06:02Z
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@caffetino "But imagine the tech team and the moderation needed"They already use email, put up fliers, and do many things with communication that schools have ways to manage. "Moderation" starts in the classroom. My students know how I expect them to treat each other. If anything it would be easier than some of the "she said x" but I didn't HEAR her say it so it's harder to be fair I deal with already. But, mostly, the social media will just reflect the existing school culture.
(DIR) Post #B1F1pZBuB1fCWliqXY by CynthesisToday@sfba.social
2025-12-14T14:06:15Z
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@futurebird A friend had a very intelligent way of doing this, I thought:Starting with texting, he made clear (and followed through) that he would be able to see and review every text sent/received from first receipt of phone (end of elementary school) to age 16. Same with social media. They had a regular time to review and discuss.It also gave them a language and space to talk about pretty much any growing up topics, too.
(DIR) Post #B1F2331AanoSnZ84sC by grant_h@mastodon.social
2025-12-14T14:08:40Z
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@futurebird I actually tried this at the end of last year. Our student journalists, who have a (school hosted) blog, wanted an IG handle, which was a hard no. But I offered to setup a PixelFed instance, and figure out how to link that to AD, so every kid in the school would get a handle. They weren't interested. They wanted to be where everyone else is (IG) above all. I asked them who was going to start the "new thing" if not them, but they didn't want to put in the effort.
(DIR) Post #B1F23rhm8fbQ0BRoDw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T14:08:42Z
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@caffetino If your school culture is mostly right and you don't have many problems with bullying you won't see it in the online space. If there is a problem it seems like the problem needs to be addressed at the root. In the classroom and halls.
(DIR) Post #B1F2GzyEieQzOxPRtQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T14:11:13Z
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@grant_h When it's just one teacher saying "set up this thing" it just sounds like more work. You need to get the admins on board. Make it the place where the scores from the sports teams are announced, where the vote totals from the elections are posted, that is make it part of the school and they'll care about it. My students love the idea, it's the admins and other teachers who I can't get excited.
(DIR) Post #B1F2SkySIkliMk7Pwe by grant_h@mastodon.social
2025-12-14T14:10:27Z
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@futurebird To be fair, this was a less than averagely motivated cohort, which biased it. I will try again at some point.During covid, we set up (in house) Woocommerce sites so the matrics could do their fundraising bake sales, etc. Worked really well - but they had the motivation.
(DIR) Post #B1F2SmNJ5qF2i6kmJs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T14:13:18Z
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@grant_h That said? I feel like this is coming. It may take like a decade but schools will figure it out. The most ugly school social media problems happen when students have an "unofficial official" network and no one knows about it but some mean girls/guys.
(DIR) Post #B1F2TKvsbo6BtBBrvc by grant_h@mastodon.social
2025-12-14T14:13:24Z
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@futurebird Mmm. In this case, I am the admin, and have enough cred with management to swing it.They just had to post the content.
(DIR) Post #B1F2VNCv7cb3WW8Fyy by grant_h@mastodon.social
2025-12-14T14:13:45Z
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@futurebird Absolutely. We will make it work.
(DIR) Post #B1F2f4dH2PmSoI5I00 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T14:15:32Z
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@Wyatt_H_Knott Don't take blocking personally unless you were having a real conversation with the person and they felt the need to tell you why. I think some people block me because I "post too much" -- and you know? That is fine. Because I do.
(DIR) Post #B1F3Y3euMLejiY4EKm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T14:25:30Z
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As a teacher who is always looking out for kids who struggle with "socializing" the part about being shut out really bothers me. When I was in HS internet was a secret world for a few dozen nerdy kids who knew about it. Now it's more like the socially savvy kids figure it out, and even manage to use it rather responsibly, but the kids who are more like I was... they have no idea what's going on or where to start and they are just left out. That sucks.
(DIR) Post #B1F3bGQbL9SEBnu7A8 by Anomnomnomaly@beige.party
2025-12-14T14:26:04Z
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@futurebird In my 20's I worked as Youth Worker, Social Worker and managed several children's centres.The social education of young people was at the core of everything we did. It worked, so much that I did on occasion run into some of those young people as adults and not only did they remember me... but did so fondly, recounting some of the great memories they had where I worked.I had a rule where, I wouldn't let kids win a basic games just for the sake of them winning. I challenged them to do better, to think ahead, plan ahead... I wasn't mean or condescending and I would often give ample opportunity for them to see the errors they were about to make... I never gloated, I always congratulated them on a good game.One of the best memories I have is playing a simple game of Connect 4 with one of the kids... He'd been coming to the after school and holiday clubs for several years. He loved connect 4... but could never beat me... Until he did... at the age of about 10yrs old and after several years of trying.The look of sheer joy on his face is one I will never forget... talk about a core memory... for both of us. He was celebrating his victory, not in a mocking or condescending way... just pure joy at his achievement beating a far better player.He was telling everyone, he was the first kid to beat me. When his mum arrived to pick him up it was the first thing he ran up to tell her... and he was giddy with joy.I ran into him about 15yrs later by chance... When we realised who he was... guess what his first memory of our interactions was... He still beamed with joy recall his win.I'm a great believer in social education, and I miss those roles I had, helping to shape young minds... But the money was garbage and I didn't want to live in poverty forever... so as I approached 30, I went and got a better paid boring office job for the next 25yrs.
(DIR) Post #B1F3mvS19tBIbZ7xFQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T14:28:12Z
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I mean the "secret club for nerds" was not great either but at least it wasn't concentrating social power in the hands of the already socially skilled and powerful. But, that's what's going on now. Your shy socially awkward kid may at best find some kindred souls online, but at worst?A chatbot may fill their head with nonsense or they will get preyed on by internet creeps. And the later was already happening when I was young. A school should at least set one good example.
(DIR) Post #B1F3z1Kr6d5aKXXpD6 by temptoetiam@eldritch.cafe
2025-12-14T14:30:21Z
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@futurebird most European countries don't do it, afaik.A party for all the families with games and cake in primary school, with maybe a school play.Nothing beyond "bring cake to the last period of the semester/year" if the teacher is cool with it after that.I don't think I would have gone to a school ball voluntarily.
(DIR) Post #B1F4BZoAlKoWilFDv6 by sepdroid@androiddev.social
2025-12-14T14:32:36Z
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@futurebird When I was in high school, it was a nerdy high school so we had several people running their own Linux servers. On the Linux servers, we were writing interactive fiction on one particular BBS board. I kept inserting a particular boyfriend who did not want to be in the fiction, and he would immediately add the next chapter to the story killing his own character off because he did not want to be in the story. There was one student who posted "I am bisexual" to all the boards.
(DIR) Post #B1F4E828U7rdRozbcW by Sharksonaplane@mastodon.sandwich.net
2025-12-14T14:33:05Z
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@futurebird This is somewhere I really think what they're doing at the Bonfire project could really shine! Especially since there's account data migration so after they leave they still get to bring their memories with them. (preemptive link for anyone who happens across this who doesn't know: https://bonfirenetworks.org/app/social/ )
(DIR) Post #B1F4lz36OYpHQeaW2a by thecrushedviolet@mstdn.games
2025-12-14T14:39:11Z
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@futurebird For me, the Internet went from the only place I was comfortable in high school to just another social nightmare in the last 10 years. I have wondered what it's like for kids today. It doesn't seem like there's any niche place to express themselves without the threat of bullying at all.
(DIR) Post #B1F53b2UOzBQAyhRh2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T14:42:24Z
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@thecrushedviolet They have carved out little spaces on tumblr and instagram. But they also use discord and things like that a lot. Discord kind of scares me because who knows what's going on in there? I hope that the older students take to heart our lessons about setting boundaries and asking for help. But this isn't a new problem, it's always been part of growing up.
(DIR) Post #B1F5HFUlIaTdPeQyDQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T14:44:53Z
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Darkly? I think the big social media companies do not really want young people to be "empowered digital citizens" or "people who can set boundaries, and make wise choices about the online spaces they participate in"They want them to be like many adults, kind of helpless and unable to look away from a kind of social media that makes their mental health worse while wasting their time and selling them garbage.
(DIR) Post #B1F5Vkxv5cyF4PzRya by ColesStreetPothole@weatherishappening.network
2025-12-14T14:47:24Z
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@futurebird I wonder if there is a school/district that could run a pilot project of such a thing? And then once they land on best practices, push to have it replicated elsewhere? It would need to have some sort of star power to attract kids away from what they already have at their fingertips.
(DIR) Post #B1F7YML1JIBfT0AECG by LinuxAndYarn@mastodon.social
2025-12-14T15:10:20Z
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@futurebird My high school had a BBS that was run by students who had already been on other BBSes, with a faculty advisor, but became a lot of people's first experience online. We put it together with an Apple ][ and a 10MB Sider drive that lived in a locked carrel in the gifted room.
(DIR) Post #B1F7mxUXyEXikca7Bw by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-12-14T15:12:58Z
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@futurebird nevermind adults not knowing how to use social media, most people don't know how to set up and manage a server of any kind. i don't know what teachers and school kids know about computers and how to connect them these days, but in my days in public school, the kids barely knew what a floppy disc is, and the teachers were afraid of computers. they wouldn't let you plug in a keyboard that became disconnected, they would insist on calling a technician, and no one actually had that role as far as i could tell. they had been maybe trained on how to do various software tasks but if something wasn't working they were absolutely lost. they were definitely not going to be teaching us anything they didn't know, and they weren't going to suggest a project where we all learn together because that would break the student-teacher hierarchy. many of the teachers in my high school were not at all secure in their ability to teach the subjects they taught. in my later years, i met someone outside of school who was a math major, and who ended being a TA for one of the math teachers at my school. no joke, he told me that the teacher he was assigned to told him to "do the homework to make sure you know how to do it". a high school math teacher said that to a person with a degree in math. we also had gym teachers teaching English, and other weird misassignments of skill and knowledge.
(DIR) Post #B1F8xGDBKDN9exw31M by Sassinake@mastodon.social
2025-12-14T15:26:02Z
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@futurebird just had a flash that 'I am addicted to the internet'.but it will pass, let me just scrol
(DIR) Post #B1FAE6TUsamsL3A64m by thesquirrelfish@sfba.social
2025-12-14T15:35:54Z
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@Wyatt_H_Knott @futurebird actually to this point, in the early 00s I got blocked on livejournal by one of my favorite authors and it was actually one of the best things they could have done.I made some dismissive backhanded compliment because I didn't respect genre writing, and she was having none of that. When the people you're interacting with have meaning to you beyond the Internet I think it's very good for building better social media skills.
(DIR) Post #B1FAPuKbr0cU9SdKqm by zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
2025-12-14T15:24:35Z
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@futurebird What does 'School' means?
(DIR) Post #B1FAPvkAbSeyX1bGKW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T15:42:24Z
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@zer0unplanned Just a school? In this case "High School" the last four years before a kid will graduate and maybe go to college or start a job.So school for kids age 14-18 years old?I don't know if I understood your question.
(DIR) Post #B1FAXwV7fgvrCHNlNQ by sean@mastodon.me.uk
2025-12-14T15:43:52Z
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@futurebird during lockdown I reached out to school to see if I could help with IT They didn't take up my offer - but what I learned through the process is that schools have less than minimal IT support , there is no IT manager, in house support person, purchasing officer - nothing.Schools and Youth groups need better funding, till then kids are at the mercy of the evil corporations
(DIR) Post #B1FAdm1XXQMYRMKFWa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T15:44:53Z
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@faithisleaping I think that adults don't do anything about the bullying and have not created any way for students to say it is happening is the real failure. And if kids want to use the wider internet they still can. I just think what we have now is by default exclusionary since only those kids with parents who help them use the internet, or those with parents who don't care know what's going on at all.
(DIR) Post #B1FAvyu8O4GrbKXmE4 by Canageek@wandering.shop
2025-12-14T15:48:12Z
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@futurebird This is a really excellent point, I've recently been exposed to how a lot of men talk about gacha game characters, and their lack of understanding of basic human interactions is really disturbing
(DIR) Post #B1FAxcXeVAtUp8oGLQ by billseitz@toolsforthought.social
2025-12-14T15:48:30Z
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@futurebird who's going to moderate?
(DIR) Post #B1FAyuuRhGf4505aym by lizzard@mastodon.social
2025-12-14T15:48:46Z
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@futurebird this is such a good idea, and would take actual attention and time !
(DIR) Post #B1FB4BO9r48EdYUvYG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T15:49:44Z
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@billseitz Teachers, as we always do for any school activity. Same rules. But there could also be some work for student government. (we have student government make the dress code and this works well)
(DIR) Post #B1FBDWgG3rdrHMQ3eK by trochee@dair-community.social
2025-12-14T15:51:25Z
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@futurebird OMG I have a 13 yo now and he's a great kid and he loves his school and communityIt would be so great for him and his friends to have a loosely supervised social media account run through his moderately sized school (200 5th-8th graders)
(DIR) Post #B1FBj6nNpwkcGSoOau by ThreeSigma@mastodon.online
2025-12-14T15:57:06Z
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@futurebird I actually ... don't hate this. Supervision (i.e. moderation) is an issue, but assumably could be done similarly to sports or clubs (putting yet more burden on overworked teachers, but that's another issue.(But also too: school dances and sporting events and yearbooks all had the express purpose of showing me just how excluded I was from the community. Same will happen with this.)
(DIR) Post #B1FBzQCVSMZ759LEcC by gothgardener@mstdn.social
2025-12-14T16:00:02Z
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@futurebird So I am old enough that when I was in undergrad, my college ran MUSIC (McGill University System for Interactive Computing) - which functioned as a local social media with chat, bulletin board, and messaging. It was awesome, and I made lifelong friends through it. We even had a MUSIC group dance!
(DIR) Post #B1FC5Fr4pmWAjW6ETI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:01:09Z
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@ThreeSigma (But also too: school dances and sporting events and yearbooks all had the express purpose of showing me just how excluded I was from the community. Same will happen with this.)That's how I felt about them too. I didn't attend my school's prom, for example. But I think I would have liked it even less if it was one of those events I wasn't even invited to. (which also existed and only looking back can I see how obnoxious it was that the kids who went had to let me know)
(DIR) Post #B1FCLz56S4u9dJdZo0 by ThreeSigma@mastodon.online
2025-12-14T16:04:09Z
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@futurebird Let me validate your choice: I went and really really wish I hadn't.But yeah, your point is taken. And sometimes there's a quiet kid who can write like an angel and has the most interesting thoughts. Maybe they'd share.
(DIR) Post #B1FCOozWQH15CyNbXc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:04:41Z
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@ThreeSigma There was this 1950 style soda fountain where I grew up and it was a big deal to go there for milkshakes on friday's The entire class except for me and the other two unpopular girls would go. Very obnoxious. Though that was middle school.
(DIR) Post #B1FCjzKpA1cjMyR8tc by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2025-12-14T16:06:34Z
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@futurebird Coming from France where schools don’t have a mandatory auditorium nor graduation dances, this reads like a very American cultural exception. As a result, the education argument doesn’t really stick with me.
(DIR) Post #B1FCk0Z2aeadBM60h6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:08:07Z
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@hypolite How do French teens have social events? Clubs? Church? Just small things with friends?
(DIR) Post #B1FCwlid61G4u9fKxU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:10:49Z
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@dalias Oh that gets in the mix too. But not in the NYC city schools. They don't really do much "romantic" dancing. They just eat all the snacks and argue about what music to play then dance in a circle. Which is fine.
(DIR) Post #B1FD1jGFf3ZCjKl1UG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:11:43Z
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@dalias I guess it will vary by school. Obviously.
(DIR) Post #B1FDJqcP2tYKlEl4QS by pteryx@dice.camp
2025-12-14T16:14:58Z
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@futurebird @faithisleapingBeyond just not doing anything about bullies, the school system I went to treated *me* as the problem for 1) *being* bullied, 2) honestly expecting teachers to do their alleged job in stopping bullies, and 3) just generally not fitting in (*especially* because "fitting in" is what girls are "supposed to be" good at).I half-wonder if some faculty secretly thinks bullying is a *good* thing that punishes misfits for them.
(DIR) Post #B1FDL0XbdgUrpD4Fwe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:15:13Z
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@dalias There are always a few gay prom dates, but also sometimes friends will go together and it's not romantic. There are also lots of girls and guys who will go to prom together and that's common but not mandatory. The seniors are mostly interested in getting very cute photos with the backdrops they spend WAY TOO MUCH TIME making and they make a huge mess. Anyway.
(DIR) Post #B1FDYtUAfSL9zt5Acy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:17:43Z
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@pteryx @faithisleaping "I half-wonder if some faculty secretly thinks bullying is a *good* thing that punishes misfits for them."There are adults who think this. They are real and they are incorrect. No, I can't make an outcast kid feel like they are a part of the class 100 percent. But, I can make them feel like they are just as valued as everyone else and deserve to be treated with respect. Teens don't like it when you point out they are being a jerk. They will stop, or tone it down.
(DIR) Post #B1FDfqcDjls77fABVo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:18:58Z
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@pteryx @faithisleaping In fact, I've seen some pretty dramatic changes just from pointing out that "no one wants to be treated like that" and "you are being mean."It's your job if you are the adult.
(DIR) Post #B1FE4djokiCuQJXSF6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:23:26Z
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@pomegranate_stew Yeah I never got that. The kids at the school where I work don't like loud music but it's a very nerdy school. I think someone people like it for some reason, though. Extroverts need to be studied.
(DIR) Post #B1FELyg69QyiI54AC0 by pteryx@dice.camp
2025-12-14T16:26:34Z
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@futurebird @faithisleapingI'm pretty sure the majority of my own bullies knew damned well that they were being mean and no one would want to be treated the way I was; beyond merely not caring, they actively wanted to harm me specifically. There *was*, however, a minority who didn't actually *want* to bully me and was peer-pressured into it.
(DIR) Post #B1FEXp4FhyQfxY0okK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:28:43Z
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@pteryx @faithisleaping Oh the kids I've spoken to know what they are doing too. They do not like having it pointed out by an adult. That the adults didn't do anything or acted they they couldn't is a failure on their part. Kids will be mean on purpose because it can feel grown up and powerful. They see it in media, or they know an adult like that. But when another adult isn't impressed it's not so mature and worldly seeming anymore.
(DIR) Post #B1FEyK7wqscxonNT72 by pteryx@dice.camp
2025-12-14T16:33:29Z
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@futurebird @faithisleapingAt first, the teachers *did* scold the bullies... and that didn't work, which meant that the teachers got frustrated with my continuing to ask them to perform a futile task, which quite frankly had a lot to do with them starting to treat me as the problem for expecting them to do their jobs.
(DIR) Post #B1FF8Tb6Uqgq5Mr8Ns by rk@mastodon.well.com
2025-12-14T16:35:10Z
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@futurebird @pteryx @faithisleaping I had a teacher in high school ask the whole class at the beginning of the period to pray for me since I hadn’t let Jesus into my heart. Good times.
(DIR) Post #B1FFHSUHzbCNFWx3aq by sinvega@mas.to
2025-12-14T16:36:56Z
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@futurebird @pteryx @faithisleaping I've done this with strangers on the bus once, they'd been dumping on the one girl in the group for far too long and I just snapped at themthey got a BIT defensive but in a self-soothing way, and they did lay off her. Sure, teenagers often won't admit it when they realise they were being a dick. But they tend to reel it in, yeah
(DIR) Post #B1FFjcIz5Hb9o55gNU by Hippasus500@federate.social
2025-12-14T16:42:02Z
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@futurebird This is a wonderful idea, except for the “not connected” part.Many secondary schools have introductory computer science programs. Students could gain practical experience in sysadministration, gain valuable experience in moderation and social responsibility, serve the schools wider community, and popularize the model of a federated social media.A lot ^could^ go wrong, I know. But if we wish to have an educated citizenry, this would be a way.
(DIR) Post #B1FGnkXyU1jmTrdXxw by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2025-12-14T16:51:03Z
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@futurebird Very few school clubs, and not before high school. Socialization would have been either hanging informally at someone’s place or outside, or extracurricular activities, although with an 8-hour long school day, it has to be evenings or week-ends.
(DIR) Post #B1FGnm6kgD9NK0upoO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T16:53:52Z
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@hypolite I'm trying to think if there is something other than the school that could provide some pretext of "neutral ground" to serve as the place for youth social media... though I don't know much about France so it is kind of beyond me. In the US schools take on a LOT of this role as it is. If it's not the schools it's the church... (I would take the schools...)
(DIR) Post #B1FHXYAQqKNrPGSqYq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T17:02:17Z
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@rk @pteryx @faithisleaping That is wild. And by wild I mean wrong.I'm assuming this was all sincere?
(DIR) Post #B1FHaxPHSYdMYQ2BV2 by biobaum@bildung.social
2025-12-14T17:02:51Z
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Das klingt nach einer so vielversprechenden Idee, um Kinder und Jugendliche den Umgang mit Social Media unter geschützten Bedingungen lernen zu lassen, dass das womöglich im #FediLZ schon jemand ausprobiert hat.Gibt es Erfahrungen oder Gründe die gegen einen schulinternen Mastodon-Server sprechen?
(DIR) Post #B1FI44rMpQbG4E3bNI by fishter_uk@mastodon.scot
2025-12-14T17:08:08Z
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@futurebird My kids school has basically sent out a warning to parents about the WhatsApp groups that each year group has set up. There is no adult involved. Kids are admins of these groups. The warning is also for the kids - administering a group comes with responsibility. They are 11, 12 13 yrs old.A mastodon instance per year group could be a nice alternative. But they already have a school provided "social media" which is strictly moderated - maybe too strictly.
(DIR) Post #B1FIa8HddPFrx6d8gi by DanielMReck@mas.to
2025-12-14T17:13:54Z
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@futurebird This is a fascinating idea and you've used an excellent social education metaphor in the school dance.The great roadblock I anticipate would need to be overcome would be the legal liability, followed by the political and moral panic.I was about to say no one freaks out about teaching math—but yeah, they do. Folks definitely freak out *more* when educators teach social skills or anything bordering on someone's idea of morality. This'd allow students to express themselves. Oh no!
(DIR) Post #B1FJt0ufMVhkY7S6dc by dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-12-14T17:28:31Z
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@futurebirdMy impression is that Bonfire would be a great way to go, and that remaining federated would be OK if the moderation team was good.I'd love to do this for Pasadena unified, and I think I could probably partner with Pasadena education foundation to do it not as a school thing but as a foundation thing the school could promote. moderation could be teachers and parents like PTA members... maybe I'll look into this in the new year? it goes along with the library stuff ive been doing...
(DIR) Post #B1FJwfGRnFPeZ7Ngxs by pteryx@dice.camp
2025-12-14T17:29:13Z
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@futurebird @thecrushedvioletAt least you recognize bullying as a serious problem at all.As for learning about setting boundaries and asking for help... quite frankly, the lesson I took away from how the faculty treated me at school is that authority figures will do anything, *ANYTHING*, to minimize their own workload, and therefore asking appointed or self-selected authority figures for help is not just futile, but potentially counterproductive as they turn on you.
(DIR) Post #B1FK4HinD0XZriGzg0 by rk@mastodon.well.com
2025-12-14T17:30:35Z
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@futurebird @pteryx @faithisleaping Small town Texas in 1995 or 1996. Good times.
(DIR) Post #B1FLTCdpKjcNIsOccK by OrionKidder@mas.to
2025-12-14T17:46:18Z
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@futurebird Of course. The predictable outcome of capitalist incentive structure is to try to construct a consumer who can't refuse the product.
(DIR) Post #B1FLsWYSQuBoIrxVDc by pteryx@dice.camp
2025-12-14T17:50:53Z
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@futurebirdAs skeptical as I may be of this working out in a way that would actually be respectful of children, I do see one singular potential upside: I imagine that a school-run Mastodon instance would not allow kids to actively make accounts, but would instead assign accounts to kids which they cannot delete. Therefore, blocks would actually work because the usual evasion tactics would be impossible.
(DIR) Post #B1FNwfHq6qg0S4HurI by esnyder@mastodon.social
2025-12-14T18:13:58Z
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@futurebird I love your presence on here, and believe 💯 that you are a force for good in your students' lives. But my experience of school and school mediated (as in by faculty/administration) social events was definitely closer to faithisleaping and pteryx's descriptions than the positive "safety net included" version of the real world equivalents.
(DIR) Post #B1FOQVeUUm27G3780e by ELS@sfba.social
2025-12-14T18:19:26Z
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@futurebird This is a great idea, but in the US, schools will be unwilling/unable to take on the legal responsibility/liability for such a structure.
(DIR) Post #B1FP2g3SGbq0WczTP6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T18:26:21Z
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@ELS Schools have email and this isn't an issue? What new liabilities would be raised?
(DIR) Post #B1FPBwQKmDCRto6qky by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T18:28:01Z
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@DanielMReck I would think hosting dances would have a lot more "liabilities"
(DIR) Post #B1FR0pjpUcTft43kLg by ELS@sfba.social
2025-12-14T18:48:24Z
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@futurebird I’m imagining that school email is not anonymous and I guess you’re imagining something more benign than current “wild” social media, where people feel that they can hide behind anonymity of a handle. If everyone were identified and there was true investment in moderating the network, it might work pretty well.
(DIR) Post #B1FRUvuJ7ZbThvJSkK by pteryx@dice.camp
2025-12-14T18:53:50Z
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@futurebird @zer0unplannedIt's possible that the disconnect is not taking for granted (or perhaps even grasping) the concept of a large, organized school. There are cultures that *don't* herd all their children into big, compulsory educational institutions together.
(DIR) Post #B1FRiDSTB6wTuCcrku by suetanvil@freeradical.zone
2025-12-14T18:56:12Z
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@futurebird The most efficient way to do this is to have a centralized organization to do this. This shares the costs of IT across every school that needs it. A school would contract them out to set up an instance and provide mod privileges to the teachers willing to do this.The org could also do other cloud services (email, wiki, owncloud, etc) as an alternative to MS or Google.And then, SV capital could buy the org and sell students' data to advertisers
(DIR) Post #B1FRoj7AORx3p7lYdk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T18:57:26Z
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@ELS I don't really see the point of having an anonymous network inside of a school. Hadn't even thought of doing that.
(DIR) Post #B1FTGZ0Lfw5uWxPlK4 by ELS@sfba.social
2025-12-14T19:13:39Z
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@futurebird Is the in-school email network limited to inside school? We have a university email network (actually, it’s gmail, but with the school edu handle), and everyone has an identifiable name, but it connects to the wider web. One thing I think that’s been specific to social media is that accounts can be “anonymous.” So, when you described an in-house social media network, I didn’t think through the possibility that accounts would never be anonymous. Anonymous accounts make the admin more responsible because blame cannot be assigned to anonymous individuals.
(DIR) Post #B1FTe19rATdoVV2t0a by trachelipus@masto.ai
2025-12-14T19:17:52Z
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@futurebird @pteryx @faithisleaping I can say with 100% certainty my elementary school considered bullying to be a necessary social skill. It was like they were grooming us to work for or marry into the Ewing family.
(DIR) Post #B1FUpWMVamS2QN0pto by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T19:31:12Z
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@ELS School email is just regular email although out-of-school incoming mail is blocked by a whitelist that includes parents and a few others.No "anonymous" accounts is part of the "boring school party" aspect.
(DIR) Post #B1FWRxLlncpp5JYflw by cubeofcheese@mstdn.social
2025-12-14T19:49:18Z
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@futurebird I've been thinking about (and worked on) setting up a mastodon server for just my students to post and respond to each other about their projects. I really like the idea of teaching them how to use social media responsibly and respectfully. But it would just be on my webserver on the school wifi. Having one open to the whole school would be so much better.
(DIR) Post #B1FXZ9aemzmn1nW8Zs by dAlgorithm@mastodon.social
2025-12-14T20:01:49Z
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@futurebird Sound like critical thinking to me...but do schools now days teach critical thinking? 🤔
(DIR) Post #B1FcSWdVCr2aFOVUrA by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-12-14T20:56:45.124491Z
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@futurebird > They ALL come to the dancesI didn't. Most dances I absolutely refused to participate in, and the one or two that I didn't I mostly stayed on the bleachers away from everyone.
(DIR) Post #B1FcgZQ9eKtewDxdTc by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-12-14T20:59:17.314218Z
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@futurebird @Wyatt_H_Knott Not very good advice: unilaterally cutting all communication is a slight and there's no getting around that
(DIR) Post #B1FdH7Avd38Q3CGTLM by Tattie@eldritch.cafe
2025-12-14T21:05:47Z
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@futurebird I'm seeing people in this thread who were let down so badly by their schools, and the trauma caused by that abandonment, that betrayal, is still so very real and present. I feel that, as another person with lifelong cPTSD caused by emotional abuse in the school environment.(I refuse to even give it the respectable label of "bullying"-- it was calculated, intentional, repeated, emotional traumatisation.)But I want to "pay forwards" to you my thanks for standing up to abuse, for stopping it happening where you have power.Because throughout the hell that was secondary school, a tiny handful of teachers were willing and able to say "not in my classroom". I remember looking thru my diary and feeling the visceral relief that I had science that day, or English. For 55 blessed minutes, my nervous system could recover from the state of hypervigilance that I was spending every other hour of my day in.I am not exaggerating when I call those teachers lifesavers.@pteryx @faithisleaping
(DIR) Post #B1FeJ7W3QtkXdmfNAW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T21:17:24Z
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@jeffcliff I guess I'm an unlikely champion of the school dance considering I hated the whole concept as a kid, only went to one under duress (it was too loud) and never went again. I get a different perspective as a teacher and hope that we've encouraged something better than what I was exposed to when I was younger (which to be fair wasn't as bad as it could have been, even in 1997 I somehow was at a school that didn't mandate )That all of the students show up I take as a good sign.
(DIR) Post #B1FeOOqERdBgp3cbWC by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-12-14T21:18:24.741132Z
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@futurebird Of course, with the current ongoing pandemic there's no excuse for school dances these days at all.
(DIR) Post #B1FeZfVqnlDZiGShIO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T21:20:23Z
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@jeffcliff My mom and dad, experienced a very different kind of school dance in the 1960s. It was very focused on straight dating cosplay I guess?There were a billion rules about buying flowers for a girl and if you could pick her up in your horrible car.These things evolve. That said. I liked knowing I COULD go to the school dance and not going more than I'd like if all the parties were the kind where I wouldn't be invited.
(DIR) Post #B1FemugtgGsUYGwbzs by whybird@aus.social
2025-12-14T21:22:44Z
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@futurebird This is especially poignant with the just-started, boneheaded #SocialMediaBan here in #Australia. And there is nothing in the legislation that would stop it AFAIK, unless and until they were to try to add mastodon to the list of proscribed sites, and as it isn’t a site I don’t really see how that could even work. The rules are way too stupidly written to ban a federation protocol.
(DIR) Post #B1FfphGu85uvkug4gK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T21:34:29Z
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@whybird That policy sounds like the adults are just plugging their ears.
(DIR) Post #B1FgWzeRfbX9DAKm0W by dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-12-14T21:42:14Z
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@futurebird @whybird
(DIR) Post #B1FhDtSMZuOWRz8gTY by apophis@brain.worm.pink
2025-12-14T21:47:14.446091Z
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@futurebird @grant_h did the adults themselves express interest in using it, including using it themselves and not infrequently showing interesting things on it?and were things other than pixelfed considered? (i still do not see anything pixelfed can do that multiple other fedi platforms don't do better)
(DIR) Post #B1FhDunJbUkSbFwvlw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T21:50:02Z
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@apophis @grant_h I haven't gotten as far as talking about software yet. Thought I'm starting to think the way to sell them on this is to point out how much more elegant it would be than our current school electronic communication which is basically everyone spams everyone with email all the time. Every club, team, department, etc. is just posting stuff to these horrible listserves like it's usenet and there are no forums. Just one big forum. This would be a way to tame the chaos.
(DIR) Post #B1FhOWKgtMp7v1cMVc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T21:51:59Z
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@apophis @grant_h Today, on a sunday I have 130 school email notifications and all of them are from the listservs and I need to open most of them and look to see what it is. OK I'll open like half of them. But it's a mess. Nonetheless we are already a school where students and teachers do mass digital communication in the community all the time.
(DIR) Post #B1FjDaK1v3Vx0xDoi8 by stevewfolds@mastodon.world
2025-12-14T22:12:23Z
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@futurebird @jeffcliff@shitposter.world Ballroom dance was an extra in 1961, taught in the junior high school’s gym. A community center held “canteens” Saturday nights in Summer. Dancing cheek to cheek at 13.
(DIR) Post #B1FmTx3XSiWy1D0JSy by mizblueprint@mastodon.online
2025-12-14T22:48:57Z
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@futurebirdThank you for this thread. I was not bullied, unlike many respondents here. I was extremely involved in providing social life for classmates at school. I organized dances, sports appreciation events, parties, parades, May Day celebration, Homecoming, class day. I designed and provided sets for assemblies, parade floats, and choir performances. I enlisted an awesome team. We worked hard and had a lot of fun. I have used these skills my entire adult life.
(DIR) Post #B1Fmg7DXVaXn0ZTwjg by chicao@mastodon.social
2025-12-14T22:51:07Z
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@futurebird @liaamancio um novo uso pro fediverso
(DIR) Post #B1FmwpmRam2NqpmRyS by pejacoby@infosec.exchange
2025-12-14T22:54:12Z
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@futurebird so much THIS!*but* you have to get the ADULTS to not be the idiots in the room. 6 or 7 years ago our local charter school had a Facebook group, and the kids did NOT interact with it because there were one or two adults absolutely sucking ALL the oxygen out of the room with their bad takes and frankly 12-year-old behavior, modeling the worst of the worst to the student population.This was before the current-day miasma that is FB and others, sadly predictive of current state…
(DIR) Post #B1Fog1O7NjW2pxVrkm by DanielMReck@mas.to
2025-12-14T23:13:34Z
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@futurebird That's because you're sensible. Dances do not typically create a perfect digital record of everything that happens at them, and social media platforms typically do. That's great for people investigating actual wrongdoing, but it also makes a gold mine of innocent content to be used by profit-seeking lawyers and disingenuous adults to intimidate, harass, and legally destroy whatever school tried to implement such a platform.There's also those generally-ignored child privacy laws.
(DIR) Post #B1FpJamNjPSDtYjNdQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-14T23:20:44Z
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@DanielMReck The school email, gchat, google classroom and websites already do that.
(DIR) Post #B1FqtHnXseLfPArKs4 by bmoreinis@federated.press
2025-12-14T23:38:22Z
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@futurebird So much this. It turns my stomach to see Instagram as the medium of choice for my school. I have heard that the students spend little time on the feeds and go straight to the DMs but still … those feeds are cesspools! Still I wonder what it would take for our Hack Club to get IT’s blessing to fire up a Mastodon server, particularly since the students would graduate and have to maintain from elsewhere….they love Discord so more likely to use a Discord server.
(DIR) Post #B1FyStzIaFy3f8HqVM by DanielMReck@mas.to
2025-12-15T01:03:15Z
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@futurebird Good point.I may have made an incorrect assumption that you were proposing that a school homegrow or otherwise implement its own social media platform...like a Mastodon instance.The services you identified are all provided by third parties under contract with the school. That contract provides obligations for those parties to assure FERPA-protected and other private data is kept safe. This provides a certain indemnity under the reasonable actor standard. (At least where I work.)
(DIR) Post #B1FyqeNeGM58Cv04p6 by geolaw@aus.social
2025-12-15T01:07:32Z
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@futurebird Schools are already over-stretched and under resourced. We need a big boost in funding first.
(DIR) Post #B1GLjVh6SQHgBbfFo0 by zulkiers@woof.tech
2025-12-15T05:23:53Z
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@futurebird Not everyone.I never made it to a single dance. Not even prom.
(DIR) Post #B1GTMifQrCfTOVWgyW by grant_h@mastodon.social
2025-12-15T06:49:25Z
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@futurebird @apophis@brain.worm.pink communication in schools is a perennial nightmare. Our MIS handles most of the parent side stuff, and Google Classroom a lot of the rest. But I still have 40+ emails a day to process.Here (South Africa) there are a coue of dedicated school comms packages.Privacy is also a thing - parents with access to teachers private phone num ers is a big no at my school, which I appreciate. Also, email has an auditable trail, not something most social media platorms have.
(DIR) Post #B1Gpn6L9f7M9Kr1iU4 by bjoernstaerk@snabelen.no
2025-12-15T11:00:43Z
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@futurebird yes! i've been thinking a lot about a related question: now that more and more of our world is experienced through personal devices like smartphones and laptops, how do we gradually include children and youths in our adult world?for instance: growing up there were newspapers on the table every day, and LP's on the shelf. pieces of a larger shared reality it was possible to learn from. and then, of course, perhaps reject - but after at least exploring it for a bit.
(DIR) Post #B1GqccLGRLGLM7du5o by bjoernstaerk@snabelen.no
2025-12-15T11:04:21Z
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@futurebird our role as adults is to invite the kids into our world in a gentle way, show them around a bit, introduce them to our reality.and i think that takes more intentional effort now than it used to. because the effortless default now is just: hand them a device, let them figure it all out themselves from scratch. and then tell them off for making the wrong choice.
(DIR) Post #B1GqzC8w0rFulIdpFA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-15T11:14:10Z
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I want to thank some of you for your comments on this post that have made me realize a few things:1. When talking about "social media intranets for teens" I need to make it clear I'm NOT talking about anonymous networks. Just like with school email it's one account per person.2. I should probably define the difference between internet and intranet as well. 3. I'm going to hear "can't do it legal reasons*" over and over and should be ready with the big guns for THAT one.
(DIR) Post #B1GrGRsyjeGeVfPBvU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-15T11:17:15Z
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* It's something you pick up if you work in a big organization. Even the most innocent seeming ideas can be shot down for "legal reasons" --I think it can be very counterproductive to internalize this notion if you aren't a lawyer. Let the lawyers raise the "legal reasons" ... we don't live in some kind of paralyzed time when nothing can be done. If "field trips" didn't exist I'm certian the first person to propose them would hear "can't go on a trip for legal reasons"
(DIR) Post #B1GrThAlD7JbgZ2U7s by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-15T11:19:38Z
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And, using the field trip example again, there are legal implication to taking students on a trip. That's why we have permission slips. Legal reasons are surmountable if you are doing something reasonable. Don't abandon your idea before you even try it because thinking about the "legal implications" is complex. In the case of having a student intranet I think there are basically ZERO legal implications since everything the network would do already exists in a school.
(DIR) Post #B1GsF3q4ksspauww8u by beeftacos@famichiki.jp
2025-12-15T11:28:11Z
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@futurebird I know of some parents who have set up Minecraft servers for their kids (and all their friends) to play on. Seems like a good idea to me. The parents know absolutely every person who has an account on their Minecraft server.
(DIR) Post #B1GyJp0hujtemGZlFw by kechpaja@social.kechpaja.com
2025-12-15T12:36:17Z
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@futurebird If the students have school email addresses, it's hard to imagine an intranet social network creating additional legal implications.(And besides, if more than one school did it, they could pool resources to get an actual lawyer to look at what they were doing and ensure compliance with relevent liability standards.)
(DIR) Post #B1H40wdfvWVMeyBW0O by HappytoBe@mastodon.social
2025-12-15T13:40:08Z
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@futurebird A lawyer friend of mine once informed me that anyone, anywhere can sue you no matter how carefully you set up to avoid being sued or how diligently you avoid doing things for "legal reasons." He advised, instead, being consistent across policies, following the policies, and paying attention to guidelines provided by licensing organizations. Otherwise, get creative (his words, not mine).
(DIR) Post #B1H9fDJLrJ6piohQu0 by MichaelTBacon@social.coop
2025-12-15T14:43:20Z
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@futurebird The return of niche social media is something I keep both expecting and hoping for.
(DIR) Post #B1H9tm3HURnjWT7qim by aburtch@triangletoot.party
2025-12-15T14:46:03Z
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@futurebird There are examples of positive social media educational offerings out there. A friend of mine started https://thesocialinstitute.com/ and it’s been very successful.
(DIR) Post #B1HDxa0Ed7k37zlrSi by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-12-15T15:31:33Z
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@futurebird "legal implications" sounds like concern trolling tbh. especially coming from non-lawyers.
(DIR) Post #B1HFRDmBvqeYpqtsQq by sinvega@mas.to
2025-12-15T15:48:08Z
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@futurebird the engineer in rasselas saying "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must first be overcome"
(DIR) Post #B1HFUqFhKtLv2EQbWS by hoco@sfba.social
2025-12-15T15:48:47Z
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@futurebird In organizations I've worked in those words sometimes meant, "we don't have insurance for that."
(DIR) Post #B1HGNrUWQky0nyb6h6 by brad@1040ste.net
2025-12-15T15:58:29Z
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@futurebird In Ireland, the equivalent would be "insurance". It's the Great Irish Excuse for not doing something - "sure the insurance won't cover that"...
(DIR) Post #B1HNS5i6CplXk3uazw by kaleissin@wandering.shop
2025-12-15T17:17:55Z
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@futurebird @caffetino Moderation should be *taught*. Pro's, con's, spot the troll, spot the nazi
(DIR) Post #B1HmU2jSkMgtwHZqRk by zvavybir@social.zvavybir.eu
2025-12-15T18:54:09Z
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@futurebird Wow, this thread screams "Was never bullied" (of course I don't if you actually weren't, but it doesn't sound like it)… We must have had radically different experiences (although I don't know which direction is worse) if you really think "every creep on the internet looking in on it" is the main threat and not that the people you're forced on threat of state violence to spend 6+ hours with every day for years will make your life living hell when the way you "express yourself" strays even a bit out of societal norms.Also, if you're concerned with not excluding the socially awkward kid you'd have to disable the block feature, because otherwise they will just get blocked by most people except those "kindred spirits" you don't care about.
(DIR) Post #B1HmU3y29fwNllOznU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-15T21:58:22Z
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@zvavybir Are you saying it's better not to have such a network?You are very incorrect about my experience with bullying.
(DIR) Post #B1HmdLhdaH4fNiA2D2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-15T22:00:06Z
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@zvavybir I get into this a bit more in this part of the thread:https://sauropods.win/@futurebird/115718378677720137
(DIR) Post #B1HpDkpHqxL1dLE4LQ by zvavybir@social.zvavybir.eu
2025-12-15T22:29:04Z
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@futurebird I'm sorry that you were bullied.From an anti-bullying perspective, it might be not actively harmful to have such a network as long as it is not becoming (legally or de facto) mandatory. From a privacy perspective I have my doubts, although I would need to think more about it to say whether that would be a reason against it.¹ From a youth liberation perspective, I think kids are already surveilled and controlled by their parents and school enough, so I don't really jump in excitement at a new way to do such. Also I worry that such a network causes kids to join non-censored social media only later, hindering their ability to seek out (or chances to stumble upon) important information for them.Re your other reply: Thanks for the link, but I read the entire discussion your original post spawned (including your thread) before sending my first reply already, so that doesn't give any new arguments.(¹ What I can say though is that the idea of permission slips is (mostly) useless, in the same way how (nearly) noone actually doesn't get one for going on a school trip (and for those it's (I think at least, but I don't have data on that) just their parents being controlling, not actually for their safety.). After all, even I – Mr. So-Obsessed-With-Privacy-That-He-Gives-Himselfs-Two-Anxiety-Disorders (I wasn't out as genderfluid at the time, so therefore the misgendering) – did sign one for being able to use my arch-nemesis M365 in school.)
(DIR) Post #B1HtEaPWSlmDR7pL84 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-12-15T23:14:03Z
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@the5thColumnist @faithisleaping "zero tolerance" = "too lazy to figure out what the heck is really going on"I've been in a few cases where I didn't have enough information to say "who started it" and in those cases I'd tell the students this frankly, but making it clear that if I did know it would matter.
(DIR) Post #B1IldKl1C4TReY8BNY by DanielRThomas@social.coop
2025-12-16T09:23:33Z
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@futurebird I think it would even be possible to make graduation work fairly nicely, you can migrate your account out at graduation and keep your social links, but the posts stay at school.
(DIR) Post #B1KOSxD3ym2p60FZSa by masukomi@connectified.com
2025-12-17T04:13:23Z
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@futurebird I’m not sure if you’ve heard but those fields are *outside*!!! It’s scary out there. Ants might get you!😉