Post B18B9vymhOfYTdeWWm by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #B18B9hInGilIxLtn8K by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:26:53Z
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@Walrus @paninidcoach specifically mentioned thorium reactorsthere's also pebble bed reactors: passively safe. the entire workforce of a pebble bed reactor can just walk away and the thing will just slowly cool downour nuclear accidents are due to old tech: active safety, primitive. you had to have a human involved to keep things safe or all hell would break loose (and did)pebble bed reactor tech was pioneered by germanywhich abandoned it for cheap russian gashow did that work out?
(DIR) Post #B18B9jOtT0pVSqlgv2 by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:32:34Z
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@benroyce @Walrus @paninid The LCOE of nukes higher than solar and wind + battery, WAY higher than solar and and wind without battery, and you can get solar and wind built in 18 months, whereas there are literally no nuclear projects anywhere in the world, including in China, that are not shattering their schedules and budgets by 2x or more, when those schedulers are 10+ years and the budgets would've built a more than equivalent amount of solar.
(DIR) Post #B18B9kJG5RusHf8hm4 by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:34:51Z
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@qkslvrwolf @Walrus @paninidzero argumentand i do have a problem with coach pitting wind against nuclear in his memethe truth of course is we should be both. there are countries that can, and are, going all hydro/wind/solar. no need for nuclearbut that's not possible everywhereyou must include nuclear in your considerations. not because i love AI data centers, but out of simple basic needif you can go without nuclear: greatand if you can't?think of it as a last choice, a stopgap
(DIR) Post #B18B9kimYYKhYp55Ye by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:38:27Z
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@benroyce @Walrus @paninid I mean, I think that's really a false premise. Look at the fall of cost and the rise in total generation of wind and solar and batteries in the time frame it takes to build a single nuclear plant. And then, for your backup, there are a bunch of technologies that show more promise, can be more distributed (which is really important to prevent oligarch takeover), and even considering research timelines they'll STILL be more available than nukes.
(DIR) Post #B18B9l9iwNsquNgbYG by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:44:07Z
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@qkslvrwolf @Walrus @paninid yes, like germany did with russia's gasand then what happened?i said specifically that nuclear should be a last resort, a stopgapyou can't handle all demand (rational demand, not AI datacenters) without nuclear in the mix as we wean ourselves from fossil fuelsand then we can eventually wean ourselves off nuclear tooso i have zero argument with everything you're saying except one:stop with the absurd antipathy to nuclear. the new tech is far far safer
(DIR) Post #B18B9leZ5iYOS27Eci by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:48:55Z
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@benroyce @Walrus @paninid My problem with nukes isn't hte saftey.It's the expense, the time to build, and the centralization (read: targetification) of it.It's a big, slow, expensive target. And then when russia sabotages it because no one is willing to smack them for "hybrid warfare", you'll really be up shit crick.Edit: oh, also: nukes enrich oligarchs. You can't do "community nukes". Lol. You can't do "municipal nukes"
(DIR) Post #B18B9mEivHTeGB26z2 by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:54:39Z
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@qkslvrwolf @Walrus @paninid on the contrary, i noted how germany abandoned passively safe pebble bed reactor tech in order to enrich russia via gasa really bad bet. failed spectacularly*that* is the real problem. we're living in that problem, grimlyand it's all because of absurd irrational opposition to nuclearthat absurd opposition to nuclear, btw, was fueled (pun intended) domestically in germany by the hybrid warfare from russia you refer to
(DIR) Post #B18B9mQQDmpoqSVSDY by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:59:10Z
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@benroyce @Walrus @paninid That's historical though. I mean, what year did this happen? What was the LCOE of solar and wind at that point? What is it now?Like, black market solar in pakistan has more installed capacity than grid because it's so frickin cheap. They can't even track it anymore. Investing in nukes now when solar and wind and storage are already cheaper and are going to continue to fall is just a weird economic choice.
(DIR) Post #B18B9mvcLnmwPD6MqG by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T15:02:44Z
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@qkslvrwolf @Walrus @paninid it's not if you look at capacity neededthere are places in the world where the demand cannot be met 100% by solar/wind/geothermal/tidal/hydrothermal/etcor it can be, eventually, as infrastructure and tech improvesso nuclear would just be a stopgap, a fallbackas long as we get rid of fossil fuelshaving said all this, i see nuclear as a tiny piece of the piemy only problem here is with this "never nuclear" attitudei say "nuclear, as a last resort"
(DIR) Post #B18B9nFp8fx3PsYVKy by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T15:14:43Z
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@benroyce @Walrus @paninid Like, I see stopgaps as things that can be built quickly. So I don't see how a nuke is a stopgap when literally the foundations of what will be possible will have completely changed by the time a nuke will get built. That's not a stopgap.
(DIR) Post #B18B9nfLbmMsh2Ut7Y by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T15:19:49Z
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@qkslvrwolf @Walrus @paninid nuclear is a stopgap on the order of decadesif you can, for example, satisfy india's transition to renewables in 25 years without any need to use nuclear as a stopgap, we have no argumentbut i'd ask you to look at the capacity needs vs the availability of renewables at current tech and with sane infrastructure roll out and how quickly that can really be done
(DIR) Post #B18B9oGZNO8sYTuc8e by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:33:36Z
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@benroyce @Walrus @paninid And the LCOE of nukes doesn't really properly account for waste that has to be managed and guarded for a minimum of "only hundreds" of years for "new" thorium type shit, and forever for everything else.
(DIR) Post #B18B9oTKbwLnC3so1w by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T15:25:13Z
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@benroyce @Walrus @paninid Yeah, that's what I mean. That's an easy bet for me. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/installed-solar-pv-capacityRenewables will have no problem meeting all of India's needs in 25 years. Absolutely none. I'd even go further and bet you that if they invest purely in renewables, they can get to energy so cheap you can run expensive industrial processes on it when it goes negative. Bonus points: it'll improve their agricultural output too.
(DIR) Post #B18B9onBQ8EKBdAeyO by iwein@mas.to
2025-12-10T15:36:55Z
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@qkslvrwolfAgreed.@benroyce "there are places in the world where the demand cannot be met 100% by solar/wind/geothermal/tidal/hydrothermal/etc"That's nowhere in India.I think it's a safe bet to say that with current tech, building nuclear makes little sense, and by the time science has the blockers out we will have sodium storage and solar will be cheaper than nuclear by an order of magnitude at least.As a stopgap we should have built them in the ninetees—oh wait 😜@Walrus @paninid
(DIR) Post #B18B9pO3D3ik1yQ6RE by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T15:52:04Z
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@iwein @qkslvrwolf @Walrus @paninid don't argue with meargue with indiaand maybe they will agree with you. and if they do, i have no problem with it. i have no absurd attachment to nuclearmy point is to simply oppose this absurd antipathy to nucleari see renewables dominating, and nuclear in a small number of scenarios. and it's not a problem, at all
(DIR) Post #B18B9plRo4R5CXMmuG by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T15:56:47Z
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@benroyce @iwein @Walrus @paninid Since 2009, China as built 1 terawatt of solar. It has built 2 MW of thorium.That's 5 *orders of magnitude* more power, and it's been producing power the entire time, whereas the thorium only came online last year.
(DIR) Post #B18B9qGHxP6ckBnPyi by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:41:55Z
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@benroyce @Walrus @paninid Enhanced geothermal. Tidal/ocean/blah blah blah gravitational. The AI bubble is gonna pop within a couple of years, long before any nukes we build to sustain it come online. AND: if we build out true renewables (wind and solar and geothermal, NOT hydro in the form of dams), and get lots of energy that's free, there's a ton of industrial processes that become possible.
(DIR) Post #B18B9qIPpUo6qmn7IG by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T16:05:19Z
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@qkslvrwolf @iwein @Walrus @paninid zero argumentand when demand peaks for some reason? and solar dips because of weather? oh shit, we need to satisfy demand. switchover to nuclearthe planning going into all of this is full of all sorts of complex contingenciesmy point is not to say "i love nuclear"what bothers me is this weird antipathy to nuclearit's simply in the mix, as a tiny option, in niche scenariosand so what?
(DIR) Post #B18B9qv3VpiQmcryWO by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T15:01:55Z
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@benroyce @Walrus @paninid I mean, obviously if the choice is nuke vs methane, sure, nukes. But that's not the choice anymore. Not even a little bit.
(DIR) Post #B18B9rDqNykDiteyo4 by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T16:09:08Z
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@benroyce @iwein @Walrus @paninid I know, but I'm just trying to get through that nuclear is *really expensive* and *really time consuming* and that money and time is wasted compared to renewable + storage (maybe + transmission). Like there genuinely aren't any scenarios I know of where that's not true. Which is why I'd love for you to provide some examples. re: weather and stuff, storage. Storage prices are on the same curve as solar was, just about 10-15 years behind.
(DIR) Post #B18B9rujoV3VrvjEfI by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T16:16:36Z
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@qkslvrwolf @iwein @Walrus @paninidlike i said before, your argument isn't with melook to china, look to indiawhat they decide decides the topicif they get rid of nuclear, i have no problem with it. i don't care. i'm not a nuclear salesman. i don't love nucleari'm here in this argument because the antipathy to nuclear is stupid when we're being killed by fossil fuelsby the same token, if china and india keep nuclear in the mix, you need to take that as your signal as honestly as i am
(DIR) Post #B18B9sDWge5IoCWEwy by mike805@noc.social
2025-12-11T06:43:21Z
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@benroyce @qkslvrwolf @iwein @Walrus @paninid To fix global warming 25 years ago, as the greens constantly say we should have, nuclear would have been your only option. Solar was weak and expensive.Solar and batteries might do the job now.Advanced nuclear, like the molten chloride reactor experiments now being done, might solve the whole problem including the waste.That is worth a try. Conventional nuclear maybe not, without a waste solution. The best waste solution is advanced nuclear.
(DIR) Post #B18B9siMpykqLqws1Q by Jonny@annihilation.social
2025-12-11T06:47:31.944463Z
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@mike805 @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @iwein @Walrus @paninid They knew about Thorium 50 years ago, didn’t they???IMG_2380.jpeg
(DIR) Post #B18B9uz6OjKTOKnGNs by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T14:42:34Z
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@benroyce @Walrus @paninid "But as solar gets cheaper and more efficient, we have a lot of energy, and we can take apart an old solar panel that ran at 20% efficiency and use its recovered materials to make two solar panels that each run at 40% efficiency:"https://pluralistic.net/2025/10/11/cyber-rights-now/
(DIR) Post #B18B9vymhOfYTdeWWm by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-12-10T16:09:47Z
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@benroyce @iwein @Walrus @paninid And again, it's a commodity. Build it anywhere, put it anywhere, you're done in months not decades. The difference in how much power you get over time is nothing short of astounding.
(DIR) Post #B18CxspYmQVl91ifIm by mike805@noc.social
2025-12-11T07:06:39Z
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@Jonny @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @paninid @iwein @Walrus There was an experimental molten salt reactor yes. The group that ran it had none of the political clout of the bombs and plutonium crew, so their design did not get considered.As I understand it there was some engineering still to be done, but if this was really solved it would allow for nuclear power without "forever" waste, and maybe even burn up the existing waste.
(DIR) Post #B18D5vi1xfzAOB2CLQ by Jonny@annihilation.social
2025-12-11T07:09:32.649158Z
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@mike805 @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @paninid @iwein @Walrus FYI, in the future, don’t waste your time editing words.
(DIR) Post #B18DOrMgL0TkPw4j3o by Jonny@annihilation.social
2025-12-11T07:12:57.807176Z
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@mike805 @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @paninid @iwein @Walrus If you’re gonna edit, add a paragraph. Other than that, I can read your mind.
(DIR) Post #B18J9gZ0oURQIczSDo by mike805@noc.social
2025-12-11T08:13:27Z
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@Jonny @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @paninid @iwein @Walrus I always think of something to add after posting, so I edit.If you read it out of my mind before I can type it, please go ahead and post it in a reply. 😆
(DIR) Post #B18J9hkOPf8fyDK3bE by Jonny@annihilation.social
2025-12-11T08:17:25.639691Z
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@mike805 @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @paninid @iwein @Walrus Don’t bother correcting syntax errors.We know what the fuck you are saying.
(DIR) Post #B18JQE0mDsggfYrbIu by Jonny@annihilation.social
2025-12-11T08:20:26.458205Z
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@mike805 @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @paninid @iwein @Walrus It’s not that I can read your mind, but if you’re relegated too the Fedi, then everyone one here can can read your mind after about 20 words.
(DIR) Post #B18JWxG6uJj8jsFEbA by Jonny@annihilation.social
2025-12-11T08:21:39.466864Z
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@mike805 @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @paninid @iwein @Walrus People who edit sentences are gay AF.
(DIR) Post #B18JgTdDuombkPb1XM by Jonny@annihilation.social
2025-12-11T08:23:22.877177Z
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@mike805 @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @paninid @iwein @Walrus Are you two Israel lovers…IMG_2383.jpeg
(DIR) Post #B18JxJQv5PGf2ZrwIq by Jonny@annihilation.social
2025-12-11T08:26:24.100798Z
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@mike805 @benroyce @qkslvrwolf @paninid @iwein @Walrus Mike 805 and Lisa 2683 sitting in a tree. First comes love, then comes marriage, then comes that weird sheet with a hole in it so that jews can have sex.
(DIR) Post #B1BIfbXpUbKHWHyObw by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-12T18:43:00Z
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@justbob @elala @grootinside @billiglarper @iwein Are you just venting frustration or are you serious?In your understanding of the concept of voting, describe to me what the example of Mamdani representsNext, tell me how you think any of your positive agenda for the homeless is going to be enacted if people don't voteSeriously, answer thatDo you want to just spend your life dreaming?Or do you really want to fix the world?
(DIR) Post #B1BIfctUTYFNhl7D0q by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-12-12T18:47:55Z
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@justbob @elala @grootinside @billiglarper @iweinThe reason voting "doesn't work" is two fold:1. MAGA bigots and morons who vote2. People on the Left who don't really seem to give a fuck and just don't show up when they're needed*They* are the ones failing you. Not Leftist votersSo you do what? You attack the concept of voting? What?Are you trying to make sure everything you want never becomes real?I don't think soSo shift who you blame to those who deserve it:nonvoters
(DIR) Post #B1BIsR4Fl0dYn4G11U by elala@nrw.social
2025-12-12T18:08:45Z
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@justbob Finland proves that Housing First is a success story when done sensibly, so naturally the bigoted disciples of the orange-haired man want to destroy it. These people are completely broken.🙈 (Article in German)https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/finnland-housing-first-wie-das-land-die-obdachlosigkeit-abschafft-a-42acd6e8-2dd7-42fa-803d-f575d4e2bf9b@benroyce @grootinside @billiglarper @iwein