Post B10UKQ2o7KCcTwZHDk by neal@social.gompa.me
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(DIR) Post #B0ujg7nKywCMcJNesK by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2025-12-04T19:02:57Z
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Interesting thinking about how Microsoft's push towards things like backlight control not being handled with vendor specific drivers and for hotkeys to be sent over standard HID interfaces has meant that laptops are far more likely to broadly work out of the box with Linux than pretty much any prior point in history
(DIR) Post #B10UKOefHbISAmGTx2 by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-12-04T19:04:57Z
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@mjg59 this makes sense but i want to complexify it by contrasting it with how Microsoft also used their power to get everything moved to S0ix, which on Linux appears to be pure pain
(DIR) Post #B10UKQ2o7KCcTwZHDk by neal@social.gompa.me
2025-12-04T19:53:47Z
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@mcc @mjg59 That's just because nobody cares enough to make power management good in Linux at the kernel level anymore. For example, aside from @mjg59, I don't know of anyone who has tried at all in over a decade and a half to fix S4 suspend for secure boot.
(DIR) Post #B10UKQtcwwSB7lHSYC by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-12-04T19:57:24Z
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@neal @mjg59 A thing I sometimes wonder, but am not informed enough to know if this is true or not, is if the pressures on the linux core dev ecosystem are almost entirely toward VPS VMs now and not so much toward desktops, and not really at all toward laptops.I recently auditioned Ubuntu on a desktop, and it worked well, so I installed it on a laptop, and had huge problems, all with bits of hardware a desktop doesn't have (trackpad, wifi, webcam, multiple builtin mics, lid-to-sleep, hidpi).
(DIR) Post #B10UKRrXMCNM7ZJIvo by dotstdy@mastodon.social
2025-12-04T20:27:54Z
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@mcc @neal @mjg59 I don't know. I feel like many of these things are a bit that, but also individually they have their own reasons (vendors writing software). Like webcams are entirely broken just because vendors want to write the entire image processing pipeline themselves now. Great. HiDPI is a bit complicated and also a victim of the ongoing churn from wayland. I actually haven't had issues with wifi for ages, but when I last did it was just... vendor written software yet again.
(DIR) Post #B10UKSWIuczAA0NrTU by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-12-04T20:30:22Z
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@dotstdy @neal @mjg59 Well i'm thinking less in terms of "why do we have these problems?" and more in terms of "how much perceived pressure is there, in terms of the people who do the work and fund the work, to solve certain problems versus others?". Like there's lots of specific *reasons* HiDPI got screwed up but the screwups *could* have been prevented if more people in the right places had cared earlier.
(DIR) Post #B10UKT5Oo93fuqntB2 by dotstdy@mastodon.social
2025-12-04T20:37:05Z
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@mcc @neal @mjg59 yeah, broadly there's a lot of push back on the notion of a "product" when talking about open source software. But one vital purpose that making a "product" serves, is a justification for actually fixing the long tail of annoying ass bugs that are just annoying enough that nobody's been able to get them resolved. you can see with the lack of HDMI2.1 on the gabecube though, that even well resourced and determined folks can't fix all the bureaucratic nightmares...
(DIR) Post #B10UKU556oOl09f9Jw by shironeko@fedi.tesaguri.club
2025-12-07T13:44:50.394446Z
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@dotstdy @mcc @neal @mjg59 yeah hdmi fourm is garbage
(DIR) Post #B10UKXjbWbayKhe3Oq by dotstdy@mastodon.social
2025-12-04T20:40:16Z
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@mcc @neal @mjg59 but the webcam one is the thing that really annoys me, intel dropping a huge ass bunch of new hardware and new interfaces (i'm not knowledgeable enough about the domain to say that the interfaces are bad, but they look very... interesting) with practically zero linux support (which also arrived late). Intel, you were supposed to be the chosen one!