Post B0lQ0ItHgraFJerqjI by jackemled@furry.engineer
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(DIR) Post #B0kVJvt7EFQgNY0Y76 by lunareclipse@snug.moe
2025-11-29T20:22:34.348Z
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The thing to realize about Wayland is that noone is out to get you.Most of the problems people have a knee jerk reaction about were either fixed in the past few years or are being actively worked on. Sometimes it takes a long time because people want to actually do it properly and not just do a quick hack, and that can involve some experimentation and failures before a good solution is settled on. Also creating standards that all major DEs and UI toolkits will agree on can be a challenge.X11 was made in a time where you ran your software on a mainframe but ran the GUI on a separate computer, noone thought about security yet and hardware accelerated rendering wasn't a concern.At this point it's a massive clusterfuck full of hacks that noone wants to maintain.This is why Wayland exists, because people actually want to work on it, and they want to use the experience from the past to make something that works much better in the modern world, where your GUI apps run directly on your computer, want hardware acceleration, and you may want them to be sandboxed for security reasons.There is XWayland for compatibility, with implementations ranging from being built into the compositor (KWin) to being a layer on top (xwayland-satellite).I know at least one maintainer of a Wayland compositor that specifically only supports the latter approach because they don't want to deal with implementing any cursed X11 logic.
(DIR) Post #B0kVXtlxtGGts9K4CO by lunareclipse@snug.moe
2025-11-29T20:32:03.282Z
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Remote desktop? It's here (with some issues on some compositors that are being actively worked on, notably it already works on KDE).Screen reader support? Also here (at least on GNOME and Niri).Screen cast? Available through a portal. You get to choose what screen(s) or apps you want the screen capture to contain.You also get the "virtual audio cable" capabilities for free with Pipewire which afaik is something you need a specialty driver for on Windows. And there are nice GUI apps to handle it (qpwgraph (Qt) and helvum (GTK)).Window positioning? The ext-zones protocol is being standardized and allows that in a way which works with more types of compositors (even ones for VR headsets).Virtual inputs? There is a protocol for it although it still has issues on some compositors, that is being worked on.I forgot if there was anything else this is off the top of my head.
(DIR) Post #B0kVYfonG33Ssp10Gu by byte@awawa.club
2025-11-29T20:40:07.204480Z
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@lunareclipse sometimes nvidia works poorly with wayland, but i personally had zero problems with 5000 series card and latest drivers
(DIR) Post #B0kcvmB0U1xIwVMuTQ by haematophage@fabula.schizophreni.ca
2025-11-29T21:58:24.733443Z
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@lunareclipse getting "all the major DEs" to agree seems to mean GNOME deciding what they don't want users to be able to do and making sure nobody else gets to do it (e.g. client side decorations, which are enough to ensure I never switch.). When the design philosophy of Wayland stops being "fuck you for wanting a feature we've decided is sinful"
(DIR) Post #B0keY6EyQywa813uD2 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-11-29T22:24:06Z
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@lunareclipse IOW, there are regressions compared to X11.There have to be.After all, Wayland is trying to take some control away from the applications, and give it to the compositor.This is a good thing that opens up new possibilities.But it also means some things will no longer be possible, and some other things will require developing new (possibly more restricted) ways to do them.This is fine if you're like "today I'll try switching to Wayland, see what it's like"1/
(DIR) Post #B0kfDs25eHZSE4xBi4 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-11-29T22:31:39Z
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@lunareclipse But if you weren't in the mood for trying a new thing that day, and the only reason you're using Wayland is that your DE switched the default, or some GUI toolkit dropped support for X11, then it feels forced. And that's when the regressions hurt the most.Your computer worked fine before, and you did not change anything, but now it doesn't work anymore.And this sucks.It feels like someone else broke your computer without your consent.2/
(DIR) Post #B0kfiFI9jiGf3Bx6g4 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-11-29T22:37:08Z
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@lunareclipse Of course, this is not Wayland-specific.It happened multiple times before in Desktop Linux.It's happening all the time in proprietary software.Back in WinXP days, "disable updates" was a common advice.And even though I'm writing this on Wayland, which I switched to by choice in 2018, I often feel like the "don't install updates" advice applies to Linux as well.
(DIR) Post #B0kiif7U0bI915qmh6 by ignaloidas@not.acu.lt
2025-11-29T23:10:49.821Z
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@wolf480pl@mstdn.io @lunareclipse@snug.moe tbh this is why XWayland existsand why programs shouldn't rush the transition to wayland if it doesn't fit them yetbut I don't see any reason to keep using X11 for new stuff personally
(DIR) Post #B0kjqkIMkYihL5MKOW by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-11-29T23:23:30Z
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@ignaloidasis gtk5 a new program?@lunareclipse
(DIR) Post #B0kmSMB34IZjS0zy76 by ignaloidas@not.acu.lt
2025-11-29T23:52:42.553Z
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@wolf480pl@mstdn.io @lunareclipse@snug.moe I'm inclined towards saying yes, because it's a very significant changethough still not quite reaching a full "new framework" stage of things
(DIR) Post #B0kn4AJxb8T3gRCBQu by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-11-29T23:59:30Z
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@ignaloidasbut then they're gonna port old programs to gtk5...@lunareclipse
(DIR) Post #B0lQ0ItHgraFJerqjI by jackemled@furry.engineer
2025-11-29T20:58:57Z
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@lunareclipse My only Wayland issue is that hotkeys don't work for unfocused windows, for example you can't use the "start recording" hotkey for OBS unless the window is focused. I understand the reason it doesn't work is specifically to defeat keylogging malware, but it's still annoying & I feel like there should be a way to grant exceptions to specific software. Besides that, I've never had any of the issues people say they have because they have already been fixed.
(DIR) Post #B0lQ2qFicfodMhZTzk by fiore@brain.worm.pink
2025-11-30T07:16:17.034279Z
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@jackemled @lunareclipse niri has a workaround for that i believe what desktop r u using ?
(DIR) Post #B0lQTNf71sYgVp6USW by lunareclipse@snug.moe
2025-11-29T23:01:51.483Z
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@haematophage the window decorations are unfortunate and it is very annoying that GTK forces CSD because the main layout now integrates the window management buttons with actual UI elements.This particularly sucks when you have a window manager that has other concepts than minimize/maximize/quit (see AwesomeWM, Wayland compositors don't bother trying to do window decorations like that).This seems to just be a pattern with GNOME/GTK where they have some contributors that are hostile to letting people just have features, because they believe there's one correct way to use a computer. There are also many that aren't like that.I really wish this was limited to GNOME (because I really don't care how the UI works there, it's very much not for me and that's okay) and didn't result in limitations like this with broader Linux, stuff like the GTK file picker dialog only having a magical keybind to enter a path instead of clicking through breadcrumbs...
(DIR) Post #B0mCm1ycfsqEYgBk36 by jackemled@furry.engineer
2025-11-30T14:29:51Z
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@fiore @lunareclipse Plasma
(DIR) Post #B0mCmzMlrkDMkewMNc by fiore@brain.worm.pink
2025-11-30T16:22:28.144402Z
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@jackemled @lunareclipse oh , i thought it supported global shortcuts ?
(DIR) Post #B0mFXgFwvxzX0A8qXI by mint@ryona.agency
2025-11-30T16:53:19.013587Z
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@lunareclipse >Remote desktop? It's here (with some issues on some compositors that are being actively worked on, notably it already works on KDE).Nigger.https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435338>Hello, I'm on KDE Desktop from running `startplasmamobile` on Raspberry Pi OS Lite, and using RealVNC Viewer on Android still doesn't allow any keyboard input; krfb 22.12.3, RealVNC Viewer 4.9.2.60169https://invent.kde.org/network/krfb/-/issues/5https://invent.kde.org/network/krfb/-/issues/2
(DIR) Post #B0mGYxxWhUpK9LhXbk by aliceif@mkultra.x27.one
2025-11-29T20:56:15.089Z
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@lunareclipse@snug.moe nice, now tell me how to get my password manager to directly fill my password into my terminal for admin tasks when remoted into a VPS (this exists on Windows 11 and X11, the button is missing on Wayland, which is claimed to not allow for such functionality in an issue on the password manager's repo)Or how to drag a Youtube link from Discord into a browser window (this works on Windows 11 and X11, on Wayland the browser window is just not draggable to)Or any other papercuts in the Linux desktop experience I keep coming across, of which some just seem to go away when I log in under X11.Also: Who in the world is this to be reported to? Do I call KDE? Or FDO? With the drag and drop thing, is it the browsers? Discord? KDE? I would genuinely like to know.Oh and yes I still endure Wayland on the occasions that I decide to indulge in the Linux Desktop Experience, mostly as a know-your-enemy kinda thing. But I am not liking it.
(DIR) Post #B0mGjdSDHJ7zjw8si0 by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-11-30T17:06:41.242914Z
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@lunareclipse posts like this make me excited for the a18 MacBook tbh
(DIR) Post #B0mLFVXqcRtEIGEOYK by bonifartius@noauthority.social
2025-11-30T17:57:17Z
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@lunareclipse to paraphrase:"$X only works on KDE, $Y only works on GNOME, $Z only works on LarPWiN3000. everything else is currently being sTaNDARdiZEd by IBM/redhat/spooks"