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(DIR) Post #B0ftyKMh4MBgzBq06S by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T15:23:19Z
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Crystalizing some principles:* Durable is more impressive than expensive. There can be a lot of overlap but they aren't the same.* Durable items with evidence of their durability (nicely aged) are the most impressive. * Trends don't matter but innovation does. A new way to do something can be exciting especially if it solves old problems in a fresh way.* This may sound utilitarian but it need not be. There are still many design questions to consider.
(DIR) Post #B0fvdY9sn4hxan48g4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T15:41:58Z
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This set of observations was triggered by an interior designer who suggested replacing linoleum flooring with those fake (but realistic) plastic wood planks you see in new construction today. Linoleum sold on the roll has always been a cheap substitute for tiles. No one uses it anymore. But if you have linoleum and it's easy to clean and STILL in good shape after years?Why would you rip it out for what is just the new version linoleum?That's a downgrade.
(DIR) Post #B0fvrIL0PLqga0p3Im by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T15:44:27Z
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Frankly most linoleum floors of this kind have wear spots, or holes and yeah, replace that. But if it's in good condition with more life in it why would you want your home to look like every other cookie cutter house out there when you have this amazing relic from the past that's still going strong?This flooring was cheap, but with good installation and care it can last. And I think it's just more impressive to have that than... plastic wood, you know?
(DIR) Post #B0fvwwoXLTR1YxKZvM by MisuseCase@twit.social
2025-11-27T15:45:26Z
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@futurebird The plastic wood flooring is basically linoleum anyway. Or at least it’s vinyl.
(DIR) Post #B0fw3LGZLV9d8ZUYb2 by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-11-27T15:46:32Z
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@futurebird i will never forgive whoever came up with MDF laminate
(DIR) Post #B0fw3vZyKq47lAqYq0 by jessamyn@glammr.us
2025-11-27T15:46:36Z
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@futurebird Hey that's my childhood floor linoleum! That other stuff always looks like "low end Airbnb" even though I know there's high-end flooring that looks almost exactly like it.
(DIR) Post #B0fw5NREF2Y2S7Rqhk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T15:47:00Z
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In 30 years someone will be saying you need to tear out your "wood effect" planks for ... whatever they are on to next. I guess not everyone can see that these are the same thing but from different eras. I will take the older one, please. Because real tile, real wood are not on the table in either case at this price point.
(DIR) Post #B0fw6Ggip8cZo67UzQ by sewblue@sfba.social
2025-11-27T15:47:01Z
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@futurebird The problem is finding modern products that are actually durable.Most are cheap plastic crap designed to be replaced in 10 years.
(DIR) Post #B0fw7Knl11Ssr1v37Q by WhistlingStella@c.im
2025-11-27T15:47:02Z
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@futurebird Some lino contain asbestos.
(DIR) Post #B0fwE2NDvdQ7jChjW4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T15:48:34Z
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@MisuseCase It's just a new and harder to spot "pattern" But at this point it's used so much I can spot it. It feels like the linoleum did back in the 90s to me. Just, the obvious functional cheap option. It's fine. I guess.
(DIR) Post #B0fwEw2wwCTeOXeKgq by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-11-27T15:48:38Z
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@futurebird the plastic wood looks better, doesn't get ripped and dented. hopefully it lasts longer?
(DIR) Post #B0fwI4Egwj8of8dRvU by CoolerPseudonym@wandering.shop
2025-11-27T15:49:16Z
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@futurebird That particular design of lino was absolutely ubiquitous back in the day. My parents’ house had it
(DIR) Post #B0fwJILjxPwAj0W9Sq by jerzone@techhub.social
2025-11-27T15:49:27Z
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@futurebird Basement in our house has linoleum in hallway and bathroom. I'd been thinking it was a random pattern since it doesn't really look like anything. But studying it for a while (i.e. bathroom) I discovered that it’s a repeating pattern, which means someone maybe drew it?
(DIR) Post #B0fwKTvkNz7AvovRDs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T15:49:34Z
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@oldoldcojote That's an amazing floor. But I was talking about the cheap stuff that came on the roll. Is that more properly called "vinyl" ...?
(DIR) Post #B0fwMOOBxVyuKD8owS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T15:50:04Z
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@burnitdown It's EVERYWHERE
(DIR) Post #B0fwOfJ61ugXNEqF4i by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T15:50:30Z
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@sewblue Another reason not to rush to get rid of old things.
(DIR) Post #B0fwSqGDFNGuVIU62S by guyjantic@infosec.exchange
2025-11-27T15:51:12Z
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@futurebird You just delineated most of my issues with function vs fashion.
(DIR) Post #B0fwjXDrHbMqNiLKYy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T15:54:15Z
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@guyjantic When replacing something it should be because it's beyond repair OR for something that is an upgrade, a significant one to durability.So, I'd have less of a problem with replacing the old yellow vinyl (I'm told that's the better term) with IDK real tile, or wood. Maybe?Still upsets me if it's in great shape AND old. When things are in good condition and old that's a sign of intrinsic quality and love.
(DIR) Post #B0fx8TPgaBQzo5lbdY by OWOP@mastodon.world
2025-11-27T15:58:43Z
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@futurebird You may cast the energy of your life into the fabric of the moment and influence the lives and structures there. *Look up Marmoliun it's a linseed oil based floor covering I think you might enjoy. Peace.
(DIR) Post #B0fxNfsIX82cncOl16 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T16:01:30Z
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The same designer then went on to say that the "new trend" in fake wood floors is more narrow planks.Why would that be? Could it be because it's *absurd* to pretend that 8" wide planks on a huge "open plan" floor are "real" ? The simulation started to waver. So, the solution? More narrow modest fake planks that might look more like real wood. The cycle/game makes me sad. People are caught up in it. It's not like you have many other choices. Hold on to the old and durable with your life.
(DIR) Post #B0fxTIbhxF8mNEJw6y by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T16:02:28Z
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@mattdm I say keep it even if it is ugly at this point. It's rare.
(DIR) Post #B0fxVZ6NbArQ6tkPM8 by MisuseCase@twit.social
2025-11-27T16:02:56Z
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@futurebird I got a floor replaced in my house with some of that fake wood flooring - the wood flooring that was there originally was heavily damaged (buckled in places) and I managed to find something that looked decent but also wouldn’t get scratched up by my pets or warp if I spilled water on it.
(DIR) Post #B0fxZWrfrHGaKWl8aW by toerror@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-11-27T16:03:37Z
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@futurebird To be fair, parquet is pretty nice. If you want l'real thing.
(DIR) Post #B0fxbwrABzz9WNfqcK by Moss@beige.party
2025-11-27T16:04:03Z
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@futurebird The next trend will be for the planks to have visible pixelation molded in.
(DIR) Post #B0fxd6QO6VLfUBhTsW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T16:04:18Z
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@toerror Sometimes there is parquet under the cheap vinyl. I've restored a few floors like that in my day.
(DIR) Post #B0fxn8AyRmbHoVGxCy by toerror@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-11-27T16:06:05Z
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@futurebird Yeah, the information on how to restore things in the past was pretty well hidden away, so once it went wonky I think a lot of people thought it was better to just cover it up.
(DIR) Post #B0fxqE6KsEyP3iZxdQ by lionelb@expressional.social
2025-11-27T16:06:38Z
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@futurebird Real linoloeum would be even more expensive than wood these days. A wonderful natural product with a glorious smell.
(DIR) Post #B0fyN7opFj6D8A4mZ6 by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2025-11-27T16:12:34Z
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@futurebird If it is the real vintage linoleum made with solidified linseed oil (linoxyn), pine resin, ground cork dust, sawdust, and mineral fillers such as calcium carbonate, it's a treasure and ecological. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linoleum Unfortunately, a lot of so-called linoleum is vinyl or even PVC. And under that you can find everything from mould to forgotten corpses. 😁
(DIR) Post #B0fyWcOcw57GZTLg0G by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2025-11-27T16:14:10Z
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@MisuseCase real linoleum is plastic-free https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linoleum @futurebird
(DIR) Post #B0fygDEbLDdRQgEZU0 by lapis@elekk.xyz
2025-11-27T16:16:01Z
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@futurebird I don't know if it counts as durable (I was not there for this conversation) but when my brother was redoing our bathroom he was asked what color he wanted the linoleum to be.He said purple.It turned out there was no purple, and frankly there weren't a lot of color choices other than gray.To this day I wonder why we were asked about color choice
(DIR) Post #B0fzMSSJ8jlMnbmzxI by NatureMC@mastodon.online
2025-11-27T16:23:40Z
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@futurebird yes. @oldoldcojote
(DIR) Post #B0fzNIHoR0GVY7HLoe by GustavinoBevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.org
2025-11-27T16:23:41Z
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@futurebird Free linoleum samples will become great mouse mats 😉
(DIR) Post #B0fzYKJDFro30XC7xg by JoBlakely@mastodon.social
2025-11-27T16:25:48Z
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@futurebird I think the main thing is that you like it. I think if you have style, you can make almost anything ‘off trend’ work and look really bespoke. Trends are the opposite of style to me.
(DIR) Post #B0g02JGJi94iRt8Z2e by krnlg@mastodon.social
2025-11-27T16:31:12Z
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@futurebirdMy kitchen had cheap vinyl tiles badly stuck on top of an older lino/vinyl floor. The vinyl tiles were both horrible and very damaged. Unfortunately the lino under was also damaged quite badly partly from the glue used for the vinyl tiles.One day I got annoyed with it and just ripped it all up, and underneath were the original (probably, 1920s) dark floortiles, the type that contain asbestos but which are fine as long as you don't go breaking them apart. They look *so much* better!
(DIR) Post #B0g09zqFnceUXBbz8q by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T16:32:39Z
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@krnlg Amazing recovery. I've worked on many multi-layer floors like that. I did a lot of summer jobs renovating apartments. Maybe that's why I have Opinions(tm) about these things.
(DIR) Post #B0g0LnKg8OKvDET6YK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T16:34:47Z
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@lapis I thought this was due to landlords, but interior design has been VERY bland for a long time now. Even in single family homes where people ought to feel more free to have some colors without freaking about about "resale value"Unless one is a "flipper" I think all the focus on resale value is a bit silly. And limiting.
(DIR) Post #B0g0c3DQqhTZ6epYCe by lapis@elekk.xyz
2025-11-27T16:37:39Z
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@futurebird have you noticed this trend in like, restaurants and fast casual and such that they've got to redo their buildings to look like gray bland office complexes that don't look like they serve food?Like I have not been to a panera in years partially because I forget they exist, because all our paneras look like they should be law firms or architectural firms or something.Are we re-creating the giver? Are we recreating the story beat on neopets I didn't follow that took the color out of everyone and everything?
(DIR) Post #B0g0p4Q5gQ6gbbxYTQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T16:40:04Z
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@lapis It's like in "Never Ending Story" when "The Nothing" came for the world of fairy tales an imagination. Gray fake wood floor.Gray boxes.Maybe a dark brown accent as a tiny "treat" ... it's supposed to be sophisticated I suppose. And if you make no dangerous choices no one can have an opinion about those choices, right?(well I can)
(DIR) Post #B0g1hjUtAsd5dtGjxo by haloedrain@toot.cafe
2025-11-27T16:49:55Z
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@futurebird one of “The Cat Who…” mystery books from the 70s had an architect bragging about replacing 20s Spanish tile with shag carpet, and I was just like you monster how could you. All of these floor trends seem the same.
(DIR) Post #B0g2a4n8De1TK4iNdI by catselbow@fosstodon.org
2025-11-27T16:59:44Z
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@futurebird This linoleum is the pattern that we had on the restroom floors in the physics building prior to our recent renovation. I don't know when it was put down, but the building was built in the 1950s.
(DIR) Post #B0g3QDnbyQOmJmnujY by JoBlakely@mastodon.social
2025-11-27T17:09:10Z
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@futurebird @lapis So busy making it a ‘house for everyone’ it’s a home for no one.
(DIR) Post #B0g4FLES67pi8ijb2O by JoBlakely@mastodon.social
2025-11-27T17:18:24Z
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@futurebird @lapis I think it is partly due to landlords & when it comes to anything creative, people are very risk averse. My mom & sister are interior designers & my dad & grandfather were commercial landlords who with the young architect they hired, pioneered industrial lofts in early 60s. Part of that revolution in design included exposed brick, exposed beams, exposed pipes. It saved a lot of money, but was architecturally interesting and very daring & unique at the time.
(DIR) Post #B0g8d5ptOKZJ9jpOU4 by ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us
2025-11-27T18:07:26Z
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@futurebird We need to replace our Marmoleum floor soon. It’s gotten so rough it doesn’t look clean even when it is. It’s about 20 yrs old.I looked into vinyl. It’s tougher than Marmoleum. That fake wood was the only way vinyl was sold, though. To get an actually interesting floor, we’ll have to put in Marmoleum again.
(DIR) Post #B0g8mNxxLzGfzY1y1Q by ricosuave@mastodon.online
2025-11-27T18:09:11Z
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@futurebird Saltillo tile, 30 years and counting. Oak upstairs.
(DIR) Post #B0g9YMOMVdUN0fG34i by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T18:17:54Z
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@ohmu cork?
(DIR) Post #B0gAEqfSKqEt4RVtPU by ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us
2025-11-27T18:25:33Z
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@futurebird Cork had pretty awful sustainabily and exploitation issues last I checked...I really wish Marmoleum was tougher. It's pretty and it is pretty much a sustainable product.
(DIR) Post #B0gB9iVnKZbAHY6xsm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T18:35:51Z
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@ohmu Where did you hear it wasn’t sustainable compared to wood and why?
(DIR) Post #B0gCAot7D4h8Ij6pM0 by ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us
2025-11-27T18:47:13Z
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@futurebird This was at least 20 years ago so I don't recall the source other than that it was a source I trusted at the time. And I don't recall it being in comparison to wood. It was a standalone statement. The cork for floors had been found to be coming from sources that were taking entire trees rather than harvesting bark. That was a long time ago. Thank you for the poke. I'll look again.
(DIR) Post #B0gCN2sH2CPb9cXrHM by KatS@chaosfem.tw
2025-11-27T18:49:25Z
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@futurebird Besides, it's :pops jacket collar: retro!
(DIR) Post #B0gCrTFtVzvzf26LwG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T18:54:57Z
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There is a furniture shop in the Bronx that has always baffled me.But, recently? I had a revelation. I was baffled because the stuff in their window is so showy and colorful. It’s just not what I’ve been taught to think of as “good design.” But m, then, I stepped back and considered their prices, the build quality of the furniture— and in that light it’s not that different than IKEA.In terms of price or functionality or materials. It just has a very different design agenda.
(DIR) Post #B0gDEUjgB2eque0myu by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-11-27T18:59:04Z
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@futurebird there are definitely other companies trying to be IKEA but with their air of being for a higher class than those filthy poor IKEA customers.
(DIR) Post #B0gDJC0lDoEEHtF2VU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T18:59:59Z
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This stuff is my style at all but I decided to reevaluate my initial impression that it was nonsensical and impractical. IKEA often copies western designer items in wood laminate and plastic. Since I understand what they are trying to do it can sort of make sense— I have never seen what this furniture is trying to copy. Both places make furniture for middle class people— both are aspirational in their own strange way.
(DIR) Post #B0gDmRRMw3lWXQdOBk by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T19:05:15Z
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@burnitdown That is restoration hardware I think. I have deeply conflicted feelings about Ikea
(DIR) Post #B0gDpQKLWz4VxDltQW by jenesuispasgoth@pouet.chapril.org
2025-11-27T19:05:47Z
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@futurebird I will "defend" my wooden floors and ceilings with the fact that my whole brand new building is using a wood-based structure beyond the 2nd floor! Also, apparently we're the last building with some wood ceilings in rooms, as apparently the fire department doesn't really like that kind of thing... 😬
(DIR) Post #B0gEcaVkSLGDjEY2Mq by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T19:14:39Z
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@datarama Yes IKEA copies western designer items because they are a western furniture mass producer. And the stuff in the the Bronx imports shop is also mass produced copies but of … something where I have not encountered the “real” version —
(DIR) Post #B0gFCYzdZqCDRhgOYa by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-11-27T19:21:10Z
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@futurebird that can be easily solved by knowing that IKEA has involvement with Israel and is also responsible for mass deforestation in eastern Europe.
(DIR) Post #B0gFul9disFzuBR4YS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T19:29:10Z
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@datarama Do not utter such horrors …for by describing them, by naming them, we may speak them into being.
(DIR) Post #B0gGESZOWtM63dsNiS by PaulWermer@sfba.social
2025-11-27T19:32:42Z
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@futurebird wow. That linoleum pattern ( different colors, though) was in the kitchen of my family home from 1968 until 2024 (and if the house hadn't been sold it would still be there. Incredibly durable.
(DIR) Post #B0gHveuqbRm2kq4bdQ by PaulWermer@sfba.social
2025-11-27T19:39:40Z
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@NatureMC @MisuseCase @futurebird Marmoleum...
(DIR) Post #B0gHvg0CZ1eQ7jaOcS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T19:51:44Z
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@PaulWermer @NatureMC @MisuseCase Lovely girl’s name: Marmoleum
(DIR) Post #B0gIoGgOP275WXLsCO by arratoon@beige.party
2025-11-27T19:55:02Z
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@datarama @futurebird Yes! I have some old (maybe 25 years old) Billy bookshelves that are so strong I could knock out a rhino with them. And I bought a Kallax the other day that an ant could lift up and carry off.
(DIR) Post #B0gIoIRZr5S0zAR4Ns by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T20:01:34Z
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@arratoon @datarama is this an invitation?
(DIR) Post #B0gIunc8sSMDOdThIm by ohmu@social.seattle.wa.us
2025-11-27T20:02:46Z
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@futurebird This looks like what rooms often looked like in San Francisco in my 20s (30 yrs ago). Furniture and decoration then was the best stuff my friends could find on street corners and in Goodwill stores.And painting our apartments interesting colors was a relatively cheap way to make spaces our own.
(DIR) Post #B0gIxVe48ricXFfbcm by Flisty@mstdn.social
2025-11-27T20:03:15Z
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@futurebird I mean it's not *cheap* cheap. https://www.homelement.com/Homelegance-Furniture-Cavalier-Bedroom-Set-Silver-1757SV-Bedroom-Set-p-99426.html
(DIR) Post #B0gJxoCJGTqM1pOUBE by rk@mastodon.well.com
2025-11-27T20:14:29Z
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@futurebird Please see my recent post about my sister-in-law’s bathroom and interior design.
(DIR) Post #B0gLF4KicsNmwv7aWO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T20:28:46Z
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@ohmu @PaulWermer I remember wanting things like that from the thrift shop by my mom said they were “immoral.” Like if you had a velvet couch you might end up living a life with too much drinking and fast women. And it has only hit me now how *weird* that is. Just this notion that not plain furniture will corrupt your soul: an unexamined “truth” that on closer inspection makes no sense.
(DIR) Post #B0gSgYZD1ciuDPxARs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-27T21:52:16Z
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@ohmu I remember wanting things like that from the thrift shop by my mom said they were “immoral.” Like if you had a velvet couch you might end up living a life with too much drinking and fast women. And it has only hit me now how *weird* that is. Just this notion that not plain furniture will corrupt your soul: an unexamined “truth” that on closer inspection makes no sense.
(DIR) Post #B0gVNPIZYnEXpYjSGO by pencilears@mastodon.eternalaugust.com
2025-11-27T22:22:14Z
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@futurebird the grey wood stuff is trying to look like a farmhouse modern version of like French Rococo. Which, ideally, you'd make out of wood with a flashy beautiful grain and then the little hand-carved flourishes show off that it's not just that the wood is very high quality, but the shop that made it has a master woodcarver that just does acanthus leaf embellishments all day.Of course, that leads to plaster embellishments on wood, which is gilded and/or painted.
(DIR) Post #B0hcBuQCufHJifjAf2 by Photo55@mastodon.social
2025-11-28T11:13:26Z
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@futurebird Wood makes durable items, and when unmade can be remade to new durable items.And can be finished and refinished, as an alternative to showing its age.Chipboard etc doesn't.
(DIR) Post #B0hcbwFijDtsvXEaOW by Photo55@mastodon.social
2025-11-28T11:18:11Z
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@futurebird Castle Drogo nest here, about 100 years old, has nice Oak in narrow but not identical planks. Deliberate by Lutyens.A Tudor house even nearer has a few boards that might be 7" but mostly timber that size and up was reserved for the Navy.I'd say a variation in widths is a clue to authenticity, and if you can fake that you've got it made;)
(DIR) Post #B0hxJVBki9McoYQcK0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-28T15:10:10Z
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@Retreival9096 @lapis This happened with phones too for a bit. Though I think they are getting over it now. But I'm still not getting a new phone. I'm mad.
(DIR) Post #B0iIwMu9Xg3PSBZQmW by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-28T19:12:25Z
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@kelson Still going strong!