Post B0c7ttlEf8dU2gG9Ka by IceCubeSoup@shitposter.world
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(DIR) Post #B0bvnmUXZsdUJFld1E by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T17:25:02.308120Z
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>1GB of dependencies>intel vaapiOf course installing a single messaging software will download binary blobs and other crap.I'm too lazy and worried right now to compile it myself so fuck it.
(DIR) Post #B0bwhoUJLIdsiYNUyO by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2025-11-25T17:35:02.441252Z
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@mangeurdenuage >kvetch>press Y anyway
(DIR) Post #B0bxbHgcU6sjCbaO6y by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-11-25T17:45:10.320814Z
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@mangeurdenuage It is JS and Rust ware, so good luck even figuring out the build system and compiling manually.
(DIR) Post #B0bxeJfNZzb0DCS3HM by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-11-25T17:45:43.837701Z
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@mangeurdenuage Also Electron so enjoy compiling Chromium for 6 hours if that isn't packaged.
(DIR) Post #B0bxjLJAu1DekgSizA by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T17:46:38.947105Z
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@hakui Normally my procedure for these issues are removing them when I'm done, but the software doesn't allow me to set my own password, doesn't allow me to export my config. I can export my keys tho. Dependency to a central server isn't what I think off P2P servers.
(DIR) Post #B0bxr1qz7P5wjNwRlo by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T17:48:02.084472Z
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@phnt Rust mentioned. Silly memes aside. The cognitive dissonance in computer security space is always a delight (not).
(DIR) Post #B0by2dhIkxA1Hqwsdc by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-11-25T17:50:07.066860Z
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@mangeurdenuage It is using the same crate as Signal is so at least that is commendable. I don't mind when Rust is used in a security and cryptography context, but it does suck and the people that actually write cryptography usually don't like it because the language is a mess.
(DIR) Post #B0by8EWfFxpixLdmjY by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-11-25T17:51:07.173365Z
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@mangeurdenuage do you have an intel gpu?anyway, of course. i hate flatpak too, and this is only the surfavc of it
(DIR) Post #B0byHDkPWGmx9HM7zU by meeper@udongein.xyz
2025-11-25T17:52:44.432085Z
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@mischievoustomato @mangeurdenuage > I hate flatpak toobetrayal of gnome's reddest soldier
(DIR) Post #B0byZyCFYtUuQ7Jli4 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T17:56:09.620123Z
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@hakui >doesn't allow me to export my configNevermind I think I found it, it's buried in the "chat and media" config.
(DIR) Post #B0c4jS3WVy7bMH8lpQ by bonifartius@qoto.org
2025-11-25T19:05:04Z
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@mangeurdenuage delta chat - is a single client implementation. bloated for no good reason.- says they use mail as delivery mechanism, still implement their own bespoke server for more speed or something, throwing away their biggest selling argument:tiredcat:
(DIR) Post #B0c4pbSAUJDcF2bKdc by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T19:06:12.921203Z
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@bonifartius I agree, I'm just using for one person, just like I ask people to use jami because that's the main thing i use.
(DIR) Post #B0c5ILLjRMu4h7IM0e by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T19:11:24.502482Z
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@bonifartius Jami is also bloat tho. But at least it doesn't pretend to not to be so.
(DIR) Post #B0c5Ie2Dy7aYe7JXk0 by i@declin.eu
2025-11-25T19:11:24.667164Z
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@bonifartius @mangeurdenuage to be fair their bespoke thing is still just a plain dovecot smtp server with scripted addons like permissionless automatic registration and filters on it to make sure only encrypted messages are accepted or relayed
(DIR) Post #B0c5Msh3PVvNGcQqky by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T19:12:13.364357Z
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@i @bonifartius so pgp mail but much worse
(DIR) Post #B0c5bPXe4ukzCLxYgK by mint@ryona.agency
2025-11-25T19:14:48.521416Z
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@i @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage Dovecot is a POP3/IMAP server THOUGH.
(DIR) Post #B0c5fdpmsewcgUSkKm by i@declin.eu
2025-11-25T19:15:34.447451Z
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@mangeurdenuage @bonifartius maybe so, but worse is better for the normies on ios who installed it, scanned my qr code, and never had it fail sincepeople will write leaner clients when there's a need for them, at least the foundation is there for them to be created after
(DIR) Post #B0c5huBF4rI9xZZrDE by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-11-25T19:16:01.236056Z
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@i @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage Their thing is also horrible to install on anything that isn't Debian and explicitly Debian 12.
(DIR) Post #B0c5kBW1b2hCIrNwgK by i@declin.eu
2025-11-25T19:16:23.214852Z
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@mint @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage yeah my bad, postfix for the mta
(DIR) Post #B0c5mrCxYW50Bnk40m by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-11-25T19:16:54.403434Z
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@i @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage At least it is completely unnecessary and only a good-to-have on a server install.
(DIR) Post #B0c5nceDB0nzJvqzVw by bonifartius@qoto.org
2025-11-25T19:17:02Z
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@mangeurdenuage i cut jami some slack for being gnu adjacent ;)i really have no idea why these things HAVE to be bloat. can't be the features. maybe it's just collected cargo cult of a decade, still i wonder how the devs can think "this is fine".
(DIR) Post #B0c5v6PMvSdJeGTgnY by i@declin.eu
2025-11-25T19:18:22.297122Z
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@phnt @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage someone will write a single static binary version eventually, let he who doesn't run a single vm/container cast the first stone at them for targeting a single distro
(DIR) Post #B0c61Qo3zxJ2eN2wiG by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-11-25T19:19:32.457296Z
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@i @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage There are two different implementations from the original now I think. One is Mox or something like that written in Go and I forgot the name of the other one.
(DIR) Post #B0c6g5cBh0jynZsYhk by mint@ryona.agency
2025-11-25T19:26:51.542351Z
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@phnt @i @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage https://github.com/foxcpp/maddyhttps://github.com/mjl-/moxI'd probably migrate my postfix/dovecot shitheap to either of them but i'm reluctant due to both of them having the mark of fluoride that is builtin ACME client.
(DIR) Post #B0c6kpOXQUVnwNkoFM by bonifartius@qoto.org
2025-11-25T19:27:45Z
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@i @phnt @mangeurdenuage on servers i own, i don't run vms or containers :)
(DIR) Post #B0c6sJFMpqsQYJ22N6 by i@declin.eu
2025-11-25T19:29:04.405588Z
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@phnt @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage that and maddy, https://github.com/mjl-/mox/issues/251, and other basic setups like mailinabox or mailcow or yunohost without the scripting to integrate into the network publiclymost of the work is just making it alright for open access, since mailing is still so icky, maybe they'll actually do mail2000 eventually and port 25/465 won't be an immediate issue too
(DIR) Post #B0c7NVgAf7Sy5URkem by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-11-25T19:34:42.694426Z
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@mint @i @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage I don't really want to redo my email setup since I know how to get postfix/dovecot running properly now and all the quirks which come with it.>maddyNo mention of `sieve` in docs. DoA.
(DIR) Post #B0c7R1AU2leQcLIWX2 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T19:35:23.259381Z
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@i @bonifartius 10+ years ago I would have never said this.Normies should not be the ones who do configurations.I am now convinced that normies should not configure anything and let someone technically competent to do the work.Of course that doesn't mean that it's a barrier to the average joe to learn. But if they don't want to learn, stfu and pay a tech to do it, and the tech should stfu and pay the developers to maintain it.
(DIR) Post #B0c7f9OcFVSYBqeBBA by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T19:37:56.497641Z
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@bonifartius >i really have no idea why these things HAVE to be bloatJami just like delta have to be compatible with almost all OS and also web browsers.All os compatible is already heave but the moment you start webshit compatibility it just enters it's blackhole phase.>still i wonder how the devs can think "this is fine".Performances aren't an issue when you don't use hardware from 2007 :^)
(DIR) Post #B0c7mYvnhxjZPghf84 by mint@ryona.agency
2025-11-25T19:39:14.303473Z
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@phnt @i @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage The fuck is sieve.
(DIR) Post #B0c7ttlEf8dU2gG9Ka by IceCubeSoup@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T19:40:35.939015Z
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@mangeurdenuage @bonifartius TAKE IT BACK!I'm reading this thread on a laptop from 2009
(DIR) Post #B0c7v676Dm5udv3egS by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-11-25T19:40:48.054260Z
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@mint @i @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage A mail filtering language and I have multiple rulesets written in it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_(mail_filtering_language)
(DIR) Post #B0c80sraOjzrHlYpqS by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-25T19:41:52.135586Z
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@IceCubeSoup @bonifartius Lol no, disable turboost and put your scheduler on powersave.
(DIR) Post #B0c88Td06dBpKvML0C by mint@ryona.agency
2025-11-25T19:43:11.429021Z
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@phnt @i @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage At least supports milters so you could plug rspamd or something.
(DIR) Post #B0c89jul2Tjw8aGcVc by i@declin.eu
2025-11-25T19:43:26.078865Z
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@phnt @bonifartius @mint @mangeurdenuage anti spam is fediblock levels of lame for personal use anyway, accept the cheap viagra mail into your heart and all will be alright
(DIR) Post #B0c8GNRayvDSTRn9Fo by mint@ryona.agency
2025-11-25T19:44:39.102425Z
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@i @phnt @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage The only spam problem I have is on a mailbox I put in whois of .us domain that's been expired for years. Still receiving it.
(DIR) Post #B0c8TrTcdFZdNpAZTk by dcc@annihilation.social
2025-11-25T19:47:04.988889Z
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@mint @i @phnt @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage I have been geting spam from china in japanese for some reason.
(DIR) Post #B0c8Ung2FFxvt7QIsa by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-11-25T19:47:15.750079Z
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@mint @i @bonifartius @mangeurdenuage I use it for automatically moving mail into proper folders instead of dumping everything into my inbox. Spam isn't an issue for me as I don't get any.
(DIR) Post #B0cFPkVdIKvcIK61Tc by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-11-25T21:04:45.938008Z
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@meeper @mangeurdenuage i like things that work well, flatpak is not that
(DIR) Post #B0cGXC4DKlXtkENvYu by MagicMoshe@annihilation.social
2025-11-25T21:17:21.096780Z
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@dcc @mint @bonifartius @i @mangeurdenuage @phnt ching chong sing song!!!LOL.png
(DIR) Post #B0cHyXoqfT1eyrnsky by bonifartius@qoto.org
2025-11-25T21:33:28Z
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@i @phnt @mint @mangeurdenuage the most reliable way for me to reduce spam has been greylisting. RBLs did jack shit, greylisting made that i get one spam a week. apparently viagra salesmen are bad with "try again later" :)
(DIR) Post #B0dGf5Wbje8kvhOFQe by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-11-26T08:53:28.254129Z
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@phnt @mangeurdenuage Electron is proprietary software, so you should not install it.
(DIR) Post #B0dGtpvi03IkuEACRs by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-11-26T08:56:08.010019Z
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@bonifartius @i @phnt @mint @mangeurdenuage A lot of spam is delivered by poorly written SMTP scripts that do SMTP incorrectly and send to port 25 unencrypted in one shot, not bothering to re-attempt delivery.
(DIR) Post #B0dIJhGcvhXvWSqJmq by bonifartius@qoto.org
2025-11-26T09:12:00Z
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@Suiseiseki @i @phnt @mint @mangeurdenuage yup. the remaining spam if from gmail and outlook :blobcatgun:
(DIR) Post #B0dbxj7XM9kVz1OO92 by sally@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-11-26T10:08:14.259734Z
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@mangeurdenuage @bonifartius Jami is not just bloat, it's proprietary software. Don't ask me why it's a GNU project because your guess is as good as mine, it shouldn't be.
(DIR) Post #B0dbxkazs6uOYgBQhc by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-26T12:52:08.156374Z
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@sally @bonifartius Please elaborate because projects like Trisquel don't veto software that is proprietary and they build from source.
(DIR) Post #B0di1XVF5lACppgJwe by sally@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-11-26T13:49:58.598263Z
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@mangeurdenuage @bonifartius Upstream is hosted on Gitlab instead of Savannah, which requires javashit to browse. They killed their old clients and replaced them with webshit written in Microsoft Typescript, they suggest to use Docker to deploy these on their docs and distribute Winblows, iOS and Android clients. Checking any of these on the list already makes it proprietary, all of them make it absolutely proprietary, when a program is inconvenient to make it free then it means it's proprietary by spirit, shit like Jami is exactly that. Time to switch to XMPP.
(DIR) Post #B0di1XpnrJbtrbIjzc by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-11-26T14:00:02.891295Z
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@sally @bonifartius >Checking any of these on the list already makes it proprietary:aniwhat: :aniwhat: :aniwhat: >which requires javashit to browseJS is not more proprietary than you and me, it's bloated, especially gitlab, but the JS code is under GPL.>They killed their old clientsThere was a reason for that and that's because they got fucked by trademark trolls.>written in Microsoft TypescriptAnd it's under a compatible license, even the compiler.>they suggest to use Docker to deploy these on their docsYes and ? Docker isn't proprietary. It's again a design choice, an optional one in this case.> and distribute Winblows, iOS and Android clientsYes and ? The software is still GPL.I don't agree with these OS but realize that having users using free/libre software that you also have on GNU/linux makes it surprisingly easy to migrate them to a GNU/linux distro since they have little muscle memory to re learn due to the fact they can use the same software with the same GUI.