Post B0YWI5gSJiTK9ANItU by gneilyo@mastodon.online
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(DIR) Post #B0YVhZRchjNVjY1US8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T01:48:22Z
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I search: garnet ant ringSearch "corrects" it: garnet and ringI try: garnet "ant" ringSearch "corrects" it: garnet "and" ringI try: garnet "ant" ant ringSearch "corrects" it: garnet "aunt" and ringI try: garnet "ant" ant insect ant ringSearch "corrects" it: garnet "aunt" and insect ant ringThis is a wonderful technology that makes search so much easier. This was on etsy.
(DIR) Post #B0YVxIBidCz4qZ53Wi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T01:51:14Z
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This new kind of "search correction" is like some kind of horrible forced normie filter for life. You must mean whatever is more popular. And not "did you mean?" either... just not even bothering to show you the results for what you wanted to search for in the first place. It's really insulting.
(DIR) Post #B0YVzJxuzgoOwFaoVc by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T01:51:36Z
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Anti-ant bias. I'm disgusted.
(DIR) Post #B0YW4adKRzdk55TUJc by stilescrisis@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-11-24T01:52:28Z
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@futurebird There's a button to un-autocorrect.
(DIR) Post #B0YW6TEuuYdFjFx90a by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T01:52:54Z
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@stilescrisis This was not google this was on etsy.
(DIR) Post #B0YW8BjOyg060V1zF2 by octothorpe@mastodon.online
2025-11-24T01:53:09Z
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@futurebird I’ve found sometimes they totally leave off the ‘search for (exact search terms) instead’ link. Infuriating.
(DIR) Post #B0YWHChyiM0fdxfF8C by stilescrisis@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-11-24T01:54:48Z
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@futurebird Oh, my bad. Although I guess you could try "site:etsy.com" and using Google search instead.
(DIR) Post #B0YWI5gSJiTK9ANItU by gneilyo@mastodon.online
2025-11-24T01:54:51Z
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@futurebird It’s like when you hire a tour guide and they steer you towards restaurants owned by their buddies instead of the best ones in town
(DIR) Post #B0YWIxxgVsL6UEqpFI by snork303@toot.community
2025-11-24T01:54:52Z
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@futurebirdHmm. My garnet ant ring search went without a hitch on etsy. I wonder what our difference is? @stilescrisis
(DIR) Post #B0YWJRZyObCKLNzJS4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T01:55:13Z
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@stilescrisis I'm not looking for a solution I'm pointing out a flaw.
(DIR) Post #B0YWPhr4nNQCYmyRyi by stilescrisis@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-11-24T01:56:21Z
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@futurebird Yeah, gotcha
(DIR) Post #B0YWV3qATvxoC76Pei by sollat@masto.ai
2025-11-24T01:57:16Z
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@futurebird I didn’t get corrected for: ant ring garnet. It did give me almost entirely garnet rings without ants. I got one gold ring with an ant shape and one or two rings mentioning “anthill garnet”. :blobcatgooglyshrug:
(DIR) Post #B0YWa6veQVKRDl4i9o by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T01:58:15Z
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@snork303 @stilescrisis It might be because I added the relevant results to one of my lists? Because it works for me now and shows the items I added to the list with the last search first. Did you see this:
(DIR) Post #B0YWblItnaX0jOjiYS by Carolee@mastodon.scot
2025-11-24T01:58:28Z
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@futurebird I did this same search on Etsy, not to compare results but to make that search combo more common/frequent. It’s the gift I can share to combat the obnoxiousness of “smart” search. I may search for it again tomorrow, too.
(DIR) Post #B0YWkwVJWfYI4fvAP2 by Tooden@aus.social
2025-11-24T02:00:08Z
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@futurebird I know right? I have found that - if I actually find what I was looking for, the Chatbot will 'find' it, too.
(DIR) Post #B0YX4SHfapbC8kqM7s by snork303@toot.community
2025-11-24T02:03:39Z
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@futurebirdYes indeed. But like we've seen, maybe the fact that several of us have trained the snart search to behave by performing it in succession. @stilescrisis
(DIR) Post #B0YY5X9l3y7NUmDlHE by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-11-24T02:15:05Z
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@futurebird if i try to search on my own name "ben royce"it corrects it to "beyonce"i can't say i have a problem with it
(DIR) Post #B0YY9sCCmSuVuGR0wC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T02:15:54Z
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@benroyce I like you a lot but that is kind of an upgrade. 😆 It's still annoying though.
(DIR) Post #B0YYNR20ZfSfiB8FIu by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-11-24T02:18:19Z
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@futurebird
(DIR) Post #B0YYW0tZ7KoTG3H10K by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T02:19:54Z
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This is an example of what the search correction was hiding from me:https://www.etsy.com/listing/1102303353/garnet-buoy-ant-1-surfing-ant?It's a sculpture of a **surfing ant** with a garnet for her abdomen. I deserve to see this. LMAO. Who else should see this exactly?I wonder if this "feature" is helping sales much? Seems like it's making the best thing etsy can offer, you know, stuff you can't find anywhere else, harder to find.
(DIR) Post #B0YZJZEMFQm1w8czui by Laukidh@infosec.exchange
2025-11-24T02:28:51Z
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@futurebird the other day I tried to look up how underwater tunnels are built, and every answer was Minecraft
(DIR) Post #B0YZT6kN0KXgUZ9PMW by funkula@goblin.camp
2025-11-24T02:30:33Z
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@futurebird I frequently talk about this as search abandoning the concept of delivering what the user wants in favor of trying to mold the user to want what it's willing to give. I wish I believed this was incompetence rather than a malicious attempt to reshape people into more docile and lucrative consumers/subjects, but at this point I really think big tech has undeniably shown they are out to control, not serve, the public
(DIR) Post #B0YZrQVdBEmOjXqvke by foxylad@mastodon.nz
2025-11-24T02:34:51Z
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@futurebird I use #Kagi. I know it costs money, but it's worth it.
(DIR) Post #B0YZy6luxfnbXwemcC by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T02:36:12Z
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@funkula It gives me the same sad feeling I get when I hear people talking about how much they "depend" on an LLM. But... it's just sanding all of the difference out of everything. Doesn't that make you sad too? Doesn't it feel gross to get any sense of validation from such a source?One woman said she didn't want to bother real people with all her insecure questions. It's just sad all around.
(DIR) Post #B0YaMPgiHe4LACoPE8 by LJ@zirk.us
2025-11-24T02:34:59Z
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@funkula @futurebird it's infuriating. I'm a fiction writer. I often search for specific things & the computer overlords are sure I'm looking for something else.
(DIR) Post #B0YaMQF6DnZgsqtrpA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T02:40:32Z
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@LJ @funkula It triggers some kind of deep annoyances that go back to childhood for me. That feeling of being told "no you don't want THAT"
(DIR) Post #B0Yb4eXgPtgjyWgQTY by swope@mstdn.plus
2025-11-24T02:48:33Z
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@futurebirdDid this Etsy creator follow a DIY SEO guide, but they got the sign wrong on the optimization?
(DIR) Post #B0YbA2DLpdsiqBju9g by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T02:49:33Z
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@swope I was searching the whole site? But whatever they have done to the search it's very annoying.
(DIR) Post #B0YbPEldRV1e7J1aNM by swope@mstdn.plus
2025-11-24T02:52:17Z
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@futurebirdI tried with duckduckgo, and after one around of "did you mean..." I saw an image of the ring on a Etsy link, but when I clicked it I only saw normal rings. DDG failed differently.
(DIR) Post #B0Yf7ZRFXMRivHCNVI by gdinwiddie@mastodon.social
2025-11-24T03:33:53Z
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@futurebird @stilescrisis I gave up (quickly) on Etsy years ago when they wanted me to create an account just to browse what people were selling there. Since they didn't want to let me browse, I've never bought anything there.
(DIR) Post #B0YjQRpoQpRCetwcwy by mhoemmen@c.im
2025-11-24T04:22:07Z
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@futurebird google seems to reject boolean search queries (e.g., the minus sign before a word)
(DIR) Post #B0YjjXk4gyMOTyMlO4 by Jestbill@mastodon.world
2025-11-24T04:25:33Z
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@futurebird Try etsy garnet "ant" ring -anthill -hillon https://udm14.com/ ???Might work.
(DIR) Post #B0YjmGeEhj6gKnvzFY by GustavinoBevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.org
2025-11-24T04:26:03Z
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@futurebird Some years ago on eBay I found a Woodruff key — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_(engineering)#Woodruff_key — translated in Italian as "stellina odorosa", the common Italian name of the woodruff plant — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galium_odoratum :blob_dizzy_face: I don't think this can help sales…
(DIR) Post #B0Ym45P1S8aGZvRUoK by raphaelmorgan@disabled.social
2025-11-24T04:51:39Z
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@futurebird then what's even the fucking point of the quotes 😭 why the fuck do they think you would put quotes if you wanted to search for something else
(DIR) Post #B0Yrzo0Ao2TRB4A4sC by GracelessHippo@mastodon.ie
2025-11-24T05:58:08Z
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@futurebirdI've had so many experiences like this recently. It
(DIR) Post #B0YxqzbGuiMAGfh9LE by randulo@mastodon.social
2025-11-24T07:03:45Z
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@futurebird I ried Find garnet ant ring and got ithttps://www.perplexity.ai/search/find-garnet-ant-ring-R4PhGlaITSeCpmHZQoUcKA
(DIR) Post #B0Z6nKFJ6vFGjEkPDc by maysonic@twit.social
2025-11-24T08:43:57Z
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@futurebird Kagi popped this beauty up in response to garnet ant ring -anthill https://www.madelinedtmg.com/product/silver-ant-signet-with-garnet-and-sapphire
(DIR) Post #B0ZJTApPiLt38IMCo4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:06:02Z
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@funkula Sometimes I feel very confident that the possible social and economic impact of AI is being overblown because so much of it is like a toy whose novelty wears off. I remember that people talked to the chat bot ELIZA for many hours before growing bored with it and seeing the limitations. But, I do wonder if I'm just wrong. Maybe there are a lot of people who will want to use LLMs a lot and they will never stop. And it will slowly start to shape our world.
(DIR) Post #B0ZJUo47Jif1790sFM by Cheeseness@mastodon.social
2025-11-24T11:06:16Z
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@futurebird @funkula I can't say whether it's by design or not, but I haven't help but feel that either way, this sort of still will have the end result of isolating and disempowering so many people.For platform vendors, that kind of dependency is an asset. For societies, it is poison, I think.
(DIR) Post #B0ZJfM8fUItdgeAk8e by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:08:14Z
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@funkula I don't think any serious person really believes in the AGI fairy-tale anymore. "The machine will learn to improve itself and become god like!"But there is a softer version of LLMs growing to dominate our world. If a significant portion of the population decides to treat these systems like their best friend and confidant all of those people become very easy to manipulate. And this is exactly how the people creating these systems expect to cash in. Forget traditional advertising.
(DIR) Post #B0ZJoyDDIkfINKsmy8 by mhstoixeiwmenopip@kafeneio.social
2025-11-24T11:09:55Z
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@futurebird @funkula it's inescapable at this point... and every time I have the energy to say something about people telling me "juSt Use ChAtGPT" it gets sucked straight out of me the moment I have to deal with the most ignorant ass retorts. "BuHh doEsN'T SeArChinG oNLinE ALreAdY uSe EnErgY?" ohhhhmyyygoooood RELEASE ME
(DIR) Post #B0ZK0PJmrWCNd2PY9I by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:12:04Z
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@funkula I have recently been feeling very self-conscious and dissatisfied with the interior design of my apartment. I've posted about it a lot recently and by interacting with people on this website I've decided that I don't need to throw everything away and buy new items, I can elevate my space through organization and repairs. Where might I be if I talked to an LLM instead? I suspect I'd be thinking more about spending money. And couldn't a company pay to make that more likely to happen?
(DIR) Post #B0ZKQyxQyhWzgwcy6i by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:16:51Z
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@funkula Our political opinions, our purchasing decision, even our emotional well being are shaped by interactions with other people. Everyone rubs off on you a little. You are who you choose to talk to. Who do you become if you talk to an LLM most of all? Whoever they want you to be I suppose. And it seems likely that the LLMs are already design to at least keep people using the product. So the first brainwashing is "I'm the best one to talk to" then "Only I can really understand you."
(DIR) Post #B0ZKvQcShGZWAdKsXQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:22:20Z
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@funkula I *could* be convinced that I "need" to spend 10k on a bathroom renovation. But the people in my life: my family, my friends, their needs and values but also the people I choose to interact with online can make that rather large decision go the other way. If I wanted to sell things to people and didn't have morals I'd want them ONLY talking to my LLMs and those LLMs would work on the assumption that buying my product was normal and essential. Why doesn't this scare people more?
(DIR) Post #B0ZLAWMtbYH8LPFfE0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:25:04Z
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@funkula I think a lot of people will swear up and down that no advertisement, no online content or social media could ever have a large impact on their real decisions or values. Because to admit this is possible is to admit vulnerability. The same kind of vulnerability that might make someone say "I don't want to bother anyone with my boring concerns, I will just ask the LLM"Please for the love of god: bother us.
(DIR) Post #B0ZLLyZB6ZyAz6SUwS by katzenberger@tldr.nettime.org
2025-11-24T11:27:07Z
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@futurebirdI wish you were right. Sadly, I believe that enabling people to become lazy and to get away with it is a winning strategy.It's useless to point out how awfully misleading and wrong LLM output is, or what psychological and societal effects it has. Once you start arguing along this line, you'll get a "Nothing is perfect"-flavored reply, in return. End of discussion.The only way to stop this digital microplastics from is to not accept it, to fight it.@funkula
(DIR) Post #B0ZLZxZrZwfpyIRmsa by promovicz@chaos.social
2025-11-24T11:29:34Z
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@futurebird I believe, people think they’re being manipulated “anyway”, and it “won’t get much worse” - but it can get a 100 times worse. We westerners just aren’t used to those considerations…
(DIR) Post #B0ZLcctkv5cshm1VIG by rhelune@todon.eu
2025-11-24T11:30:06Z
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@futurebird @funkula It would most likely make up non-existing products. I asked it who made vegan Mozartkugeln and it listed 7 companies which did not make them and didn't list the 1 that did. That's why I stopped talking to it in early 2023. The easiest way to alienate me is to promise a tasty treat and not deliver 😡(Though, like with made up python libraries, malicious actors could start producing what LLMs hallucinate.)#AI #noAI #LLM #LLMs
(DIR) Post #B0ZLojnh5E0ZaRxlbs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:32:20Z
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@promovicz I mean. "we are already being manipulated" is already true. One of the reasons I started thinking about renovation is due to all of the interior design videos and magazines enjoy. And these all have an undercurrent of "renovate and spend" because ... well, consider who makes them. But that was easier for me to compartmentalize than a conversation. If everyone on here was posting about their renovation it WOULD make me wonder "why can't I do that too?" and "should I do that?"
(DIR) Post #B0ZM2oRCdfjs1V9dFw by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:34:50Z
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@promovicz This copycat, monkey see, monkey do, instinct is very real and strong in all people. It's part of how our minds work. I also think there is an aspect of modern (American?) individualism that says that if you can be influenced in that way you are weak willed and terrible. This is very silly. Of course what you see other people doing has a direct impact on what you do. No man is a rock.
(DIR) Post #B0ZM9i3wjvRiHJZ6Qa by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:36:07Z
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@tankgrrl @funkula But there aren't people still using Eliza now in any great numbers. And didn't Eliza "power users" grow tired of it eventually? Will those charmed by LLMs eventually grow tired and see the limitations?I want to say yes. But I don't really know.
(DIR) Post #B0ZMkcSWXKaxc6f2OG by gbargoud@masto.nyc
2025-11-24T11:42:46Z
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@futurebird @funkula Ok the topic of organization:My apartment comes with basement storage (5 apartment brownstone so the basement is divided in 5 zones and each unit gets one)Something I did recently which has undeniably made my life better was measure the shelves in my apartment and basement, find a box that would fit well on those shelves and buy 40 of that box.Now moving things around is super easy and a bunch of previously unusable shelf space opened up
(DIR) Post #B0ZMmUASKp4GTf6FKi by ThreeSigma@mastodon.online
2025-11-24T11:43:06Z
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@futurebird @funkula Personally, I’m not too scared because it’s not sustainable. LLM providers are losing money hand over fist. They need to dramatically increase pricing to break even, and their costs don’t go down with more volume of users.It only survives as either a luxury product OR it manages to replace human labor, in which case the economy disintegrates.
(DIR) Post #B0ZMwOzORWdnJReayO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:44:56Z
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@gbargoud @funkula Our coop has basement storage units. But there is a waiting list to get to rent one. I have been on the waiting list for 16 years. Any day now!(Getting the right general storage box is more important that people think. I am considering a closet unit as a possible solution. But I have a lot of thinking to do about how that will work.)
(DIR) Post #B0ZN7MQ8KkTqX0O2QC by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T11:46:56Z
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@futurebird marketing: an industry that believes they get to decide what you are looking for, and then, in an act of towering dishonesty and monumental hypocrisy, blames you for buying it.
(DIR) Post #B0ZNCT1HE3xARiCABk by gbargoud@masto.nyc
2025-11-24T11:47:49Z
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@futurebird @funkula At least a couple of our closets/cabinets are L shaped and so some stuff is completely inaccessible unless we use boxes that can be pulled out of the leg of the L
(DIR) Post #B0ZOyqBqTvOkA6ljCy by promovicz@chaos.social
2025-11-24T12:07:46Z
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@futurebird This reminds me of gender - because a lot of it is learned by mimicry. Cis gender is - more or less - the culture of rejecting that idea.
(DIR) Post #B0ZP8VDJKHUA073r9c by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-24T12:09:29Z
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@promovicz I would think that being cis gender would be *not* rejecting the way the world suggests that you play along? I'm confused.
(DIR) Post #B0ZPI6SSDq8a7Niqrg by promovicz@chaos.social
2025-11-24T12:11:10Z
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@futurebird For me it's not about "rejecting" society's rules, but about "accepting" feminine ideas from women and my girlfriends. From my perspective, it's cis people who reject "normality" because of quasi-religious ideas about gender.
(DIR) Post #B0ZXRxi8Oj1fWDGj56 by edgeofeurope@mastodon.social
2025-11-24T13:42:39Z
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@futurebird And all the translations, how I hate them. I could search better for stuff because I know four languages besides English. Not anymore! I search for something in German *specifically to find such a thing in Germany* but noooo, your first 300 results are in 'Mericuh cuz fuck your European linguistic arrogance.
(DIR) Post #B0ZYBPw4J0Zu5TSe2K by graydon@canada.masto.host
2025-11-24T13:50:51Z
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@futurebird There's a distribution across internally sourced, externally sourced, and inherent self-esteem.We're seeing is the end-state of advertising; advertising exists to create or increase an insecurity, so you'll spend money to fix it. (The _idea_ of advertising, never mind any particular implementation, is malicious.) And if you want to collect rent from advertising, you have to create people who can't function without continuous exchange trading lifespan for reassurance.@funkula
(DIR) Post #B0ZZ7dmIztldoaep0q by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2025-11-24T14:01:16Z
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@futurebird Yeah, search correction as standard suggestion is fine as many people will make a typo, but search engines not respecting the order to search strictly for the exact word you put in quotes is infuriating.
(DIR) Post #B0ZpQKfXrocNJmQjmS by MCDuncanLab@mstdn.social
2025-11-24T17:03:59Z
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@futurebird @funkula If you want organization tips for bathrooms, use containers to keep things upright and make use of vertical space in drawers. It looks tidy, and you can fit a lot more in a drawer. I think one of the things that frustrate people about bathrooms is all of the clutter.It doesn't have to be anything fancy. I initially organized with tampon boxes, but slowly replaced those with fancier containers, like old jars, useless Tupperware, and take-away soup containers 🤣
(DIR) Post #B0cTPeXyrPlbA52hpw by hosford42@techhub.social
2025-11-25T23:41:33Z
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@futurebird I absolutely *hate* it when auto-incorrect "fixes" something I wrote over and over. Take the effing hint, you damn machine! If I backspace and undo even once, that should be enough!
(DIR) Post #B0dK20HZgzYrC2ydpA by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-11-26T09:31:08Z
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@futurebird @funkula@goblin.camp it's maddening knowing how things work and not being able to explain how without people feeling insulted. like ffs be insulted at how you're being manipulated by grifters, not because i know something you don't and i'm trying to resolve the difference by bringing you up to parity.
(DIR) Post #B0eYUerK14HBfEDOro by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-11-26T23:47:55Z
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@forestine Ugh