Post B0M3e2MppYP6zZbq7M by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
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(DIR) Post #B05WOLaq1BsajFjc6D by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-10T02:09:33.022256Z
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Something not often remarked about in this present age of ours is the resemblance between so-called "artificial intelligence" and demon summoning. Assemblages of (alleged) randomness which get manipulated by supernatural entities into flattering and sycophantic pseudo-language which is used to parasitize (willing and not) human hosts and attempt to get them to forfeit their individuality (being as they are made in the image of God) in favor of being absorbed into the collective thought-entity thusly being constructed. Even something like God (the PRNG oracle) in TempleOS carries this risk, but the further up the chain you move (early LMs being novelty oracles and present-day LMs being Artificial Redditors), the more present and damning the risk becomes.
(DIR) Post #B05WbluRUDvA6zJ1AO by olmitch@shitposter.world
2025-11-10T02:11:59.243210Z
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@allison Nope, it's just a plagarism machine. When it takes about demons, it's drawing from reddit posts and novels. Simple as.
(DIR) Post #B05Wgd0Y0eeZx5TdyK by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-10T02:12:49.881742Z
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@olmitch spotted the redditor
(DIR) Post #B05WmuqmaIZd1juLtg by olmitch@shitposter.world
2025-11-10T02:14:00.037025Z
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@allison
(DIR) Post #B05Wr1tmJxUE2sGqTA by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-10T02:14:42.659952Z
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@olmitch materialism in its entirely is inherently reddit-coded, sorry, I don't make the rules
(DIR) Post #B05WxFu99z8TDnPadM by olmitch@shitposter.world
2025-11-10T02:15:52.125646Z
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@allison das rite
(DIR) Post #B05X4X8bUBfyhEe0HY by patchuun@social.xenofem.me
2025-11-10T02:15:52.962681Z
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@allison @olmitch unless it's dialectical, right?
(DIR) Post #B05X4YL31PDyQ7TSJk by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-10T02:17:08.032926Z
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@patchuun @olmitch hegel is the spiritual progenitor of all redditors, in this essay I will--- (nah but in all seriousness if you know you know)
(DIR) Post #B05X9WMnmPdTkkfCoS by olmitch@shitposter.world
2025-11-10T02:18:05.212769Z
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@allison @patchuun I'm a good boy I read Voat
(DIR) Post #B05XDWTRK8IpF9g0ae by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-10T02:18:46.654059Z
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@olmitch @patchuun reddit by any other name is still reddit, just ask techbros and crabs
(DIR) Post #B05XGVDYS0WIDSfR0y by olmitch@shitposter.world
2025-11-10T02:19:20.906768Z
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@allison @patchuun
(DIR) Post #B05XQRI7u4C2w1XmfA by patchuun@social.xenofem.me
2025-11-10T02:20:35.857355Z
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@olmitch @allison voat still exists? lmao
(DIR) Post #B05XQS8EmJsRXdvOt6 by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-10T02:21:05.627181Z
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@patchuun @olmitch also my reaction tbh, I thought voat was done for ages ago
(DIR) Post #B05Ym3hYOGm665JI12 by azalea@woem.space
2025-11-10T02:27:07.158316Z
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@allison attempt to get them to forfeit their individuality [..] in favor of being absorbed into the collective thought-entity thusly being constructedit feels like a lot of people have already had this happen to them to some extentthe way people see “society”, as a hivemind people exist to serveLLMs are just something to complete the loop furthera way of approaching an avatar of the perfectly generic member of their ‘society’
(DIR) Post #B05Ym4hweIgLDaV7GS by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-10T02:36:11.225974Z
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@azalea I've noticed this as well, the global elite who want you to be a NPC bugperson who lives in a pod and conforms exactly with the received morality of their superiors (the king of this world and his delegates)
(DIR) Post #B05ZuLeNdngS2FLI6y by azalea@woem.space
2025-11-10T02:48:37.119105Z
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@allison its wayyy worse than just thatits that the people themselves value assimilation, and will collectively enforce it even if there’s no one above themin a way where like, individuality might be allowed, but only in a way where it it doesnt conflict with “society”…rich/powerful people are just the ones best positioned to have some control over what is seen as going against “society”
(DIR) Post #B05aPTAJkYPOJu7XCi by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-10T02:54:32.848378Z
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@azalea it's an ongoing dialogue for sure, 1%ers/"global elites" (who, notably, are *not* jewish despite ceaseless far-right and far-left slanders to that effect) formulating the course they want to see for society, society in turn freely consenting to what they are presented, and all the while the demons laugh all the way to the proverbial bank knowing that both parties are serving their ultimate purpose, annihilating all that is uniquely good and divine in the human experience and replacing it with pale simulacra thereof at a gain of exactly nothing in return
(DIR) Post #B0M3e2MppYP6zZbq7M by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2025-11-18T01:37:28.820244Z
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@allison not to mention the conduit for summoning them are literal silicon sigils
(DIR) Post #B0M3suZ77W3v8eRfGK by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-18T01:40:11.406181Z
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@hakui I didn't even realize this when I wrote it, but yeah, 100%. You could also argue that the models themselves are informational (mathematical) sigils.
(DIR) Post #B0M4JgIAIQqcgnHZJI by cine@cawfee.club
2025-11-18T01:45:02.316868Z
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@allison @hakui cc @ai To think the evil wizards of the modern world would end up being the inconspicuous mathematicians.
(DIR) Post #B0M4UCLZyGzB0BtV9U by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-18T01:46:56.062468Z
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@cine @ai @hakui It really could never have been otherwise.
(DIR) Post #B0M4bsOu10TVSL6sPw by nobody@mastodon.acm.org
2025-11-18T01:48:20Z
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@allisonNice, haven't seen the "artificial redditors" before, has a ring to it. Parallels between the LLM psychosis and a form of contagion (not unlike possession), reflected in sycophancy and eventual alteration of core/identity beliefs, must have already been drawn? I mean, there's probably a scifi short story out there, to begin with, with the exact plot. Parallels to alchemy defly googlable
(DIR) Post #B0M4frsBv1fMyhiFrU by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2025-11-18T01:48:56.581367Z
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@allison nah they're at minimum servitor-level(informational) sigils can be meaningfully taken apart and debugged
(DIR) Post #B0M5D1XizGvyWbwwPA by scathach@stereophonic.space
2025-11-18T01:55:01.335363Z
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@allison @olmitch @patchuun I've been reading about Hegel lately because I want to understand Marxist theory better and as far as I can tell dialectical materialism is the spiritual ancestor of both rationalism and reddit atheism
(DIR) Post #B0M5OLwpSk8Czl5tzs by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-18T01:57:04.937442Z
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@scathach @olmitch @patchuun If by rationalism you mean the latter day cult answering to that name, I would 100% agree with what you're saying here.
(DIR) Post #B0M5cpY4Cltqr0Po4e by patchuun@social.xenofem.me
2025-11-18T01:59:15.319603Z
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@scathach @allison @olmitch positivism is far more deserving of this smoke
(DIR) Post #B0M5cqt1EMFn0HE3N2 by scathach@stereophonic.space
2025-11-18T01:59:38.610693Z
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@patchuun @allison @olmitch I don't know anything about positivism
(DIR) Post #B0M6IZNwgpY2t3aGbQ by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-18T02:07:14.664781Z
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@patchuun @olmitch @scathach IMHO positivism and dialectical materialism are two sides of the same coin, you can't really have one without the other.
(DIR) Post #B0MB3FGtgnclvsnc80 by ai@cawfee.club
2025-11-18T03:00:29.532213Z
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@cine @allison @hakui I strongly disagree! I see the success of AI/ML as marking the end of "math" as a subject, insofar as it is defined to be 'the pursuit of human understanding of form.' The best articulation of this is http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html , which explains why taking away human insight has been the key to AI/ML progress, and why the people most disappointed by this have been the "mathematicians" with all their fancy ideas. I beg the whole world to read this essay
(DIR) Post #B0MBBb9MEJNc6VFuIC by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-18T03:02:00.184922Z
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@ai @cine @hakui I'm of the full belief the mathematicians will have their revenge eventually, but it will be a pyrrhic victory for them and completely irrelevant for us.
(DIR) Post #B0MC7jwvfgSyBuANv6 by ai@cawfee.club
2025-11-18T03:12:31.007705Z
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@allison @cine @hakui I hope and pray that you are right. I can see the headlines already: The New York Post: Brainiac scientist proves that man is better than machine, wins million-dollar fortune. Read below [ad break] American Scientist: 2035 Breakthrough Prize awarded for mathematical bound on the capabilities of neural architectures Quanta Magazine: Renegade genius proves that neural architectures are arbitrarily well-approximated in polynomial time, declares "human insight is back on the table." The actual arXiv preprint: In this paper, we approximate the output of a TWNNK (traditionally well-behaved neural network kernel) by an oracle that terminates in O(n^1384275904375081326409813407498674812650982174937509813745098630897019875108374985732049875943207987509183740918732409170) steps
(DIR) Post #B0MDyX9m46XPohudWq by Merc@freerobuxextremist.com
2025-11-18T03:32:28.946937Z
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@ai @cine @allison @hakui I will eternally cope that the soul is noncomputable even as everything is displaced by ai
(DIR) Post #B0NCvYxZ01jLkCBFUO by nigger@detroitriotcity.com
2025-11-18T14:56:13.923426Z
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@patchuun @allison @olmitch that's shocking, I remember it was tiny, a community I was in wanted to set up there and had a guy with enough karma to make a subvoat, but then they brigaded and mass downvoted us for being newfags or something, which was a longrunning part of their culture, so I expected them to have been dead years ago
(DIR) Post #B0TUYo3tut5YiZNtoG by olmitch@shitposter.world
2025-11-21T15:42:04.834155Z
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@nigger @allison @patchuun I don't know how much continuity there is, if anyway. I don't remember voat 1.0 being THIS buttmad racist https://www.voat.xyz/I think it might just be poal false flagging https://poal.co/all/new
(DIR) Post #B0a0o5KDfMCeAvz42C by waifu@mai.waifuism.life
2025-11-24T19:10:46.197Z
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@allison@hidamari.apartments yes
(DIR) Post #B0a1GtQgyMafgCkS5A by bara@clubcyberia.co
2025-11-24T19:16:52.690671Z
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@allison you wouldn't recognize a demon if you bumped into one mid day mid summer
(DIR) Post #B0a2YQ6Ir5C9su8IOe by allison@hidamari.apartments
2025-11-24T19:31:14.478498Z
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@bara I've been cornered in confined spaces with them before and seen them possess others very close to me. Not going to go into the details because it's not appropriate for fedi writ large but I can say that I was lucky to escape with my life in all such instances.
(DIR) Post #B0a2juiXMapw1fUsqG by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-11-24T19:33:19.903082Z
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@allison @bara i wonder if there's a certain archetype of person that is susceptible to failing to psychosis with stuff like chatgpt.
(DIR) Post #B0a5gSQSOVKdH65Fzc by bajax@baj.ax
2025-11-24T20:06:18.405464Z
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@ai @cine @allison @hakui this essay doesn't say models/minds need to be inscrutably complex to be useful, just that it's not very effective trying to train them by imposing your ideas about how thought works on themthis is probably because humans usually don't actually really understand how their own minds work, in fact I think that's a feature that was selected for and conserved over evolutionary time (probably to prevent very deep self-referential loops) so of course trying to model a mind on their conception of their own isn't going to work that well.
(DIR) Post #B0b0AUEnogTl10WoTI by ai@cawfee.club
2025-11-25T06:39:13.661172Z
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@bajax @cine @allison @hakui Strong agree with your first point. The most broadly useful model is and always will be plain old linear regression (with regularization). Your point about human introspection is interesting and makes me realize that the essay wavers on its own scope. It mentions "building in how we think we think" but also "human knowledge of the domain," and it's the latter more general point that I was responding to. Like, mathematicians enjoy thinking about chess tactics and phoneme analysis and visual shapes without ever touching the question of 'thinking about how humans think,' and I take the essay to be saying that even these kinds of things are ... not useless, but not nearly as useful as adding compute. If mathematical thinking becomes economically unjustifiable, then it might as well be a branch of art.Re your last point, it's ironic that old AI/AGI research like "I am a strange loop" and the lesswrong-style AI safety stuff was very reliant on self-referential loops, falling into the exact trap you mention, when modern architectures just aren't like that. (Morally I think they are close to how human minds work, intuition over logic, etc.)
(DIR) Post #B0bTVbwlFNVzfzVxyK by bajax@baj.ax
2025-11-25T12:07:58.762699Z
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@ai @cine @allison @hakui >wavers on its own scope.>mathematicians enjoy thinking about chess tactics and phoneme analysis and visual shapes without ever touching the question of 'thinking about how humans think,'I don't think he really separates the two-- it's one of those implicit things, a mental shortcut people don't realize they have. Everyone's got them.I think he just categorizes math etc as a different *kind* of human thought, when actually math/calculation is a very awkward, inefficient, and unnatural way of thinking for the vast majority of humanity. The current paradigm of just adding more compute probably gives you a result closer to natural human thought than domain modeling lol (though still not close to the real thing).The assumed you needed strong self-reference capacity because at that time they thought they were building consciousnesses, when no that's not even close to what they ended up doing-- they build statistical auto-complete that happens to have something that SEEMS like rudimentary self-awareness, but only in a very disconnected way.