Post AziX9aNA3n7dn6CtCS by AVincentInSpace@furry.engineer
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(DIR) Post #Azi8nfl4xQrLDwPcxc by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T19:26:14Z
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the best time to do win32 development is when microsoft's entire cloud has shit the bed
(DIR) Post #Azi8rBTvT2fcTs40US by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T19:26:36Z
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gotta pull out my visual studio 6 MSDN CD because the online stuff keeps timing out
(DIR) Post #Azi8uy4BHqi424pGUK by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T19:27:11Z
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and lets see if the internet archive has WinObj, because sysinternals is not responding
(DIR) Post #Azi8zX0PKGqRYKEkOe by gsuberland@chaos.social
2025-10-29T19:28:21Z
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@foone yeah azure is cooked right now
(DIR) Post #Azi936tKMN5diedEBM by StumpyTheMutt@social.linux.pizza
2025-10-29T19:28:35Z
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@foone I still have one of those somewhere
(DIR) Post #Azi9AhaUK4sdYcRKi0 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T19:30:25Z
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I'm just trying to read sectors off a floppy drive that's not mounted because it doesn't have a FAT12 filesystem! surely this is an everyday occurrence in windows 11, why is this so hard?
(DIR) Post #Azi9GluLAoAmh4cUr2 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T19:31:35Z
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ah-ha! r"\\.\GLOBALROOT\Device\Floppy0"
(DIR) Post #Azi9mU1lBgGqVPDBMu by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T19:37:19Z
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I'm benchmarking how long it takes to read a floppy disk, for my video player. test one is calling read(512) 2880 times
(DIR) Post #AziAGw3pWZk88YhUiO by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T19:42:46Z
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305 seconds, that's five minutes.My video is 252s/floppy, so that's sub-retime. NOT GOOD
(DIR) Post #AziBK5mpv6eB7loy7U by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T19:54:31Z
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@gloriouscow oh certainly. I'm just trying to experimentally find the sweet spot for this specific USB floppy drive
(DIR) Post #AziC8QQlRMR1d6UuWG by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:03:42Z
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½kb: 305s 1kb: 161s 2kb: 89s 4kb: 58s 8kb: 42s 16kb: 34s 32kb: 30s 64kb: 28s 128kb: 28s 256kb: 28s 512kb: 28s1024kb: 28s1440kb: 28s
(DIR) Post #AziCD4hje58Ph8eWxM by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:04:32Z
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That's speeds on a Teac FD-05PUW
(DIR) Post #AziCHnNJVFtXOeLrIu by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:05:03Z
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@gloriouscow @cr1901 excessively garbo, imo
(DIR) Post #AziCLVEOu3QYHbwzLM by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-10-29T20:05:29Z
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@foone [watching a ripped youtube video]Please insert disk 7 of 643.
(DIR) Post #AziCSdRokkmvnDcwca by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:07:23Z
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a reasonable thing to do would be to adjust my video bitrate so that it stores something like 45-60s instead of 252s, since I can read one disk every 28s.this'd get me MAXIMUM VIDEO QUALITY at the expense of increasing the video size from 12 floppies to 51-68
(DIR) Post #AziCuklx75YQcPS8Ui by cr1901@mastodon.social
2025-10-29T20:10:55Z
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@gloriouscow @foone Yea, I think the 1.2 format is a Japanese 3.5" format. _AFAIK_, UFI does not support 5.25" disks at all.
(DIR) Post #AziCulnlHqazoJJ5xA by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:12:23Z
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@cr1901 @gloriouscow it doesn't, yeah. the USB floppy support is 3.5" disks only.
(DIR) Post #AziDDNWzkQs22UL02C by jernej__s@infosec.exchange
2025-10-29T20:15:10Z
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@foone Use dd for Windows? It has a nice --list command, too.
(DIR) Post #AziDDOI8v8aIOiOeWW by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:15:44Z
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@jernej__s I I need to integrate it with a python script, so calling the win32 api makes more sense here
(DIR) Post #AziDGyBPvv74a8xPrU by TomF@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-10-29T20:16:14Z
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@foone Don't you need to factor in disk-swap time, or are you assuming at least 2 floppy drives? Although then how much time are you actually WATCHING the video if you're constantly switching disks?
(DIR) Post #AziDX9IsM82nhjA2Eq by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:19:21Z
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@TomF I was factoring 15-30s per disk swap time
(DIR) Post #AziDmHBtJTngVh6hZw by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:22:04Z
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Greaseweazle + TEAC FD-235HF:default settings: 97s--revs 1: 66s
(DIR) Post #AziDqmeEIZFHENVlz6 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:22:49Z
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@gloriouscow @cr1901 do you know what happens if you try to read a DMF disk in a USB floppy drive?
(DIR) Post #AziDx3pLL6GwFUhdoW by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:24:03Z
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that makes sense. The USB Teac is a 2X drive, so it's running the disk at 600 RPM instead of the intended 300 RPM, and it gets roughly twice the speed.
(DIR) Post #AziE2Sb4fmuSWFbTaC by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:25:05Z
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there are 4x drives, but they're rare and I think they've mainly been used inside mavicas
(DIR) Post #AziEDUqedvnEge9ZpY by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:27:02Z
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@gloriouscow @cr1901 it depends on the drive! even outwardly identical drives can do different things. the options I've seen:1. can't recognize it at all2. can read it, but only up to 1.44mb3. can read it all4. can seemingly read it all, but all sectors above 1.44mb are copies of the last sector before the 1.44mb barrier
(DIR) Post #AziEGw9TaMPSEhb7Eu by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:27:14Z
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@gloriouscow you can, should, and must
(DIR) Post #AziEKyjxu48vQGamp6 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:28:05Z
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I've got one but I'm not gonna build a video player that runs off a camera, that's just silly.
(DIR) Post #AziEPKUixoNg3BXQYK by whitequark@mastodon.social
2025-10-29T20:28:05Z
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@foone i did not realize there were 2x floppy drives!!
(DIR) Post #AziEPLkMJATtvxrQYq by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:28:46Z
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@whitequark 2x and 4x! and I've heard of custom designed models for specialist applications that went up to 32x (I believe it had 4 separate floppy heads, arranged at 90 degree intervals)
(DIR) Post #AziEfT30vnzZD7Gvpo by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:32:06Z
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@gloriouscow exceptionally unreliable in my experience. a bunch of floppy drives via usb rarely works.
(DIR) Post #AziEk0ljUxjCxBM73A by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:32:52Z
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but it's good to know I have plenty of headroom on this 2x drive. even if the user takes a full minute to find and insert the next floppy disk, I can load it fast enough to keep the video going
(DIR) Post #AziEnOHAYY3gjCffZA by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:33:22Z
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next step would obviously be to measure how long it takes me to swap through 12 floppy disks
(DIR) Post #AziEr9MXwfnvdLyknQ by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:34:03Z
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if I could instantly load the next floppy disk that'd be 336s to read all 12. obviously it's going to be more than that, but how much more?
(DIR) Post #AziEvwkEHoDjwoLMRc by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:34:23Z
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@millihertz I just fling them over my shoulder
(DIR) Post #AziEz9tJrcjZad7vk0 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:35:19Z
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maybe I'll run two tests: one with the disks sorted, and one with them shuffled.
(DIR) Post #AziEzFIfkmz8Mi1kS8 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:35:30Z
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I should mod a card shuffler to work on floppy disks
(DIR) Post #AziF6O5tSMzBfMSIXQ by babble_endanger@freeradical.zone
2025-10-29T20:36:47Z
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@foone can you blue-green two drives like a dual-clutch transmission? Swap one while the program reads from the other drive?
(DIR) Post #AziF9cX6EJaJJeiqi8 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:37:22Z
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"The 4x USB Floppy Drive is 400% faster than a typical 1x floppy drive, making it the fastest drive available today. "NOT HOW MATH WORKS
(DIR) Post #AziFDlcIOlRieC87zU by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:38:07Z
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@gloriouscow wireless floppy drive is on my todo, so I'd love to see you finish it before me (just so I don't have to do it )
(DIR) Post #AziFH90Hu1p037xju4 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:38:40Z
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@babble_endanger yeah. but I don't need to at current bitrates.
(DIR) Post #AziFKfmMV7oAZM8D6O by slaeshjag@bitbang.social
2025-10-29T20:35:12Z
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@whitequark @foone I got a 4x USB floppy drive from japan in box. It was a real quality of life upgrade.
(DIR) Post #AziFKh2LpAByTEcUfA by whitequark@mastodon.social
2025-10-29T20:37:03Z
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@slaeshjag @foone which model?
(DIR) Post #AziFKheHY8X8MsMmmm by slaeshjag@bitbang.social
2025-10-29T20:38:20Z
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@whitequark @foone @slaeshjag IO-Data USB-FDX4 https://bitbang.social/@slaeshjag/110784982140430503
(DIR) Post #AziFKiD1SyK46ccWw4 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:39:27Z
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@slaeshjag @whitequark sexy
(DIR) Post #AziFSfyvdCZhVxpFYG by log@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-10-29T20:40:43Z
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@foone 400% faster is 500% as fast.
(DIR) Post #AziFWS5lDP4vaup0gi by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:41:06Z
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@gloriouscow I was actually thinking of (I have some PCB designs somewhere) making a stand-alone floppy reader, where you have a "READ" button on the device itself, it's got a little LCD to show you progress, and it stores them on internal memory, plus serves a webpage containing a list of read images
(DIR) Post #AziFuWf7sFt6ieqJxA by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:45:54Z
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I just realized I'm writing a file/disk marker to each floppy that consists of "FLOP"yes, of course they're a floppy, foone! this is not a useful distinguishing signature!
(DIR) Post #AziGaQqHu2VCpc2v2m by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:53:31Z
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@gloriouscow obviously
(DIR) Post #AziGdXjYjknV4dNlqq by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T20:54:10Z
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there we go, reading the metadata too:>python readdisk.pyReading 12 chunks of 131072 bytes eachFlopPlayer 0.1 video AMOKTIME disk 1 of 12Exact file size is 16504149 bytesRead 1474560 bytes in in 28.71s
(DIR) Post #AziJ3B2nv1QG8mjdJo by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T21:21:11Z
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I wonder if I can autodetect the next disk insertion. The drive definitely does detect new disks, it spins them up as soon as you put them in. but does that info make it all the way to windows? I'm not sure. and I don't want to do read(1) in a loop until it succeeds, that's nasty. and can be noisy on floppy drives
(DIR) Post #AziJiboRIdO32Alw5w by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T21:28:40Z
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@Fuzz_Ra stupid physical limits!
(DIR) Post #AziK88pZfvsyg6Th8i by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T21:33:18Z
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annoyingly I had mostly solved this problem in software I wrote back in 2018 but it's all python2 so adapting it to py3 would take a minute
(DIR) Post #AziKdKcfsoiSE9JhXU by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T21:38:53Z
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fortunately my desktop has enough old python versions installed that I can get 2to3 to help me
(DIR) Post #AziLldn0bc1XwUg0KO by caffinepwrd@infosec.exchange
2025-10-29T21:50:14Z
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@foone in a vacuum this post sounds cursed 😂
(DIR) Post #AziLlfCDNNmSIxTeFs by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T21:51:39Z
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@caffinepwrd that is pretty common for my posts
(DIR) Post #AziOHySFVZpTD2VnCC by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T22:19:52Z
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okay I now have a working disk-swap-detector. It basically just calls DeviceIoControl(IOCTL_DISK_GET_DRIVE_GEOMETRY) in a loop. That'll fail if the drive is empty.It starts "full", waits for it to go empty, then waits for it to go back to full.
(DIR) Post #AziOTwFpVymJrOPLqy by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T22:22:00Z
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what if the user puts in the wrong disk?PANIC
(DIR) Post #AziOjPtLbdD47fGx5k by itgrrl@infosec.exchange
2025-10-29T22:24:00Z
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@foone PANIC at the disk, oh
(DIR) Post #AziOjR8cyJ1hzLQfY0 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T22:24:50Z
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@itgrrl nice
(DIR) Post #AziP3xLiv9IngJL5Ye by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T22:28:30Z
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@Jhynjhiruu have you seen the thumbnail for that video? and the icon in it?
(DIR) Post #AziPZbLuEzEaj2VwEi by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T22:34:17Z
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0%| | 0/1474560 [00:00<?, ?it/s]FlopPlayer 0.1 video 2j▐TDMí disk 2 of 12Exact file size is 4039327740 bytesDisk info mismatch! Expected title to be AMOKTIME, but was 2j▐TDMí 0%| | 0/1474560 [00:00<?, ?it/s]Traceback (most recent call last
(DIR) Post #AziPgi8LQVQ9mgYppA by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T22:35:24Z
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@Jhynjhiruu the joke is that he's using my icon for the thumbnail.(cause I know gravis. he asked)
(DIR) Post #AziRRv0fTFURHe2oPQ by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T22:55:16Z
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oh I was trying to check that the title was the same on later disks, but the title is only saved on the first disk (can't waste 8 bytes)whooops
(DIR) Post #AziRaKYiMbIEq6yrJI by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T22:56:48Z
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this is arguably a mis-design of my disk format and I should fix it and make it use the same metadata format for all the disksbut consider:that'd require rewriting 12 floppy disks
(DIR) Post #AziRzOaCXVqGYjczNQ by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-10-29T23:01:19Z
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@foone if you don't start taking backwards compatibility seriously now ... : )
(DIR) Post #AziSeM94VVMes8TBjM by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T23:08:46Z
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ugh. my test read was stopped by disk #5 being bad. it wasn't showing bad sectors when I formatted and wrote it an hour ago!
(DIR) Post #AziSll6S7500Ivm4sC by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T23:10:05Z
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I can't believe these 30 year old floppy disks are unreliable.
(DIR) Post #AziTVhn8l1NRM3eNoO by scott@sfba.social
2025-10-29T23:18:24Z
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@foone I hope you kept the receipts!Sometimes they will let you return or exchange them without a receipt as long as you bring in the original Diner’s Club card you purchased them with🤪
(DIR) Post #AziTZCcKbYfVpNGJai by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T23:19:02Z
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@scott I didn't purchase these, I just got them out of a dumpster somewhere
(DIR) Post #AziTcXSvY18rM9SEAi by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T23:19:09Z
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DISK 8 TOO?!
(DIR) Post #AziTi5erqd5kqngcXg by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T23:20:41Z
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how could this handwritten novel netware license disk fail me
(DIR) Post #AziTucty4hqnQdj9SC by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T23:22:58Z
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now I gotta wait until my standing up recharges enough to go grab some more disks from the garage, as I only had one spare
(DIR) Post #AziTz2rHViVX5eZsJ6 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T23:23:41Z
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originally I got 20 disks, and formatted them all. I tossed 7 failures, leaving me at 13 working disks, so I had 12 for the video + one spare. I wasn't really expecting any of them to fail inbetween that format-test and now
(DIR) Post #AziU2SLjBxEb1BRfYe by Stormgren@obsidianmoon.com
2025-10-29T23:22:56Z
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@foone Wait, why are you trying to summon netware into the world?
(DIR) Post #AziU2TJHcWsBztJEO0 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T23:24:03Z
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@Stormgren I'm not! I formatted the disk and put my own shit on it
(DIR) Post #AziUweVRBH8IwCmcOO by scott@sfba.social
2025-10-29T23:34:25Z
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@foone ohhhhhhhhhhhh 🤔😜
(DIR) Post #AziWaIpXI3kRFUeeem by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T23:52:43Z
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@mos_8502 yeah same
(DIR) Post #AziWckPvh3a5O5qLqa by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-29T23:53:05Z
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okay I managed to go to the garage and acquire a sack of fresh new 30-year-old dumpster floppies. surely at least one of these works
(DIR) Post #AziX9aNA3n7dn6CtCS by AVincentInSpace@furry.engineer
2025-10-29T23:59:13Z
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it is utterly news to me that there exists a project @foone considers too silly to attempt
(DIR) Post #AziXiA4Vq08GM7yGnI by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-30T00:05:28Z
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Read all disks in 430.22s336s is the maximum instant-disk-change speed, so I had 94 seconds of overhead, or about 10s a disk
(DIR) Post #AziY5vdBBE5qWCWFpg by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-30T00:09:42Z
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my code is reading the whole of the last disk, which isn't exactly right. most of that last disk is zero padding
(DIR) Post #AziYENbB53qNZjc3Si by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-30T00:11:20Z
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I'll need to figure out how to test that one easily, because other wise it only happens at the end of 7 minutes of disk-swapping
(DIR) Post #AziYRdDWK5L1mOrli4 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-30T00:13:41Z
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but I think that's enough (4 hours?!) for today. I've got the disk-reading code, the disk-swapping code, I've fixed the disks so I have 12 that work (FOR NOW), I confirmed I can read the correct data quickly, so next steps are:* fixing the over-read at the end* separating out the data from the metadata into a single stream for feeding to the video player* integrating a swap-disk interface into the video player
(DIR) Post #AziZ93ettCmMEsNe88 by littlemisssynth@mastodon.online
2025-10-30T00:17:48Z
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@foone as long as things don't reach this point, that shouldn't be too much to worry about https://xkcd.com/1987
(DIR) Post #AziZ94LRL2o4MoHcR6 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-30T00:21:30Z
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@littlemisssynth I think my desktop passed that point long ago. a quick search shows 68 separate non-symlink python.exe files
(DIR) Post #AzibHawkD4RxhivQFU by Smingleigh@mastodon.social
2025-10-30T00:31:23Z
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@fooneThe solution is simple. Build a floppy disk library with a robot arm to feed the disks to the drive at the perfect interval. That's all. How hard can it be? 😈
(DIR) Post #AzibHc3A6hB57uw3tI by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-30T00:45:25Z
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@Smingleigh jokes on you, I already built one of those years ago
(DIR) Post #AzicgNrq4gp2Kl0zAm by aiuto@masto.social
2025-10-30T01:01:00Z
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@foone A few years ago I was delighted that I was able to fully recover files from floppies I wrote in 1982. I got back the full source to my first product.
(DIR) Post #AzijeVyFftI0ZA4PpY by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-30T02:19:13Z
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@SteveSyfuhs sadly I've had really terrible results with using multiple USB floppy drives at once
(DIR) Post #AzioyEFlkza3B9U3CC by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-30T03:18:50Z
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@SteveSyfuhs I actually tested it on linux, figuring that would have a greater chance of working (no offense).I'll have to try on Windows one of these days
(DIR) Post #Azir1sBpvinLoiVenw by kaced@infosec.exchange
2025-10-30T03:40:18Z
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@foone you can also rig mob poker games while you’re at it https://gothamist.com/news/mob-used-x-ray-tables-contact-lenses-and-ex-nba-stars-to-cheat-nyc-poker-games-feds-say
(DIR) Post #Azir1tOHSwLLXbL6q8 by foone@digipres.club
2025-10-30T03:41:54Z
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@kaced waow, I didn't know the mob was shuffling floppies!
(DIR) Post #Azivl3yvKpW1EiH1Ps by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-10-30T04:34:52Z
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@foone it came from Provo, Utah.
(DIR) Post #AziwdkW7PCLYnLsOo4 by llewelly@sauropods.win
2025-10-30T04:44:49Z
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@foone in the time of floppies, the digital gods of that time created the disk-of-the-month club because a month was the expected lifespan. Which was inconvenient for those of us using them to turn in the homework of a 16 week semester ...
(DIR) Post #AzoAij1KlcU8kZXlr6 by hyc@mastodon.social
2025-11-01T17:04:56Z
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@foone I do my win32 development in MSYS2 in a virtualbox VM. No clouds here.
(DIR) Post #AzoAikFYCFS2YxCdea by foone@digipres.club
2025-11-01T17:15:47Z
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@hyc I mean, all my stuff is local too, I don't do cloud stuff.but I don't get to pick where microsoft stores their documentation