Post AzgOdA6T0OVV6OVTEW by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
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(DIR) Post #AzgNh3iUap5IUxaSmW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-28T23:04:13Z
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As usual, Labour are offering crumbs;https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/577129/what-doctors-landlords-and-economists-make-of-labour-s-tax-planThe absolute minimum they could possibly do without repeating 2023's failures, of principle *and* strategy, and promising nothing. Like their GST-off-this-and-that plan this is a patch on a hemorrhage, dressed up as ambitious policy.If this is typical of what Labour plan to offer for 2026, they deserve to lose. Even if the rest of us don't deserve 3 more years of CLuxon's clowns.#NZPolitics
(DIR) Post #AzgO1fAJ4N6WR1QCvY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-28T23:07:57Z
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"Hipkins would also not be drawn on whether Labour would reinstate a ban on interest deductibility ..."#GilesDexter, 2025https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/577129/what-doctors-landlords-and-economists-make-of-labour-s-tax-planAre you kidding? This is a no-brainer. A big distinctive to use less well-off people to pay the mortgage on your investment, *and* billions in revenue to fund public services. This was one of Robertson's boldest and most effective policies.Where's the downside FFS?
(DIR) Post #AzgO9sKW0Wi1a5730S by jeremy_pm@mastodon.nz
2025-10-28T23:09:22Z
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@strypey You’re thinking is far too binary: *Labour deserves to lose to Greens and become the junior coalition partner in the next government.
(DIR) Post #AzgOdA6T0OVV6OVTEW by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-28T23:14:43Z
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@jeremy_pm @strypey that's what I'm working towards. Labour have earned a place as a minor party over the past decade or two.
(DIR) Post #AzgPi35ob73olH60Su by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-28T23:26:48Z
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@jonathanharker> shake out all the shit landlords who think they're entitled to passive income in return for doing no workExactly what I was thinking.
(DIR) Post #AzgXESPqgK3qFHrosS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-29T00:51:03Z
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@jeremy_pm> Labour deserves to lose to GreensWe can all dream. In 1996 I really thought the Cannabis party would get 5%. In 2014 I thought the Internet MANA alliance would get 5%. And sure I'd love to think the Greens could leapfrog Labour in 2026.Never say never, but But the polling trend for 2026 is looking promising.I do agree with you both and Chlöe that is the long game now. Labour are a spent force, hamstrung by a neoliberal rump they can't seem to shake off.@lightweight
(DIR) Post #AzgYACpUmzkWhXOqsi by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-29T01:01:30Z
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@strypey @jeremy_pm I think we might see the Green moment gaining steam outside of Aotearoa prior to our next election... which might change people's idea of what's possible... pushing the Overton Window to the progressive side.
(DIR) Post #Azgc1sSx15Gf2p8fpI by jeremy_pm@mastodon.nz
2025-10-29T01:44:47Z
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@lightweight @strypey 100% https://youtu.be/09f8LEPvDPk
(DIR) Post #AzgjK4qOQuWIKHjGjo by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-29T03:04:32Z
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@jeremy_pm heh - I was watching that particular video when I posted that about the Green Movement 🙃 @strypey
(DIR) Post #Azgpbfc3a2Wx0hnORk by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-29T04:16:25Z
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(1/2)@lightweight @jeremy_pm All I can say to that is, good luck. I'll be happy if that surge in UK Greens polling translates into winning seats in an FPP election. I'd be thrilled if the same Green surge happened here. But I little sign of that so far, and I'm not holding my breath.
(DIR) Post #AzgprTZS7UkKIQ79Rg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-29T04:19:51Z
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(2/2)Especially while we've got an ultraconservative regime engaged in active voter suppression. In a transparently cynical attempt to keep themselves in power at any cost.If they succeed, this will hurt small parties more. So Labour are unlikely to put up more than finger-wagging resistence to it. Even though they could probably defeat it if they gave their blessing to affiliated unions to mobilise against it en masse.Now if the Greens could get the missing million on the roll early ...
(DIR) Post #AzgrgI7IZ7X3UjjwDA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-29T04:40:13Z
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Side note: with all due respect to Marama, I think she'd give the Greens their best chance of eclipsing Labour by standing down as co-leader. Soon enough for a new Māori co-leader to step up before the end of the year.I went to the Greens budget roadshop in The Tron with Marama as MC. She clearly still cares but she's just as clearly exhausted and dialing it in. She needs to let herself rest, and make space for someone who's firing on all cylinders. The caucus is not short of Māori talent.
(DIR) Post #AzgwkW6X08mXo1DPnM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-29T05:35:55Z
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@lightweight @jeremy_pm One more thing, if you look at the trend across all polls since the start of the year;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Graph_of_opinion_polls_by_party..svg... both Greens and TPM (and TOP) have been steadily losing ground, to the benefit of Labour, NZ First and the Nats. The tide looks to be going out on progressive parties in NZ right now. Also, 3 of the last 5 polls do show the left block ahead, but only 1 by more than the margin of error.A week is a long time in politics and all that, but ...
(DIR) Post #AzjFllMi29qGs60ga0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-30T08:19:33Z
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If the Greens are not in top 2, and they don't get substantial policy concessions from a prospective coalition leader, they need to be prepared for another 3 years of sitting outside government. If they enter a coalition without that, they're only there to greenwash it, and their own credibility will suffer.If that's the best they're offered they're better to be in opposition. Where they're free to speak out and organise against the govt, in pursuit of their own policies.#NZPolitics
(DIR) Post #AzjGfkMiwDGFzHiCzw by ensslen@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-30T08:29:39Z
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@strypey Again, I don't know why you think any of this: National didn't run this government and Labour won't run the next. The Green party is going to run the next government, and that's way better than being in opposition.
(DIR) Post #AzkDcszyHL6bBmyRdY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-30T19:30:16Z
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@ensslen> I don't know why you think any of thisA reality check;https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/115455829946270119> The Green party is going to run the next governmentI admire your optimism : )
(DIR) Post #AzmSJEmHTveoZaZxqq by jeremy_pm@mastodon.nz
2025-10-31T21:24:10Z
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@strypey Just thought I would share this to help you battle your understandable cynicism on the prospects of the UK Greens and the potential for their success to advance the #NZPol Greens in their pursuit of a larger slice of the pie in NZ’s 2026 election. @lightweight https://youtu.be/L5nbB-eCkaM
(DIR) Post #AzmStCxNjHZ1LmvJku by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-31T21:30:42Z
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@jeremy_pm @strypey yes, been watching this. We're seeing a new generation of very smart, young, principled leaders taking the reins. I'm hopeful for the first time in ages.
(DIR) Post #AzmTrQkjZ67lVriwS0 by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-31T21:41:36Z
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@jeremy_pm @strypey that's a superb commentary. Folks here in Aotearoa can see the parallels for sure!
(DIR) Post #AzmUNvDlou2BH8nZK4 by Niall@mastodon.nz
2025-10-31T21:47:25Z
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@lightweight @jeremy_pm @strypey the racing truism is appropriate here, "when the flag drops, the bullshit stops". Until there's election results we just don't know. I hope for change but so rarely see it go in the correct direction.
(DIR) Post #AzmX8FciUqYXmVgbIm by jeremy_pm@mastodon.nz
2025-10-31T21:58:00Z
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@Niall @lightweight @strypey TBF, the political situation in Aotearoa NZ is quite different from the UK both in electoral system and party relations. NZ Labour and Greens are quite aligned particularly with both parties understanding that they will have to work together in coalition should they be in a position to form a government after election. Whereas UK politics under FPP is very cut throat. The hope I have is firstly there’s a change of government but also that the Greens are in a position to have more power and influence in the next #NZPol govt.
(DIR) Post #AzmX8GqZwnErZnBBY0 by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-31T22:18:11Z
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@jeremy_pm @Niall @strypey of course there are differences... but I want the Greens to surpass Labour, because Labour has made itself largely obsolete by adopting neoliberalism and abandoning its core of labour.
(DIR) Post #AzmXBM2v4dbCZNQEng by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-31T22:18:40Z
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@jeremy_pm> Just thought I would share thisI'm aware, since this is exactly what I was commenting on in the post you're replying to. Read it again.@lightweight
(DIR) Post #AzmY5L3HxNIlhfI2ls by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-31T22:28:55Z
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@jeremy_pm> NZ Labour and Greens are quite alignedIn what parallel universe?! They were briefly aligned. After Robertson, Little and Ardern dragged Labour back to the centre-left, and Shaw and Winston dragged their parties to the right economically (remember Robertson and Shaw's neoliberal Budget Responsibility Rules?).Since Hipkins it's been back to BaU; spineless, centre-right pandering. Bringing us right back to the jumping off point;https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/115454289763070398 @Niall @lightweight
(DIR) Post #AzmYQPNf3fbHD2rkqO by jeremy_pm@mastodon.nz
2025-10-31T22:32:42Z
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@strypey Yes I understand you’re hopeful that the UK Green’s rise in popularity translates to an improved ranking for NZ Greens, I was just sharing because I found UK Greens now outpolling both UK Labour and Conservatives is something of a dynamic power shift. @lightweight
(DIR) Post #AzmYcsVAc1uT0BKAMq by jeremy_pm@mastodon.nz
2025-10-31T22:34:57Z
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@strypey @Niall @lightweight Aligned in as much as them having to work together and find areas of common ground.
(DIR) Post #AzmZ7eYKWa8aiVTdBo by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-31T22:40:33Z
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@jeremy_pm> UK Greens now outpolling both UK Labour and Conservatives is something of a dynamic power shiftIt will be, *if* it translates into winning seats in FPP races. The current regime is deeply unpopular with its own base, and the clownshow of the Tory government is still too raw for protest votes to move there. So UK Greens (and Reform) are surging in polls.I'm not saying that *can't* translate into seats come the next election, I'm just saying it's not a given.(1/2)@lightweight
(DIR) Post #AzmZSRxOYB5XjW7LiS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-31T22:44:19Z
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Third parties got huge percentages of support in pre-MMP polls. Especially when the public started to sour on first term governments. But it never translated into more than a handful of seats under FPP, and never as high a party vote as those polls once we actually got proportional represention.Be hopeful. Celebrate the small victories. Just keep in mind there is still an immense amount of work to do before we defeat the NatACTs in the court of public opinion.(2/2)@jeremy_pm @lightweight
(DIR) Post #AzmZmm7DJNc22qOyx6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-10-31T22:47:59Z
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@jeremy_pm> Aligned in as much as them having to work together and find areas of common groundGreens are good at that. Hell, they even managed to get a few policy concessions from the Key regime.But don't kid yourself that 2025 Labour has much in common policy-wise with the Greens. As I say, much work to do, some of it involving working with Labour's grassroots to help them pull their party back to the centre-left. Again 🙄 @Niall @lightweight
(DIR) Post #AzmZxUrFoYyfhv37tw by jeremy_pm@mastodon.nz
2025-10-31T22:49:54Z
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@strypey Fair comment, Labour under Kid Starver is so far removed from the party’s origins it is unrecognisable and as you say the Conservatives have left themselves unelectable after years of austerity under Tory rule. The biggest threat in UK politics is the rise of the fascist Reform Party which, as you point out, have received populist support not unlike the Greens on the back of Labour and Conservatives collapse. @lightweight