Post Aze3UZP758HTbxN13g by anemone@ebiverse.social
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(DIR) Post #AzdpsuD9yRobjeUNtY by khm@hj.9fs.net
2025-10-27T17:31:28Z
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The CEO of Signal posting a diatribe about how it's not possible to run large online services without AWS infrastructure confirms my general lack of respect for that organizationat the very least I'd want my CEO to be on-board with getting us out of business dependencies with organizations that are actively lobbying to make our product illegal instead of confidently spouting bullshit about how it's not possible to do things any other way
(DIR) Post #Azdq4BNcTuW2AVl6kC by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-27T17:37:59.053720Z
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@khm Yeah, their response made it so much worse than just hosting with AWS.
(DIR) Post #AzdqxOdatKBFDIYhNI by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-10-27T17:47:10.154696Z
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@tk @khm @lanodan plz, I beg of you, just try Delta Chat. It even uses the same ed25519-dalek rust crate as Signal. PQC coming soon, even PFS is going to be possible which will calm those who really think they need it.But first: audio/video calls are coming
(DIR) Post #AzduNHTCSkdqNJjOXw by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-10-27T18:24:39.686719Z
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@lanodan @tk @khm "bullshit?" wdym? What are they lying about?
(DIR) Post #AzduNI4mD2hQFrJP7I by takao@shitposter.world
2025-10-27T18:26:20.606415Z
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@feld @tk @khm @lanodan Epstein probably
(DIR) Post #AzdwE8KvFeC5Llcpmq by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-10-27T18:30:17.741669Z
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@lanodan @tk @khm there are people using it successfully with Thunderbird, K9, and Proton Mail (recently fixed support for that) so one could argue that it does have "independent implementations", but those obviously don't have all the features
(DIR) Post #Aze07uMegaNM5zisca by morgant@mastodon.social
2025-10-27T18:51:28Z
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@khm In my opinion, she makes a very good point about trying to host a massive, performant, product these days.My read of her thread was more, "What problem are we trying to solve?" Are they trying to provide very private messaging with E2EE which non-technical people can and will use? Or, do you want them to never let a single penny or amount of control pass to "big tech"?Which is the greater good for those who need privacy?
(DIR) Post #Aze07vjjaGQmLrWpEW by khm@hj.9fs.net
2025-10-27T19:07:56Z
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That's a false dichotomy. If you decide to go with a public cloud approach, the choice to deploy to a single vendor is not smart. Even granting the CEO's claim that systems administrators are ultra-rare pixies that can't be found in the wild, the decision to tie your mission-critical security product to not only a single vendor but a single availability zone within that vendor is indefensible.The CEO's thread is full of ranting about the massive global footprint of inscrutable engineering miracles, and the point she's missing is that her organization is not benefiting from that. The work needed to deploy across availability zones is not particularly different or more difficult than the work needed to deploy across cloud vendors, and they have done none of either.So even if you're willing to pump money to the oligarchs, they are still doing a bad job at deploying their software. A side benefit of doing it right means that it's much easier to move to baremetal or managed hosting at a real datacenter provider, should the org decide that's worth doing. But what I'm hearing now is they're locked in to AWS us-east-1 because they've made bad decisions, and they're not willing to make better ones.
(DIR) Post #Aze3RdzfYrNgyd4dlo by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-10-27T20:06:39.529718Z
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@lanodan @tk @khm > yet no third-party implementation be it either chatmail (which you need for chatting)you don't need chatmail for chatting, you need it if you want to avoid having email rate limits that normal email providers enforce and if you want to ensure you're not subjected to their greylisting/spamfilters. Chatmail also by default rejects any email that isn't encrypted and allows instant account signup/creation. Lots of people still use it without Chatmail though.> or the core libraries.true, but there are differing opinions about whether or not this is all that important> Also I quite wonder how they're doing things like multi-device with OpenPGPYour entire "profile" including the keys are transferred to the new device. You must be on the same LAN to do this. There has been discussion about using different subkeys per device, but it's not a high priority as the most at risk users don't need that right now. That could enable device revocation which isn't supported at the moment.
(DIR) Post #Aze3UV9MtjJGPxyNxg by anemone@ebiverse.social
2025-10-27T17:54:10.468Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com @khm@hj.9fs.net ive never actually had this happen permanently on matrix
(DIR) Post #Aze3UZP758HTbxN13g by anemone@ebiverse.social
2025-10-27T17:53:41.820Z
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@tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @khm@hj.9fs.net I'd prefer something that works
(DIR) Post #Aze3XWKqwobmxjmhKC by anemone@ebiverse.social
2025-10-27T18:12:40.796Z
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@khm@hj.9fs.net sadly it’s still the only encrypted messenger I can get normies to use
(DIR) Post #Aze3XXgruRoTAJ5nHM by khm@hj.9fs.net
2025-10-27T18:24:25Z
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I believe you! but I'm bitching about things that users shouldn't even notice
(DIR) Post #Aze3XYZ6enCLsWT6oq by anemone@ebiverse.social
2025-10-27T18:28:06.775Z
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@khm@hj.9fs.net yeah I'm just saying the alternatives to signal that don't have this issue have other issues impacting usability that makes it impossible to get other people on board (especially if I want them to ever take my advice on tech again)