Post AzddtukiFT2kFltid6 by lain_7@tldr.nettime.org
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 (DIR) Post #AzbjFHPDKXfi2yvfXc by tante@tldr.nettime.org
       2025-10-26T16:34:16Z
       
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       I do think that this framing isn't fully correct. "Open Source" often has a libertarian (and therefore explicitly non-left) bend. It can be put into left thinking and politics but it works just as well in more right-wing logics. (See Golumbia, Cyberlibertarianism)https://mastodon.mallegolhansen.com/@philip/115395656389281792
       
 (DIR) Post #AzbjFIpU2MHMSkEA7s by giaco@geraffel.social
       2025-10-26T16:36:51Z
       
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       @tante And it's an illusion that nerds tend to be left-wingish.
       
 (DIR) Post #AzbjFJs0ATt5gqPggq by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
       2025-10-26T17:12:09Z
       
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       @giaco Indeed. And the difference is often in the doing, not the saying. @tante
       
 (DIR) Post #Azbk019TZz1XFNr1M0 by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
       2025-10-26T17:20:37Z
       
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       @tante Agreed. Most of the discussion about OSS assumes there is or needs to be discussion and agreement. As is being amply demonstrated today, a large class of people are not playing the game so many people assume is universal -- anyone can just take (source code, law, ...) and not play the game. Talk all we want and code can be copied and used and essentially owned. Past some point it's impossible to ID (sometimes it is easy) but the fact remains: what are you going to do to stop them? Systems of sharing were created with not a thought towards hostile actors. This was a deep strategic mistake baked in. Thinking back to all the anarcho punk stuff and scary old hippy stuff and probably the black Panthers, you assume that assholes, and worse, *will* walk through that door and attempt to undermine you.  That is how the world has always worked. There must be defense built on to the most benign organizations.
       
 (DIR) Post #AzddtukiFT2kFltid6 by lain_7@tldr.nettime.org
       2025-10-26T21:08:36Z
       
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       @tante @philip “Open Source” *never* had a leftist bent — it was always a business-friendly alternative to “Free Software” of the GNU ilk.Before “Open Source” there was the MIT license, which was business-friendly because it came out of MIT’s Project Athena, a distributed computing initiative for education funded by IBM and DEC. That license was heavily influenced by Stallman’s ideas though I doubt by Stallman himself (he was on campus at the time and had just came up with the idea of GNU a year or so before). I expect the MIT license was also heavily influenced by the Multics experience, which was fresh on everyone’s minds. I think Multics licensing complicated sharing research results developed on Multics. MIT didn’t want the same to happen to anything that came out of Project Athena.