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(DIR) Post #AzUyVDU7iY1ab0PRAG by mattiabunel@framapiaf.org
2025-10-23T10:37:18Z
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@SReyCoyrehourcq @mc2 @lukascbossert @raphaellek There is also the work of @publicvoit on orgdown (https://karl-voit.at/2021/11/27/orgdown/)
(DIR) Post #AzUyVEqUerVqofsofg by publicvoit@graz.social
2025-10-23T11:00:02Z
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@mattiabunel @SReyCoyrehourcq @mc2 @lukascbossert @raphaellek Thanks for mentioning #orgdown. 🙇 However, the org community still lacks a formal definition of the (whole) syntax.From orgdown perspective, #od1 specification would be a promising low hanging fruit but as long as the #orgmode community does not embrace the "syntax separate from implementation" idea I tried to coin, this isn't going to happen, I'm afraid.Maybe from outside of the #Emacs/org community because orgdown as a syntax has many advantages IMO: https://karl-voit.at/2025/08/17/Markdown-disaster/
(DIR) Post #AzUz62a5DkJJUbkvui by lukascbossert@mastodon.social
2025-10-21T14:16:56Z
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Resilient technologies aren’t retro—they’re ROOT: Robust, Open, Ongoing, Time-tested. In RDM, text-first + small, composable tools beat opaque stacks. Emacs/Org(-babel) for literate workflows & provenance; Makefiles declare rebuilds; CLI atoms—curl, sed, awk, grep, diff, tar, rsync, cron, SQLite—keep steps inspectable, portable, rebuildable. DOI: https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17157588 — Feedback welcome! #ROOT #ResilientTech #Emacs #OrgMode #RDM #NFDI #FAIR #Reproducibility #literateprogramming #BoostOK
(DIR) Post #AzUz64MgaWmZ1dVGJE by lukascbossert@mastodon.social
2025-10-21T14:19:00Z
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Main poster maps long-lived tools to the research-data life cycle (Plan → Produce → Analyze → Archive → Access → Re-use). Emacs/Org for provenance, Make for rebuilds, curl/sed/grep/diff for intake & checks, awk for tables, cron for timing, tar/rsync for packaging/sync, plus SQLite/LaTeX/find. Pipelines you can re-run years later. Feedback welcome! #ROOT #ResilientTech #RDM #NFDI #Emacs #orgmode #literateprogramming #OpenScience #tools #researchdatamanagement https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17157588
(DIR) Post #AzUz65xEg7c3xHbxuy by lukascbossert@mastodon.social
2025-10-21T14:20:51Z
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The meta poster frames the concept: clarity + openness → resilience. It traces the lineage from Knuth’s Literate Programming to Org-mode and NFDI practice, and introduces the ROOT badge as a compact signal for robust, open, ongoing, time-tested tools. It also spotlights resilient stalwarts often hiding in plain sight—find, LaTeX, perl, rsync, SQLite—showing why they remain reliable RDM building blocks. #ResilientTech #LiterateProgramming #OrgMode #RDM #NFDI #FAIR https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17157588
(DIR) Post #AzUz66dQ9HMC47Lefg by publicvoit@graz.social
2025-10-23T11:06:43Z
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@lukascbossert In 2012, I presented a paper at #iKNOW2012 where I demoed the workflow to generate an ACM whitepaper from one single #Orgmode file + Org-babel + raw data files in CSV format.Template used: https://github.com/novoid/orgmode-ACM-template together with Tom Dye.This might be irrelevant implementation-wise because it would need an update but the workflow idea is still awesome! The people at the session back then mostly did not get it. I probably failed to transmit the idea because they asked specific questions about the demo example data which was just lorem ipsum to me. 😉 #ReproducibleResearch #Emacs #research #literateprogramming
(DIR) Post #AzUz68gKXQsAPij0U4 by lukascbossert@mastodon.social
2025-10-22T12:55:38Z
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You can now get your #ROOT sticker to show your support of this approach (or just for fun). The use case is from the @NFDI and more explicit about #NFDIMatWerk Btw, the sticker is the same size as those of all the other #NFDIrocks consortia. These poster as been created also within the @dkz2r and will be premiered at the @fdm_nrw Forschungsdating.nrw next week. Stop by for your sticker and a chat about #resilienttechnologies. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17157587
(DIR) Post #AzUz6BowrqY69JmQpk by lukascbossert@mastodon.social
2025-10-21T14:22:35Z
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The source poster shows the guts: Emacs/Org-babel + LaTeX; noweb tangling; minted listings; multi-column layout. The complete source code! The poster is both publication and working research object. Example flow: query Zenodo via curl, download dataset, compute checksum, compare, then proceed with scripted transforms—transparent steps you can re-run. Everything is fully specified, so you can regenerate all of it from source. #Emacs #OrgBabel #TeXLaTeX #orgmode https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.17157588
(DIR) Post #AzUzHhIiAL0ay6BliK by publicvoit@graz.social
2025-10-23T11:08:49Z
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@mc2 @lukascbossert @raphaellek The #orgmode/#orgdown syntax definition topics I could find were documented on https://gitlab.com/publicvoit/orgdown/-/blob/master/doc/Formal-Syntax-Definition.org?ref_type=headsHTH
(DIR) Post #AzV33AmefMkhsgWZWK by mattiabunel@framapiaf.org
2025-10-23T11:51:04Z
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@publicvoit @mc2 @lukascbossert @raphaellek I see that someone recently wrote an EBNF grammar for org-mode, which is quite encouraging.
(DIR) Post #AzV8cXnPbBaV9sZ24O by oantolin@mathstodon.xyz
2025-10-23T12:53:27Z
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@publicvoit I think the name might be holding the idea back? I don't feel down about Org not do I want to take Org down. It seems negative to me. Markdown has "down" in its name because of a pun: it's in opposition to markup. Without that context I don't see why you'd want "down" in the name. I think "Orgmark" would have been clearer, or "OrgML" (for markup language), which also had the advantage that someone might mistake it for machine learning and give you money.
(DIR) Post #AzVERrauFSSd6L0Mkq by publicvoit@graz.social
2025-10-23T13:58:48Z
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@oantolin If that would actually be the reason, then the #orgmode community would have changed its name but embraced the idea. Didn't happen.I personally do find the name helpful because the main target group is not Org users but normal users, who do know what "Markdown" is and they get some idea transfer to "Orgdown" because of "down".Nobody I've came across ever said that "Markdown" is negative because of "down". 🤷 To me, "down" symbolizes a "simpler version syntax" according to Lightweight Markup Language (LML) in contrast to complex markup languages like HTML, tex, ...That said: as long as the org community does not even start to embrace the idea, its name choice is more than irrelevant.I started #orgdown not as a personal project in the sense that it stays this way. I was hoping for the community to take it away from me and follow the basic idea such that OD is becoming a tool-independent and much better alternative to #Markdown as explained on https://karl-voit.at/2025/08/17/Markdown-disaster/
(DIR) Post #AzVEZDBqM1MO6emmzw by publicvoit@graz.social
2025-10-23T14:00:03Z
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@oantolin Your OrgML suggestion would tick similar boxes, I agree.However, that name was already taken when I looked for name suggestions: https://inria.hal.science/hal-03434654/document
(DIR) Post #AzVKRXxLrSkxv6jg36 by oantolin@mathstodon.xyz
2025-10-23T15:05:45Z
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@publicvoit The title of that paper is almost one of the things I use org for, I'd tweak it to "A Domain Specific Language for Organisation & Decision-Making". 🙂
(DIR) Post #AzVjrcNuW78e2OgepM by oantolin@mathstodon.xyz
2025-10-23T19:50:46Z
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@publicvoit «Nobody I've came across ever said that "Markdown" is negative because of"down".» It isn't negative in the word "Markdown"! As I explained, in that case it is a play on words. I don't think you can make the same argument without the "mark" there.
(DIR) Post #AzVr34gyJIWAhE0qsS by AAMfP@fosstodon.org
2025-10-23T21:11:19Z
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@publicvoitI agree with you: I've moved from Markdown to OrgMode after many years using the lovely QOwnNotes (and translating 90%+ of it in Italian) because of the different flavours of Markdown.But just like Mercurial is way simpler than Git, but the world is using Git or Betamax was better than VHS, ... well, usually it's a mix of things not helping a technology.Codeberg is great, but project README in OrgMode breaks up, so I have to forward people to the GitHub mirror; @oantolin
(DIR) Post #AzVr3AEpgpZftgtSqm by AAMfP@fosstodon.org
2025-10-23T21:11:19Z
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@publicvoitOrgMode plugin(s) in IntelliJ are not so good; Notepad ones are even worse (if any).I do know OrgMode is better than Markdown (and the fact that I've always wanted to learn Emacs helped me), but if the technology is not supported is difficult.(Then there's also the problem of xkcd 927: why inventing a partial language like Markdown, when there were already gazillion other things, including OrgMode?)@oantolin
(DIR) Post #AzVvFHGtlWbl0CtKYi by publicvoit@graz.social
2025-10-23T21:58:21Z
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@AAMfP @oantolin You're mixing up "orgmode as an Elisp implementation" and "orgmode as a LML". 😉 That's why I still think that we need a separate name for the LML.
(DIR) Post #AzWsdd5qBBC0vVbE8m by publicvoit@graz.social
2025-10-24T09:03:49Z
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@ericsfraga @oantolin Yes, the direct and initial benefits of #Orgdown are mostly for non-Emacs people: https://karl-voit.at/2021/11/27/orgdown/However, just imagine for a minute, that all #Markdown usage is replaced with Orgdown usage. Let your thoughts wander for a moment.This would have tremendous impact on the #Emacs people as well when it comes to working with external tools and people.#PIM #LML #indirectprofitability #markup #publicvoit #orgmode
(DIR) Post #AzWt77UAGCobaJ2SqO by AAMfP@fosstodon.org
2025-10-24T09:09:10Z
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@publicvoitEven better: this would have tremendous impact on the normal people by Emacs people! 😉@ericsfraga @oantolin
(DIR) Post #AzcuxYJb7Fwxt0Zk6C by publicvoit@graz.social
2025-10-27T06:58:06Z
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@ericsfraga Thank you very much for that feedback! That made my day.After the negative experience on site, I somehow ignored and forgot that paper mostly. Your feedback is a late very positive one, thanks. 🙇