Post AzTDHsylkw3gEKvQOG by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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(DIR) Post #AzSuCJRYYEmjRQ1FHk by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T11:02:31.876Z
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I hate this dynamic. Valve is also a shit company, like any other company who makes proprietary software, spyware and distributes DRM.
(DIR) Post #AzSvfFGrFAECquNJMO by AleF2050@livellosegreto.it
2025-10-22T11:07:39Z
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@SuperDicq GOG.com is probably the most friendlier of companies than anyone else in videogames but to put frankly no one is perfect.And yes, Steam userbase in general is also full of yes men and those "PC master race" dudes. Who do you really think could be the best for videogames?
(DIR) Post #AzSvfFx2iJyKxk7076 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T11:18:53.041Z
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@AleF2050@livellosegreto.it The only good thing I can say about GOG is that they do not enforce DRM. Everything else sucks. They do not provide their game's source code under a free license, which is still unacceptable. Especially considering a large part of their library is over 20 years old, there really is no reason to keep it hidden.Who do you really think could be the best for videogames?Anyone who actually cares about not taking advantage of the players. Unfortunately all large game companies are extremely greedy and don't do this.The only games I consider worth playing currently are all maintained by hobbyists in their spare time.And honestly that is absolutely fine. The act of gaming is done purely for entertainment/hobby purposes in the first place. So why not play games created by people who are passionate about them instead of the ones created by greedy companies who only want the cash in your wallet while running kernel level spyware on your computer?
(DIR) Post #AzT21NZXewcKh73H3A by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T12:30:11.372378Z
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@SuperDicq valve isn't big tech though, they're still a small company. and based PRIVATE company, not cringe publicly traded one filled with rich fucks only interested in getting richer
(DIR) Post #AzT2YGtvU3SdYnGqPI by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T12:36:03.302686Z
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@hj @SuperDicq Steam way of dealing with games prices makes it pretty much a monopoly though.At least as much as say Facebook or Amazon.
(DIR) Post #AzT2jLYkVJizC3e8HI by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T12:38:06.814739Z
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@SuperDicq except it's nothope that helos
(DIR) Post #AzT2tN6DdMU6rh58AC by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T12:39:57.531579Z
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@SuperDicq @AleF2050 >So why not play games created by people who are passionate about them instead of the ones created by greedy companies who only want the cash in your wallet while running kernel level spyware on your computer?the ones created by people who are passionate are one in every 5 blue moons worth playing.
(DIR) Post #AzT339h2Kg0gBMy5gW by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T12:41:41.287698Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq they're only a monopoly because everyone else sucks big time. Once again - they're private company and more concerned with gamers interests and adding QoL and nicety features to their ecosystem.Do you think publicly traded company like epic would risk making something like steamdeck? Especially given that it's "just a pc" and not locked down shit console like switch? Would they add game recording feature even though it brings zero profit?
(DIR) Post #AzT3krzrULIq2WcOGm by pettanko@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T12:48:52.865836Z
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @AleF2050 And most passionate game devs want to be paid for their work so they release their games as paid proprietary software.
(DIR) Post #AzT4Ek0bkgKFx9D8YS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T12:54:56.004585Z
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@hj @SuperDicq I don't give a shit about Epic, I would never use it, Steam has a garbage client that acts like a botnet while Epic Games shoves nasty DRM everywhere and only seems to do online services / GaaS.Meanwhile, Steam takes a 30% cut on games, which is rather big, and you cannot sell at a lower price elsewhere. So stores are effectively forced to compete on the same level.I'm not a lawyer but it seems dangerously close to price fixing to me.
(DIR) Post #AzT4rkiV3OAVRULKfg by moth_ball@shitposter.world
2025-10-22T13:02:05.933701Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj you're wrong tbh
(DIR) Post #AzT4wBd0wIBG46tKng by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:02:50.621617Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq I'm just saying that if everyone else were concerned with their customers as steam is, steam wouldn't be a monopoly.I think 30% is fine considering that they store game data essentially forever, even after game is delisted as well as where all the money goes to (gamer-oriented features). Lowering the percentage for higher-selling games IS kinda scummy though. Balance is skewed towards consumers as opposed to creators though.THE only real competitor to steam is itch.io IMO.
(DIR) Post #AzT4wwPV0MIR9nvhlA by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T13:02:54.840500Z
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@hj @SuperDicq And it's kind of funny because to me the best games store would be:- Download offline game installer/archive- Latest version is available roughly same day as on the other store, or store clearly marks that publisher has deprecated the store (specially relevant for multiplayer games)- Older versions are typically available (relevant to avoid bugs in later versions, or stuff like speedrun)Meanwhile everything else that Steam fans love to offer sales pitches about are irrelevant to selling games, it's exactly like iOS/macOS telling me about iTunes or iCloud.
(DIR) Post #AzT5DeIvZkc3vQp5Lk by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T13:05:57.083176Z
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@hj @SuperDicq > THE only real competitor to steam is itch.io IMO.Yeah, and I would love if you'd have started with that instead. Because it's one that sells games, the end.
(DIR) Post #AzT5N9yRCMn4kjm3KC by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T13:07:39.773545Z
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@moth_ball @SuperDicq @hj At least point which is wrong?
(DIR) Post #AzT5VKuOQXo0z0mTuS by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:09:08.250125Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq >Download offline game installer/archiveIf game allows it you can play it completely offline. Mostly older games though.>Latest version is available roughly same day as on the other store, or store clearly marks that publisher has deprecated the store (specially relevant for multiplayer games)How storefronts supposed to know that? Again it's gamedev's responsibility to do this.>Older versions are typically available (relevant to avoid bugs in later versions, or stuff like speedrun)On steam gamedevs can provide older versions as "betas", i.e. ETS2 does that. It's dev's responsibility/option. Itch.io lets developers sell separate versions. AFAIK it doesn't cost dev extra which further justifies 30% cut.
(DIR) Post #AzT5ZPy1Ys2RpXQSC8 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:09:57.462010Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq > Because it's one that sells games, the end.So does steam, so does itch.io, so does gog, so does epic. I don't see your point. At every storefront games are still subject to EULA and/or any other type of license including GPL.
(DIR) Post #AzT6FJ5xVATegC6xcG by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:17:26.755882Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq itch.io lets devs set their price cut between 0% to 30% with 10% being the default. Unfathomably based, but they also provide less features, so it's perfect for you if you don't want all the extra stuff.Also I don't think itunes/icloud comparison is fair since those are locked-down generally cloud-only and apple-only stuff. Steam stuff generally applies to everything, generally local-first and most of it works for non-steam games as well.
(DIR) Post #AzT6WLhj3Q8zh7u25o by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:20:33.813526Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq >itch.io lets devs set their price cut between 0% to 30% with 10% being the default. Unfathomably basedgamedevs can put up game on steam for the same price on itch and make more money on itch with its lower price cut. problem solved.
(DIR) Post #AzT6XGpqdtVesp8pAO by ra1n@pleroma.ra1n.digital
2025-10-22T13:19:34.139198Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj would u rather use steam or epic? epic has said they don't care about linux. steam does care about linux so most games are compatible when they weren't a few years ago. also steam deck is a good price and can play everything if ure ok with 30-40 fps on newer games. the other handhelds are overpriced and use windows
(DIR) Post #AzT6XI1wCQm4abnzeK by ra1n@pleroma.ra1n.digital
2025-10-22T13:20:28.104588Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj I like what valve has done for gaming I feel like steam kinda deserves money. I'd feel better about it than epic games
(DIR) Post #AzT6ckMsGgM5vQCUD2 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T13:21:40.681876Z
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@hj @SuperDicq Epic doesn't sells mere games, it's more like a casino.And stuff like cloud saves might look really nice but it's a form of vendor-locking as instead of having say a tool which manages your saves locally, it's stuck at Steam.> If game allows it you can play it completely offline. Mostly older games though.This is a different thing, online games can still have offline *installers*, it's how you can play LANs or have different online servers.That said game companies got hooked on online-service games, mostly because of stuff like microtransactions and brand control.> How storefronts supposed to know that?> Again it's gamedev's responsibility to do this.Users can report that stuff. At least this is one of the reasons why GOG is pure garbage but also why sometimes itch.io is a bit meh, as sometimes gamedevs will have moved to Steam and unless you make sure to check among the bunch of comments you won't know.
(DIR) Post #AzT7AIwwiN6ojd4fD6 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:27:46.683713Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq >And stuff like cloud saves might look really nice but it's a form of vendor-locking as instead of having say a tool which manages your saves locally, it's stuck at Steam.you literally can disable it and use something like syncthing to sync your saves. AFAIK it doesn't force games to do anything to their saves, devs just need to provide save file location>This is a different thing, online games can still have offline *installers*, it's how you can play LANs or have different online servers.I don't understand your point. Please elaborate. Steam networking is kind of a lock-in, and in that regard epic actually nicer since they allow their variant to be used outside their ecosystem. Stuff like itch.io... well, devs have to use their own master servers. Further justifying 30% cut.>Users can report that stuffReviews are a thing.
(DIR) Post #AzT7JyvG1wGfW8tmsa by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T13:29:25.187326Z
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@hj @SuperDicq I mean it makes more money for the gamedevs, which is nice in a way, but given there's no transparency on the cut of either, while Steam is the main storefront, people are going to buy on Steam when it's available on both.While if they could put even say a 10% reduced price for customers on Itch, with Itch having the default 10% cut, people would probably go to Itch instead and devs would still get more money. That's how competition ought to work.
(DIR) Post #AzT7RfJ8qECh03jaC0 by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T13:30:38.856427Z
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@SuperDicq more like I wouldn't call them my friends. Because that would be one-sided and stupid as fuck.
(DIR) Post #AzT7iSUpj96GBmD7RY by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T13:33:40.287004Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj >you cannot sell at a lower price elsewhereNot sure if this is true because I've seen game developers selling their games for lesser price than on Steam. Well, those are small releases, they wouldn't attract too much attention.But as recent incident showed me, it's better stay unnoticed from Valve. Again, they are nobody's friend.
(DIR) Post #AzT7lr5Gld1XJasBOK by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:34:33.413121Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq if gamedevs deserve it i buy their game on both.>That's how competition ought to work.but that's not how it work now does it? even with transparency people in general wouldn't give two shits how much money dev makes.
(DIR) Post #AzT7s8FJs7CSHPZCYy by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:35:43.320576Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan they are gamer's friends so far. Money processors just have everyone by the balls.
(DIR) Post #AzT7tJ2lDFWs3bFhce by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T13:35:52.724085Z
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@hj @SuperDicq Yeah, and people tend to care more about their own money, hence the second paragraph.
(DIR) Post #AzT7wQxqDirjUWRVtA by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T13:36:24.429909Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan not this recent incident.I'm talking about this: https://idtech.space/notice/AzJ9LJuTRaurf6K1Cq
(DIR) Post #AzT8A6Dk8nrHD7Oflg by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T13:38:43.712456Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan :drakedislike: not letting contractors to work on legacy abomination that's GoldSrc to break it even more than it already is:drakelike: letting contractors send DMCA to modders
(DIR) Post #AzT8Juyumar1FU8vho by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:40:43.473261Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan i don't want to defend valve here, but they would rather make it official and properly licensed than use leaked code that has dubious license and legality.See: tf2 source code and TF2C and likes.
(DIR) Post #AzT8OWQPVjBqXICPdA by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T13:41:31.263888Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @hj Recent incident, you mean leaking the game code and Valve sending a DMCA to GitHub?That's not Nintendo shutting down emulators kind of stuff, or Tetris Game Company trying to shutdown similar but different games. It's shutting down on piracy kind of license violation.
(DIR) Post #AzT8loB5fiw2Fw8ZEG by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T13:44:51.347745Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj it's just somebody there was too emotional, otherwise I would see other, much worse things, get eradicated from GitHub.
(DIR) Post #AzT8pKe1PzbponLkae by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:46:23.891625Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan tf2 leaked source code was eradicated and then reinstated. I don't think it's emotional at all. It's just business and upholding licenses.
(DIR) Post #AzT98gy2e8dsYNwgOe by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T13:49:46.471993Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan oh now it's business, totally "gamer's friends" business.Business on piece of media so forgotten, so that the only thing they did for it is half-assed anniversary update that broke mods.
(DIR) Post #AzT9h49kw9DQJood0q by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T13:56:04.579089Z
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@hj @SuperDicq On the game installer vs. server thing: You can entirely have an installer that's offline, it's only job is to install the game, it's a separate kind of software from the actually installed game.Take factorio for example, it's not as focused on multiplayer as minecraft, but you still just download an archive (installer typically being a self-extracting archive), regardless of whether you're going to play singleplayer or multiplayer.> Reviews are a thing.Yeah, and if I'm not mistaken Itch only displays comments on the game page. The reviews are on the users page. And even if it would display both, reviews and comments would then be lost in the same feed. Steam on this does a much better job.
(DIR) Post #AzT9n1k0pUTEZ7cIFs by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T13:56:55.146273Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan see, as I said before, it's impossible to argue with leaked code and licensing argument. I totally agree that taking any kind of hl2beta code (yeah, after Unkle Mike did the same mistake two decades ago) was braindead move.But if you still want to believe in the "gamer's friend" image they built supporting modders, I think that they at least could've left them alone.
(DIR) Post #AzT9z3oOxLF2SlPKfQ by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T13:59:21.069282Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan you can still obtain and play WON version of the game that works with mods and what speedrunners use. You can switch to pre-anniversary-update version in betas (picrelated) if update breaks mods.once again - they took down TF2C and other mods that used leaked TF2 source code. Then they put up proper, up-to-date TF2 source code under proper license so that those mods can exist legally. IMO the fact they didn't do the same for GoldSrc is them being lazy or lack of demand.image.png
(DIR) Post #AzTAIc0M3Ix60oJzZA by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T14:02:51.621244Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @hj Effectively it's going to be a corporation, not a friend, never.That said if you break anyone's boundaries, even a friend, there's likely going to be an unfriendly reaction.
(DIR) Post #AzTAOe2PPEos3U9ugy by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:03:58.252879Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq >Take factorio for example, it's not as focused on multiplayer as minecraft, but you still just download an archive (installer typically being a self-extracting archive), regardless of whether you're going to play singleplayer or multiplayer.you can download UT99 (OH NO WAIT YOU CANT THANKS SWEENEY) better example: Duke3D (OH NO WAIT THANKS RANDY) better example: Doom, Heretic, Deus Ex, factorio off steam and play it online and offline without steam. The only downside is that you have to use either steam client or steamcmd for ithttps://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games_on_Steam>Steam on this does a much better job.And IIRC gog does "great game, my mom does 30k$ per day just by being online just follow this link to learn more" spam in their reviews
(DIR) Post #AzTAQ4EVUymjaUUolc by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:04:01.571225Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan >can still obtain and play WON version... unless you've got it on physical media, by the way. Otherwise that's piracy, I guess.>You can switch to pre-anniversary-update version in betas (picrelated) if update breaks mods.yeah, guess what people do>Then they put up proper, up-to-date TF2 source code under proper license so that those mods can exist legallyafter they neglected this game for how many years? I don't know, I don't play TF2 and never did.
(DIR) Post #AzTAfmj0MRujv8FvWq by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:07:04.930466Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan >after they neglected this game for how many years?is this what people call "moving goalposts"? they neglected hl1 for how much?>yeah, guess what people dothey switch to the beta if it breaks their mods?
(DIR) Post #AzTAgA7FOTyKSym70a by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:06:56.883819Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj tell that to average gamer here.I don't care about their feelings. I just like that _one_ game they made many years ago.
(DIR) Post #AzTAnP5g7IVMw8UhOq by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:08:26.933659Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @a1ba i really like this analogy. Even if someone is your friend it doesn't mean it's fine to break-and-enter and steal stuff. Plus it WILL have unfriendly reaction.
(DIR) Post #AzTB7ni0ISCz5299cm by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:12:08.815242Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan whose feelings? The only one being emotional and having hurt feelings is you.leaked source code has dubious license and valve is in the right assuming we follow the law. Modders could have gone with "cleanroom" approach but they didn't, and they're to blame.If we don't follow the law GPL also has no power. I wouldn't mind this option t. agent of chaos 🏴☠️.image.png
(DIR) Post #AzTBBVZ5hFjzxzkHfE by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:12:35.116210Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan >they neglected hl1 for how much?probably since gopnik's beloved cs1.6 stopped being interesting to them.my point is, is that just business if their product is carried by the community?>they switch to the beta if it breaks their mods?and you're absolutely right. But then what's the point of a sudden update? Cool documentary, I guess.
(DIR) Post #AzTBCFO1KkDa4yv5nM by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T14:12:55.097104Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @hj Also modding is a topic where I really wish modders would have a better grasp of copyright laws, or recognise that what a lot of them are doing is often just tolerated copyright violations.Typically tolerated because you need the full game, but if you go standalone or it allows clones while being derivatives, then you're going to face troubles.Sampling had the same cultural problem around copyright, and probably still somewhat does. Get proper authorizations prior to publication (specially monetized ones) or use works where the public license allows what you want. (And it doesn't have to be a libre license, see Touhou)
(DIR) Post #AzTBJgzX658tip13lg by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:14:18.836Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club Implying Gaben isn't a rich fuck interested in getting richer.
(DIR) Post #AzTBJkCPAgDnfc3skS by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:14:08.210301Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj both of you, can you read?https://suya.place/notice/AzT9l0YZz2UxXmv7T6I'm not going to argue on legality because I'm literally on your side here.
(DIR) Post #AzTBPDOA4Y3NeFAYdc by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:15:16.930332Z
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@SuperDicq so far he seem to be more interested in technology than he is in money.
(DIR) Post #AzTBPe8qbaqYcZDD16 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:15:24.398Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love They do all those that I mentioned. That is a fact.
(DIR) Post #AzTBbX08yknTwzoAGu by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:17:33.630Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me The Steamdeck is also a locked down shit console.
(DIR) Post #AzTBeWMXoHdgq2iAN6 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T14:17:59.706540Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @hj Yeah and I did, and if the modders really did respect it, then it wouldn't be an incident (or at least good example of one), but just another Tuesday.
(DIR) Post #AzTBhKQ6fVsOfTiT56 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:18:34.281257Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @a1ba i'd love for people to understand copyright laws and EULAs. "I own physical media" - you own jack shit - EULA prohibits you from reselling the game, lending it to someone else, reverse-engineering, modifying, playing it with someone else, hosting a LAN party, making backup copies, making any copies at all, using it in any way that isn't intentional, looking at it wrong, sneezing at it, cursing in its presence, badmouthing its creator even offline, etc etc etc.people will have double standards "i hate piracy" but "i'm not gonna follow EULA" - "i only follow the law when it's convenient for me"
(DIR) Post #AzTBmVTP06FGOej8Hg by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T14:19:33.513418Z
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@SuperDicq except its nothope that helps
(DIR) Post #AzTBnEyTpOqJW4c5TM by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:19:40.834338Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan what is your point? the fact they they cherry-picked one of the most popular game's engine code to DMCA'd specifically?
(DIR) Post #AzTBoUoERMzWusQ0KO by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:19:54.043029Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan and so is any other PC.
(DIR) Post #AzTBpbx9Mi7jMW7bJA by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:20:06.924Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me I think 30% is fine considering that they store game data essentially foreverI would also store your data on my server if you gave me 30% of your income.
(DIR) Post #AzTBrtGVyAORdPGYZE by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:20:31.531621Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @a1ba07f71839002eb8cce85fcd33f36991b…
(DIR) Post #AzTBzM4TGirl08ByZk by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:21:50.586699Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan you're already storing my posts on your server for freeimage.png
(DIR) Post #AzTC1jzzHFDbn5EU8O by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:22:09.910118Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj legal approach is nearly impossible here by the way, because of how game logic side is licensed. You either cleanroom Quake side, or do the same with the entities.FreeHL does the second part, losing binary compatibility.Nobody so far really tried to cleanroom Quake. Though sounds pretty doable to me, there isn't a lot.
(DIR) Post #AzTC9PGkEXrLobj4hU by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T14:23:36.236053Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @a1ba > reverse-engineering, modifyingAs far as I know mere reverse-engineering (not plagiarism) is a guaranteed right in EU.Local modifications are only forbidden when there's DRM.> making backup copies, making any copies at allSimilarly that's guaranteed in EU, right to a private copy.> badmouthing its creator even offlineLol, ToS stuff. :D
(DIR) Post #AzTCHSQwLtVnwjKlN2 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:25:07.242458Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @a1ba I mean, yeah, EULAs don't really apply, but I'm mostly making a jab at corporate bootlickers and piracy-haters.65764a7a18feacec1c4ab56d0e1a328…
(DIR) Post #AzTCJXt52tffRMUYds by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:25:24.935760Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan the logic behind picking exactly these two repos among many others is interesting because... I know they read me, not gonna help them.
(DIR) Post #AzTCQWOuyFpCrCi5FA by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:26:46.723Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @a1ba@suya.place @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Which they shouldn't do because it is evil.
(DIR) Post #AzTCU1ht24w4osFnRA by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:27:24.893952Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @a1ba too bad this ain't a perfect world
(DIR) Post #AzTCWeg56vLMGTf9km by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:27:52.456541Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj same with post-USSR countries laws.I guess living in USA just sucks.
(DIR) Post #AzTCZmHJJCnghpZ74q by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:28:27.426805Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan USA sucks. More news at 9. :kekw:
(DIR) Post #AzTCa4XDQoDbKN94Mq by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T14:28:25.607077Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @hj Yeah, USA is land of the free corporations.
(DIR) Post #AzTCc1gH0sMN3VJVmi by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:28:51.335Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @a1ba@suya.place @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me The fact that they don't release all of their source code they have under a free software license means that they are not your friend and that they deserve criticism.
(DIR) Post #AzTCiPWjGc1OkZtTt2 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T14:30:01.484923Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @lanodan @a1ba you're not entitled to anyone's code.
(DIR) Post #AzTCljuxuVoGrOokGO by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:30:34.662759Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @a1ba everyone deserves criticism. But so everyone deserves praise :floofCry: But yeah they should release source code for everything under GPL, as well as everyone else. Or better yet we should abolish copyright laws entirely.3bcb5102bd179464cbd45467def8d3d…
(DIR) Post #AzTCnABfj7SgchJKWO by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:30:52.787511Z
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @lanodan @a1ba we're entitled to fucking your mum
(DIR) Post #AzTCofpFa7Nb2NXkci by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T14:31:09.440883Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan @a1ba you're not either.
(DIR) Post #AzTCpYxIbtUw1GjSIy by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:31:18.396038Z
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @lanodan @a1ba too late
(DIR) Post #AzTCrZfuuCrmpYYq48 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T14:31:41.009169Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan @a1ba except you didn't hope this helps
(DIR) Post #AzTCtWGaY7VCq2dosy by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:31:59.531Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @a1ba@suya.place @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me The GPL is not ideal, but it is the best we can do with the current copyright system. Making everything GPL is not the end goal of the free software movement, the real goal is reforming copyright and other laws in such a way we no longer need the GPL.
(DIR) Post #AzTCzyNUwchblIwzBo by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:33:11.569Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place @hj@shigusegubu.club Technically speaking all modding of games is illegal unless explicitly approved by the developer.
(DIR) Post #AzTD8VlCiIzHc16t5E by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:34:35.044580Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan >Or better yet we should abolish copyright laws entirelyI hope that's how AI vs copyright system battle will end in next decade or two.>But yeah they should release source code for everything under GPLBesides they don't have anything to hide anymore. Literally your cat knows how GoldSrc works because they release Linux binaries with debug information since ~2013 which makes decompiling it into completely human readable code. (and that fact only makes taking leaked code stupider)
(DIR) Post #AzTDBiXbeTLw7THL16 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:35:18.132Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @hj@shigusegubu.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place True, however I am entitled to the code of the software that I own and run on my own computer. Which includes games.
(DIR) Post #AzTDHsylkw3gEKvQOG by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T14:36:26.179027Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @lanodan @a1ba but you're not
(DIR) Post #AzTDNeSudBIExCm2RE by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:37:25.833602Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan >I hope that's how AI vs copyright system battle will end in next decade or two.614ce35a7e4cb20f15e50b234d7155a…
(DIR) Post #AzTDSrBikuSjrQDMzA by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:38:22.252Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @hj@shigusegubu.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place Why not? It's my computer isn't it? And my game that I bought? Why shouldn't I be allowed to do with it what I want?
(DIR) Post #AzTDYBUwfdv8IbkNlY by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T14:39:22.972576Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @lanodan @a1ba you're entitled to the binaries and assets of the game, not the code.
(DIR) Post #AzTDjDOByowJLjqeCe by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T14:40:44.497165Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @a1ba Original sin there being… id software which sold a private license of their game engine, instead of whatever copyleft license.LGPL or MPL (wasn't a thing yet) being the more practical choice for a game engine.Although I much prefer libre games but that's just me being an anarchist. (As with video games almost 100% of the rules are in the code, and libre allows to change those rules, like you would with say a tabletop rpg)
(DIR) Post #AzTDpIEesIJu7LHrBQ by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:42:26.873Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @hj@shigusegubu.club @a1ba@suya.place GPL always is the best choice for a game engine. It means all games that use the game engine will also be free software. This is better for literally everyone.
(DIR) Post #AzTE2IxtTPPo92eMam by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T14:44:43.768772Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @a1ba Well, I'd surely enjoy it, but GPL can be a pain in the ass even when doing full-libre due to license compatibilities issues.(Like OpenSSL wasn't compatible with the GPL until they switched of license when they dropped 0.x versioning)
(DIR) Post #AzTE3kpVMIBIr5Pw0m by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:44:12.385500Z
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @lanodan @hj >binariesI legally bought the license to run the game on my computer, so therefore it should run on my computer.which, surprise, isn't x86. What now?
(DIR) Post #AzTE4uILeWRMV6STKK by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T14:45:17.871955Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan @hj buy an x86 computer and don't be a smartass i suppose
(DIR) Post #AzTE6ywrK2ttVoOdF2 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:45:35.842795Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan @mischievoustomato >i bought a sega game for my dendy
(DIR) Post #AzTE79oOvpffClWX5M by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T14:45:42.302515Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @hj @lanodan or use the apps that exist to run x86 on arm (i doubt you're using anything else)
(DIR) Post #AzTEAXf6iL102kn4kq by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:46:12.046690Z
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@mischievoustomato @SuperDicq @lanodan @hj why should I?maybe game developer or publisher could lend me an x86 machine so I could run their game?(which would only make matters worse, see cloud gaming)
(DIR) Post #AzTEDg9db0hxFcZCHA by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:46:50.584194Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan @mischievoustomato literal monkey paw situation huh
(DIR) Post #AzTENN45QQN4wRakYy by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:48:35.048550Z
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@RedTechEngineer @SuperDicq @lanodan @a1ba @mischievoustomato he's talking about that weird elbrus thing ig
(DIR) Post #AzTEP5TbmzlmyILd3o by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:48:49.878880Z
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@RedTechEngineer @SuperDicq @lanodan @hj @mischievoustomato eh, doesn't run on my elbrus-4c machine
(DIR) Post #AzTER3Mkbim50M4sJE by winet@mastodon.ml
2025-10-22T14:42:38Z
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@SuperDicq Can you elaborate further? I've literally used it for controlling my ROS2 robot. Setup was like on any other computer, but steamdeck conveniently had a gamepad attached to it. If after this it doesn't qualify as open, I don't know what is open anymore
(DIR) Post #AzTER4oREGW3UW2V6W by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:49:11.999Z
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@winet@mastodon.ml @hj@shigusegubu.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Many things on the SteamDeck are locked down, including but not limited to:* Boot firmware (AMD PSP)* GPU drivers* Wifi firmware* Bluetooth firmware* The Steam UI itself* Almost all of the games on Steam itself* Various misc software bundled with the OS
(DIR) Post #AzTERWDBMNLsT4p8vA by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-10-22T14:49:23.057028Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @lanodan @hj no, they sell x86 (that is assumed, due to x86 being what most people use) binaries, if you went and bought it anyway, it's on you
(DIR) Post #AzTEWOdAyLaUP9JAMi by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T14:50:10.639797Z
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@a1ba @SuperDicq @hj @mischievoustomato Literally made me remember games where the code was on the book you'd buy (and IIRC Unix was distributed as source code), still proprietary btw but you do have the code.Also not my generation at all, but I have some of those books.
(DIR) Post #AzTEZRAK0No78OGI88 by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:50:41.061107Z
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@hj @RedTechEngineer @SuperDicq @lanodan @mischievoustomato well initially I meant another weird thing, which is on risc-v :)again, why it should be my problem to run the game in an emulator.there is no techincal reason for Half-Life 1 not to run on almost every computer I own. It hardware capabilities match and even exceed of x86 machines from late 90s.
(DIR) Post #AzTEe99MPiXWhy3eAi by a1ba@suya.place
2025-10-22T14:51:30.339960Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @lanodan @winet >GPU driversit runs FOSS Mesa driversFirmware on the other hand...
(DIR) Post #AzTEk0yzgyWv7E0VY8 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:52:42.503Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @hj@shigusegubu.club @a1ba@suya.place GPL can be a pain in the ass even when doing full-libreThis is not the GPL's fault. It's the other licenses.
(DIR) Post #AzTEs5fq8PtTyttmka by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:54:07.615261Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @winet boot firmware can be replaced. gpu drivers are mesa, firmware can be replaced. wireless firmware can be replaced, you can just not use steam ui at all, you can just not play games on it at all. you can just install custom os on it and not have any proprietary SOFTware on it.
(DIR) Post #AzTEvh8xHQgb3mEgam by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:54:49.382575Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @a1ba GPL deserves criticism thobbd9430d28ccd68e51462959b76a193…
(DIR) Post #AzTEwJJDNjTJQbKPrM by VD15@pl.valkyrie.world
2025-10-22T14:54:53.413496Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @lanodan @a1ba I'm probably going to regret jumping into the daily free software thread, but don't GNU themselves recommend the LGPL in cases like this since there's already a bajillion other game engines out there? https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html
(DIR) Post #AzTF4dzEO1g9sKxFzM by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T14:56:21.449Z
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@hj@shigusegubu.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @winet@mastodon.ml boot firmware can be replacedNope, because no replacement exists.gpu drivers are mesaYes, but mesa with proprietary firmware blobs.wireless firmware can be replacedNope, because no replacement exists.you can just install custom os on it and not have any proprietary SOFTware on itYes, but that's not how it comes out of the box.
(DIR) Post #AzTFGhDEDdjJM4FU12 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T14:58:34.813315Z
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@SuperDicq @lanodan @winet the fact that no replacement exists doesn't mean that it can't be replaced which makes it not-locked-down. You're free to replace it with whatever you want, i.e. just zero wireless firmware out and not use wireless at all.>Yes, but that's not how it comes out of the boxMoving goalposts? the point was whether it's locked down or not, not what it comes out of the box.
(DIR) Post #AzTFRo7MsvQxxPo22S by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T15:00:37.123Z
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@VD15@pl.valkyrie.world @hj@shigusegubu.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place Game engines are not libraries.And also game engines are not interchangeable like libraries are, you typically have to rewrite all code if you're changing to a different game engine.It's not like clib where you just swap out glibc for musl without a care in the world.
(DIR) Post #AzTFSQyWPkWyTGy1AG by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T15:00:39.950234Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @a1ba Nah, I think GPL could really use more flexibility given how more or less permanent licences tend to be, right now it effectively forbids different but comparable restrictions.
(DIR) Post #AzTFcZUpaVWPnKugiG by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T15:02:33.570414Z
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@SuperDicq @VD15 @lanodan @a1ba >you typically have to rewrite all code if you're changing to a different game enginesame with libraries
(DIR) Post #AzTFre5IoLf6MvA0ES by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T15:05:15.686Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @hj@shigusegubu.club @a1ba@suya.place How do you propose we fix it?This is an inherent restriction of the copyright system, everything has to be mentioned explicitly.Other free software licenses have to include an explicit exception for the GPL. If they do not do that, that sucks. But the GPL can't change that.
(DIR) Post #AzTG44PojtanVWgG6y by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T15:07:27.773353Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @VD15 @a1ba NodeJS dev moment I guess, in others you can have little to no code to rewrite like just a namespace declaration swap or changing function names.While game engines typically work more like a framework, and proprietary APIs of course so competitors are unlikely to just use a similar API (heck, game engines seems to love having proprietary programming languages too, like I think only half use Lua or Ruby for scripts).
(DIR) Post #AzTHq7Btp5ZByBdzBg by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T15:27:21.215936Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @a1ba Could be with GPL-strong for the project, and slightly relaxed for projects it's linked to but still stronger than LGPL, like at the very least requiring a libre license.At least I take the copyleft (even weak forms of it) as a way to guarantee ability to take code back for derivative code, and GPL to avoid stuff like proprietary modules (like with open-core), but if it ends up also preventing some libre licences that kinds of defeats the point as then you'd end up using a much weaker copyleft license to allow those but also proprietary.(Also to be clear, I wouldn't want that as a GPLv4, which to me should be for adjustments that makes consensus with at the very least major GPLv3 licensors)
(DIR) Post #AzTHxdtybRiHRpqlaS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T15:28:43.104101Z
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@SuperDicq @a1ba @hj For example https://next.copyleft.org/pages/license-text.html
(DIR) Post #AzTIjO1mvQk47EGniK by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-10-22T15:37:25.799174Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj @a1ba > GPL exceptionsthey sort of don't as long as the obligations don't conflict. and GPL proper doesn't stop open core at all. Minio et all just relicense the whole core and gatekeep features out of core unless you agree to give them the rights to it.A huge part of the problem with VC cancer for me is the gatekeeping. Someone can try to give code to nocodb and upstream says we'll only merge that for the proprietary version (which there was not going to be one until they got series a funding) though it's not a very well written license overall. part of why I liked OSL³ is its very clean to read and understand
(DIR) Post #AzTIxG9ezg2HkgZENk by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-10-22T15:39:56.109657Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @a1ba @hj though law in general depends which idiot judge you get stuck with and how much he's been bribed considering with microsoft that day.the reasonable ones will see that the obligations are attempting to say the same thing and no harm is actually being created. the unreasonable ones only god knows what moronic logic they will invent.
(DIR) Post #AzTJXvwV6agFmNtpa4 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T15:46:27.306893Z
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@icedquinn @SuperDicq @hj @a1ba No license ever can stop the authors from relicensing, this is basic fucking copyright.To prevent relicensing you'd need to have different authors not assigning copyright (hence why I hate CLAs) and refusing the relicensing (and probably also willing to sue if it happens).Or a community fork prior to relicensing.
(DIR) Post #AzTNmAqIu5XLrV2xjk by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T16:33:54.738Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @icedquinn@blob.cat @hj@shigusegubu.club @a1ba@suya.place That's why it's a good idea to assign your copyright to an organization that makes sure that your software stays free like the FSF or the SFC.
(DIR) Post #AzTO95QDDy01i4lgqu by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-10-22T16:38:05.909064Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @lanodan @a1ba and then they fire the chairman to appease a twitter mob and whoever takes over has control of all your software :ablobcatangel:
(DIR) Post #AzTOAcpKVhXRbUFagy by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T16:38:17.850187Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @a1ba Nah, that stuff is outdated and I find it an extremely bad advice to assign copyright to an organisation where you have no rights on their decisions.Outdated because:- You can hire lawyers without assigning them copyright.- For foss as it's public licences, even if you're not the author you can still sue because it's still your rights as a licensee that are violated.
(DIR) Post #AzTOBaOp1NzAMeJGhk by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T16:38:32.274Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place @hj@shigusegubu.club This license is fine because it has explicitly mentioned compatibility with the GPL licenses.
(DIR) Post #AzTOH3aDwZXAKBFf2e by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T16:39:27.441787Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @a1ba Yeah, it's an example of how to do one that's less strict than GPL but still better than LGPL.
(DIR) Post #AzTOIJi3TK90d3W14q by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-10-22T16:39:46.558902Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj @a1ba > you can still sue because it's still your rights as a licensee that are violated.not quite. it -should- be that any aggrieved party has a right to argue, but judges made up a lot of bullshit about "standing" so only privileged people (like the original coder) can raise a suit.
(DIR) Post #AzTONTZcE3X2fY1nLk by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T16:40:37.123577Z
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@icedquinn @SuperDicq @hj @a1ba Source?Also fair warning: If it's US bullshit, I'm going to consider it US bullshit.
(DIR) Post #AzTOPytUkOX2O5WMM4 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T16:41:07.109Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @a1ba@suya.place I find it an extremely bad advice to assign copyright to an organisation where you have no rights on their decisionsThat is not true. Both the FSF and SCF are charity organisations who are by definition obligated to defend the license for you.You can hire lawyers without assigning them copyright.Yes, but that is something you're often not able by yourself because it costs a lot of money.
(DIR) Post #AzTOmhjci8q3pUjs5Q by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T16:45:09.140330Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @a1ba Copyright assignment also means that FSF/SCF/… can do whatever they want to the license including relicensing without your agreement, that's literally the reason why this topic appeared.And if you bring up that they limit it to free software licences, FSF is literally the one that defines what Free Software means, so it's effectively null.
(DIR) Post #AzTP7igUNNYEr6IGbQ by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T16:49:00.618Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @a1ba@suya.place Do you really have so little faith in the FSF that you think the GPLv4 is going to be proprietary?
(DIR) Post #AzTPFKBHMZ2ZAzK0UC by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T16:50:20.741267Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @a1ba No need for GPLv4.AGPLv3 is already a fucking pain of a license when applied to non-network software.
(DIR) Post #AzTPL4V6ZgQcHZKroW by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-22T16:51:26.603Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @a1ba@suya.place AGPLv3 is already a fucking pain of a license when applied to non-network software.That is true, the FSF also does not recommend that you use the AGPLv4 for non-network software. People who do this anyways are kind of stupid.
(DIR) Post #AzTPaPGResll1Un5Um by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-10-22T16:54:09.664077Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @a1ba Well there's those where they just put AGPLv3 because no-Google lol.And others like Oracle and the like using AGPLv3+CLA (see berkdb), and I think they know exactly what they're doing in the same style as open-core does.
(DIR) Post #AzTjAKn1fbmwhRsKu0 by light@noc.social
2025-10-22T18:46:52Z
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@hj @SuperDicq I've heard people make that claim before. why are private companies better than public ones?
(DIR) Post #AzTjALzTCpKwQKhmwC by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-22T20:33:33.676234Z
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@light @SuperDicq it's an extension of "why democracy doesn't really work", basically. So say we have a publicly traded company. Who are the shareholders? Rich people who can afford to buy shares, NOT customers or people interested in company's actual product. What rich people want? To get richer. What do rich people care for in a business? To make more profit. Do they care about anything else? Not really as long as it doesn't affect profits. Those people also like passive income and not get too involved/invested in the business so they don't want to take risks until profits drop too low. What do we get in result? A company run by rich fucks who are only interested in making company being more profitable at expense of pretty much everything else including customers privacy and rights. This most likely undermines company's original purpose and its raison d'être.I'm not saying privately run businesses are inherently good but i'm saying that publicly ran businesses are inherently bad because they ARE ruled by rich fucks.
(DIR) Post #AzVAZHl6y3nWSZ3tnk by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:15:23.923890Z
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@hj @SuperDicq Valve's profits are large enough to make them a small company.Valve previously went public, but they immediately ran into the issues and did a stock buyback.Valve is only interested in getting richer, but they're not so stupid to reduce their own profits - they realized for example that microsoft desperately wants a fatter cut of their profits and are therefore working on slowly removing each shackle and chain windows puts on them, so by the time microsoft decrees that everything must go through the "windows store", they can drop windows.
(DIR) Post #AzVAncRgqrUUfloRSC by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:17:59.480069Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @lanodan @a1ba AGPLv3-variant doesn't do anything different to the GPLv3 when it comes to non-network software - as if the software isn't doing a users computation over a network, then that clause simply does not apply.
(DIR) Post #AzVAwSgWVky50Sy1ei by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T13:19:32.334Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place It reduces license compatibility because a lot of licenses are only compatible with the GPLv3 and not the AGPLv3, so using the AGPLv3 can be annoying if not necessary.
(DIR) Post #AzVBI74LYhPwKyR06a by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:23:30.655146Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @lanodan @a1ba That is the fault of the other licenses, not the AGPLv3.The AGPLv3 and GPLv3 are compatible and can add a GPLv3-or-later part and link the AGPLv3+ part to that;"Notwithstanding any other provision of this License, you have permission to link or combine any covered work with a work licensed under version 3 of the GNU General Public License into a single combined work, and to convey the resulting work. The terms of this License will continue to apply to the part which is the covered work, but the work with which it is combined will remain governed by version 3 of the GNU General Public License."
(DIR) Post #AzVBPh8rq4IcF6AFP6 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T13:24:49.103Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place So do you go against the recommendations of the FSF and use the AGPLv3 for everything instead?
(DIR) Post #AzVBZlgnmqDJF2q9vk by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:26:41.509522Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @lanodan @a1ba I license AGPLv3-or-later for everything unless a project file is already GPLv3-or-later.A recommendation is just a recommendation - the freedom goes to 12.
(DIR) Post #AzVBmygmlVptKA8D6u by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T13:29:01.571Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place Well my LPL2 repo is GPLv3-or-later, I relicensed the BSD-3-clause code taken from OPL2. I don't see the point of using Affero for a program like this.
(DIR) Post #AzVBxdFKpTdI0RN7aq by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T13:30:57.989Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place And before you ask, yes, I've added license headers to every file that also retains the copyright notice from the original authors when applicable.
(DIR) Post #AzVC35z5PT3yaDNQpc by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:31:59.503669Z
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@SuperDicq @VD15 @hj @lanodan @a1ba Changing to a different game engine won't require rewriting everything - although a lot of changes will be required to make the game code work with the different engine and even some re-architecturing will be required if the game engine does certain things completely different.musl is in fact quite inferior to glibc and lacks the fine GNU extensions and any nontrivial program may require some changes to work with musl.
(DIR) Post #AzVC9GxvUihuNWmPhI by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T13:33:03.298Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @VD15@pl.valkyrie.world @hj@shigusegubu.club @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place I'd still say that moving from glibc to musl is trivial compared to moving game engines which can be quite significant.
(DIR) Post #AzVCFTKYR0yQSuJuHQ by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:34:13.687903Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @lanodan @a1ba Unless you are the copyright holder, you don't have permission to relicense BSD 3-clause code.You can license your changes under the GPLv3-or-later, but the copyright notices for the BSD 3-clause need to remain intact (often those were lacking from the sources and in that cause you would add to the license header that the file incorporates code under the below license).
(DIR) Post #AzVCY6cD76NTW8Soee by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:37:35.760267Z
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@hj @winet @SuperDicq @lanodan >boot firmware can be replacedThe boot software cannot be replaced as there are digital handcuffs via a digital signature to stop you from replacing it.>gpu drivers are mesa,Newer AMDGPU cards are digitally handcuffed to stop you from replacing the GPU software.>wireless firmware can be replacedIntel digitally handcuffs their Wi-Fi cards and it is likely that realtek also implements handcuffs for the latest cards.
(DIR) Post #AzVCap1sxCjnqPlgzw by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T13:37:47.193Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place Yes of course I meant my changes. And indeed the headers were lacking from the original source.I believe the only thing that is required to include is the Copyright (c) <year> <author>, correct?
(DIR) Post #AzVCmqRVWctnhcUAro by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T13:40:13.427Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place For files that contain parts of the original code my copyright header looks like this:# Copyright (c) 2013 ingen58, FriarTuck and crazycatz.# Copyright (c) 2025 Jiyu Software.## This file is part of LPL2.## LPL2 is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or# (at your option) any later version.## LPL2 is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; withseveralout even the implied warranty of# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the# GNU General Public License for more details.## You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License# along with LPL2. If not, see <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.I think that is correct. Or do I need to change something that more explicitly states that the original code was BSD-3-clause?
(DIR) Post #AzVCwaNq5Uqon9Pm0O by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:42:01.256112Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @lanodan @a1ba The 3-clause does say; "1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer." thus you are required include the copyright notice and also a copy of the license with the source code.No license looks proprietary, thus if you don't want to include more than one copy of BSD-3, I would recommend adding to each relevant license header;Incorporates code under the 3-clause BSD that is; Copyright (c) <year> <author>
(DIR) Post #AzVCzMmb6wr3TkJyTY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T13:42:28.599Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place And for files that contain only original code the # Copyright (c) 2013 ingen58, FriarTuck and crazycatz. part is removed.
(DIR) Post #AzVDDCmF6oNaV6ko2i by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T13:45:00.397Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place Good point, maybe I should do that. I also currently don't have a copy of the BSD-3 license included in the repository.
(DIR) Post #AzVDV4QEuX8JniysZk by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:48:15.185466Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @lanodan @a1ba Assuming your name is Jiyu Software, for files that were originally BSD-3 clause, the license header would be;# This file is part of LPL2.# Copyright (c) 2025 Jiyu Software.## This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or# (at your option) any later version.## This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but# WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU# General Public License for more details.## You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License# along with this program. If not, see <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.## This file incorporates code under the 3-clause BSD (see BSD-3.txt) that is;# Copyright (c) 2013 ingen58, FriarTuck and crazycatz.I wouldn't recommend changing the text from "this program", as that may make license checker tools fail to identify the license.
(DIR) Post #AzVDafPsnK1rz6TzhA by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:49:15.971152Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @lanodan @a1ba Yes, just the GPLv3+ header in that case is correct;# This file is part of LPL2.# Copyright (c) 2025 Jiyu Software.## This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or# (at your option) any later version.## This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but# WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU# General Public License for more details.## You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License# along with this program. If not, see <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
(DIR) Post #AzVESNxLvXQhTDkkBU by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T13:58:58.377279Z
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@SuperDicq @a1ba @hj @icedquinn @lanodan The existing header is stating that ingen58, FriarTuck and crazycatz licensed under the GPLv3+, which is not correct.
(DIR) Post #AzVEtPGPAsvRLMY6vg by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T14:03:46.886Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @a1ba@suya.place @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me Is it good now? https://codeberg.org/Jiyu/LPL2/commit/569e3a385b6442397b365ccef6e4f79207f57c13
(DIR) Post #AzVF8dnhPOSwlzO1su by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T14:06:36.629316Z
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@SuperDicq @hj @icedquinn @lanodan @a1ba Only so many loads, but it looks good.
(DIR) Post #AzVFEqCoCSiWz45VKq by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-10-23T14:07:41.021Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @icedquinn@blob.cat @lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @a1ba@suya.place Yes, you need javascript to click the "load more" button on codeberg. I have whitelisted codeberg's javascript in LibreJS because it is free however.
(DIR) Post #AzVFOsjbeUX9iuDToO by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-23T14:09:28.430586Z
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@Suiseiseki @winet @SuperDicq @lanodan i geniunely wonder exactly how all of this applies to steamdeck which is mostly custom hardware including its AMD van gogh APU
(DIR) Post #AzVFlNOEMDJtAZwbfU by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T14:13:36.438829Z
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@hj @winet @SuperDicq @lanodan >is mostly custom hardware including its AMD van gogh APUAMD made a few tweaks to an existing APU for steam really.If the integrated GPU is from around the rx 580 series, it's probably not handcuffed, but later it probably is.The CPU is handcuffed regardless.
(DIR) Post #AzVFxOWTyDaQ9uXDSi by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-23T14:15:42.116388Z
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@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq >Valve's profits are large enough to make them a small company.do you mean large company? I disagree, there is a huge difference between company with thousands employees and company with dozen to a hundred. There's way less red tape and less (generally stupid) management, chain of command is smaller and ideas get better traction.>Valve is only interested in getting richer, but they're not so stupid to reduce their own profitsThey're stupid enough to take risks like with OG steam machines, steam link hardware and steam controller, not to mention venture into VR and making steam deck. They take those risks which probably cost them a lot, reducing the actual profit - i forgot the proper term.I'm not saying they're disinterested, they're not a non-profit organization, but they seem to prioritize taking risks and putting money to good use instead of optimizing profits and passively getting more rich by all means necessary.
(DIR) Post #AzVGFuHybU6XtMZqEa by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T14:19:07.633295Z
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@hj @SuperDicq >do you mean large company?Yes, typo.>They're stupid enough to take risks like with OG steam machines, steam link hardware and steam controller, not to mention venture into VR and making steam deck.At no stage were they at any risk as they have that much money - the steam link wasn't really a commercial success, but regardless they cleared out the inventory at less than costs without issues.>optimizing profits and passively getting more rich by all means necessary.That is what they are doing, but they're smart enough to not sabotage their own profitability.
(DIR) Post #AzVGNV32Kh0vvQD3q4 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-23T14:20:25.834803Z
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@Suiseiseki @SuperDicq i guess. But they're still the lesserest evil out there.
(DIR) Post #AzVGO4YoIYE646LQiu by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-10-23T14:20:36.232700Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan @winet The PSP is now needed for RAMinit and it also inits everything else; https://doc.coreboot.org/soc/amd/family17h.htmlThe PSP software has a digital signature to stop you from changing it.
(DIR) Post #AzVHEfd9iYKc5uSRjk by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-10-23T14:30:02.176694Z
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@Suiseiseki @winet @SuperDicq @lanodan all in all this just proves the point that steam deck isn't much different from a regular PC. Whether it's "shit locked down console" depends on your viewpoint.
(DIR) Post #B0Kcb96V3zNOXajBNA by m0xEE@nosh0b10.m0xee.net
2025-11-17T08:59:28Z
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@8qse4sxjxs@minidisc.tokyoNever gets old — got even funnier with all this hype about Valve box, or whatever they call this thing 😆
(DIR) Post #B0Kd154efVLVZWEPk8 by tyler@nicecrew.digital
2025-11-17T09:04:27.061613Z
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Okay sure. I like gog too. But for different reasons than steam.I think a lot of the guys who complain about valve doing well are the lifelong contrarians that will get mad when being racist and sexist goes mainstream.
(DIR) Post #B0KhmtnoHMlyKWPRM8 by Reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info
2025-11-17T09:56:27.330721Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq @hj > Steam takes a 30% cut on games, which is rather bigIs it, tho? Let's not forget Steam hosts not just games but also user content for games (the Steam Workshop), game forums, cloud saves, the ability to download games even years and years after a sale etc.Quite frankly I don't think Steam could keep hosting an ever-increasing catalogue of games and all the other associated features (and also pour money into things like Wine/Proton, DXVK, Mesa, ACO etc)> you cannot sell at a lower price elsewhereitch.io lets you sell at whatever cut you want (including giving the store a flat 0%)
(DIR) Post #B0KhpLabwEWx5bP2sy by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-11-17T09:58:19.226134Z
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@Reiddragon @SuperDicq @lanodan let's not forget that steam also tries to make your game more discoverable
(DIR) Post #B0Ki0asnQ0DphqGuUy by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-11-17T10:00:16.315178Z
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@Reiddragon @SuperDicq @hj Please don't necro threads like this without even checking it in full.
(DIR) Post #B0Ki5QQphc6ojzUoYy by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-11-17T10:01:09.366590Z
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@lanodan @SuperDicq i said it before and i'll say it again - main reason steam is monopoly is because everyone else sucks massive balls. Companies like Epic try to give it some competition and fail miserably because they only care about making profits while valve cares about gamers.
(DIR) Post #B0KiKzqkIlDsvo2dQe by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-11-17T10:03:58.149365Z
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@hj @SuperDicq And this is exactly why I don't want it to be necro'd, fuck this shit I'm off.For the broken records: Epic basically doesn't exists to me.
(DIR) Post #B0Kkj97ffzKOY7bLVY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-11-17T10:30:46.535Z
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@lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me @Reiddragon@fedi.reimu.info @hj@shigusegubu.club Just mute thread man
(DIR) Post #B0KtYtR22zFiaPqKW0 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-11-17T12:09:50.573076Z
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@hj @SuperDicq @lanodan Valve doesn't care about gamers - they simply have the business sense to ensure there's a minimal amount of proprietary friction - if the sucker presses the "purchase" button, downloads and presses "play" - generally the game just runs.