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(DIR) Post #Az56pGjl5DtfztpxL6 by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:34:21Z
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🧵 arguing that all responses to a new post (the original post of any thread) and responses to those responses should be routed to all the participants through the instance hosting the original poster (and that all responses should mandatorily inherit the privacy level of the original post, and also mandatorily inherit the “privacy group” of recipients set by the original post).#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56pI409RgS6yJdWy by silverpill@mitra.social
2025-10-10T23:30:14.521366Z
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@feralthoughts You're describing Conversation Containers.
(DIR) Post #Az56pM0bU1LILakyn2 by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:34:38Z
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All the points I am making in this thread were already made in various branches of https://union.place/@feralthoughts/115345717793512758but they are scattered all over the thread, so I am accumulating them here in one place.#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56pRTVA0QfIfJd1k by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:35:13Z
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There were some fascinating points made in response to the thread https://union.place/@feralthoughts/115345717793512758I wrote yesterday.Specifically, this post by @jdp23 https://neuromatch.social/@jdp23/115347779737594231and this one by @osma https://mas.to/@osma/115348375715047778#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56pXUQnSjnxHnSJE by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:35:47Z
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My account is default public, and I am more of a lurker (because I am from the global south, and there’s no community for me here); so the peculiar dynamics that @jdp23 highlighted had never occurred to me—that the followers-only reply to a followers-only post will be visible only to the followers of the responding poster and NOT the followers of the OP. #Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56pdaK8T14rIbFKK by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:36:16Z
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This means a followers-only thread is going to be utterly broken, with each reply being visible only to a random subset of participants. And then it is common on the Fedi for people to randomly tag others, which will cause even more disorientation.#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56pjlX9hY41ntHdI by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:36:37Z
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Then there’s the issue of harassment of black users discussed inhttps://union.place/@feralthoughts/115345717793512758#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56pq1hsU3BRhVHfs by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:37:09Z
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I have had this in mind for quite some time, but I think a reasonable solution to all of the above issues would be to make the original poster and the original post the authority over the entire thread. I am combining the points made by @jdp23 and @osma here, and trying to generalize. #Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56pwGofDhYoIcR3g by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:37:53Z
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Not only should every subsequent post in the thread inherit the original privacy level, but it should also inherit the “privacy group” of recipients set by the OP (followers-only, mentioned-people-only, etc.) What happens if some reply post tags an outsider? What ought to happen?Not sure, maybe tagging should be forbidden for follower-only posts? And replies should be forbidden from tagging anyone in mentioned-people-only posts?#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56q2aBC8kuO5iz4a by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:38:16Z
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So if the OP posts a follower-only post, all subsequent posts should be restricted to the followers of the OP, not the followers of the respondent.#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56q8b6pb432iCoM4 by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:38:37Z
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In addition, all of the subsequent posts, even posts that do not tag the OP, should be routed through the original poster’s instance.#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56qEsLUQPuVuJf3Q by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:39:03Z
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So... say, user UA on instance A writes a new post. User UB on instance B replies. User UC on instance C replies to UB’s post. User UD replies to UC’s post. UD’s post should reach instances C and B though A (D -> A -> C and D -> A -> B). Same with all other replies.This may also give the OP the authority to delete any subsequent post in that thread.#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56qLTQxReIyfiMhE by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:39:31Z
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In other words, a new post should be treated somewhat like a blog, and every response and response-to-a-response should be treated somewhat like comments under a blog.#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56qRIfIObH30iqkC by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:39:53Z
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I think this will also eliminate the need to tag the users one is responding to, for them to receive notifications. That will save many characters which can be used for actual post content. (The need to tag in Mastodon-like platforms is a headache. If there are too many people participating in a conversation, then a whole lot of characters are lost in tags. In addition, one also has to think of hashtags. So very few characters are left for the actual post.)#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56qWzO8ykIgxkXWy by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:40:18Z
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I believe Mike Macgirvin’s ActivityPub-based #Forte behaves in the fashion I have described above. So it may be worth checking out.#Fediverse #Mastodon(continues)
(DIR) Post #Az56qcyBuLLxEzEfUu by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-10T20:40:38Z
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I understand the above proposal is vesting enormous authority in the original poster, and can be abused. For example, someone can post something controversial or abhorrent, and then delete all responses challenging that viewpoint. But then the responder has the option to write a new post and link to the abhorrent post.But at least there will be lot more clarity, compared to the present situation. I think it will also make future development easier.#Fediverse #Mastodon
(DIR) Post #AzLOZEgvpOvWiwNVho by osma@mas.to
2025-10-11T06:03:17Z
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If Mike's pioneering work would be accepted by other developers (particularly Eugen), fedi would be in a much, much better shape. Alas... @feralthoughts
(DIR) Post #AzLOZF0QeuWThPV560 by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-13T20:47:05Z
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@osma I was wondering if #Forte is the only #ActivityPub software to implement Conversation Containers and Nomadic Identity. Do you know of any others?
(DIR) Post #AzLOZFwv9RJKcornGa by osma@mas.to
2025-10-13T22:22:55Z
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I'm not an expert on the subject, but.. https://hubzilla.org/page/info/timelinehttps://wedistribute.org/2024/03/activitypub-nomadic-identity/That is, to the best of my knowledge it's all Mike. @feralthoughts
(DIR) Post #AzLOZGRPK5hI9N88mm by feralthoughts@union.place
2025-10-14T01:19:44Z
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@osma I know about Hubzilla and (streams), but they are both based on Nomad/Zot protocol. I was asking about software based on ActivityPub. I guess then Forte is the only ActivityPub-based software to implement Conversation Containers and Nomadic Identity.