Post AzKq77CChqPYvWQPAW by GothicAnon@pone.social
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(DIR) Post #AzKjQnBe6qbYyybEuW by GothicAnon@pone.social
2025-10-18T12:06:26Z
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGe_fq68x-Q>Huawei 96GB GPU>it cost 1/3 of what Nvidia is offering>its about 80% slower than Nvidia cardsnot gonna lie, if they sort out proper driver support for linux I feel like it may be good good idea to put one of these in own mini (offline!) server to work on random ai projects (specially if the DeepSeek people will come up with a new models improvement).
(DIR) Post #AzKjQogsWDBLe8DhEO by soapone@pone.social
2025-10-18T12:24:08Z
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@GothicAnon I certainly wouldn't. Huawei is ran by the CCP and like everything ran by the CCP, is funded by slave labor (including children)
(DIR) Post #AzKmwpFGI9ekUmG0Jc by uis@pone.social
2025-10-18T13:03:35Z
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@soapone @GothicAnon > (including children)That's Congo's and their cobalt mining.But Foxconn shit does sound like slave labor.
(DIR) Post #AzKq77CChqPYvWQPAW by GothicAnon@pone.social
2025-10-18T13:33:35Z
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@uis @soapone I hear all of yous, and I hate the fact that there isn't a good alternative to this (other than giving up on tech and living innna woods like uncle Ted).Nvidia will keep jewing things up, since they have the whole gpu market in their pockets (crypto/data centers/gaming/etc).AMD obviously is going along by NOT producing a product that is of equal power OR in much lower price (AMD CEO and Nvida CEO are related btw).(...)
(DIR) Post #AzKq78osfWwXxlWo5o by soapone@pone.social
2025-10-18T13:39:03Z
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@GothicAnon @uis we'll see what the next generation of videocard will be for AMD. They did get a huge contract with OpenAI very recently though.
(DIR) Post #AzKq7Dasuziclo1CTI by GothicAnon@pone.social
2025-10-18T13:39:02Z
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@uis @soapone (...) USA is only now starting to get serious about modern chip production (and will most likely take 5~10 years to get factories running & set up stable supply chain).EU is a joke, since they are going out of their way to legislatively sabotage almost all manufacturing (there was a company that was caught "producing" electronics by buying up parts from China and putting them together in EU).
(DIR) Post #AzKqqLnNGwEREnNgOm by GothicAnon@pone.social
2025-10-18T13:47:14Z
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@soapone @uis well, I hope something good will come out of it than, im getting kind of tired when lurking in /g/ and getting responses "do not bother with cards from X Y Z series, the drivers are super unstable unless you feel like spending a month making and testing your own configurations"
(DIR) Post #AzKxOraOBJcXPB9CLo by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.world
2025-10-18T15:00:34.281690Z
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@GothicAnon @soapone @uis Not a good bet that a hardware company that's the usual not good to awful with software will suddenly get good at it.Yeah, Lisa Su is a first cousin once removed, of Jensen Huang, distant enough that per Wikipedia Huang didn't know of her existence until she became AMD's CEO. Problem is, Su is not just pure hardware, she's proud of her software ignorance and clearly does not get it at all.There's no reason to believe AMD for "OpenAI" for example, with what's close to an IDIQ contract, won't satisfy it with another "happy path" software solution as they've done for HPC. That is, one that works for one thing, not general purpose from the beginning like CUDA.Huang and his Nivida are unique for big companies at being very good at both hardware and software. CUDA is a huge, sustained twenty one years investment. AMD's corporate culture is just not capable of that sort of thing.Intel is/was better at software, and might be a better belt if Pat Gelsinger hadn't screwed up the turnaround so badly including not firing the pajeet in charge of GPUs when he became CEO. Lots of people are being laid off, and the last I checked they were saying they'd cancel their next 14A node unless they can land at least one "whale" outside customer."USA is only now starting to get serious about modern chip production (and will most likely take 5~10 years to get factories running"You mean the CHIPS Act? New stuff was already happening before it (especially before "Biden" delayed its start by a year by larding up the regulations with DEI etc.).TSMC Arizona is already making earlier node chips, but is still entirely dependent on Taiwan for making masks, the nasty computation part of it (which uses Nvida GPUs) and Intel about to, or not, go into HVM with their new and most feature advanced in the world 18A. Nobody else in the world including Samsung as of late is competitive at the bleeding edge, although there's plenty of earlier node production here and more in progress.
(DIR) Post #AzKzDXyMxjlHIa5zd2 by uis@pone.social
2025-10-18T15:20:31Z
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@GothicAnon @soapone are you not on linux?
(DIR) Post #AzKzDZASWH1h0MlA6y by soapone@pone.social
2025-10-18T15:21:04Z
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@uis @GothicAnon yeah I'm using EndeavorOS
(DIR) Post #AzKzYdcd9ZYytvz6LA by uis@pone.social
2025-10-18T15:24:52Z
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@soapone edited.Just got confused by reply to Gothic. AMD drivers on Linux are stable.
(DIR) Post #AzL11VJdDPzRUWQTvE by uis@pone.social
2025-10-18T15:36:49Z
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@ThatWouldBeTelling @GothicAnon @soapone There is so much wrong with it, but I can't point to something specific in first part.> Huang and his Nivida are unique for big companies at being very good at both hardware and software.Wrong.> AMD's corporate culture is just not capable of that sort of thing.Almost there. ATI, not AMD. This shit continues from before AMD bought it.ATI corporate culture of bullshit and secrecy bullshit sabotages good drivers since 2007.(wordlimit)
(DIR) Post #AzL11WlJpxjPygO6iW by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.world
2025-10-18T15:41:19.834659Z
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@uis @GothicAnon @soapone Up to you to provide examples of other big companies that are very good at both hardware and software. If there are any I've missed, I'd like to know!When AMD's software incompetence starts at the very top (well, CEO, don't know about the board except they picked and still support Su), does it matter if the GPU division is particularly bad because it inherited its software culture from ATI??
(DIR) Post #AzL11bUqEeWQf1iWEC by uis@pone.social
2025-10-18T15:39:01Z
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@ThatWouldBeTelling @GothicAnon @soapone What's wrong with Intel GPUs?
(DIR) Post #AzL2OZGSndAsLxVQCO by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.world
2025-10-18T15:56:43.301583Z
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@uis @GothicAnon @soapone "What's wrong with Intel GPUs?"Before PG became CEO, they hired a known failure from AMD to lead their efforts. Very possibly through the usual Indian ethnocentric networking.In datacenter space they've been a disaster, now with early deprecation signs, in gaming/consumer space I gather they're good (and I might end up buying one if AMD's iGPU's support is bad), but are probably not making any money for the company.Oh, yeah, the new CEO has officially given up on trying for the training market in favor of trying to compete in inference. Putting Intel in tension between his demand for all new products earning a high margin, and needing to have at minimum an AI story for shareholders.Consumer space software is somewhat immature but getting better, but we won't know how sustainable that will be with the layoffs, and it's hard to see the best talent wanting to risk continuing to work for Intel.See also new "Intel's EVP and GM Data Center group" leader Kevork Kechichian stating earlier this month:"We need to find a balance where we use [our open-source software] as an advantage to Intel and not let everyone else take it and run with it.""We are very proud of our open-source contributions. We are going to keep on doing that. However, like I mentioned, I want to make sure that it gives us an edge against everyone else."https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-open-source-2025
(DIR) Post #AzL3feWyZYexYzwL8y by uis@pone.social
2025-10-18T15:50:29Z
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@ThatWouldBeTelling @GothicAnon @soapone Every hardware company that is bad with consumers. Or at least they make everyone call them good at both hardware and software to justify their lawfare.John Deere? "Good with hardware and software" in DRM ass. Intel? Intel ME, Intel YOU. AMD? Slowly goes there. Novidea? You tell me.Up to you to provide examples of AMD part of AMD being bad with software.
(DIR) Post #AzL3ffhIEgVTBHm5rc by ThatWouldBeTelling@shitposter.world
2025-10-18T16:10:58.313613Z
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@uis @GothicAnon @soapone Sorry I wasn't clear, I'm saying Nvidia is basically alone at being good at both hardware and software. You're citing examples of companies that aren't, unless "Novidea" is Nvidia.Surely I don't have to point out that CUDA has been a sustained thing since its first release in 2007, works a lot better than the competition starting at the lowest level of reliability including per board resets, retains backwards compatibility for about eight years, and allows any Nvidia GPU including the one in your manager's laptop to run their stuff (that is, cost of entry is very very low).TL;DR: Nvidia understands software ecosystems including seeding projects.The AMD part of AMD is no prize, AGESA is reported to take months after the release of a new chip family to get stable, and now see the RDRAND problem which exists for multiple Zen 5 families. There's probably more, I'm still working on getting my new AMD system configured to be my new main one.