Post AzIu9wEnuoy9JIK5Im by 1lya@social.vivaldi.net
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 (DIR) Post #AzGfLIxZt7s5L3J8Ay by rperezrosario@mastodon.social
       2025-10-16T05:44:53Z
       
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       "I'm a programmer with a Fediverse account. I spend *most* of my programming hours on this OS:"Please consider boosting for a more statistically significant result. #poll #programming #operatingsystems
       
 (DIR) Post #AzGfLKc1kDoySnEwrY by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2025-10-16T13:19:32.156224Z
       
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       @rperezrosario If only he could see this and he could see my message that Linux isn't even an OS and where's the GNU's Not Unix?
       
 (DIR) Post #AzIu9s2xUv7KJOkZHc by daltux@snac.daltux.net
       2025-10-16T20:33:32Z
       
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       🔘 Other: :gnu: GNU's Not Unix, literally, and it is the actual operating system I spend all my programming time on, not plain "Linux". Linux — or, even better, :freedo: GNU Linux-libre — is the kernel it uses, just like others do, such as Android.If we call everything the same, then macOS qualifies as Unix too—let's try more generic terms such as "POSIX" or "Unix-like".All these projects deserve their distinct recognition.#GNU #GNULinux #Unix #POSIX
       
 (DIR) Post #AzIu9tbjh6Wv9Y1r84 by restorante@social.linux.pizza
       2025-10-17T04:24:57Z
       
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       @daltux If we refer operating system as a peanut, of course everything between kernel and shell are the components of the OS.On the other hand, it can be argued as well that operating system is kernel.If I am not mistaken, books on operating system also usually focus on kernel as well.But yes, usually distributions of various operating systems include a wide variety of tools.Notepad, calculator, WordPad, magnifiyer have been part of Windows from many years ago.Note: I am not in any way against GNU or the FSF. I am also not particularly supporting a view or another on the nature of operating system.#Unix #GNU #Windows
       
 (DIR) Post #AzIu9ub415aQDkipii by daltux@snac.daltux.net
       2025-10-17T11:54:07Z
       
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       I see your point, and I understand the operating system definition can depend on the context—whether you see it as just the kernel or the complete system.I'm not sure if even the @fsf@hostux.social would fully endorse my view, but I find their logic compelling. Here is the central question: unless you are running a pure kernel like #Linux by itself (a project focused on a #kernel, hosted at kernel.org), then calling the entire system "Linux" isn't a meaningful name for a complete, usable #OS. I recognize what people usually refer to as "Linux" is, in fact, a system designed to be #GNU.To illustrate: if we apply the logic of naming the whole system after its kernel, then why do we call it "Android" and not just "Linux"? After all, #Android uses Linux too, yet we correctly recognize it as a distinct system.So why is GNU so often forgotten and replaced by "Linux" when talking about personal or server computers? (Only in this context?) I believe this isn't accidental—it often overlooks the deeper vision of a project designed from the start to ensure software freedom for its users.When we are running only the kernel (whatever the purpose may be), then by all means, let's call the OS "Linux." But when it's part of a larger, distinct system—like the GNU OS—then it should be recognized as such.I'd like to add a final thought: I know it can sometimes be annoying to insist on this when it seems that everyone understands what "Linux" means, even if we disagree with the term. But this is part of the advocacy—sometimes it involves emphasizing a technicality that may even be controversial, in order to reinforce public awareness of GNU and the philosophy of free software.A brief debate like this one, right here, may be enough for someone to realize what GNU is, which is already a desired outcome. Who knows, it might even spark a flame of curiosity, leading them to research this fascinating topic further.@restorante@social.linux.pizzaCC: @gnu@forum.ayom.media  @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br#GNUlinux #operatingSystem #FreeSoftware #SoftwareFreedom #SoftwareLivre #SoftwareLibre #NoOpenSource #OpenSource #computing #computação
       
 (DIR) Post #AzIu9wEnuoy9JIK5Im by 1lya@social.vivaldi.net
       2025-10-17T11:57:46Z
       
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       @daltux Why not call Android a Linux system?
       
 (DIR) Post #AzIu9wr5cTatE2Eeye by daltux@snac.daltux.net
       2025-10-17T12:02:36Z
       
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       This is my point! I disagree but I would rest if people applied the same logic to the phone, if they really believe "Linux" is an operating system by itself... :shrugging:
       
 (DIR) Post #AzIu9xU5HUmnAyTnl2 by daltux@snac.daltux.net
       2025-10-17T13:05:48Z
       
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       It's interesting to see that now, as Android becomes even more restrictive—with Google declaring it will block the installation of apps from developers it hasn't explicitly approved—many people are waking up and asking for "Linux" smartphones.But the logic doesn't add up.They correctly identify "Android" as a restrictive system and seek freedom elsewhere. They understand that "Android" and "Linux" are not the same thing, because they are not, in this case, asking for "Android phones with more freedom," but specifically for "Linux phones".Yet, when it comes to the desktop, this same clarity vanishes. If a "Linux phone" is different from an "Android phone," even though both use Linux, the kernel, then why is a "Linux desktop" not recognized as being, in its most common form, actually a GNU desktop?The very inconsistency in their naming proves the point: the system is more than its kernel. When they want freedom, they look for a different system, whatever the kernel is, even when they don't know what a kernel is—and that's perfectly fine. They want something with freedom more like they already have on the desktop, which, in its classic free form, is GNU. This is how we can easily distinguish them with less confusing terms.#GNU #Linux #Android #FreeSoftware #DigitalFreedom
       
 (DIR) Post #AzKg7VDgO3TltTf8zo by a1ba@suya.place
       2025-10-18T11:46:53.035394Z
       
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       @rperezrosario what's Unix supposed to be? Like... is this an option for those who daily drive Unix V7 on their trusty PDP-11?