Post Aywm38NNJVaJonSSn2 by BenAveling@mastodon.ie
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(DIR) Post #Aywg3sqDxPliCdvU3c by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-10-06T20:47:32Z
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More #Bluesky #drama for youSomeone was suspendedDeath threats? Plain criticism? I didn't investigateBut:The suspension affects #Blacksky as wellAll this talk about the *promise* of #decentralizationBut that is not the realityCultists buy the promise and ignore the realityCome to #Mastodon / #FediverseOh we have drama tooSome instances suspend out of capricious bullshit, a Spanish InquisitionBut you still have reach:We are truly #decentralizedhttps://bsky.app/profile/gregpak.net/post/3m2htgspjkc26
(DIR) Post #Aywm34c7Il049MKBDE by irelephant@calckey.world
2025-10-06T20:59:24.668Z
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@benroyce@mastodon.social I think calling bluesky users who like atproto cultists is ironic. The suspension doesn't affect my bluesky servers.
(DIR) Post #Aywm35Sa9gy2m4s4zQ by BenAveling@mastodon.ie
2025-10-06T21:36:42Z
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Link isn't blocked for you?@irelephant @benroyce
(DIR) Post #Aywm36Hd5tnhKOkqYa by irelephant@calckey.world
2025-10-06T21:37:24.311Z
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@BenAveling@mastodon.ie @benroyce@mastodon.social No, the link works fine.
(DIR) Post #Aywm36wkd0h5NvzgeW by BenAveling@mastodon.ie
2025-10-06T21:38:19Z
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Not the link to bluesky, the user named Link.@irelephant @benroyce
(DIR) Post #Aywm37a6GiAZLyP6zA by irelephant@calckey.world
2025-10-06T21:38:44.185Z
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@BenAveling@mastodon.ie @benroyce@mastodon.social Oh, sorry. I can still see and interact with the user.
(DIR) Post #Aywm38NNJVaJonSSn2 by BenAveling@mastodon.ie
2025-10-06T21:40:43Z
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How does that happen when people on the same instance can't see them?@irelephant @benroyce
(DIR) Post #Aywm39BMJfZEJoqNhQ by ricci@discuss.systems
2025-10-06T23:00:08Z
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@BenAveling @irelephant @benroyce @mastodonmigration The reason is that the data model is different; Mastodon combines several things that atproto separates out.The user in question's data is stored on a server (PDS) that is not owned by Bluesky PBC. However, most other atproto applications are currently using the relay and appview provided by Bluesky - without going into too much detail, these components provide the "full world" view; this is why bluesky looks more like Twitter than the fediverse does, because here, we only have a local view, with as many bits of the bigger world that our own instances happen to know about. (For example, most of this thread is not on my instance, for whatever reason, I think maybe we have one of the instances in the thread muted, so I had to lock over to mastodon dot social to see all of it.) The account in this case is blocked at that 'big world view' level, which means that most atproto users still cannot see it, even if their data is hosted on the same PDS.There are various efforts in various stages of nearing completion to run independent relays and appviews. The timing of this incident is fortuitous in some ways because it demonstrates exactly why those are needed, and why there need to be a whole lot more of them to achieve actual decentralization.
(DIR) Post #AywmKoHal6BOiFBJwG by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-10-06T23:03:37Z
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@ricci @BenAveling @irelephant @mastodonmigration greatand i'll take what works over what is promised
(DIR) Post #AywnFUj48w7IZ33scy by ricci@discuss.systems
2025-10-06T23:13:48Z
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@irelephant @BenAveling @benroyce The point of course, though, is that right now, with atproto, one company can (and now has) cut someone off from more than 99.5% of the network. I'm sure they are happy to be able to interact with the other 0.5%, but that's a pretty small consolation.The most power any one organization has in the fediverse is to cut you off from 25%; that's Mastodon GMBH (mastodon dot social and dot online). In fact, to cut you off from 99% of the fediverse, it would take 8,279 instance administrators to act.These are extremely different situations in practice.
(DIR) Post #Aywni6YR5hh3znjRLs by bitsnpieces@mastodon.social
2025-10-06T21:20:17Z
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@mastodonmigration @benroyce This is something I have not been able to understand. HOW are people of color being targeted here in such a way that I don't see it? What is the method being used? If I don't see what is happening I can't help in any way. It's maddening to know that people are being harassed in such a targeted way. If I see it, I can respond/report and support as best I can. However this is being done, it's on purpose to keep non-targeted people from seeing it
(DIR) Post #Aywni7qYHpmM0HDQEC by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-10-06T21:34:22Z
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@bitsnpieces @mastodonmigration i remember reading @mekkaokereke 's delineation of the #harassment of #black folk around a year agoessentially using nonpublic #replyguy bullshit. other methodsyou can say "well just block and move on"but the reality is it is a degradation of your experience and enjoyment of #mastodon and drives you from the #fediversetargeted harassment is not unique to mastodonbut it is a real, here. and we should careit needs to be addressed with a beefier toolset
(DIR) Post #Aywni9AnM3Z87Lh6Q4 by ricci@discuss.systems
2025-10-06T23:18:58Z
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@mastodonmigration @benroyce @bitsnpieces @mekkaokereke I can also specifically recommend reading these two pieces about how the Fediverse structurally fails some folks (and Black folks in particular)https://www.techpolicy.press/the-whiteness-of-mastodon/ (with Jonathan Flowers, who used to be here and left, and who is in the screenshot at the top of this thread)... andhttps://logicmag.io/policy/blackness-in-the-fediverse-a-conversation-with-marcia-x/ (who as far as I know is still here)
(DIR) Post #Aywnq4ykpgGvQTqQxU by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-10-06T23:20:28Z
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@ricci @mastodonmigration @bitsnpieces @mekkaokereke yup it's a real problem. it needs to be solved
(DIR) Post #AywpJPHeWDeMkiETUu by ricci@discuss.systems
2025-10-06T23:36:54Z
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@irelephant @BenAveling @benroyce by the way, for anyone reading this thread that is on Mastodon (sorry, it uses the masto client APIs), I built this tool to help you see how much of your own personal social network is tied to various organizations:https://moderation-explorer.online/
(DIR) Post #AywpY2IkFURnokieci by benroyce@mastodon.social
2025-10-06T23:39:36Z
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@ricci @irelephant @BenAveling 🧐 thank you
(DIR) Post #Ayxuo516c941nltkOW by irelephant@calckey.world
2025-10-07T07:20:06.678Z
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@ricci@discuss.systems @BenAveling@mastodon.ie @benroyce@mastodon.social Do you consider email decentralised? Gmail and outlook has more than 70% of the market share, and they are very willing to cut off your access to their servers if your email server looks suspicious. What about matrix (the protocol), 70% of users are on matrix.org, with another large amount on servers hosted by element. The problem with requiring users to be spread out between nodes for something to be decentralised is that it's completely arbitrary. If you consider decentralisation to be the inverse of centralisation (where there is only one provider), then bluesky is decentralised. Sure, it has a very prominent node, but so does matrix.
(DIR) Post #Ayxuo5xF7zZIi56B0q by ricci@discuss.systems
2025-10-07T12:13:15Z
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@irelephant @BenAveling @benroyce Decentralization is not binary; the distribution of users across participants is not at all arbitrary, it can be measured (see for example https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/ which uses several metrics, including ones from economics and ecology), and it has extremely important consequences, such as the one this thread is about.Email is not in a very healthy state for exactly the reason you cite - I don't have numbers that include the long tail (or I would add them to the site above) but yes, in fact, anyone who runs their own email server is painfully aware of the hoops that one has to jump through to satisfy the few biggest providers, because failure to do so cuts you off from most of the network. And, by any measure, it is substantially less centralized that atproto is today.Yes, the design of the protocol matters, yes, the existence of some network participants that are not the central provider matters, but the actual numbers and their actual practical impact matter - without looking at those, the argument is about dogma, not participant's experiences.
(DIR) Post #AyyOdfVDcOR4Opw14a by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-10-07T16:53:26Z
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@CppGuy "Block and move" presuppose harassment is rare, so when you move, it "goes away".The suggestion by an american adult pretty much states that the utterer is an unquestioning part of the harassment fabric of the culture; maybe not an overt bigot but a passive one who "doesn't see" it. And not seeing anti-black racism and other prejudices unfold in the US, today in 2025, pretty much means you're an active racist.@benroyce @bitsnpieces @mastodonmigration @mekkaokereke