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(DIR) Post #AytaWPDE0vTXVc1Qci by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-05T10:07:07Z
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Innocently I thought "I wonder what W. Shakespeare thought about religion, his plays are pretty Christian as one would expect, but there's other stuff in there..."Big Mistake.There is this whole crabby old debate, a squabble about if he's "secretly Catholic" from the time when asking this question would mostly be about Catholic vs. Protestant ... ring the boxing bell... FIGHT.It's really instructive to read both sides of this old debate because they are both missing the point.
(DIR) Post #AytaoCW9x10LLkMcls by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-05T10:10:20Z
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The debate is really about trying to claim an important cultural icon for "The Catholics" or "The Protestants" and it's just very silly looking from a modern standpoint. Lots of tenuous readings of little scraps of text. It's interesting how *not* relevant the argument feels from a modern standpoint. And what is that about? Maybe that is the more interesting question.
(DIR) Post #Aytb12uoxlhVKk1Yiu by autisticphotographer@mas.to
2025-10-05T10:12:38Z
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@futurebird This is what happened in England back then to anyone who allowed it be found that they weren't religious in an approved way: https://hethersettherald.weebly.com/mathew-hamont.html
(DIR) Post #AytbD6lSTieykJOdyi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-05T10:14:48Z
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@autisticphotographer Oh, there were real stakes, but they seem so alien from a modern perspective. But also some of the plays are obviously written for the Queen and seem kind of sincere in their adulation. One needs patrons to run a theater. It ain't that deep.
(DIR) Post #AytbPAKN3ZRPGuTZbc by Scmbradley@mathstodon.xyz
2025-10-05T10:16:58Z
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@futurebird now I just want to categorise shakespeare plays into Catholic plays and protestant plays. Like twelfth night is catholic. Lear is Protestant. Timon of Athens: protestant. Most of the comedies are catholic. The tempest is Protestant.
(DIR) Post #AytbPz9877kisobofI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-05T10:17:01Z
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@CCochard @astronomerritt I keep forgetting this. And really I should stop resisting learning about this whole conflict. But part of why I resist is because I know ENOUGH about UK history. I know too much about it. I want to save room in my little brain for something else.
(DIR) Post #AytbYANWElVs2GExyy by jenesuispasgoth@pouet.chapril.org
2025-10-05T10:18:37Z
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@futurebird i thought ants had the most real estate...? @CCochard @astronomerritt
(DIR) Post #AytbaeR3SNqTpp4xsG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-05T10:19:07Z
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@jenesuispasgoth @CCochard @astronomerritt It is impossible to know "too much" about ants.
(DIR) Post #AytboHGIPcK819Xnv6 by DrorBedrack@mastodon.social
2025-10-05T10:21:31Z
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@futurebird but these types of discussions still happen today.It's much more horrifying, but we see discussion after every mass shooting - which side was the shooter on?
(DIR) Post #Aytcdy8ekzZFlZcSTg by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-05T10:30:54Z
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@autisticphotographer As a modern reader when I wonder "how Christian is this writer's work?" I'm interested in if they cared about the story of Jesus and if they put some of those themes in their work. Because some writers REALLY care and others not so much. It's interesting. But the game of claiming historical figures for one team or another isn't as interesting to me.
(DIR) Post #Ayte2yCNlpZJ98qbA0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-05T10:46:32Z
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@pthane Can we send them back?
(DIR) Post #AyteeOIdgt4ooNcM0e by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-10-05T10:53:20Z
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@futurebird the religious whims of the ruling class are part of it, and that has a lot do with how much authority the Pope would have in governing England. Henry VIII couldn't have a divorce with rule of the Pope, so he created the Church of England with himself as its head. that's the Anglican church, just one of several different Protestant movements. during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I, Catholics were treated horribly, and that's why there's a poem about the fifth of November. there is a lot of this kind of power struggle in English ruling class history, probably none of which ever really improved anyone's life.
(DIR) Post #Ayti7bb5d50qJVrzk0 by copiesofcopies@social.coop
2025-10-05T11:32:10Z
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@futurebird highly unlikely someone as enlightened as Shakespeare identified strongly with any denomination, is how I see it.
(DIR) Post #Aytw8hv30buHZJcmp6 by PizzaDemon@mastodon.online
2025-10-05T14:09:19Z
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@futurebird https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxyH7B3jxSdgNLOUuOchg8HjQXV0OkOdEf?si=K1kM2Hl-4SBgk4MZ