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(DIR) Post #AynVbRw3eSZYgPoo64 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T11:43:44Z
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Meta Vibes is a new facebook AI video "creation" tool and tiktok like short form video feed. I think it's just a way to create more demand for those data centers. People who really want to make content have found limited uses for AI, but have also experienced backlash from their audiences. "Vibes" skips this problem by eliminating this segment of the audience. Everything in vibes is AI and anyone can be a "creator" ... wow.Will we see "viral vibes?" (this new jargon is destroying my soul)
(DIR) Post #AynVphb2Dn0tJCmV3g by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T11:46:19Z
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That said, I think this is a lot like when a celebrity runs a "charity auction" but you can only participate using the obscure crypto currency they are vested in. It's a kind of pumping scam. Not enough people are using AI to make videos so here is a way to try to make people use AI to make videos. On "vibes" you have no choice. The desperation propping up the bubble keeps becoming more and more visible.
(DIR) Post #AynVshMxWQGvTPcswS by GinevraCat@toot.community
2025-10-02T11:46:49Z
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@futurebird 🤢 That's awful!
(DIR) Post #AynWe3Ub5OtxhJmRSy by miblo@mas.to
2025-10-02T11:55:23Z
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@futurebird Totally. I'd like to think "manufactured demand" is becoming a touchstone phrase for teens today, as "manufactured band" was for me.
(DIR) Post #AynXZhDq2p6XQJQWXY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T12:05:50Z
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If AI was really the wonderful creative tool it's sold as people would line up to pay for it. You wouldn't need to push it, you wouldn't need to give it away to boost up the usage numbers. Imagine if it could really make, say a video that was what you wanted. Not something that's kind of like what you wanted that gives you motion sickness, but work of a quality of a master animator working with you for a month to get it right. But it can't deliver. This is what I keep coming back to.
(DIR) Post #AynYZw1X73DBHeLgci by jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt
2025-10-02T12:17:01Z
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@futurebird (on Sora2, the other water and power wasting, climate changing slop): generatorhttps://ciberlandia.pt/@jt_rebelo/115304517793399241
(DIR) Post #AynYbdmzsYZFJGMZgO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T12:17:23Z
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Disruptive technologies ... disrupt by changing the way people do things. And there are a lot of people who desperately want AI to be very disruptive. But, I've never seen so much top-down pushing to try to make this happen.Forcing people to use it at work. Adding it to applications.If people wanted an AI word possessor they would stop using google docs to have it, and THEN those apps would be forced to add it.We skipped that step.You know... the one where it's organically popular.
(DIR) Post #AynYm5YXUu26K4aB72 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T12:19:09Z
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@jpaskaruk I don't think "vibes" will be all that popular. It has a novelty to it if you've never seen this kind of video before but after about 5min it all looks the same. It's boring.
(DIR) Post #AynZ3WCbgFnft5dQVU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T12:22:25Z
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Part of the push is alarmism. So, even "anti-AI" ... "concerns" can overplay the usefulness of this set of technologies. And, I hate saying it but these are not totally useless bits of tech. It's just not the revolution we are being told it is. It's not good enough at doing what it claims for this to be true. If "vibes" is still around in two years I will be SHOCKED.
(DIR) Post #AynZLZ6xbVAq7cbDYu by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T12:25:41Z
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This is making me feel crazy kind of like the the Saint Wenceslas. Which I keep finding people saying is "so beautiful" and I'm just like: no. no that is not true. But, hey, at least the crown of Saint Wenceslas is old. It's a real object from the distant past and that is a little glamorous and interesting. I keep saying "but it doesn't really work" and that keeps on ... not being an issue when for technology "working" is kind of the whole point.
(DIR) Post #AynZhy8lE8vw7R7li4 by mguhlin@zirk.us
2025-10-02T12:29:41Z
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@futurebird it is so irritating. I have my collection of non-AI tools, and let me tell you, it’s great to not have to close pop-ups with “Would you like our AI to help you?” But I spend a little more time with a pen and notebook these days.
(DIR) Post #AynacdbcFMNUwEduue by Research_FTW@sciences.social
2025-10-02T12:39:56Z
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@futurebird nobody is talking about how tech bros have ruined language. You can't even use the word vibes anymore without coming off like an asshole.
(DIR) Post #AynbWpkGIdQSnxU15c by Nicovel0@mastodon.social
2025-10-02T12:50:05Z
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@futurebird when the first iPhones and Androids came out there were queues around the building. Before that once people started getting online they kept asking for more and more bandwidth. No one except some VC and a few C suites are actually excited about generative AI. But when the bubble pops a lot of people will lose a lot of money, through no fault of their own.
(DIR) Post #AynbuyKq0va2Oc6LnU by silvermoon82@wandering.shop
2025-10-02T12:54:27Z
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@futurebird Right?It seems like we used to expect and require things to work.sometimes, but over the last few decades we've... I dunno, given up? Computers, in particular. I don't remember Win 3.1 being terrible, but by the height of Win 95 it was broadly mocked as a broken pile of junk and the Blue Screen Of Death was a meme. XP was a laughingstock before it even reached store shelves.
(DIR) Post #AynchO0PsGyrubdQkS by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T13:03:14Z
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And it's a little sad. Because it's not like there aren't a few dozen exciting use cases for LLMs and image generation engines. For example speech to text. Using an LLM to clean up dictation, which tends to be horrible, is pretty effective. What LLMs do well is find the most obvious answer, produce what is typical. Good for when you want to guess what someone said.But something so practical and modest isn't the imagined role for this tech. No. You must agree it will change everything.
(DIR) Post #AynfDtnrO4srhmOQQi by gbargoud@masto.nyc
2025-10-02T13:31:29Z
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@futurebird I've heard LLMs described as "a multi-billion dollar industry masquerading as a trillion dollar one"The numbers in Ed Zitron's hater's guide to ai match that description:https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-haters-gui/
(DIR) Post #AynfddlZdPN1Urb8Rk by johnzajac@dice.camp
2025-10-02T13:36:08Z
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@futurebird Even if an LLM/image algo could deliver that, would it be worth the cost? The answer is an unequivocal no, to me. Because we're not talking about it doing something that human beings *can't* do; we're talking about it doing something that is *the entire point of humanity*. The source of meaning in life.And it can't even do that, as you point out.Add to that the moral and ethical catastrophe of its operation and there's simply no justification for its existence.
(DIR) Post #AyngVDudySV2wzOHnE by xinniw@post.lurk.org
2025-10-02T13:45:50Z
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@futurebird I agree *and* the mundane, low risk use cases don't make business sense because someone needs to buy a $50k+ GPU + cooling infrastructure, memory, cups, staff, just to run one of these models. It is a shame because if they had been focusing on solving some actual, mundane problems (like dictation) instead of world domination, they might have developed something that we won't have to empty the great lakes just to keep cool.What am I saying though... none of this stuff makes business sense. All these companies are losing money hand over fist. I am starting to think we are in the Wiley e coyote over a cliff part of the AI bubble
(DIR) Post #AyngdQpxnyC9Ls7EfI by murdoc@autistics.life
2025-10-02T13:47:18Z
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@futurebird "But, I've never seen so much top-down pushing to try to make this happen."It's creepy. I feel like I'm in a remake of Terminator: Genisys or something; some creepy entity working behind the scenes on its secret agenda. But that's just how it feels. I know it's just powerful companies trying to make more money. They're the creepy ones.
(DIR) Post #AynhsoaFtiW9IZfRJI by Lazarou@mastodon.social
2025-10-02T14:01:16Z
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@futurebird it's a snake eating it's own tail....
(DIR) Post #AyniywoUJTjGVuoRvs by foolishowl@social.coop
2025-10-02T13:54:12Z
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@xinniw @futurebird One of the things I've gathered from Emily Bender is that we had made significant progress on automated voice transcription using (conventional) machine learning, which involved incorporating feedback for improving results. But the LLM stuff has been displacing it while producing worse results.
(DIR) Post #Aynkg5a1h6dY6rBRxI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T14:32:39Z
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Which brings me back to "meta vibes" ... normally a platform where people post original content can allow the platform owner to monetize advertising and data collection.With Vibes there is no new content, just recycled images generated by the platform itself. Will that really produce large audiences?Maybe for a moment at best, but it's very limited. The more consequential impact would seem to be getting more people to use AI to generate video keeping the servers humming. Making noise.
(DIR) Post #AynkxK5V0aOo1k7fHs by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T14:35:44Z
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It feels like the great push to make this into a moment of technical disruption has reached a new low of self reference. Because the other advantage of an "all AI" app is that none of the people who dislike AI will show up and be ... inconvenient.But how long can the jewel-toned wobbly hallucinations keep those who like them engaged? Where will the video generation engine get fresh images to keep it from growing stale?
(DIR) Post #AynlZkKPtXfsPnQDFA by thomasjwebb@mastodon.social
2025-10-02T14:42:35Z
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@futurebird I worked on an app for a company that provided people with a fun way to make content (more fun than genai imo). It had a cult following for awhile, but any attempt to have a social media around it didn't make sense because people never want to stick to just one way of making content. At best, you're one of many ways to make content for already-popular social media. At the end of the day genai tools and what we made both are the same kind of software as imgflip, replaceable.
(DIR) Post #Aynlgk1zOkoFWK8cm8 by clarablackink@writing.exchange
2025-10-02T14:43:53Z
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@futurebird I think they're also relying on that effect where creative folks, influencers and others rush to secure their spot in an online space and ay around with it to try to get eyes on themselves.But, the folks making the best stuff are mostly uninterested in this tech bro bullshit even though many can see that, divorced from these losers, AI has applications worth someday exploring.But, AI can't escape the utter losers who are promoting it with their limited imaginations.
(DIR) Post #AynlqL7CtDWP8o9h0y by oldladyplays@wargamers.social
2025-10-02T14:45:40Z
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@futurebird Yeah, this is the crux, for me. I mean, they're not even hallucinations. That sort of implies that it's "right" the rest of the time. It's not. It's just giving output to calculations designed to generate a probability estimate, of what word should come next. (I know you know this, dear woman, but in case others reading don't...)It gives an illusion of thought, but it's just an illusion. It's telling you what the most likely thought someone might have in that situation is, not what is true or false. It doesn't understand true or false. It understands how to calculate probability. So it's not hallucinating. It's just...getting things wrong. Because it has no knowledge, just guesses based on what's been said before. And when this bubble breaks...whoo boy, that's gonna lead to some deeply unpleasant things, I fear. The dot-com bubble was a little spit-bubble at the corner of your mouth. The 2008 crash was worse, but still nothing next to the size of this one. Stupidity and greed are once again going to lead to capitalism's recyclable fate: market crash.
(DIR) Post #AynmwuEHLi33jl9riy by maxleibman@beige.party
2025-10-02T14:58:05Z
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@futurebird Yea. THIS. There are very specific novels I desperately want to read but can’t write (and don’t want to have to). And the people (perhaps just the person) who can write them, won’t write them. Would I read those stories if AI could write them? There are lots of externalities and ethical issues that suggest that I shouldn’t. But I don’t even have to make that moral calculus, because AI can’t do it in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AynsBQ1WR2nQAbvmCG by pmonks@sfba.social
2025-10-02T15:56:43Z
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@futurebird I love this, from The Daily Show: https://youtube.com/shorts/Fk4t_gN8xDA
(DIR) Post #AyntMBEFsiL3QPa8pM by zombiewarrior@techhub.social
2025-10-02T16:09:52Z
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@futurebird i love to read comments about AI by people you can tell have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER what they are talking about lolthis is why AI will succeed, clueless people like you commenting needlessly on things you're totally ignorant of
(DIR) Post #AyoHiTqrilHgS9oADo by MichaelTBacon@social.coop
2025-10-02T20:42:47Z
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@futurebird Given the whole circular "investment" thing of NVidia giving some titanic amount to OpenAI to pay Oracle for them to buy NVidia GPUs, I start to wonder if the tech CEOs have all realized it's a horrible bubble, but that they can get another year of executive pay if they can keep that bubble from popping a little longer.Or maybe they hope the AGI Fairy will come in that time.In any case it all seems so cynical.
(DIR) Post #AyoMaWeztW2wcNHcBM by holdenweb@freeradical.zone
2025-10-02T21:37:24Z
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@futurebird FOMO is powerful in tech investment.
(DIR) Post #AyoQCbeg4VlgyYz212 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-10-02T22:17:56Z
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@holdenweb People are so lazy. Just research the companies and decide if they will be able to make money or not. Invest for five years minimum. Or get in a fund if you don't know what you are doing.
(DIR) Post #AyoQJjcqpsw5itWoXA by holdenweb@freeradical.zone
2025-10-02T22:19:12Z
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@futurebird the word “just” is doing some heavy lifting there.
(DIR) Post #AypEwdtR4vFMwi21Im by batsify@pouet.chapril.org
2025-10-03T06:34:54Z
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> Forcing people to use it at work@futurebird I worked for a company that would fire employees who didn't use AI. I'm a software developer, and while AI can offer some interesting benefits, my work has never been more efficient with AI.I ended up lying, claiming that a large portion of the code I wrote was generated by AI. It was that or get fired. And oddly enough, management was satisfied with this lie.
(DIR) Post #Ayu0gHnZ1z9uDeOJw8 by lispi314@udongein.xyz
2025-10-05T13:32:23.291105Z
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@wakame @maxleibman @futurebird Blessed AIs, proper Kopimism adherents.