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(DIR) Post #AyWog5LLffUDVMFl44 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T10:27:23Z
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I've been looking at polls and become very interested in a particular combination of views:People who have left-leaning or left-moderate views who also think that crime is "worse than ever" and either "both the left and right are equal sources of political violence" or "more of the violence is coming from the left."This is, at first really confusing but I think media converge of these high profile shootings plays a huge role. 1/
(DIR) Post #AyWp5MXartMi572ACm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T10:31:57Z
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Nearly every American knows that there were assassination attempts on Trump. We also all know about Charlie Kirk. And no one likes that this is what the political environment has become. Far fewer people are aware that the CDC was shot up this summer or that Melissa Hortman was killed in their home.Moreover despite the attackers in the Trump assassinations coming from the right it's still perceived as "left wing violence"
(DIR) Post #AyWpIiCHf6Ip0nQpwe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T10:34:22Z
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This has a lot to do with asymmetric news coverage, and a concentrated and very focused campaign by the right to pin all political violence on the left, even the shots that are coming from inside their own house. Now it shouldn't be hard to figure out why most of the violence is coming from the right. Unstable, egotistical murderous people are found in all political communities, but which community is more likely to put a gun in these people's hands?
(DIR) Post #AyWpsVhtZr50hQHunA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T10:40:50Z
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If guns are easier to get, more available it becomes more likely that someone will be shot. Right on Right crime is real. We should talk about it more. I've been thinking about how thankless public service can be. As a moderate Democrat Melissa Hortman's career had more impact than a dozen Kirks.There was no rush to make her into a martyr from Democrats because, well, that seems, well, crass. Shouldn't healing for her family and community come first?
(DIR) Post #AyWqAUo9etbH7in9qi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T10:44:05Z
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But maybe we need to say the names more often. We need to raise the question of the puzzle of self-inflicted violence on the right more often. What is going on with this political movement that it keeps turning on itself in such destructive ways?Write a think piece about it. Have a little panel. It's a conundrum. '
(DIR) Post #AyWqn0VyDpxiSqeM2i by CynAq@beige.party
2025-09-24T10:50:57Z
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@futurebird <I guess> part of it is that the right attracts the sort of person who’s constantly scared of everything including their own shadow and fantasies they concocted in the shower so the outrage comes easily to them. In contrast, when something bad actually happens, the left in general takes it solemnly and does what needs to be done without making a show of it.By their nature, left wing politics isn’t marketing material in the viral outrage algorithm paradigm.
(DIR) Post #AyWqqOybjJeDCTfBpo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T10:51:40Z
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I will try to be less flip for a moment. When Utah Governor republican Spencer Cox found out who Charlie Kirk's killer was he made a comments that astonished me:Cox had prayed that Kirk’s assassin “wouldn’t be one of us.”At first, I was mad at him for even saying this, but I think his moment of introspection was sincere. What might he realize if he knew this were a pattern?
(DIR) Post #AyWrYdBAHowNzScw5o by mattmcirvin@mathstodon.xyz
2025-09-24T10:59:38Z
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@futurebird As Peter the other day and Sarah Taber were saying, some of these seem to be people with a conservative background, brought up around many guns and with this very straight-and-narrow, brittle worldview in which any deviation from the path means you've fallen into ruin; but then they develop one nominally "left-wing" or "liberal" opinion that causes that whole worldview to crack. And they can only lash out violently.The right's response to this, of course, is, well, see, having even one liberal opinion makes you a crazed murderer! Better crack down even harder on dissent, make that worldview even more rigid and brittle. And get more guns just in case.
(DIR) Post #AyWrvOrTgWB8FIH9RQ by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2025-09-24T11:03:39Z
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@futurebird There's more to it than "unstable, egotistical guys" : https://thepit.social/@peter/115218108012661763(very good thread imho)
(DIR) Post #AyWs0AQmlShmwE40vo by rlstone4dems@mastodon.social
2025-09-24T11:04:36Z
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@futurebird You speak the absolute truth, myrmepropagandist. Some pretend to not understand, or are just completely oblivious to facts. And while guns don't kill on their own: They make it much easier for those who want to kill, TO KILL...
(DIR) Post #AyWs1pqYGfW5fxuXtQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T11:04:57Z
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Because these are the kind of young men the right are raising. Men with very few robust emotional tools to cope with their expectations not being met. Men (and yeah yeah some women) who are more likely to turn to violence. I'm talking more about men because I think that models of masculinity are important. Powerfully compassionate men who are secure in who they are have far less need for violence.When masculinity is brittle we all get cut.
(DIR) Post #AyWsgAGBn3TqZR8JwO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T11:12:13Z
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I guess some of these men seem themselves in our president who is very open about being a deeply petty person. Who brags about how he doesn't wish his opponents "well."He brags about this to try to paint anyone who aspires to have better values as fake. And it kind of works on too many people.
(DIR) Post #AyWstPQsgsrBOLRx5c by rlstone4dems@mastodon.social
2025-09-24T11:14:35Z
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@futurebird yeah, even I underestimated how stupid some can be...
(DIR) Post #AyWtqzmZBd75DK0QkK by MaryAustinBooks@mstdn.social
2025-09-24T11:24:54Z
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@futurebird Because I am white and grew up in a red state, his comment was horribly expected. In their hearts these people know what they are doing. They do not have the courage to go against the prevailing culture. This is because courage comes from love and empathy-- you only risk yourself if someone else matters more. Most people at least manage to care what happens to their own kids, but these people are something special. They live in constant fear.
(DIR) Post #AyWuPt5U4OSiaMUa24 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T11:31:41Z
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A friend of mine said "Is there something wrong with me? I felt nothing when I saw that video of Kirk being shot."The desire for the people who have hurt you to be hurt is a very normal *reaction.* Being fed up and disgusted is normal. But,violence lasts forever. The ugly satisfaction of vengeance is fleeting and debases our souls. Violence won't bring Nex Benedict back to life. You aren't like Trump if you feel nothing for the bastards. Don't fall for that.
(DIR) Post #AyWuvf8nSTeSb7C2hU by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T11:37:26Z
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Part of this propaganda, this mass program of trauma is challenging everyone to process these bonkers emotions. To inflict guilt.I am guilt free. Because, don't want anyone to be shot. Not in a war, not in a fishing boat, not waiting in line for food, not by the state in an execution, not on the streets or a golf course and not in a little tent trying to "debate."And maybe that is radical, but it is not all that complicated.
(DIR) Post #AyWvRlYT98btl0Vdzs by CharlotteEowyn@chaosfem.tw
2025-09-24T11:43:05Z
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@futurebird As a trans person, I..don't think i've ever heard a cis person (I presume your cis) say Nex Benedict's name, and getting to that point meant something, thank you.
(DIR) Post #AyWvaBKhBlkw1S5104 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T11:44:45Z
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@CharlotteEowyn I think about them often. They were so much like some of the best people I've known.
(DIR) Post #AyWwEoWqsVE3Ac8nAm by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T11:52:03Z
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I think the "no one should be shot" value is still very popular.It's popular enough that if in media some deaths are more important than others it can reshape how people see the political landscape. Even on the right I don't really think "just shoot them" is a common value of *ordinary* people. But we keep seeing this push to introduce it. Like Brian Kilmeade saying to just kill homeless people. And the way Trump dares anyone to question bombing fishing boats.
(DIR) Post #AyWwY1TUyBDMp6jQnY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T11:55:34Z
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All he says is "maybe the boat had drugs in it" and that's supposed to make killing everyone in it OK. It's obviously not OK. Even if they were the worst drug dealers with the most drugs ever. But if you question that violence and you're "soft on crime."Forgetting about how this whole thing is soft of basic value for human life. Treating people we don't know like rounding errors. Do you feel nothing when you see the video of the boat exploding in flames?
(DIR) Post #AyWwkRVa0GOr2Xcxwe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T11:57:49Z
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Because it's people in another country who we don't know. And we are supposed to accept that because it's the US government inflicting that violence there must be a good reason for it. And that's working on so many people.
(DIR) Post #AyWwq5qFTKtfZzzPkm by rlstone4dems@mastodon.social
2025-09-24T11:58:48Z
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@futurebird i didn't even know that there was a video. But, i didn't see it. PS: He paid a price for his hate speech. I don't condone killing. But when you keep pushing the boundaries of hate, things like this will happen... Words have consequences.
(DIR) Post #AyWxFDGf02ALqnJzaS by paulc@mstdn.social
2025-09-24T12:03:19Z
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@futurebird Even if we knew it had drugs the attack is still wrong on so many levels. It is still a violation of US and International laws. When you blow up the boat you blow up the evidence, which is why we have the Coast Guard interdict such craft. There is the lack of due process. People are murdered.Too many people don't realize that the laws concerning this stuff has built up over centuries to ensure that capricious stuff doesn't happen.
(DIR) Post #AyWys4Rrp5YNkJejgm by scrottie@anarchism.space
2025-09-24T12:21:33Z
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@futurebird All of this stuff has "sociopath" written all over it.
(DIR) Post #AyX4ioRSZ6ONDmQyRs by johnzajac@dice.camp
2025-09-24T13:27:06Z
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@futurebird "Left-leaning" and "left-moderate" are practically terms of art in the United States. What they actually mean is "centrist" - thanks, Overton window! - and it shouldn't be surprising that they think the Left and Right are equivalently violent. After all, Horseshoe Theory is basically the Bible of the modern Democratic party.The far Left isn't violent as a rule. Despite centrism's purported commitment to facts in evidence...
(DIR) Post #AyX4zcRUQrYQvcSiA4 by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-09-24T13:30:09Z
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@futurebird yet another reason why i prefer to abandon the "left" label. the fascists have always used it as their punching bag. i've been listening to the bullshit for decades, and i began to see the intention behind it many years ago.
(DIR) Post #AyX5BmJPYx6d0uTuFc by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-09-24T13:32:21Z
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@futurebird have you read 1984? "the left" is Emmanuel Goldstein, the target of five minutes' hate.
(DIR) Post #AyX5Q9bdkk6VJSrXrk by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-09-24T13:34:55Z
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@futurebird that could be a great way to derail fascist talking points. "yes, but what about right on right crime?" as they start into some nonsense.
(DIR) Post #AyX5Wxuhck654n1jAO by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-09-24T13:36:09Z
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@futurebird definitely ask "who is Tyler Robinson?" is the proper style: :goose_bat:
(DIR) Post #AyX6B7HoCCV3jDypF2 by burnitdown@beige.party
2025-09-24T13:43:27Z
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@futurebird i don't watch the video because i've seen enough multilated dead bodies and people being turned to nothing by bombs. i just want it to stop, and that means the people who carry the message of fascism must be stopped by any means necessary.
(DIR) Post #AyX7x0f6ECIP2OH7vU by mls14@social.vivaldi.net
2025-09-24T14:03:10Z
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@futurebird Gun violence is a mental disease in our country. I have been harassed and blocked by many, even on the LEFT for speaking out against guns and violence.
(DIR) Post #AyX8XwoVUyUzoiHyWO by msh@coales.co
2025-09-24T14:09:57Z
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@futurebird there is this idea of masculinity that seems almost like it has been deliberately engineered to destroy a person which goes beyond the visible, physical aspects like strength and aggression and stoicism.This idea demands men be uncompromising, unforgiving, rigid and conforming. If you don't meet all these ideals you damn well better be working towards them, otherwise you are a failure at best, a traitor at worst. The only acceptable compassion is reserved for those who are serious in their efforts to conform with them. There is no acceptance of others; if you deviate you are a deviant...a sick person.This is *seriously messed up*. How so many people *don't* complely snap is actually surprising.On more than one occasion I have heard that activity on Grindr has spiked at the place and time of some big far-right event. Like...imagine being told all your life homosexuality is sinful and a disease and living in that as a gay/bi/pan man and DESPISING yourself...
(DIR) Post #AyXAvT3zxbHePHsUS0 by twipped@twipped.social
2025-09-24T14:36:33Z
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@futurebird am I bad for wishing he had lived but been severely handicapped to the point he would no longer be useful to them? Their ability to martyr him would’ve been greatly reduced, and it would have been a delicious irony if he experienced becoming a minority and then completely forgotten.
(DIR) Post #AyXE7T1eE7aVcvBx7g by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-09-24T15:12:27Z
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@robotistry “In the past decade in the United States, 36 left-wing attacks have killed 13 people, whereas 152 right-wing attacks have killed 112.”This from someone who counted both Kirk and Trump as “left wing attacks” when that’s kind of nonsense?But then what is the headline in the oh so liberal Atlantic?This is a joke.
(DIR) Post #AyXJbK0onnwa89rJia by richpuchalsky@mastodon.social
2025-09-24T16:13:50Z
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@futurebird "Just shoot them" is a common idea of ordinary people on the right, and it's also a common idea of ordinary people on the "left" (i.e. liberaldom, what passes for the left in the US). It's just that one wants to do it domestically and the other wants foreign people to be shot. (Primarily, there is of course crossover).Both supposed sides voted for genocide, both have had the same immigration policy.
(DIR) Post #AyXUj6adglPEJZWmxc by pteryx@dice.camp
2025-09-24T18:18:31Z
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@futurebirdOn the topic of the narrative pushed that some deaths are more important than others:The very existence of the word "assassination" relates to this, yet these days that's not even good enough for people in power — they want to co-opt "terrorism" for that purpose now, to try and forcibly project how *they* feel about assassinations onto the population at large.
(DIR) Post #AyXdLxyeRZIcWunhmy by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2025-09-24T19:55:08Z
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@futurebird Wanting it isn't complicated.Achieving it is.And there's debate about whether or not it's achievable without shooting people.