Post AyN4PiXhWYSKQc1O2C by benis_redux@cawfee.club
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(DIR) Post #AyMvXQwVwbzAZZERwe by muppeth@fe.disroot.org
2025-09-19T15:55:04.778797Z
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Now how can you declare an something that isn’t an organization a terrorist organization?
(DIR) Post #AyMvvUql4Ltxdm0v7A by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2025-09-19T16:01:26.258016Z
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Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and others aren't really organizations either - at least in the sense of having a registered corporate entity. And since many people you accuse of being Al-Qaeda would probably deny it, it's the exact same process with Antifa - it's up to *them* to decide if you are a member.Anti-terrorism is witch hunting, always has been...
(DIR) Post #AyMwuLzkbdwfqGEsSG by fcr@post.lurk.org
2025-09-19T13:48:04Z
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The Dutch parliament has voted in favour of a motion to declare 'Antifa' a terrorist organisation. The motion was proposed by the exrtreme-right Forum for Democracy (FvD) party and supported, among others, by the ruling 'liberal' VVD party.#politics #Netherlands #antifascism #fascism
(DIR) Post #AyMzYTcBtVV6xzTkW0 by muppeth@fe.disroot.org
2025-09-19T16:38:00.494569Z
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@cjd Not sure. ISIS and Al-Qaeda have leadership, cells organizing and coordinating and clear structure. Antifa to my knowledge has none of that. It’s loos group of people under the umbrella of anti-fascism. Like how do you distiguish antifa from others? what makes a person antifa so clearly that you can execute a law?
(DIR) Post #AyN2RUlVWEmiMyCPSq by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2025-09-19T17:14:26.676195Z
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So AFAIK (and I'm no expert on this), if a bunch of guys are running around calling themselves "Al-Qaeda In Brussels", the state doesn't (feel the) need to establish that they have a financial or chain-of-command link to any other Al-Qaeda group in order to deem them Al-Qaeda, so I suspect the model will be largely the same.But moreover, what most "Antifa members" (people who hang out in those group chats) are likely to be surprised by how interconnected the "cells" (group chats) actually are. The left is a small world, and some of the hard leftists are likely to be in a lot of various group chats, and otherwise know each other. You can bet Palentir is going to be able to make this into a beautiful tree shaped structure to put in front of a judge. And you can easily imagine a boomer judge is going to look at this and think "mafia".
(DIR) Post #AyN4PiXhWYSKQc1O2C by benis_redux@cawfee.club
2025-09-19T17:36:36.527439Z
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@muppeth maybe your priors are incorrect?
(DIR) Post #AyN8UckyrXrNkSpOfA by xyfdi@gameliberty.club
2025-09-19T18:22:22Z
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@fcr To be fair. De kogel komt altijd van links.
(DIR) Post #AyNJE2P9LlzTrnuVP6 by muppeth@fe.disroot.org
2025-09-19T20:21:27.658958Z
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@cjd Nah. NL is still pretty sane. Here is what I heard: legally meaningless political theater, only the minister can ask the courts to proscribed an organisation and the PM already said “antifa” is not an organisation in the banable sense and mp’s shouldn’t vote for this motion. Only kind of surprising thing is that the vvd voted for it.
(DIR) Post #AyNJQYdVL8YhJ2avVw by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2025-09-19T20:24:46.814939Z
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Makes a lot of sense, French courts are also fairly reasonable in general. US courts have gotten to the point that they just find the case based on their political biases, both left judges and right.Where this might be a problem is if the US asks NL for extradition...
(DIR) Post #AyNLVmn6L8pEYwhioi by muppeth@fe.disroot.org
2025-09-19T20:30:05.710530Z
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@cjd I wonder. But currently in europe Merica is not taken seriously so probably, they will see it as a political case and even give asylum to people.
(DIR) Post #AyNTSygeSCZwDorL3Q by FourOh-LLC@pkteerium.xyz
2025-09-19T21:19:31.931767Z
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I hate tell you that there are only two types of entities: individuals and organizations. ANTIFA claiming they are not an organization is one of their many delusions.
(DIR) Post #AyNTSzbj20ET4pYv0y by muppeth@fe.disroot.org
2025-09-19T21:51:37.415146Z
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@FourOh-LLC Oh yes of course. If you go with your buddies for a beer you are an organization then right?
(DIR) Post #AyNTT0ahNJ0O7w5c3M by FourOh-LLC@pkteerium.xyz
2025-09-19T21:55:28.485476Z
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A shocker I know, but you are a group - which is not an individual, its an ad-hoc organization. How come the claim that "ANTIFA is not an organization" did not shock you the same way?ANTIFA is decentralized, yet its not an individual, its an organization.
(DIR) Post #AyNTT1YbmYvZ7k7SQy by muppeth@fe.disroot.org
2025-09-19T22:00:15.386129Z
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@FourOh-LLC Yeah another shocker. How can you claim such adhoc organization as you call is a terrorist organization if there is no single unified satute, mission, organizational structure, nothing. Sure you can get into semantics now and just pull your way but it’s not how law works (at least in eu), because that opens a way to criminalize anyone and everyone.
(DIR) Post #AyNTT2efhVN6WpxoWW by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2025-09-19T22:17:09.571797Z
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This whole "decentralized organization" thing can be made into whatever they want of it, within the limits of what judges and governments will allow.My suspicion is that *private chats* are going to be definition of "groups" or "cells". They don't have the political capital to go as far as Uncle Joe, nobody ever went that far before and probably no one will ever again.As long as there are not horrific terror attacks, things will probably stay relatively calm - meaning they're going to go after "groups" that tend toward violence, but if something major happens, they might get way more crazy...