Post AyMXfSHmRAP89eTHFY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
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(DIR) Post #AyMVPWgy5TQPHLWsym by itsfoss@mastodon.social
2025-09-19T11:01:00Z
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What's the first thing that comes to mind when you hear Linus Torvalds? 👇📝 #linux
(DIR) Post #AyMVPXgIPSTuLYDrZQ by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T11:04:23.042Z
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@itsfoss@mastodon.social Benevolent asshole who actively sabotages the free software movement.
(DIR) Post #AyMVc4YM1CoBlvTzZA by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T11:06:41.497882Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss thank you, i like him more
(DIR) Post #AyMWaMNyqVZ4SDNUMS by klme@fosstodon.org
2025-09-19T11:12:35Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss how?
(DIR) Post #AyMWaNcCH8WyGb2M9w by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T11:17:31.425Z
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@klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social Actively discourages the use of the GPLv3 (the best free software license we have today), and takes all the credit for creating "an operating system" (GNU created an operating system, he only a kernel).Also Linux is not even a free software project. It contains many proprietary blobs because Torvald's has no ethics.
(DIR) Post #AyMWf7er1zLWDyXd7Q by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T11:18:26.275388Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @klme if linux was gplv3 it would've died a long time ago
(DIR) Post #AyMWm2iDojwauePsQa by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T11:19:40.354Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org I disagree. I think if Linux adopted the GPLv3 and didn't allow proprietary blobs we would be in a much better place right now.It would've forced a lot of companies to start making free software instead.
(DIR) Post #AyMWrkZy9HgQPZHHiC by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T11:20:43.616910Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @klme that wouldn't have happened at all, imo. there could be some hw support for server stuff but not more, less than what we have now
(DIR) Post #AyMWw29wjAv65t9G52 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T11:21:31.440862Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @mischievoustomato @klme If Linux was GPLv3, everyone would still be using NetBSD instead like they've been doing before.Any line of thinking that the world would be a better place if Stallman won is delusional.
(DIR) Post #AyMWzuRHNFO9J96UPw by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T11:22:11.903Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org We might have had less proprietary hardware support, but we would still have more hardware support using free software than we have now. So it would be a net positive.
(DIR) Post #AyMXPmHqJ2uPYN1bOq by a1ba@suya.place
2025-09-19T11:26:37.702055Z
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@mischievoustomato @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq if we think of GPLv2 being less restrictive to companies (which invest into Linux development the most) and therefore making it more appealing...we have also have other free operating systems that were not helped by permissive licensing, even though it's less restrictive than GPLv2 and again must be even more appealing
(DIR) Post #AyMXRU07GPiFQ5XwUC by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T11:27:06.712Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @klme@fosstodon.org No, what you're saying is actually delusional.Why are people in our current timeline still using the Linux kernel despite it being copyleft licensed (but under the GPLv2) when they could avoid copyleft completely by using something like NetBSD instead?Because NetBSD fucking sucks and everyone knows GNU/Linux is technically superior.
(DIR) Post #AyMXfSHmRAP89eTHFY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T11:29:42.297Z
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@a1ba@suya.place @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social By that logic why didn't all the companies invest into BSD instead then because that is even more "less restrictive"?
(DIR) Post #AyMXnq029bBS1CARma by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T11:31:12.839391Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @phnt @klme you have no right to call anyone delusional
(DIR) Post #AyMXqq0qYsLsvZyisC by a1ba@suya.place
2025-09-19T11:31:36.129644Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @mischievoustomato @klme exactly.something something cooperation and everybody playing by the same rules is actually best strategyif only we didn't had so many hardware which, despite using free kernel, are completely locked down
(DIR) Post #AyMXxcmu86LlwFh25g by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T11:33:00.116996Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @mischievoustomato @klme >Why are people in our current timeline still using the Linux kernel despite it being copyleft licensed (but under the GPLv2) when they could avoid copyleft completely by using something like NetBSD instead?Because it was the better solution that still allowed companies to run it on whatever they wanted without any meaningful restrictions. And GPLv3 restricts that with Tivoization. It's as simple as that. You restrict companies from using it, companies flock to something else. The OS you are currently using was made possible by companies using it and contributing back, something which would very likely go away with GPLv3.And the line of thinking that more free hardware would be created is also delusional since most free software advocates lack knowledge to actually create any hardware. And companies have completely no incentive to create such hardware, especially if they can't run a kernel however they want using their own hardware.>Because NetBSD fucking sucks and everyone knows GNU/Linux is technically superior.It's also much more complicated and the reason why it won in embedded is because it gained a toolchain in mid 2000's that supported cross-compiling in a reasonably sensible way. NetBSD is still more easily portable, but lacks filesystems useful in embedded like squashfs, jfs and ffs.
(DIR) Post #AyMYMahR1xlmhZ2WTw by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T11:37:30.615282Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @klme @mischievoustomato Also>NetBSD fucking sucksPortability is bad in your eyes? Just like OpenBSD creating and maintaining core parts of any Linux system (sudo, openssh, tmux), NetBSD did the same.Do you need UNIX-esque tools to run on some obscure UNIX-like OS, you turn to NetBSD userspace. Do you need to build a package for your OS temporarily and packaging it is too complicated, pkgsrc has you covered.
(DIR) Post #AyMZp0EtlfvjySntJI by klme@fosstodon.org
2025-09-19T11:52:56Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss This is more of an ideological conflict; calling it sabotage is simply absurd. These are just different views on software freedom.
(DIR) Post #AyMZp19GO716nHAuAK by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T11:53:50.464Z
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@klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social The "open source" movement is not a different view on software freedom. It is against software freedom.
(DIR) Post #AyMZpBGilEvMBIk0B6 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-09-19T11:53:50.337926Z
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I don't think companies would flock to NetBSD. They'd do what you see with FreeBSD: rip out the parts they like (typically the TCP layer) and repackage it into something unrecognizable (Wii's OS, PS4, etc.) That's specifically the embedded space. Linux did well in the desktop and server space because of driver support more than anything, and it came up before the VM farm (a.k.a "cloud") era.It's been a long time since I looked up the Tivoization/GPLv3 debate. What would have that license done in modern terms? Would we not have linux-firmware? Would Android still be just as annoying to make custom ROMs for? You could make the argument then we'd see fewer binary blobs and less need for things like coreboot ... or companies would have found more interesting legal ways around those limitations.As far as Linux foot-gunning themselves more these days, there's the whole zfs/write_cache_pages thing with the kernel 6.18:https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.18-write-cache-pagesalthough it looks like one dev already found a work-around:https://social.lol/@robn/115189135969338619
(DIR) Post #AyMaQM2veYTyK112C8 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T12:00:34.834Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love I'm posting it again.
(DIR) Post #AyMaxaLbVDR8ETb2Iq by klme@fosstodon.org
2025-09-19T12:03:36Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss Lol, what? They didn’t happen to burn any churches, did they?
(DIR) Post #AyMaxbKvpCUdIgI0tU by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T12:06:33.313Z
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@klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social People who support "open source" are usually not opposed to add in proprietary software into their codebases "pragmatic reasons", like kernel blobs or other binaries.That's literally the opposite of software freedom.So they are against software freedom.
(DIR) Post #AyMay6AjBBkaw0knnE by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T12:06:40.987706Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @mischievoustomato @klme Okyear-of-the-linux-desktop.ogxfedi-fsf-gnu-anniversary.jpg
(DIR) Post #AyMbBDpxzYoATLIiRc by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T12:09:04.093044Z
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@phnt @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq exactly. If Linus went through with licensing the kernel with GPLv3, I probably would've never used Linux in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AyMbE8nlAdadiuf0dM by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T12:09:35.492780Z
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@djsumdog @phnt @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq > As far as Linux foot-gunning themselves more these days, there's the whole zfs/write_cache_pages thing with the kernel 6.18:I wonder how hard it'd be for someone to make a kernel patch that turns off all the symbol exporting issues.
(DIR) Post #AyMbae1TlsRsvQoAC0 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T12:13:38.552175Z
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@mischievoustomato @djsumdog @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq Just lie to the kernel and say you are GPL and out-of-tree. That's literally it.Some random Linux dev got assmad about a company doing that to bypass the kernel stupidity while rewriting the driver to GPL and added a quirk to blacklist them. Linux should have been LGPL from the start.
(DIR) Post #AyMbfkXIyxfUZe82fg by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T12:14:34.941859Z
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@phnt @djsumdog @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq did the company work around the quirk? Hilarious though. I'd like to see that happen more often.
(DIR) Post #AyMbxUKvwzNBXonh6e by klme@fosstodon.org
2025-09-19T12:09:59Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss A compromise does not mean that someone is against it. It's just illogical.
(DIR) Post #AyMbxVPZxCgOsVyuzA by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T12:17:44.684Z
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@klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social You can not compromise on values that are meant to be absolute.If you're against genocide you wouldn't see only half of the people being killed as a fair compromise now would you?
(DIR) Post #AyMc5UOdc13C2wLek4 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T12:19:13.625995Z
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@djsumdog @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato The problem is that FreeBSD isn't as easy to port to new hardware. NetBSD has a complete build infrastructure for kernel and userspace which makes it trivial to cross-compile and port. And it's also easier to strip down to the bare minimum. Building a NetBSD distribution for a different architecture is as easy as specifying few flags to build.sh and the build system deals with everything else, and out comes an install ISO/img.Wii/Playstation are really full computers in a small package with less power. The embedded hardware I'm talking about is stuff like routers, CNC/... controllers,...Also the reason why Linux gained traction really quickly in the server space was because of the various AT&T lawsuits that made BSD variations hard to navigate legally. That worked until SCO decided to be greedy.
(DIR) Post #AyMcJswr7qQsFNDZuy by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T12:21:51.527762Z
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@mischievoustomato @djsumdog @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq It's funnier than I remembered. The drivers were actually v3+ licensed.https://www.phoronix.com/news/TUXEDO-Drivers-Taint-Patches
(DIR) Post #AyMcnqyB2xTqnW7rvs by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T12:27:15.087545Z
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@phnt @djsumdog @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq if BSD wasn't attacked and the BSD licenses thrived we wouldn't have had this autism,
(DIR) Post #AyMdcNtusoe7PZEClE by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T12:36:22.580Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @phnt@fluffytail.org @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social If Linus choose the GPLv3 this also wouldn't happen.
(DIR) Post #AyMdv0c7ghh4gqmnse by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T12:39:45.205990Z
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@SuperDicq @djsumdog @itsfoss @phnt @klme yeah cuz tuxedo wouldn't even exist (no one would make drivers for anything on linux but servers)
(DIR) Post #AyMe33nNk6CGsGtLCy by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T12:41:13.346004Z
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@Pi_rat @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq @a1ba @mischievoustomato Same mentality applies :)linux-cucks.webplinux-perpetual-energy.webp
(DIR) Post #AyMe66D5DoShEQMWMy by untsuki@udongein.xyz
2025-09-19T12:41:39.606736Z
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@a1ba @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato I don't think that the fact that copyleft helped Linux compared to BSDs that companies could avoid contributing to at all, proves that it being more copyleft would make everything better?As far as I can guess, with no ability to do binary blobs companies would either:- Just avoid supporting Linux on desktop. And no, open source hardware won't suddenly rise to replace evil proprietary. I am sure it will stay unaffordable hobbyist thing.- Circumvemt copyleft with userspace drivers, see Android.With that it would be either de facto the same, or put more pressure onto community to develop oss drivers. Not like, "linux would be dead", but more like "not really much would change", except for Torvalds just doing stuff more in line with GNU ideology and companies trying to screw that over harder.
(DIR) Post #AyMeWW85Tbjj9Gcezg by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T12:46:32.074172Z
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@mischievoustomato @klme @Pi_rat @itsfoss @SuperDicq @a1ba Someone probably put Apple Inc. as their name into the donation to make a funny.
(DIR) Post #AyMeZbyUCW8i95bhgW by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T12:47:03.078Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com @klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social @a1ba@suya.place @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love GNU/Linux users when another man has sex with their girlfriend (she's free)Is this a bad time to mention that I am a non-monogamist?
(DIR) Post #AyMevgLUd7Nu4atOTI by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T12:51:04.315Z
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@RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org The GPLv3 is better for most software. Only specific scenarios actually require the AGPLv3.
(DIR) Post #AyMfEFknioX56OaMDY by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T12:54:24.091Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @itsfoss@mastodon.social @a1ba@suya.place @phnt@fluffytail.org @Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com @klme@fosstodon.org As long as all the women involved give consent that is perfectly valid just like any other form of non-monogamy.
(DIR) Post #AyMfIRBh9YwFio9zaz by quasi@peister.org
2025-09-19T12:54:45.369205Z
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@taylan Many companies have donation match. If an employee donates $5 to an eligible organisation the company makes a donation of $5 too@klme @Pi_rat @itsfoss @SuperDicq @a1ba @mischievoustomato
(DIR) Post #AyMfb4gT2spnQiRNPk by a1ba@suya.place
2025-09-19T12:58:11.700430Z
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@untsuki @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato the problem isn't with blobs, there are usually no blobs in kernel, but with tivoization.and tivoization by itself shouldn't be a big deal, you're right, companies would find other way if Linux was under GPLv3, but at least it would've made modification easierblobs can be wrapped or reverse engineered, but there is no difference between proprietary software and free software if you can't modify it.
(DIR) Post #AyMfc5STeU4q7ZNar2 by waifu@mai.waifuism.life
2025-09-19T12:58:25.084Z
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@SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @phnt@fluffytail.org @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @klme@fosstodon.org @itsfoss@mastodon.social It's kinda of difficult to know what had happened but i see two sides like:- On one point you have that yes more permissive licenses mean the companies can do whatever they want so they will use it more- More copyleft licenses maintain everyone's freedom and make it so everyone can get benefits but companies use it lessIf the bsd license was good, freebsd or netbsd or whatever would have thrived regardless, but it didn't, as the model doesn't ask anything in return, you basically work for others for free, this doesn't happen in the more copyleft licenses.
(DIR) Post #AyMfzZKKlch1PwleIy by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T13:02:57.350Z
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@RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org For a lot of types software the AGPLv3 is really unpractical, unnecessary and heavily reduces license compatibility.
(DIR) Post #AyMg8rnfSCPFJivCzo by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T13:04:37.797Z
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@RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @itsfoss@mastodon.social @klme@fosstodon.org So only use the AGPLv3 if the software is likely to be used over a network. That's also the official recommendation of the GNU project.
(DIR) Post #AyMgG48Jzvvtaw106q by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T13:05:57.382082Z
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@waifu @SuperDicq @itsfoss @djsumdog @mischievoustomato @klme You can still do that same shenanigans you normally do with BSD with Linux. If your Linux patches are only internal and aren't shipped anywhere outside of the company, you don't have to disclose any of them. And if you ship something with those patches, you can play the come to my office for the source code game. The GPL doesn't actually solve anything when it comes to companies not contributing back.Intel and Netflix both contribute regularly to FreeBSD and if you want a stable storage system or a firewall that won't die randomly, you use FreeBSD. Because ZFS on Linux is a russian roulette and conntrack is garbage.
(DIR) Post #AyMgTgY2U3ziV6XSN6 by vincep@piaille.fr
2025-09-19T13:07:42Z
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@phnt @klme @Pi_rat @itsfoss @SuperDicq @a1ba @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love saddam hussein is missing from that diagram
(DIR) Post #AyMgv3cenl13sqkbfk by jeffcliff@shitposter.world
2025-09-19T13:13:23.690233Z
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@taylan @klme @Pi_rat @itsfoss @SuperDicq @a1ba @mischievoustomato makes sense apple would support BSD projects sometimes (given they rip them off)
(DIR) Post #AyN8PNcDjKk9LBEJO4 by vokainen099@cawfee.club
2025-09-19T18:21:23.076156Z
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@waifu @phnt @SuperDicq @itsfoss @djsumdog @mischievoustomato @klme@fosstodon.sameI'd argue not much would have changed. We'd have a far weaker RHEL, thus maybe we would have a minimal systemd-like thing that is far more modular and no Gnome madness, since RHEL would have been way too financially weak to push its policies onto the wider community, it would need to keep itself on the good side of the userbase, being less able to pay for development, and being less pressured by company contractsWe probably would have some generalized kernel-only GPLv3-compliant drivers that would work with most things in a basic state, but you'd probably need to inject kernel modules or use some userspace driver things to install firmware and unlock all features. Basically Nvidia before it released the open source driver, but on a larger scale and in a more supported way, except on some pure distrosAndroid would still happen mostly the sameWe'd have less corporate Linux and more desktop Linux
(DIR) Post #AyN9VNVx7Qnqicipwe by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T18:33:40.476063Z
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@vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq > no gnomegrim, good that we didn't get the gplv3 kernel
(DIR) Post #AyNA2Gy8TXsvyUadSS by vokainen099@cawfee.club
2025-09-19T18:39:37.483788Z
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@mischievoustomato @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq I meant no modern Gnome, the one that made the GTK3 apocalypseGnome already existed for years when Stallman brought up the gplv3
(DIR) Post #AyNAIBUqabundTTgKu by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T18:42:29.618229Z
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@vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq i mean that's the gnome that i like, currently gnome is great, gtk4+libadwaita is so, so nice
(DIR) Post #AyNAWNj7ukDZcavVlg by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T18:45:05.315812Z
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@mischievoustomato @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq Yes Tomato, we know you need mental help regarding your software choices :meowSmile:
(DIR) Post #AyNAedOxWIJ6YJQdPs by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T18:46:34.586342Z
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@vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato It would be interesting who would maintain GNU since a lot of the core like glibc and GCC is maintained by red hat employees. Apple was already out of GCC when V3 released I think.
(DIR) Post #AyNAg0kWCP3fFnAYK0 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T18:46:47.758886Z
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@phnt @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq bleh, i see more and more people say they love gnome, even people on here
(DIR) Post #AyNAlPLy9JTL0fGB4C by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T18:47:45.465Z
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@phnt@fluffytail.org @vokainen099@cawfee.club @djsumdog@djsumdog.com @waifu@mai.waifuism.life @itsfoss@mastodon.social @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love Also a lot of Oracle. I've spoken to some people there and they basically get paid full time to work just on GNU stuff. Sounds like a pretty cool job not gonna lie.
(DIR) Post #AyNArB9br4Iqi0EMVM by vokainen099@cawfee.club
2025-09-19T18:48:49.099215Z
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@mischievoustomato @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq If they start breaking GTK4 on every minor update you'll have way less people liking it, and you will understand the GTK3 experience
(DIR) Post #AyNAtyhGcv1GwUJBU8 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T18:49:19.312022Z
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@SuperDicq @djsumdog @itsfoss @waifu @vokainen099 @mischievoustomato It is, also a lot of people from SUSE work on the kernel besides btrfs.
(DIR) Post #AyNBB3uKVThw1fZ4N6 by vokainen099@cawfee.club
2025-09-19T18:52:24.422500Z
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@phnt @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato Probably it would be more of a community effort with RHEL doing some of the planning and investing some development time a bit, but also requiring third parties it signs contracts with to invest into it a littleIt would be closer to a BSD development time, slower but more mature when it releases
(DIR) Post #AyNBIUbpd3pSrnSJ2e by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T18:53:45.151904Z
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@vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq I don't theme and thinn the restrictions around theming are good
(DIR) Post #AyNBkNU9i01wsgA5ce by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T18:58:48.958827Z
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@mischievoustomato @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq I should make a Tomato's book of sins in software opinions.
(DIR) Post #AyNC5Qxhyg4tkF1cMi by pantherastare@lab.nyanide.com
2025-09-19T19:02:38.088171Z
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@mischievoustomato @vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq 50% of all gnome hate comes from people groomed into buying a cum stained thinkpad and/or not using the cpu they paid forthe rest is people who only really need gui to run video games or had the misfortune of reading one or more sentences written by ebussy
(DIR) Post #AyNCGFYkiDoPZ9Vf7o by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T19:04:34.769359Z
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@pantherastare @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato The problem with Gnome is that everybody must act like a clone of ebussy if they want to contribute. It's some kind of a dark ritual I've heard.
(DIR) Post #AyNCKwsJblMr45ttWC by pantherastare@lab.nyanide.com
2025-09-19T19:05:26.330871Z
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@phnt @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato contributing and even trying to look at their shit is hellish I agree
(DIR) Post #AyNDfH70B3p5Zg1h1U by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-09-19T19:20:04.912105Z
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They broke fucking drag and dropping on X11 (Gajim). That's not theme related.
(DIR) Post #AyNDl4elOp8mgLaDzM by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-09-19T19:21:17.348278Z
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so ... the CIA indirectly backs GNU? 🤣
(DIR) Post #AyNDo2PuBOaKbY2xNI by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T19:21:51.655217Z
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq i use wayland and dont use xmpp... I haven't had drag and drop issues until i let go of firefox lol
(DIR) Post #AyNDpHO80NupKKo7nM by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T19:22:05.625Z
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@djsumdog@djsumdog.com I mean yes, because the chances are very high that CIA itself also uses GNU software.
(DIR) Post #AyNDuddsgzmjnKjORU by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T19:23:03.562525Z
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@pantherastare @vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq honestly ebussy is a god. I don't want people to give their opinions and tarnish the view that gnome has.. I'm incredibly more productive on gnome than i was when i used windows or something similar to that paradigm. Plus it also uses very little resources, especially power.
(DIR) Post #AyNDvO8HqHRHyxJKDo by mitchconner@clubcyberia.co
2025-09-19T19:23:10.985486Z
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato GNU is literally a three letter organization
(DIR) Post #AyNDxLGzRfITgzJU5Q by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T19:23:32.718945Z
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@phnt @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq do it. I'm proud of them!
(DIR) Post #AyNE5ZAZf7CL6mEYtM by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T19:25:02.055786Z
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@phnt @vokainen099 @djsumdog @pantherastare @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq for me, having to argue why what you think should be added is great. Enforces people to think. I don't want gnome to end like kde where's its a ghetto
(DIR) Post #AyNE7SyFgDSGSjNO4G by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T19:25:22.570512Z
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato Breaking X11 isn't a bug, that's a feature.
(DIR) Post #AyNE9vlRb77ULJYoqW by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-09-19T19:25:46.843836Z
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Have you ever tried a tiling window manager like i3 or Hyprland?
(DIR) Post #AyNEEFnr2GHxeOkWoK by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2025-09-19T19:26:33.742565Z
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https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/killing-X11
(DIR) Post #AyNEFI6rwdWh5u8cKm by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T19:26:47.333434Z
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @phnt @pantherastare @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq yeah, huge turn off. hyprland i didnt try but i did try i3/enlightenment and... not for me
(DIR) Post #AyNEFfvhNoqqyD62Fs by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-09-19T19:26:51.834447Z
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@phnt @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq hell yeah
(DIR) Post #AyNEUhLmNpthihSVf6 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T19:29:36.105126Z
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato https://mastodon.social/@alatiera/114661446785833161
(DIR) Post #AyNEX9YSUUM5m2YmWm by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-19T19:30:00.443Z
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@djsumdog@djsumdog.com Personally I'm not a fan of tiling window managers either.I prefer to use KDE, or XFCE on my machines that are too slow for KDE.I do not like GNOME simply because it feels like the developers are trying to force a very specific vision of what they think the desktop should look like while not listening to the needs of their users.It's not a software freedom issue. I do not think it is unethical to use GNOME. I just don't like this model of development. It kinda reminds me of the same issues I have with Mastodon to be honest.
(DIR) Post #AyNEYOxGicx9pHlBOC by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T19:30:16.438943Z
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @pantherastare @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato Awesome and dwm is where it's at. Manual tilers slow down even me.
(DIR) Post #AyNEbxzitnENMtblOi by Tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2025-09-19T19:30:52.674692Z
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @phnt @pantherastare @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato I stuck with i3 and DWM for many years. I've enjoyed using them but not enough to have to deal with the maintenance and setup burden repeatedly. I just need things to work quickly these days!For Hyprland, Omarchy looks interesting and I'm considering giving it a shot since it provides a full setup with good defaults. Otherwise looking forward to Cosmic assuming they make it like old GNOME or KDE but with first class autotiling support.
(DIR) Post #AyNEyLoN1qsJbcyIPA by pantherastare@lab.nyanide.com
2025-09-19T19:34:58.068458Z
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@Tadano @vokainen099 @djsumdog @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato >I've enjoyed using them but not enough to have to deal with the maintenance and setup burden repeatedly.coincidentally I like ratpoison (really sdorfehs) because the setup is easy and maintenance nonexistentthis is also why I like gnome
(DIR) Post #AyNFT1TChw4xUlhFTc by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-09-19T19:40:29.579827Z
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@djsumdog @vokainen099 @phnt @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato gajims been getting worse đź’€
(DIR) Post #AyNFZTf4nzFUfQKNW4 by phnt@fluffytail.org
2025-09-19T19:41:40.310996Z
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@PurpCat @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato>python>GTK>switch to libadwaitaIs anyone surprised?
(DIR) Post #AyNFejEQLLdIPAMhEW by PurpCat@clubcyberia.co
2025-09-19T19:42:36.340909Z
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@phnt @vokainen099 @djsumdog @waifu @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato the rot's on Windows now too btw, because like a lot of Linux ports it has to do it's own window thing instead of using Win32.
(DIR) Post #AyR0woagR5GJYemajA by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-09-21T15:16:39.259019Z
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@a1ba @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato >if we think of GPLv2 being less restrictive to companiesIf you actually read the GPLv2 and GPLv3, you'll realize that neither license contains any restrictions and GPLv3 being a better license, better suits companies.The GPLv2 in fact totally forbids tivotization; "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and ****installation of the executable****." (note there are some "creative interpretations" that providing incomplete compilation scripts that compile object code that does not execute (i.e. not an executable) is compiling with the GPLv2 - but really those Linux developers only ever enforce their license against freedom).Meanwhile, the GPLv3 permits tivotization for commercial-only hardware (as companies wanted that);A “User Product” is either (1) a “consumer product”, which means any tangible personal property which is normally used for personal, family, or household purposes, or (2) anything designed or sold for incorporation into a dwelling.“Installation Information” for a User Product means any methods, procedures, authorization keys, or other information required to install and execute modified versions of a covered work in that User Product from a modified version of its Corresponding Source. The information must suffice to ensure that the continued functioning of the modified object code is in no case prevented or interfered with solely because modification has been made.(Quite clearly merely a longer-winded way of stating what the GPLv2 requires, except looser, as commercial-only hardware is excepted).https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.htmlhttps://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html>even though it's less restrictive than GPLv2With weak licenses, you do not have any defenses against patent or trademark threats, thus the chances of restrictions with weak software is much higher.
(DIR) Post #AyR1QdHp1ronBbB8XA by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-09-21T15:22:02.662532Z
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@phnt @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq @mischievoustomato >You restrict companies from using it, companies flock to something else.Companies are not restricted from using GPLv3 software - they are welcome to use it.Just like the GPLv2 does, the GPLv3 simply doesn't give companies permission to attack the human race.>GPLv3 restricts that with Tivoization. Unlike the GPLv2, with the GPLv3, companies can implement whatever tivoization they want with commerical-only hardware.The GPLv3 doesn't restrict anything - it even grants more permissions than what the GPLv2 does.>The OS you are currently using was made possible by companies using it and contributing back, something which would very likely go away with GPLv3.Companies really haven't had any problems contributing to GPLv3-or-later packages at the same rate as GPLv2-only packages - although that rarely happens as most companies are too dumb to help themselves.
(DIR) Post #AyR1dd8osdWoV5AKP2 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-09-21T15:24:23.669227Z
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@mischievoustomato @djsumdog @phnt @klme @itsfoss @SuperDicq Those joke OS's and terrible weak license connection would have ended up as a joke regardless.
(DIR) Post #AyR1gmtL5LbZbpQjU8 by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-09-21T15:24:57.828130Z
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@SuperDicq @djsumdog @itsfoss @phnt @mischievoustomato @klme Only if Linux chose to upgrade to GPLv3-*or-later* or at least GPLv2-or-later, would problems not have occured.
(DIR) Post #AyR1hRQ0PJVDIj1NxI by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-09-21T15:25:05.663426Z
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@SuperDicq @djsumdog @itsfoss @phnt @mischievoustomato @klme Only if Linux chose to upgrade to GPLv3-*or-later* or at least GPLv2-or-later, would problems not have occurred.
(DIR) Post #AyR1tp0MXVK3vavkbw by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-09-21T15:27:19.199415Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @RedTechEngineer @klme Examples?The server part of the AGPLv3+ only applies if the software is being run as a network service for some users and it's compatible with the GPLv3+ - meaning if it's compatible with GPLv3+, it's compatible with AGPLv3+.
(DIR) Post #AyR20IGsdlnoQwk6Wu by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-21T15:28:24.541Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @itsfoss@mastodon.social @RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @klme@fosstodon.org HTTP servers come to mind.
(DIR) Post #AyR2VCAlMhMYUocH0C by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-09-21T15:34:04.507502Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @RedTechEngineer @klme Why shouldn't a HTTP server respect the users freedom?It appears that both nginx and Apache are under licenses that are compatible with the AGPLv3+.
(DIR) Post #AyR2ee0PFhGlQOHHDU by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-21T15:35:43.897Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @itsfoss@mastodon.social @RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @klme@fosstodon.org If you're running Nginx or Apache on your server it would be really annoying to comply with the AGPLv3. And also unnecessary because I this software is running not on my computer, and it isn't SaaSS.
(DIR) Post #AyR3Ha93XUXqkGtGqW by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-09-21T15:42:49.756965Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @RedTechEngineer @klme >If you're running Nginx or Apache on your server it would be really annoying to comply with the AGPLv3.If you don't modify the software - the AGPLv3 doesn't require you to do anything.A web server is quite good at serving files and it can serve the source code of the modified version just fine (AGPLv3+ software tends to be designed to automate providing the source code).>this software is running not on my computer, and it isn't SaaSS.The AGPLv3+ doesn't require anything if the computer is not doing a computation over a network service for users (i.e. not SaaSS).
(DIR) Post #AyR3UauQ0hLEsZFTZQ by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-21T15:45:06.907Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @itsfoss@mastodon.social @RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @klme@fosstodon.org My SaaSS argument is not about AGPLv3 requirements. It's about the requirement for freedom for the user.If you don't modify the software - the AGPLv3 doesn't require you to do anything.Yes, but that's my point. If you want to modify the code as a server admin you would have to do additional work, with no benefit to the users of server (they don't need it). It's not convenient.
(DIR) Post #AyR3weFTBgSpLRTLJg by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-09-21T15:50:14.491091Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @RedTechEngineer @klme >If you want to modify the code as a server admin you would have to do additional workIt's much easier to include a copy of source code than to make modifications of source code and if someone is going to make a change, they can copy a file too.>with no benefit to the users of server (they don't need it)The users do in fact deserve the source code - they deserve to know what change the admin has made if they want.
(DIR) Post #AyR4sYknm4dr6Dk3ZQ by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-21T16:00:39.680Z
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@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @itsfoss@mastodon.social @RedTechEngineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link @klme@fosstodon.org The users do in fact deserve the source code - they deserve to know what change the admin has made if they want.Why should users be entitled to the source code of software that is not running on their own computer? Keeping software private is perfectly valid as long as you do not distribute it.
(DIR) Post #AyR54HrgOR7IC5YJjE by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-09-21T16:02:49.534542Z
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@SuperDicq @itsfoss @RedTechEngineer @klme Since it does their computation and therefore the software is not being privately run.If the software did not do the users computation, then the software is actually private and it's fine if the user doesn't have a copy of the software (and the AGPLv3+ doesn't require providing the source code in that case either).