Post AxydeVs1Q04QgKSulU by amypotato@mastodon.ie
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(DIR) Post #AxyQIcsdNOlaeCz7y4 by gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt
2025-09-07T18:23:42Z
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Please boost for awareness.Recently one of my friends posted an introduction post to the official Ubuntu forums.https://web.archive.org/web/20250905060630/https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/lukas-here-hello-to-all/66658(original link: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/lukas-here-hello-to-all/66658 )Seems fine except for maybe a bit of bad grammar around the "I am also a furry" part right? Well turns out behind the scenes the post was edited to not say "I am queer" before mentioning being a furry, and they got in a lotta trouble with the mods. This led to them no longer feeling welcome on the Ubuntu discourse forums.The reason given was that the word Queer is a sexual word, which is just patently untrue. Saying you're queer gives less info into your sex life than mentioning your wife/husband, and if that was banned it'd be fucking stupid. Of course by the responses of the mods, it is made clear that that's not the real reason, and instead they're making the decision because of politics.In the next few posts I'll talk about these extremely problematic moderator responses.1/5
(DIR) Post #AxyQIkN1WoEbsUFzo8 by gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt
2025-09-07T18:24:42Z
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The worst of the posts is as follows:"Sorry to intervene, another volunteer moderator here. Point 7 of the general posting guidelines says:'Politics: This topic has caused serious problems in the past and as such is subject to tight control. Discussion of the politics of open source it permissible in the lounge. No other political posting is permitted in any form in any other area of the forum. (this includes the use of avatars, flags, and other potentially-divisive graphics.) Please find another venue for political discussions'So in my opinion, if your intention was to show political support for diversity, you should avoid using this flag. This will allow us to refuse the use of a flag for instance saying 'non-queer', If we allow your flag, then we have to admit also other similar political flags, both supporting and opposing diversity."This reply is just fucking dishonest. First off, if you allow people to post the lgbt flag you don't have to also allow people to post Nazi flags or whatever. Like, being queer isn't an ideology. It should be totally fine to say you're queer or straight or whatever, that doesn't mean you also have to let people be Nazis or say hateful things about each other, like wtf? You can literally just say that some flags aren't allowed and some are. (also idk what's with all this talk about flags, they weren't even the thing that got edited). It is totally reasonable to say that everyone should be allowed to express their identity, whether straight or queer, white or black, man or woman, etc; this doesn’t fucking somehow magically create a loophole for people to start hating on other identities.2/5
(DIR) Post #AxyQIrtBZd7XCGMHPU by gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt
2025-09-07T18:25:51Z
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Second, the whole idea of things being apolitical is just a vague excuse to discriminate. A few years ago Florida passed a law nicknamed "Don't say gay" which banned teachers from mentioning their sexuality or gender identity to students at all; so if banning queer people from mentioning their identity in your forums is apolitical, then why the fuck is it a more extreme political position than that taken by a far-right politician who literally posted Nazi propaganda on twitter? This fucker is just trying to hide his political extremist views behind a guise of fairness.This response sure makes it seem like the values of Canonical and Ubuntu are closer to far-right extremism than all the positivity and inclusivity they claim in their policies.3/5
(DIR) Post #AxyQIzbOtdeD7Q6Bnc by gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt
2025-09-07T18:27:12Z
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The next response isn't quite as bad because at least it's fucking honest."OK - here goes one other way to look at this as an issue.Say for the sake of argument I am Christian, As a Christian I follow a set of ethics defined in what we call the Bible, Now in this set of ethics is God's declaration that 'queer' is an abomination. As it is abhorrent then it too is something to avoid, And YES discussion of relition too is not permitted - it is in the same vein as a pronouncement of queer"Naturally you might think that saying you're queer might equate to saying you're Christian, or saying you're Jewish, which should both be fine; but apparently they equate it to saying you're Christian, and also that you think queer people (other members of the community) are abominations.If you look past the fact that they talk like Ben Shapiro and ChatGPT had a baby that didn't know how capitalization worked, there is at least a little bit of sense here though. Saying you're queer and saying you're bigoted are the same in that they will both piss people off. If they actually cared about a fair, friendly, and welcoming community, they'd notice that they are also very different in that one is a statement of identity, and the other is a statement of hate towards other members of the community. Another difference is that bigots want queers to not be able to say they're queer, and queers want to not have to hide their identity, so banning both in this silly hypothetical is still giving the bigots what they want and siding against queers. All in all, I can give the benefit of the doubt here and assume they're simply too much of a coward to fight back against bigots in and out of the mod team, so instead they are taking the path of least resistance and telling everyone to be quiet so they don't have to deal with it, while ignoring the inequity of that.4/5
(DIR) Post #AxyQJ7psHhykecvrTE by gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt
2025-09-07T18:27:24Z
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All in all Canonical and Ubuntu have taken the far right position that people shouldn’t even be allowed to mention their queerness, which gives the extremists what they want, and them not being able to be explicit about their hate (and the mods here are already very implicitly bigoted), is a small loss when they already get their way by forcing us queers into the closet in any of their spaces. On top of that, even though it’s been a couple days so far, the leadership hasn’t done anything and saying queer is seemingly still banned on their forums.This is absolutely unacceptable, and I recommend anyone who is queer, has queer friends, or just generally cares about people being allowed to live their lives, to not use Ubuntu, spread the word, and not contribute to their community; until they put solid policy in place to make it clear that everyone is welcome and allowed to be themselves in their community. Collection of evidence:https://nextcloud.aztinet.eus/s/sxqEDJDZGp7a9rxThis folder includes the screenshots quoted, along with a lot of other screenshots and information not covered by my post.Original post by the one discriminated against:https://bark.lgbt/@lukas/115164258497365823Other post:https://blahaj.zone/notes/aca8zuhiducu005g And remember, the more people boost this, the more likely Canonical is to feel pressured to change their policies and take action to help queer people feel included in their community. Queer Ubuntu users deserve to be able to openly be a part of the community and be treated with the same respect as anyone else.5/5
(DIR) Post #AxyQJEJWCPFwkIqcVc by gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt
2025-09-07T19:49:01Z
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CW: Ubuntu mod team takes anti-queer "Don't say gay" stance.meme (credit to lukas, the one at the center of this shitshow)
(DIR) Post #AxyQJEemvKGnoGnbf6 by gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt
2025-09-07T20:00:13Z
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Thanks all of you for your boosts and attention btw!! just remember that you're all really good beans, and you deserve the right to exist and be yourself openly!!!!!!edit: Damn I didn't expect this many boosts!! I really fucking love all the good queer-friendly beans on fedi!!!!!!
(DIR) Post #AxyUG6kOH5d8E6BSBU by thermia@sk.girlthi.ng
2025-09-07T20:21:33.816Z
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@gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt first snap. now this? :neobot_explode:seriously though, thanks for bringing this to light, sad to say thermia isn't that surprised, glad they're putting their true colors out there for everyone to see
(DIR) Post #AxyVlvEGjZINiytRDc by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-09-07T20:50:59.755486Z
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@gimmechocolate how is that appropriate to even post on a bio in the first place? Are you trying to connect with kinksters or contribute to an open source project?> Saying you're queer gives less info into your sex life than mentioning your wife/husbandIt definitely signals that you're not heterosexual. And the mention of being a furry now means we all have to imagine this person dressing up in an animal costume for sexual gratification.> Birthday: 24.10.1998Do GenZ think this is appropriate for some reason? Are they putting their sexual preferences on their CVs/resumés too? I don't get it.
(DIR) Post #AxyVlwhjFWSGIdgTmC by GroupNebula563@mastodon.social
2025-09-07T21:00:36Z
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@feld @gimmechocolate hate to break it to you, but what you’re attacking here is 99% of Fedi.
(DIR) Post #AxyVlxh3ZVVlMqNSMq by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-09-07T21:13:16.653595Z
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@GroupNebula563 @gimmechocolate I'm not attacking anything, and Fedi is for socializing so that would indeed be an appropriate place to share that information.It's hilarious that people keep pushing the "gays/furries invented Fedi" lie. It's like saying "email is gay" because Eric Allman wrote Sendmail
(DIR) Post #AxybHnDmXfCLvTgLCa by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-09-07T22:16:27.496916Z
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@sillyCoelophysis @gimmechocolate That's actually in reference to the "I'm a furry" comment they included in the post.
(DIR) Post #AxydeVs1Q04QgKSulU by amypotato@mastodon.ie
2025-09-07T21:29:45Z
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@feld @gimmechocolate wow field, you're a massive piece of shit if you think there's anything wrong with being openly non heterosexual. Well done being a loser.
(DIR) Post #AxydeWlK6OJ3RqL4xk by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-09-07T21:34:52.443095Z
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@amypotato @gimmechocolate Not what I said at all, but okay :thumbsup:
(DIR) Post #AxydeXNbo2vnMaFedc by amypotato@mastodon.ie
2025-09-07T21:37:57Z
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@feld @gimmechocolate yeah the thumbs up totally just hides all the insecurity, good job, 10/10.Jesus what is with guys in tech being pathetic never back down contrarian losers.
(DIR) Post #AxydeY8P04MThi91Zg by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-09-07T22:19:09.569117Z
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@amypotato @gimmechocolate Can you not admit that there are places and times where such discussion is unacceptable / off topic?
(DIR) Post #AxydeYnWXBFrlFNrfc by amypotato@mastodon.ie
2025-09-07T22:24:19Z
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@feld @gimmechocolate "such a discussion" "can you not admit"Really dancing so deftly around outright saying you consider home-sexuality to be aberrant or out of the norm, bravo.instead of the truth which is that it is an apolitical, natural part of life and has been for thousands of years that we know of and likely much longer.
(DIR) Post #AxydeZGEoQDvCIonQW by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-09-07T22:27:30.607686Z
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@amypotato @gimmechocolate > it is an apolitical, natural part of life and has been for thousands of years that we know of and likely much longer.I vehemently agree! But it is a massive overcorrection to demand that it be considered socially acceptable to discuss this topic in all social forums at all times.
(DIR) Post #AxydefGoTCFTpp8L9k by amypotato@mastodon.ie
2025-09-07T22:26:19Z
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@feld @gimmechocolate I find you genuinely *pathetically* misguided at best or an abject, sad loser at worst. You appear to be a grown man in your picture but your rhetoric is that of a child. Are you so ignorant that this concept is difficult for you? Have you seen so little of the world that homosexuality is controversial?
(DIR) Post #AxyhBNVtoFQmBMTrGq by azalea@woem.space
2025-09-07T21:31:21.530997Z
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@feld @gimmechocolate straight people talk about their spouse all the time, now we have to imagine them fucking their spouse, how has society come to this
(DIR) Post #AxyhBOkTDYgG0qJ0ca by feld@friedcheese.us
2025-09-07T22:14:28.273700Z
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@azalea @gimmechocolate FWIW talking about your kids at work should be a fireable offense
(DIR) Post #AxzoORqzsSBWFGUKbA by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-09-08T12:18:42.480Z
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@gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt the more people boost this, the more likely Canonical is to feel pressured to change their policies and take action to help queer people feel included in their community.I don't want Canonical to make queer people feel included into their proprietary corpo bootlicker "community".I want Canonical to stop existing.I recommend all queer people to contribute to real free software projects instead.