Post AxjMBb0AeEfxbgVHA8 by javier@col.social
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(DIR) Post #AxiEeXvCBZctezVgRs by codinghorror@infosec.exchange
2025-08-30T22:54:27Z
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Look, EU, it is difficult to take you seriously when you forced all this cookie notification bullshit on us. That feature a) should not exist and b) if it did, should be a BROWSER feature not "every website in the entire world now has to bother everyone forever about this stupid thing" https://blog.codinghorror.com/breaking-the-webs-cookie-jar/
(DIR) Post #AxiEeZG9D9ypoGJvkG by codinghorror@infosec.exchange
2025-08-30T23:08:09Z
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I'm in this picture and I don't like it.
(DIR) Post #AxidkFjrCRprrI1Zwm by djoerd@idf.social
2025-08-31T05:20:58Z
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@codinghorror Don’t blame the EU. Respect DNT: 1https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track
(DIR) Post #Axj2eleu6en1yQBm2y by p@raru.re
2025-08-31T10:05:14Z
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> We value your privacy.This is false.@dalias @codinghorror
(DIR) Post #Axj6UQFBGsUcTeTnBQ by bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr
2025-08-31T10:51:24Z
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@codinghorror Sorry, but this is bullshit US propaganda. There is no obligation to have a cookie banner (my blog does not have one, for instance), even if you use cookies (a lot of important usages, such as logging in and out are excluded).#factChecking
(DIR) Post #Axj760EMR6HYnq12OG by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-31T10:58:14Z
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@codinghorror wait a sec... is this the right link?A blog post from 2010 on how it's a bad idea to demand that every website uses https, but considering that a better authentication protocol won't come, demanding https is our best bet?How's that relevant to cookie popups?And how has noone in this thread noticed this before? Did they not read the blogpost?
(DIR) Post #AxjLQ3zvXQQPdWiy8W by lazyb0y@mastodon.social
2025-08-31T11:55:44Z
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@frosch Crazy that there really exists one such sites!Makes me visit them more often now, thanks!@dalias @codinghorror
(DIR) Post #AxjLZbY4APtYIYF4ts by faduda@mastodon.ie
2025-08-31T12:06:41Z
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@frosch @dalias @codinghorror Eventually an EU court will declare DNT legally binding, and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
(DIR) Post #AxjM5Hoz30OyNlGJwO by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2025-08-31T13:45:15Z
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@codinghorror Then change your business model.
(DIR) Post #AxjMBb0AeEfxbgVHA8 by javier@col.social
2025-08-30T23:10:49Z
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@codinghorror how is stack exchange at all involved??
(DIR) Post #AxjMBcA8KgEtCsAkKW by codinghorror@infosec.exchange
2025-08-30T23:17:45Z
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@javier every website on the world is involved
(DIR) Post #AxjMBcpbqTPrHVZryi by taziden@mstdn.fr
2025-08-31T12:58:13Z
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@codinghorrorNope, only those who monetize user data tracking@javier
(DIR) Post #AxjMI0MvFNlW1DCYF6 by Zenie@piaille.fr
2025-08-31T12:07:47Z
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@codinghorror I love that you don't like it.Stop tracking people. Problem solved.Tracking is not necessary. It is immoral.It is tracking that ruins the internet, not cookie notices.
(DIR) Post #AxjlSBsNobnZSSs2PQ by PaniczGodek@functional.cafe
2025-08-31T14:56:21Z
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@p oh no, that's actually brutally honest. It means: 'your privacy has a measurable value to us, and there is a market where we can sell it' @dalias @codinghorror
(DIR) Post #Axk4BJLufD1WqrLcW0 by AugierLe42e@diaspodon.fr
2025-08-31T11:30:10Z
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@codinghorror GDPR never mandated cookie banners. GDPR mandates user consent. There was a browser feature for that: the DNT HTTP header. That header was deprecated because nobody respected it. It was just easier to enforce user consent through cookie banners and dark patterns.Nothing here is EU's fault. You want a better option? Campaign for a legislation to enforce the website to respect DNT.Or… Just don't track?
(DIR) Post #Axk4BKfnkkWiwpf19c by AugierLe42e@diaspodon.fr
2025-08-31T18:05:57Z
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@codinghorror
(DIR) Post #Axk4Ot03RFqBAtb3LM by willegible@mastodon.ie
2025-08-31T05:02:01Z
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@codinghorror That the EU 'forced' cookie banners is flat-out false. It was a *choice* for sites like yours to persist in the intensive collection of data about your users to feed in to the surveillance capitalism machine. As genuinely admirable as your philanthropy is, it was built on this.
(DIR) Post #Axk4Ou0nfy20JUxA92 by willegible@mastodon.ie
2025-08-31T05:37:29Z
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@codinghorror As for why this isn't a browser feature, it was and is! It is a *choice* by your industry to disregard this, by ignoring DNT and not implementing GPC in major browsers. Did your site honour DNT? Does it honour GPC in places where it is not legally obliged to?https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Reference/Headers/DNThttps://globalprivacycontrol.org/
(DIR) Post #Axk4Ougz97m8QKgqtk by jonny@neuromatch.social
2025-08-31T06:02:17Z
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@willegible it's remarkably easy to support by simply not tracking people as well
(DIR) Post #Axk4OvYrumsR7Rtssy by sun@shitposter.world
2025-08-31T22:02:41.369813Z
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@jonny cookies are basic internet functionality if you want to even just retain a SINGLE user preference so forcing a nonstandard banner on every user on every site is beyond abusive
(DIR) Post #Axk4bcWc0Fh3qLth8C by Nudhul@shitposter.world
2025-08-31T22:05:04.693654Z
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@sun @jonny >EU>not abusing peoplelole
(DIR) Post #Axk9lIHKdKATiVBM1I by jonny@neuromatch.social
2025-08-31T22:57:33Z
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@sunGDPR/ePrivacy doesn't require consent for first-party strictly necessary cookies like that. Cookie banners are a retaliatory measure taken by the ad industry to make people complain about the regulations - looks like it worked!
(DIR) Post #Axk9lJePX0DtyMzIdE by sun@shitposter.world
2025-08-31T23:02:49.128129Z
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@jonny I won’t subject you to my lengthy argument about why effectively you have to do this because anything you store for any purpose has to be defensible in a complaint so it is safer for you to always just tell everyone you’re potentially tracking and you don’t have to deal with it. We already went through a claim last year by a guy saying completely client side anti Adblock on YouTube (literally just if Adblock then don’t show video) was violating his privacy in the EU and he got them to agree.
(DIR) Post #AxkA21lfGzbBQsLils by lebronjames75@shitposter.world
2025-08-31T23:05:52.268313Z
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@sun @jonny youtube wanted to permaban all non-paying adblock using users (unenforcable to the end, but enough to increase profits)
(DIR) Post #AxkAXqjPqD7cTFTHge by sun@shitposter.world
2025-08-31T23:11:37.057290Z
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@lebronjames75 @jonny what is the telos of a video siteWell for YouTube it is to make money by showing ads on videos so why do you even need a consent banner where the value proposition is that you watch ads to get free videos. I actually like think if it made sense you wouldn’t have the banner on anything ad supported because you are the product to advertisers. If tracking consent made sense you’d only see it on sites where it’s not obvious they are monetizing your data
(DIR) Post #AxkCprghDziuYauwO8 by lebronjames75@shitposter.world
2025-08-31T23:37:16.870717Z
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@sun @jonny the purpose of a video site is to show me videos (entertainment) from my PoV and to make money from the enterprises PoV. buy and sella monopolized youtube platform for easy-access long-videos is a threat to the infrastructure of a good internet and must be damaged severely for the sake of capitalism's constituents to function; the alternative is hyper-regulation by governing state bodies. there are no alternative options, it is one, the other, or a mix of both. it's also a right-to-repair and right-to-use-for-personal-purposes-as-desired tier argument to an extent.piracy of youtube content is beneficial to achieving a healthier state of the free market (which is currently not functioning in this niche, and almost wouldve become even less functioning in this niche)if competition cannot regulate the actions of a monopoly (, then a state MUST regulate a monopoly. if a monopoly is not regulate-able by neither the state (annoying shitty bureocracy regulations) nor the people (vote with the wallet), then ancap's wet dreams of permanent, ultra-oppressive monopoly moments happen.tldr: if it was possible for youtube to ban all adblock using users, the inevitable result would be first oppressive monopoly moments, followed by shitty regulations and new alternatives for youtube faster BUT now with shitty regulations that they too have to followpersonal-use piracy thumbs up, EU helping IP piracy for private single users thumbs up; this specific action specifically acts in favour for my world view (yay)for people thinking that youtube is a tracking site? very few people %-wise realize this, almost no casual users (and those who do know, dont care! which is fine for them, but not fine for me! it pisses me off, i hate police state, i hate surveillance state, and anything resembling it). Telling someone their phone is always transcribing their microphone 24/7 into words for displaying ads if they have anything google-installed, is completely beyond the concept of understanding for most people, let alone that google(youtube) sells so much data to advertisers and whatnot.
(DIR) Post #AxkCtVoeU8N9siNUAK by jonny@neuromatch.social
2025-08-31T23:25:38Z
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@sun@lebronjames75 It is pretty far from obvious to everyone that YouTube is an ad surveillance platform, unfortunately. A standard that relied on "whether a reasonable person would know they are being tracked or not" sounds like a way worse compliance burden.
(DIR) Post #AxkCtX3DtRcdiCCdW4 by sun@shitposter.world
2025-08-31T23:37:55.512777Z
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@jonny @lebronjames75 I am basically okay with making youtube inform users even if it should be obvious theyre being monetized but what I was trying to say is basically the EU accepted that a completely client-side thing that only made your tab not the play the video was violating your privacy. so it really seems like their standard for what requires consent is completely arbitrary. I don't like google either, I'm just trying to look at exactly what happened.
(DIR) Post #AxkD7gEYY4mmFJFZRI by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-08-31T23:40:27.286598Z
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@lebronjames75 @jonny @sun yet you use discord and telegram, curious
(DIR) Post #AxkD7wJOlqAM6xdfCy by sun@shitposter.world
2025-08-31T23:40:32.784616Z
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@lebronjames75 @jonny almost none of this argument is actually just about the supposed purpose of the law which is just informed consent not preventing monopolies etc
(DIR) Post #AxkDDXeJNY4lMJ5lTs by lebronjames75@shitposter.world
2025-08-31T23:41:33.850141Z
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@hj @jonny @sun and yet i use youtube, fucking retard
(DIR) Post #AxkDLCePKnOCY9n34q by hj@shigusegubu.club
2025-08-31T23:42:51.905704Z
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@lebronjames75 @jonny @sun peertube exists too
(DIR) Post #AxkEbiE9nis74Qwp0a by lebronjames75@shitposter.world
2025-08-31T23:57:08.106362Z
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@sun @jonny indeed
(DIR) Post #Axz70iNuT6GGXHJsFk by grishka@mastodon.social
2025-09-07T13:20:41Z
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@codinghorror tracking users is not a technical requirement for any website to work. The intention with these warnings was to deter tracking, not almost every website punishing its visitors into submission.