Post AxffUSAgpA5uDdI0Po by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #AxfbU7pQ3l2vJEvclE by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T18:19:54Z
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@quad @simon_m yeah, basically there's a rule:only bugfixes after -rc1features wait for merge windowand Kent notoriously submits features after -rc2 or even later in the release cycle
(DIR) Post #Axfc7bGIYnVltDK8sy by simon_m@infosec.exchange
2025-08-29T18:27:01Z
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@wolf480pl @quad has bcachefs been added to mainline already?afaik the most sacred rule to Linus is to never break userspace. So I doubt that the feature will be removed entirely.
(DIR) Post #AxfcBIxoXBO6IURd0S by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T18:27:43Z
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@simon_m @quad it has beenbut alsoLinus has threatened to remove bcachefs from mainline on at least 2 occasions
(DIR) Post #AxfcGYENCOk75xgwRE by simon_m@infosec.exchange
2025-08-29T18:28:38Z
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@wolf480pl @quad hell is apparently freezing over
(DIR) Post #AxfcHdTbBJjReaKXyK by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T18:28:52Z
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@simon_m @quad more like the arctic is melting
(DIR) Post #AxfcK8Qn40aGElCzc8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-08-29T18:29:12.520068Z
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@wolf480pl @simon_m @quad And "don't break userspace" is APIs, not filesystems I'm as pretty sure some have been removed.
(DIR) Post #AxfcPYJeFgW3xuS288 by simon_m@infosec.exchange
2025-08-29T18:29:28Z
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@quad @wolf480pl living on the edge
(DIR) Post #AxfcPZb3US2BwBbRtw by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T18:30:16Z
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@simon_m @quad Not just living there, but ruling over it.You could say he's a lord of it.
(DIR) Post #AxfeCebBmTHBaxdIlU by loke@functional.cafe
2025-08-29T18:34:57Z
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@simon_m @wolf480pl @quad it never dropped the experimental label so no one was supposed to be using it for production anyway.
(DIR) Post #AxfedJwGhbJzL1CycC by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T18:55:11Z
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@quad @loke @simon_m is compiling it as an out-of-tree module not an option for you?
(DIR) Post #AxffPf2xWiREheO8dE by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T19:03:54Z
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@quad @loke @simon_m I'd think there'd be a DKMS package in no time
(DIR) Post #AxffUSAgpA5uDdI0Po by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T19:04:47Z
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@quad @loke @simon_m well ok, half the distros
(DIR) Post #Axffk1Wheo5aDM0iCe by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T19:07:36Z
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@quad @loke @simon_m merge window DKMS package street-under-Kent
(DIR) Post #Axffs3rUrGcnm3ZLkm by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T19:09:02Z
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@quad @loke @simon_m ok, I'll let you know when I come up with a better one
(DIR) Post #Axfg1E9twaqIJcY4Ia by simon_m@infosec.exchange
2025-08-29T19:09:04Z
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@quad @wolf480pl @loke yea great throw him out of mainline linux so he can annoy multiple distro maintainers at the same time instead
(DIR) Post #Axfg1FguFMpz4GzwNk by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T19:10:42Z
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@simon_m @quad @loke maybe if multiple distros tell him he's wrong he'll get a clue (unlikely)
(DIR) Post #AxfgCy6tRD0816jwgK by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-08-29T19:12:49.261975Z
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@quad sadge. I have a friend tht was super stoked over this, then the whole thing with Overstreet happened, now welp...
(DIR) Post #AxfgKXXM7Vq9uzjCXg by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-08-29T19:14:06.361912Z
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@quad @loke @simon_m @wolf480pl Yeah although Kent being an ass can also mean distros not wanting to touch his stuff.
(DIR) Post #AxfgOTOxRC6SFbfwKO by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T19:14:54Z
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@quad @loke @simon_m Brodie has been reading the mailing lists and seems to have come to a similar conclusion.I've read a few threads, and it seems to Kent, making things easy for bcachefs users is a holy end that justifies all means.It kinda looks like:- I need this to help my user recover from filesystem corruption- we have a system, it says you have to wait for the next release- but your system is stupid, in this case it doesn't have any benefit
(DIR) Post #AxfgXWP1eIUgAH1Pou by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T19:16:33Z
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@quad @loke @simon_m I suspect he's so intelligent, that he's rarely in a situation where he can't keep track of all the moving parts, which means he doesn't have appreciation for rules that are useful exaclty so that you don't need to keep track of all the moving parts
(DIR) Post #AxfghxQ83IoQr3Vvrk by loke@functional.cafe
2025-08-29T19:18:24Z
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@wolf480pl @quad @simon_m when I was reading some of the threads, I saw him playing a lot about how stable his filesystem is, and on the other hand he's also talking about how he helps his users to recover from filesystem corruption. Those two things sound not happen at the same time.
(DIR) Post #AxfgjozCNkCDH7o3zk by loke@functional.cafe
2025-08-29T19:18:45Z
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@wolf480pl @quad @simon_m when I was reading some of the threads, I saw him playing a lot about how stable his filesystem is, and on the other hand he's also talking about how he helps his users to recover from filesystem corruption. Those two things should not happen at the same time.
(DIR) Post #AxfgnehMZbLQWjIBEm by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-29T19:19:27Z
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@loke @quad @simon_m Depends how many users he has, and how many of them run hardware RAID with broken controller's battery, and no UPS
(DIR) Post #Axfgtt7FsjPUyoNJBY by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-08-29T19:20:34.699731Z
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@quad if stuff is solved in the future and it remains in kernel, I'll give it a shot.
(DIR) Post #AxghdNZZgXz7d4Gz3o by loke@functional.cafe
2025-08-30T06:34:21Z
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@quad @simon_m @wolf480pl I am going to be even less apologetic here. I hope I'm not rubbing people the wrong way, at least not too much. 🙂I'd argue that if there is one software component that doesn't need a 'rock star' maintainer, it's a filesystem.They're supposed to be boring, and just work. If the rock star needs to do emergency open heart surgery on your data, then something more fundamental is wrong. And if he then goes and brags about his success, he's fundamentally misunderstood his job.Like security, this is a an area where if your work gets noticed, something went wrong.
(DIR) Post #AxghdOghXXHP5ScBo8 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-30T07:03:28Z
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@loke @quad @simon_m unfortunately, the standard has been set by btrfs
(DIR) Post #AxsQagSNeTHw0JYXDs by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-09-04T22:49:05Z
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@quad @loke @simon_m btw. do you know what the "subvolume delete bug" was?