Post AxcRGKWwSHspdMBnHs by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
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 (DIR) Post #AxcRGIjd88qQ486tmq by ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org
       2025-08-28T05:02:29Z
       
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       Oooh, reading "The Art of Cycling" by Robert Hurst, and I realize why the spandex-crowd at our city's bicycling advisory committee is so terrible at making bicycling infrastructure better for everyone else (at least, if they are as enthusiastic about John Forester's "Effective Cycling" as Hurst is). 😡  #BikeTooter
       
 (DIR) Post #AxcRGKWwSHspdMBnHs by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
       2025-08-28T05:41:12Z
       
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       @ai6yr Ideologies are usually stupid. Good practices don't require ideologies.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxdE5DR3OCcYCJlUJs by enobacon@urbanists.social
       2025-08-28T05:22:04Z
       
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       @ai6yr don't confuse the strategy for personal survival with the bigger-picture strategy for effective infrastructure.  I think Forester had some car-brained ideas in his head, but I'm glad we have a legal right to take the lane, while I also resent traffic Engineers & elected officials using that as an excuse to call sharrows good-enough for a Major City Bikeway (A city-adopted plan category equivalent to a freeway's importance in the car network, imagine the freeway shared a lane with trains.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AxdE5Eo8HsfySBZQvo by enobacon@urbanists.social
       2025-08-28T05:26:13Z
       
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       @ai6yr Hurst's book seems to be a good guide on how to survive riding as it is, while Forester also had some valid points about the poor design of "protected" sidewalk-like "bikeways" that didn't account for the speed of bikes, clear sight-stopping distance Engineered into driveway crossings and corners, lane width, like it is on carways built for even 20mph.  Biking on a left-side sidewalk is quantifiably more dangerous than fully occupying the big lane, & many traffic Engineers don't get that.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxdE5FLSHzKa7XA2s4 by enobacon@urbanists.social
       2025-08-28T05:37:38Z
       
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       @ai6yr Where we go off the rails is in blaming the driver and the "cyclist" for not operating their vehicle perfectly, rather than the Engineers for not responding to data telling them that the designs are bad, creating conflict and fostering bad behavior.  Bus/turn-only lanes and single thru lanes, roundabouts, bollards / modal filters / car diverters, & disentangled routes of the different modes just makes sense for moving people (bikes on bike streets, cars on car streets, transit priority.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AxdE5G5BXxuWPMYZ9M by ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org
       2025-08-28T14:06:32Z
       
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       @enobacon Yes, so much of this could be fixed by infrastructure. That's why I am frustrated by attempts to use police speed traps to "slow down traffic"... It doesn't work very well, if at all, if a street is naturally where people want to go 60mph, and once a year you put a motorcycle cop there to snag a few speeders.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxdE5GbRc1iO1PeKQq by ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org
       2025-08-28T14:16:13Z
       
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       @enobacon Oh yeah, this is my favorite example of THIS IS NOT BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE, but is Forester Style infrastructure. This is a bicycle lane over a freeway overpass in my town. You'll note on the right there's an (extremely busy) freeway -- leads to a major big box cluster -- on the right. There are two lanes of traffic on the left, very busy with a ton of traffic merging ACROSS the "bike lane" to get on the freeway.  The "bicycle lane" (or as I like to call it "the KILL ZONE") is in between cars merging left and cars merging right.  There have been countless car vs. car accidents in that spot due to the merge, speeds, traffic, etc. The return direction is bad, but not as bad -- it has a sharrows, but not the merging.  I, personally, would take the narrow sidewalk on the left (which is inadequate for the pedestrians, much less cyclists... but at least you won't die).
       
 (DIR) Post #AxdE5KPtQuqrqkH9yy by ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org
       2025-08-28T14:18:28Z
       
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       @enobacon Oh, Google Street  View illustrates what this location is like during the day, but imagine everyone is driving 45mph..