Post AxZX8j3JPoZBccCvdg by lemgandi@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AxZNfedxpTEfxkPjou by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-26T18:16:44Z
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I am currently working on a basic course about #Linux for people in my local Makerspace.Ofcourse, you can't really understand Linux without knowing how the state of Unix where in the 80's and 90's - so ofcourse, I am spending atleast 20 minutes talking about it.What is an aspect that I should'nt miss?Ofcourse, I'll bring up #GNU and the role if played for the success of the Free Operating System that most of us refers to "Linux" today.Anything else?
(DIR) Post #AxZOIswqZxONcZx9to by h4890@liberdon.com
2025-08-26T18:23:57Z
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@selea I'd talk about: 1. The unix philosophy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy2. Linus Torvalds famous usenet post in 1990 (or was it 1991) announcing the project. 3. Gnu/BSD/copy left, open source vs software freedom. 4. Some famous names... Torvalds, Stallman, Raymond, Bill Joy and so on. 5. Vi, vim and neovim. Those (and more) I cover when I teach.
(DIR) Post #AxZP03P3aDzQUzjTOK by jae@darkdork.dev
2025-08-26T18:31:42.335533Z
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@selea always good to see stuff like this in the scene. giving comparisons of linux vs windows/macos can be helpful. i.e. on windows you can customize these 11 things. in linux (calculate pi). humans are very visual so maybe having some setup ready to go, or doing a quick demo video of a workflow day to day may help it track.
(DIR) Post #AxZPHgOTrzyELirwjw by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-26T18:34:51Z
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@jae I was thinking about doing that in "part 2", the first part am I going to focus on history and background of Linux - the state of Unix, and so on.Then I'll let then find a distro of choice and install it :)
(DIR) Post #AxZPQzLalrVFjqxHqS by jae@darkdork.dev
2025-08-26T18:36:34.949866Z
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@selea that's a good idea, splitting it up. fatigue in 2025 is a thing. i have opinions on distros (like many) but maybe something simple like a debian with some sane default de/wm might be great. don't scare them with nixos or something like that lol
(DIR) Post #AxZRORj10SQwn3pJmS by mro@digitalcourage.social
2025-08-26T18:58:27Z
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Hi @selea,#minix & #Tanenbaum, #gnu of course and the AT&T/Bell-funded not-yet-greybeards - basement hippies back then. How it went from hippie to corpo to academia to Linus. And #SCO & Microsoft - uhuuu! Finally #IBM coming to a rescue. And nowadays? Android, Google, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, Facebook, Microsoft - no cloud without. While Nintendo Switch, Apple OSX and #FreeBSD stem from BSD.
(DIR) Post #AxZRtfsWR0NLfBAFNo by jschwart@mas.to
2025-08-26T19:04:07Z
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@selea I found it helpful myself to have a good understanding of the different philosophies that underpin Linux and GNU. Especially the technical consequences for each of them. Whereas Linux regards userspace binary compatibility as holy, in GNU land it's much more "why don't you just recompile?" as the assumption is one would typically have source code.Being aware of the different mindsets helps a lot to understand different rationales around each component. And I can appreciate both.
(DIR) Post #AxZTQd0uCs2AHxMZGq by lemgandi@mastodon.social
2025-08-26T19:20:13Z
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@selea Huh. I lived some of that history. * Ken Thompson et al develop Unix at AT&T "without institutional support" (1978)* The source code escapes.* BSD is developed from it by hippies in Berkeley* Stallman invents anarchy license* Some crazy guy in Finland writes a viable kernel while Stallman's back is turned* SCO Group tries and fails to gain control of Linux. CEO dies in obscurity* Ruthless corporate interests continue to attempt control and exploitation with limited success.
(DIR) Post #AxZWLbW2eDfS3eDrWq by Hobs@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-26T19:54:02Z
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@selea I think one important aspect that is often overlooked is that Linux success came mostly through BSD being tied up in litigations. Early on it was just an idea that people liked but it rapidly began to stand on it own two legs so to speak. Could also mention a few of the early major players like Debian, SuSE, Redhat, Gnome, KDE, gnu and how they all (together with 100s of volounteers) made linux into the system we see today.
(DIR) Post #AxZWstCvtIm6U59kIa by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-26T19:59:56Z
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@lemgandi That's cool! I was'nt even born...Your list is basically what I have written so far, with some memes to appeal to a young and bored audience.
(DIR) Post #AxZWxoRh1Uo7ABPL9M by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-26T20:00:45Z
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@jschwart I try to take both "side" into it too actually, I can absolutely do more of that
(DIR) Post #AxZX0YZ0WpfYm68a9Y by coffe@social.piewpiew.se
2025-08-26T18:55:52Z
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@gustav @selea ha ha ha DETTA!
(DIR) Post #AxZX0ZuJX6J4wT770C by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-26T20:01:19Z
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@coffe @gustav Asså, klart vi ska!
(DIR) Post #AxZX8j3JPoZBccCvdg by lemgandi@mastodon.social
2025-08-26T20:02:51Z
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@selea Very Kewl! My boss was tryin' to make SCO Unix work on his PC back in the late '80's. It was a long and ultimately futile battle. I worked on HP-UX and AIX after cutting my teeth on RT-11, RSTS/E, and VMS. Unix was definitely easier and more fun, even with the various misfeatures IBM and Hewlett-Packard put into it. My first actual Linux distro was Slackware in around 1995. I never looked back.
(DIR) Post #AxZb4HNGmOgcRDg59U by joacim@mastodon.melin.org
2025-08-26T20:46:46Z
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@selea A proper beard is everything.
(DIR) Post #AxZbWC3c8qUg3WnKL2 by grob@mstdn.social
2025-08-26T20:51:50Z
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@selea honestly: when I first got into Linux coming from Windows, a history lesson would not have been what I wanted, rather something practical, even hands on. But "basic" can mean a lot of different things and I do not know your audience or their expectations. Just a thought. Really great you take the time to do this!
(DIR) Post #AxaPC1ceDy4Vbol2oK by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-27T06:08:31Z
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@gustav @hund You have to back your statement up, not just throw it out there and leave it there.Since it has been the term used for decades, I wont really change just because a random person throws it in my face without backing it up with real arguments.
(DIR) Post #AxaSJldLqxxGCTTDai by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-27T06:43:29Z
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@hund@gts.linuxkompis.seAtt du kallar folk för rasister för att man inte har förstått någon koppling är lågt och omoget.Hade du förklarat det från start så hade jag förstått och accepterat, men istället drar du detta kortet och kallar mig för rasist. @gustav
(DIR) Post #AxaSLHSyz9VvDXLGTo by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-27T06:43:53Z
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@hund Att du kallar folk för rasister för att man inte har förstått någon koppling är lågt och omoget.Hade du förklarat det från start så hade jag förstått och accepterat, men istället drar du detta kortet och kallar mig för rasist. @gustav
(DIR) Post #AxaTcq09wCYnCenOvQ by joacim@mastodon.melin.org
2025-08-27T06:58:12Z
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@selea @gustav It's always easy to sit on a piedestal, accusing people of doing or being this or that. So to explain this to @hund: "ricing" can be a racist term in motorsports. However, in computing is it not. Please read https://excaliburzero.gitbooks.io/an-introduction-to-linux-ricing/content/ricing.html.
(DIR) Post #AxaW5s33bgTvrD7ghs by datagonerogue@corteximplant.net
2025-08-27T01:38:14.048250Z
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@selea free software foundation has teaching material on their websites. There are lots of technique and resources that might help.
(DIR) Post #AxaW5sxmCnqsh7ez7A by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-27T07:25:50Z
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@datagonerogue Thanks, I'll check it out I personally think it is important to have aa atleast background knowledge about it was back then :)
(DIR) Post #AxaWAsLtu7keFQK77I by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-27T07:26:49Z
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@grob Absolutely, that's why I plan to spend not more than 20 minutes on the history of Unix/Linux - and go straight to installing it :)
(DIR) Post #AxaWG0FrwvsQCnwmrg by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-27T07:27:41Z
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@Hobs Yeah I will :)My presentation is currently 25 slides long (including installation instructions) that touches that subject
(DIR) Post #AxaWKAQ46HKct8hZZo by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-27T07:28:23Z
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So many good answers in this thread - thank you very much for your input :)
(DIR) Post #AxaX2bHpZOiYxP2OjQ by grob@mstdn.social
2025-08-27T07:36:23Z
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@selea 🙏
(DIR) Post #Axb1t8vSk5nWyEXscS by media_dept@mastodon.social
2025-08-27T13:22:07Z
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@selea how do you find software? How do you install it? Where does it install? How does one do any required maintenance (like the disk space, defrag, registry worries Windows users have?) What about drivers and driver updates? Why won't games run? Why won't DAWs run? How do you stay secure? How to run backups? Why no antivirus? Etc...
(DIR) Post #Axb28DSk9nNzNvIeAK by media_dept@mastodon.social
2025-08-27T13:24:52Z
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@selea @grob if its regular people off the street tired of Windows desktop solutions then 20 minutes of Unix will be an eternity & a turn off.
(DIR) Post #Axb2WD9iwuJdNpqT6e by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-27T13:29:10Z
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@media_dept lol, I am not forcing anything upon anyone. They can attend if they want to.@grob
(DIR) Post #Axb5IC9kAX6E5irY24 by media_dept@mastodon.social
2025-08-27T14:00:09Z
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@selea @grob OK I guess I was saying the balance between the history for Linux lovers and the "how to use it happily instead of Windows" for the casual and curious is indeed a balance. If I were attending as a curious newbie I'd be full of questions about making it work and not so many questions about where it came from. I know you're not forcing me to show up & I agree you're doing great work there. 🤗
(DIR) Post #AxbSQJjYB4Tir4S8q8 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-27T18:19:25Z
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@media_dept The thing is, I think by giving people some background they would understand the strong feelings other people have regarding Linux (GNU+Linux you know).@grob
(DIR) Post #AxbVJZAOhQ6UYTU03c by Hobs@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-27T18:51:54Z
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@selea Awesome!
(DIR) Post #AxdopTKyCBDlBfH8Wu by ScumbagDog@social.linux.pizza
2025-08-28T21:39:55Z
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@seleaTaking inspiration from my dad (he doesn't use Linux), I think it's important to mention that Linux turns your computer into a PC - Personal Computer. It's there for you, not the other way around, and if you want it to be more than it currently is, the ball is always in your court.