Post AxHbSAc84JfbZlk2TI by ryanabx@mastodon.social
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 (DIR) Post #AxHXE3WvD6RdjbJueO by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
       2025-08-18T03:39:06Z
       
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       I'm going through this "Wayland open letter" that was recently circulating and like normal, people who hate Wayland are their own worst enemy, there are legitimate problems that exist on Wayland and consistently get ignored, but you have to understand the current state of Wayland
       
 (DIR) Post #AxHXEM5yBXAvJVr9mK by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
       2025-08-18T03:39:10Z
       
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       Every single time something like this is made, I see the same old already resolved issues being dragged out once again, for every actual issue that is raised there's always 5 things that got solved years ago, repeating these points doesn't help your cause
       
 (DIR) Post #AxHXF43KkhD7e4xfmK by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
       2025-08-18T03:39:17Z
       
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       I have issues with Wayland in its current state but to make sure I don't keep repeating old issues I use Wayland, I learn about Wayland and I make sure I have an up to date idea of what problems still remain problems
       
 (DIR) Post #AxHbSAc84JfbZlk2TI by ryanabx@mastodon.social
       2025-08-18T04:26:28Z
       
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       @BrodieOnLinux just read it.The section where they are stating what they’re asking for kinda puts a hole into their whole “forced adoption” and “x11 is technically better” story.How did distributions, WM developers, most application developers, and the entire Linux graphics community all “collude” together on one protocol standard, choosing to abandon X11 entirely?Lord knows the Linux community can’t agree that hard on something. It HAS to be that the technical merits exist.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxHc2wxvm9qTxdTdzs by matk@mastodon.social
       2025-08-18T04:33:06Z
       
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       @BrodieOnLinux Do you mean https://stoppromotingwayland.netlify.app/ ? Stuff like that annoys me greatly, because there *are* some great points that just aren't engaged with honestly or in a balanced way. So all it does is make people defensive.And it actively makes my work on Wayland extensions a lot harder...For example, ext-zones is needed for *some* enterprise apps, but claiming that *all* enterprise apps need it and that it prevents enterprise Linux is simply disingenuous.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxHeBSjTkc5Yi1u78a by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
       2025-08-18T04:57:03Z
       
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       @matk That would be the one yes
       
 (DIR) Post #AxHkWg51v3u1ucU3sm by matk@mastodon.social
       2025-08-18T06:08:05Z
       
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       @BrodieOnLinux That guess probably isn't wrong - but if it's the app you rely on and want/need to use, or if you are the developer of such an app, or if you are working on cross-platform apps, then even though it's just a minority app it can break the Wayland experience for you.Same for the window icon stuff - it can be very obnoxious in Python venv's to not have it, and some enterprise stuff may rely on it: https://issues.redhat.com/browse/RHEL-24713
       
 (DIR) Post #AxHlLrM5l3tLeNrzV2 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
       2025-08-18T06:17:22Z
       
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       @BrodieOnLinux > very long> repeats the same arguments over and over> very handwavy arguments> signed: anonymous userMaybe I'm wrong, but this seems like a result of someone's chuunibyou
       
 (DIR) Post #AxIVvc12rZ5MOO0mJc by audaciousfurry@bark.lgbt
       2025-08-18T08:02:54Z
       
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       @ryanabx @BrodieOnLinux If X11 is so much better, then why has it been in maintenance mode for the better part of several decades? I mean, if you're going to complain about something:1. Ensure the information you have is both accurate and up to date. Without one—or either—your information is as useful as a paperweight with no paper to weigh down2. Actually offer solutions that aren't "they've changed it so it sucks". Yes, Wayland has legitimate problems—such as permission request overflow—but let's not act like X11 didn't have its own share of problems either.I think that's what gets me the most actually, how they act that X11 is perfection and doesn't need to be changed, when clearly it does. X11 is what happens when you keep tacking on "fixes" to something, causing it to endlessly grow like a mutated barnacle. By the time you've realized what's happening, it's already too late—and you have to cast it away and start from scratch.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxIVvd76mVWtnTr8PA by ryanabx@mastodon.social
       2025-08-18T14:08:47Z
       
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       @audaciousfurry @BrodieOnLinux There's also the idea that Xlibre is proof that X11 lives on; however, we haven't yet had proof that it will manifest itself into something actually better than X11.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxIVvdydZULcTUtsq8 by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
       2025-08-18T14:59:06Z
       
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       @ryanabx @audaciousfurry Currently it has 2 core issues, age, it hasn't been shown to be a long lived project yet, at least give it one Ubuntu cycle and Nvidia, if you can't get Nvidia on board it's not going to replace Xorg in any major distro.