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(DIR) Post #AwuRlcXF0yRlUr0rQG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T00:19:31Z
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Wait, is @rabble saying what I think he's saying? That's there a central moderation power in BlueSky that you can't opt-out of? Even if you use an ATProto stack totally independent of BS services? Or does he just mean you can't opt-out if you're using the BS AppView, Relay, or either?https://wedistribute.org/podcast/s2e3-rabble-from-nos-social/#podcasts #WeDistribute #Decentered #moderation #BlueSky@76c71aae3a491f1d9eec47cba17e229cda4113a0bbb6e6ae1776d7643e29cafa
(DIR) Post #AwuScAjz5IUEdq22bo by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T00:29:01Z
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Thinking about how Rabble could get notifications of @mentions of his mastodon.social account, without me having to remember to @mention his Nostr account using a SPoF bridge. That got me wondering.(1/2)
(DIR) Post #AwuSduLF1irmMNHo2K by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T00:29:11Z
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Is it possible to get an RSS feed of all posts that @mention you? On Mastodon or any other fediverse app.If so, I was wondering if a Nostr or BlueSky app could follow that RSS feed, and ingest the posts to add them to your notifications there. But to do that it would have to be able to identify itself as an agent approved by the owner of that fediverse account.Could this be a use case for the AP C2S API or a vNext?#fediverse #RSS #APC2S
(DIR) Post #AwuUdAHwS2yBR8W4rw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T00:51:36Z
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"[Nostr] has the Zap Lightning payments and stuff ... we haven't built into our own app, because it's not a priority, and in some ways we're positioning ourselves as the non-Bitcoiner Nostr folks.But ... easy micro-payments between users, and from users to services, gives us a economic model that's not advertising."@rabble, 2025https://wedistribute.org/podcast/s2e3-rabble-from-nos-social/#payments #advertising #Nostr@76c71aae3a491f1d9eec47cba17e229cda4113a0bbb6e6ae1776d7643e29cafa
(DIR) Post #AwuWEw3HvirSF3EirQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T01:09:38Z
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(1/2)"It's very hard to build on top of the fediverse as it is now. It's easy to build *part* of the fediverse, but you can't build a layer on top of it."@rabble, 2025https://wedistribute.org/podcast/s2e3-rabble-from-nos-social/What about the FEP process? It's already documented a range of protocol extension proposals and more are in the works. If we can get reps from a critical mass of app teams, then mass adoption gets much easier.#ActivityPub #FEP@76c71aae3a491f1d9eec47cba17e229cda4113a0bbb6e6ae1776d7643e29cafa
(DIR) Post #AwuWhRLTAyKDP8Kh1M by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T01:14:48Z
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(2/2)My understanding is that work done in FEPs informs the SocialCG task forces working on various aspects of social web applications. I imagine they're also watching Nostr architecture and NIPs for ideas, as well and ATProto and wherever their protocol experimentation happens.Then the work done at SocialCG will feed into getting a charter for an updated version of ActivityPub itself. Locking in a bunch of experience from practice, and moving experimentation to new frontiers.
(DIR) Post #AwubQjje36HHHtUlH6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T02:07:47Z
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@deadsuperhero I did look at OpenVibe but couldn't find full source code. That's a bottom line for me. Which is why I haven't tried Loops yet either.
(DIR) Post #AwubprF1HLW5o59IqO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T02:12:20Z
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@deadsuperhero this is the bit they've speculated about hiving off into an ICANN style not-for-profit, yes?
(DIR) Post #AwugqIa683bkN42PLs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T03:08:25Z
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"That's the irony of what Blaine did when he created WebFinger. It was supposed to support multiple! It wasn't supposed to just be this is your fediverse address, it was supposed to be, here's how you find all the different account of information about me, and different things."@rabble, 2025https://wedistribute.org/podcast/s2e3-rabble-from-nos-social/So ... WF is meant to facilitate something like Libravatar, where all roads lead back to a canonical profile? Hmm ...#identity #PortableIdentity #WebFinger
(DIR) Post #AwuiI3PCFIVtMmjmTY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T03:24:41Z
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#FediverseHistogramOn October 2, 2013, GNU social developer MMN-o (Mikael Nordfeldth) published a blog piece announcing that they'd rolled out a change to their WebFinger implementation, adding backwards-compatible support for the RFC7033 version;"Plus of course the former RFC6415 (Web Host Metadata), which StatusNet supports (but only XRD format)."https://web.archive.org/web/20160722114258/https://blog.mmn-o.se/2013/10/02/gnu-social-now-supports-webfinger-rfc7033/For those who don't know, masrodon.social was created to federate with #GnuSocial servers.#WebFinger #StatusNet
(DIR) Post #AwukQr5jb7RbgqxVJ2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-07T03:48:38Z
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@rabble also talks about Front Porch Forum;"... a free community-building service in Vermont and parts of New York. Your neighborhood's forum is only open to the people who live there. It's all about helping neighbors connect. https://frontporchforum.com/He says it circulates posts within a small local area, moderating them before delivery, and delivering approved posts 24 hours after they're sent. This is brilliant!It's like #Neighbourly but run by a not-for-profit.#FrontPorchForum
(DIR) Post #AwukZJWnksRmCXeWFE by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-07T03:50:09Z
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@strypey Yep, it's been going for yonks! Sadly, here (as is often the case) got taken over by the for-profits. I was one of the early neighbourli peeps back when it was still cool but then Venture Capital etc wrecked it.
(DIR) Post #AwvMU2kEWZJsxVqh9s by rabble@mastodon.social
2025-08-07T10:54:49Z
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@strypey The thing with the FEP's is that the way all the power is in the server, i can't do code with the fediverse without being somebody who runs a server. Clients have no power, users have limited power. The power balance isn't right and it causes problems which make innovation hard too.
(DIR) Post #AwwTkjnN7mOnwsBVEO by silverpill@mitra.social
2025-08-07T23:50:43.405359Z
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@rabble @strypeyNo. There is a FEP that describes how to solve this problem:FEP-ae97: Client-side activity signing
(DIR) Post #Awwg480eWHgE02PPyy by rabble@mastodon.social
2025-08-07T11:16:27Z
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@anne @strypey this is the first time I’ve heard that. Do you have any links / leads where I can learn more?
(DIR) Post #Awwg49GHrdmRsojPzU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-08T02:09:09Z
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@rabble > Do you have any links / leads where I can learn more?Threading is broken in this post in my app, can you please link me to the post(s) you're replying to?@anne
(DIR) Post #AwxAMa9Nd3X378CsqG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-08T02:42:39Z
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@aimee > I was one of the early neighbourli peeps back when it was still cool but then Venture Capital etc wrecked itEnshittification is a thing. But it would have been harder to pull Neighbourly down that road if it had been a piece of Free Code software. Hosted locally by groups using it, or maybe on a city/ district scale by co-ops of local groups within that area. Ideally federated, so people can move their account when they change neighbourhoods, etc.#Neighbourly
(DIR) Post #AwxBj7N4tXbETJvKKG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-08T03:07:54Z
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What @silverpill said. See also their work on implementing NomadicIdentity (from Zot/Nomad) as FEPs. Also ...@rabble> The thing with the FEP's is that the way all the power is in the serverYour critique here applies to AP as a v1. 0 spec, but not to FEP as a process. There's nothing to stop you writing FEPs describing how an AP server can connect with the Nostr network, for example. Similar to what's been done with Zot/Nomad features by Silverpill (and others?).
(DIR) Post #Awyq4b9XYM3AFBLgbw by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-09T03:10:38Z
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@strypey Hells yeah.
(DIR) Post #AwyutiCbVEcCh0PUZs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-09T04:04:46Z
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@aimee Point being, it's not too late. If there was a seed group willing to work towards this vision, it could still be a thing.
(DIR) Post #AwzRVbdZYa7hrw8b1k by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-09T10:09:56Z
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@strypey Colour me IN :D
(DIR) Post #Ax0bszhVRtXLrPjEUy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-09T23:41:10Z
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(1/2)@aimee > Colour me INOoh, a volunteer! *rubs hands gleefully * : PThe first thing I'd suggest is a collaborative UX design process. Survey some people who've used Neighbourly, past and present, and find out what the pleasure and pain points are. Then customise the tech around the insights from that.
(DIR) Post #Ax0cJX5pv3QexElOIy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-09T23:45:57Z
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(2/2)Among existing tech that could be used for a hyperlocal social service, maybe something like Hometown?https://github.com/hometown-fork/hometownSee also the keynote @darius prepared for the online-only #APConf in 2020;https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/lets-play-and-win-our-own-game/953Or maybe Bonfire Community, or a @bonfire flavour specifically for the purpose?https://bonfirenetworks.org/app/community/ #localism #NewUrbanism #5MinuteCities #Hometown #Bonfire #Neighbourly
(DIR) Post #Ax0kAYBtGgc1Nyp5MG by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-10T01:13:57Z
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@strypey @darius @bonfire All worth thinking through! But NO time at the mo what with studies taking up every single non-work moment and more :(
(DIR) Post #Ax0lXac4Wo5LVrcR6W by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-10T01:29:21Z
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@aimee> All worth thinking through!These are the kinds of projects that could potentially be floated, and seed teams assembled, using the network established for OpenEverything.nz
(DIR) Post #Ax0mCCMXazoUAriaTw by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-10T01:36:40Z
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@strypey Oh, absolutely! This stuff comes round and round every few years (remember CodeForGood etc? :P).Key will be learning why they dropped away, of course :) I'm guessing you're familiar woth the books of Micah Sifry, Rufus Pollock, Zaid Hassan etc too :)(My thoughts on #openX have admittedly evolved over the years re whether everything should be open, but that's for another time. Back to horrific study workload!)
(DIR) Post #Ax0opWnFlfsAk25txY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-10T02:06:12Z
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@aimee > whether everything should be openThe first question I always ask is; what exactly does "open" mean in this context? My bright line test is always; how might making this more "open" redistribute power, or help broligarchs concentrate power.I ask the same question about protocols;https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/... and #MOLE Training;https://betterwithout.ai/fear-AI-power
(DIR) Post #Ax0pE6di91m2rlLnfc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-10T02:10:39Z
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@aimee > Key will be learning why they dropped away, of courseOh absolutely. I call this the Kalashnikov Principle;"Before attempting to create something new, it is vital to have a good appreciation of everything that already exists in this field."https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mikhail_KalashnikovThe main reason IMHO is a myopic focus on creating the tech as a Field of Dreams ("if you build it, they will come"), and an absence of genuinely agile approaches that co-create the tech with those who will use it.
(DIR) Post #Ax1VXEf2k17HJymI0O by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-10T10:04:38Z
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@strypey Yep! It's definitely a factor :)Another (here) tends to be lack of resources, so everyone's so tired and overwhelmed just trying to stay afloat that only a very few can engage in extra-murals regularly or over longer periods of time.(The _country_ has the resources, but it's hella, um, hoarded.)
(DIR) Post #Ax2uIRo6H3lFlH1GYS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-11T02:16:53Z
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(1/2)@aimee Agree on all counts. This very much reminds me of my experiences with wrangling volunteers for projects related to Indymedia and CC.But it's worth noting that co-creative projects involve a lot more people, who are motivated to do the non-geek grunt work if they believe the project will result in digital tools more suited to their needs. So shared vision and maintaining morale is just as important as overall volunteer time/ energy available.
(DIR) Post #Ax2uRgamfkZmDuCDqq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-11T02:18:32Z
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(2/2)Also, this doesn't necessarily need to be volunteer work. Locally-focused social networks, like any other digital system, could be organised as platform coops. With tech workers paid for their development and maintenance efforts.
(DIR) Post #Ax3Y9BjkeKitTt7oK8 by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-11T09:43:18Z
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@strypey Oh, I know - done a lot of community stuff over the years :P Geek-focused / geek-only things aren't ideal for stuff that's about community, heh (unless it's specifically the geek community, obvs) - that's often been one of the issues, heh!
(DIR) Post #Ax3YFXAbsGilgziJFY by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-11T09:44:31Z
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@strypey Perhaps, yep! And one must also consider paying the other people who contribute to running etc too, of course :) But this is a huge convo :D
(DIR) Post #Ax4s74nRfvuxcN5DEW by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-11T09:46:20Z
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@strypey [Thankfully, we needn't have it from scratch, given our backgrounds, all the otehr great knowledge out there, etc.]Right, back to giant assignments all about approaches to complex problems (no, really, heh!) :) Guess who's taking a network graph / complexity / transdisciplinary / te ao Māori approach-infused, heh!
(DIR) Post #Ax4s75bmemBS8UdPhA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-12T01:01:49Z
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@aimee> one must also consider paying the other people who contribute to running etc too100%. Everyone whose work is required to make a tech project succeed is a "tech worker" by the definition I use. Otherwise I wouldn't be counting myself as one, since my role in tech projects is not coding or sysadmin (so fat anyway).
(DIR) Post #Ax4sEsxRZjV3DXU20u by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-12T01:03:04Z
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@aimee > back to giant assignments all about approaches to complex problemsOMG please don't let me distract you from your studies. Geeking out with Strypey is definitely a free time activity, unless and until you're getting paid to do so : P> Guess who's taking a network graph / complexity / transdisciplinary / te ao Māori approach-infusedI am *so* keen to learn more about this. Link me to public-facing explorations or sources!
(DIR) Post #Ax7SVmOdD2MUSLTWCm by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-13T06:58:55Z
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@strypey "DM" sent to ya :)
(DIR) Post #Ax7SmxCOIaNIsmwHU8 by aimee@mastodon.nz
2025-08-13T07:02:04Z
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@strypey Aaaah, but there we get into boundaries - how far does "helping build it" go? One could argue amyone contributing in any way, is helping build it. I'm suggesting if we say "tech workers" need paid, but not other workers, are we not then doing what we decry? :)Deffo not going for ya - in multicultural frame of reference and analysis + network mental mode (as always), but esp now, so I'm seeing frames / overlaps / graps / definitional differences / etc. LOVE it, truly - the images are amazing in me bonce :)Gosh, I'm fun./headdesk
(DIR) Post #Ax7sl6mEJYggokU0aO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-13T11:53:02Z
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@aimee > how far does "helping build it" go?That's truly a 'how many angels on the head of a pin' question. Which is why I framed it as;> Everyone whose work is required to make a tech project succeedOr to put it another way, everyone whose work a tech project depends on. Either way, it's a bit more falsifiable.If a tech project has an office, and someone is cleaning the toilet there for every else, that's something completion of the project depends on. So that cleaner is a tech worker.
(DIR) Post #Ax7vQvlJrBkWj87x1k by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2025-08-13T12:22:56Z
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@aimee The definitional boundary I'm drawing is not about contributing to the tech, but contributing to the *project*, of which production-ready tech is an emergent property. The tech is the honey, the project is the hive, and every bee is a tech worker, regardless of their specific role in the hive.