Post AwzW2SXym59J36RVL6 by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
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(DIR) Post #AwzSWjQoADXkHmGfWy by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-09T10:21:38Z
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Do I know anyone who had 5 disks die in 10 years?
(DIR) Post #AwzSjP03RHAcgPnOxE by cobratbq@mastodon.social
2025-08-09T10:23:54Z
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@wolf480pl should someone be guessing or telling you? 😅
(DIR) Post #AwzSxe0cQrHjHrqovQ by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-09T10:26:31Z
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@cobratbq OK soThe answer is "yes" because I had 5 disks fail in 10 years and I know myself (somewhat)But that's not the point of the question.The point of the question is: did *
(DIR) Post #AwzT2lRsCQRRoC2Yuu by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-09T10:27:27Z
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@cobratbq I mean, if you had 5 HDDs/SSDs fail in 10 years, pls reply
(DIR) Post #AwzTO6MzbrdomAvqUK by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2025-08-09T10:31:16.208153Z
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If you have 5 disks die in 10 years, move your computer further away from your stereo system, or, your industrial ultrasonic cleaner (?)
(DIR) Post #AwzUamFHqIXg52w4HY by cobratbq@mastodon.social
2025-08-09T10:44:47Z
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@wolf480pl ah. Nope. Not in my case.
(DIR) Post #AwzUzfqAnFs5SH3oUy by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-09T10:49:18Z
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@cjd they were in 2 different laptops, one of them I was carrying with me a lot. First 4 were HDDs but the last one was an SSD. It was always the ones I had my home directory on.
(DIR) Post #AwzVKumqQ0kNtKdFei by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2025-08-09T10:53:05.563930Z
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Did you have smartd running? What did it give you for maximum temperature? I've only lost one or two harddrives in my life and it was because I allowed them to cook.Regarding the SSD, what is the brand? Only a few companies know how to make HDDs but everyone can make an SSD so there's a lot of junk out there... Anything made in 2020 during China lockdowns is also probably trash, they were taking their QC rejects and sending them out 😱
(DIR) Post #AwzVgTGTQSH8u6lmK0 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-09T10:57:02Z
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@cjd 870 EVO from 2021 with buggy firmware
(DIR) Post #AwzW2SXym59J36RVL6 by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2025-08-09T11:00:57.699896Z
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It's *possible* that this was a covid dud. Factories sent out SO MUCH TRASH in that era.
(DIR) Post #AwzZEZIPo82jJmd0t6 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-09T11:36:48Z
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@cjd that one is known to have a firmware but that causes increased wear (write amplification or sth).Still, I wonder it the rate at which I have disks die on me could be due to excessive writes. Maybe I use my disks wrong, like keeping unpartitioned soace and only extending my partitions when the filesystem is almost full. Or using thunderbird and not deleting old emails. Or sth.
(DIR) Post #AwzcfelxqyQNz73eam by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2025-08-09T12:15:17.420770Z
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If anybody ever tortured a harddrive, it would be me. On an SSD I think wear leveling happens at a lower level than partitioning, so that should be no concern.Re your HDDs, I'd be looking for heat issues.
(DIR) Post #AwzeZS5eIGU8ozQzgW by eal@post.ebin.club
2025-08-09T12:35:00.532765Z
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@wolf480pl do you know me? I count six
(DIR) Post #AwzeZTXgtUVhKFYu24 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-09T12:36:33Z
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@eal /home or some other workload?
(DIR) Post #AwzeyiGRIPbeDwWiv2 by eal@post.ebin.club
2025-08-09T12:38:48.643898Z
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@wolf480pl 4 bittorrent media, 2 rootfs
(DIR) Post #AwzeyjVif5QI5cgRNI by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-09T12:41:09Z
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@eal wait but bittorrent is append-only right? Lots of seeking tho... so it should kill HDDs but not SSDs?
(DIR) Post #AwzeylWr9pWMLjENQO by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-08-09T12:41:05.641099Z
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@wolf480pl Had a bunch that started failing recently but they're more than 10 years old.Otherwise not really, I do make sure to configure block sizes correctly for SSDs and only recently started using trim.
(DIR) Post #Awzf9IiobO5WBuqeDw by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-09T12:43:06Z
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@lanodan block sizes? You mean making sure the filesystem block size is a multiple of SSD's erase block size?
(DIR) Post #AwzfPtAKs8vBqxd8qG by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-08-09T12:45:59.718985Z
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@wolf480pl Nah, modern SSDs tend to be using 4K blocksize, where if it accidentally uses 512 bytes blocksize you risk write amplification.Trim sizes are a whole other beast.
(DIR) Post #AwzfdYWcPV1BtLZOfQ by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-09T12:48:34Z
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@lanodan oh, but ext4 uses 4K blocks by default anyway?
(DIR) Post #AwzfrHVeTEtVAmf8oC by ignaloidas@not.acu.lt
2025-08-09T12:51:02.253Z
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@wolf480pl@mstdn.io @eal@post.ebin.club non-sequential writes of large files may still lead to write amplification from non-optimal placement of LBA's within deletetion blocks.
(DIR) Post #AwzfteMWTXw8d2WQUK by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2025-08-09T12:51:22.056701Z
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@wolf480pl No idea, my experience with ext4 has been the same as with BSD FFS: Filesystem corrupts itself, specially on power loss.
(DIR) Post #Ax1gZ1wy4OozySDjLU by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-08-10T12:08:22.260184Z
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@wolf480pl I've had more die then that.
(DIR) Post #Ax1hRxbRvxOWQ2Ldg0 by oneBasedBrother@yggdrasil.social
2025-08-10T12:18:18.517130Z
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@wolf480pl In 27 years of using computers, I've never had a disk die on me. Knock on wood. I had my last computer for 14 years. It was an all-in-one and, of course, the display died. But I'm still using the disk that was in it.
(DIR) Post #Ax1iPJX62iVJWCc7ns by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-10T12:29:01Z
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@oneBasedBrother do you use thunderbird?
(DIR) Post #Ax1iZLWDVxNkZazCmu by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-10T12:30:49Z
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@cjd ok so I don't have any of those HDDs plugged in anymore, and I didn't have smart running when I was using them, so I can't tell you how hot they got.ButWhat would be an acceptable temperature?
(DIR) Post #Ax1jLN8mmq7BVIvXiS by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2025-08-10T12:39:28.773960Z
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I don't know what is recommended, I could look it up but so can you. My own personal experience is that 40C is when you want to start worrying, but this is not scientific at all and only an experience of ruining one or two disks a couple of decades ago.
(DIR) Post #Ax1jX2ByUzGA0YynZ2 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-10T12:41:38Z
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@cjd ok then it's very likely my disks have been cooked
(DIR) Post #Ax1jmQHHEQLp3GnVHE by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2025-08-10T12:44:22.325011Z
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Yeah, they've got mechanical things and bearings and stuff which is a lot more temperature sensitive than integrated circuits
(DIR) Post #Ax1kEVvXow26gK1kFk by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-10T12:49:29Z
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@cjd anyway, I'm not using HDDs in laptops anymore. I have a pair in my NAS, those do get up to 50°C then in use... spec says up to 60°C is fine but maybe I should add a fan.
(DIR) Post #Ax1sYLegWJgwFU6sBk by CliffSecord@nicecrew.digital
2025-08-10T12:22:48.042398Z
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We were cleaning the house yesterday and found an old OG 32MB thumb drive. Looked like it saw better days; I remember buying it at a CompUSA way long ago, and hadn't used it since 2004 or something.In any case, I plugged the thing in and it worked!
(DIR) Post #Ax1sYN6N8rQuje4Uz2 by paper9741@poa.st
2025-08-10T13:05:50.280481Z
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@CliffSecord @wolf480pl @oneBasedBrother My first home-built computer was a bundle of parts from CompUSA in 2012. I'm still using the hard drive from it.
(DIR) Post #Ax1sj0EIWKL4z3qdKS by oneBasedBrother@yggdrasil.social
2025-08-10T14:24:38.425209Z
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@wolf480pl Yes. But only as an address book. I used it as my email client for about 20 years, but after changing ISPs so many time it became a pain in the butt to keep updating my email address with friends so I switched to Proton mail.
(DIR) Post #Ax1snMICQttCZLkYtc by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-08-10T14:25:24Z
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@oneBasedBrother hmm ok so maybe it's not thunderbird that's destroying my disks, thanks!