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 (DIR) Post #AwtZjUvGx3D7mcnAmW by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T14:14:05Z
       
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       If you got to write legislation to "protect young people online" and it will be passed and enacted in good faith what, if anything, would you propose?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtZmn1i69ZcnfNC8e by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T14:14:40Z
       
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       Here are mine:1. Funding to develop and deploy CS curriculum for K-12, learn about passwords, online safety etc.2. A program to help schools set up their own social media with student-run moderation. (Student councils set the rules)3. Funding to monitor, track down and investigate people who target young people online.4. Update child labor laws to better cover "family channels"5. Investigate the issue of online "influencers" and grooming. I don't know the best way to address this one.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtZoPrFD6DLWSFlLc by richpuchalsky@mastodon.social
       2025-08-06T14:14:56Z
       
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       @futurebird Cops are the most common sexual predators and serial killers, so I'd ban cops from going online.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtZreO7dxLlSLAqMS by garbados@friend.camp
       2025-08-06T14:15:30Z
       
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       @futurebird do i have to keep the united states or does my legislation get to achieve the compassionate society it prevents
       
 (DIR) Post #Awta2SlLCu1caNBqZU by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T14:17:31Z
       
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       @garbados I just want to think about what we should *actually* be doing. The question of if it is even worth trust any government with the task is separate for now.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awtab8NF0IEvUERxVA by guitargabe@musicians.today
       2025-08-06T14:23:43Z
       
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       @futurebird one of the few things KY got right is formally banning phones in schools. Doesn’t change their online behavior *outside* of schools, but it does force them to have a period of no screen time and to have to cope with that.Alternative pitch that actually addresses online content: begin formally controlling addictive design in social media and gaming. Any other addictive thing (gambling, substances) is legally controlled, but not digital concepts. Seems like a temporary loophole.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtaewKZimKnIJ1A6y by graydon@canada.masto.host
       2025-08-06T14:24:25Z
       
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       @futurebird If I seriously wanted to protect young people, four things need to happen:- ad ban (ads are malware in multiple ways. All advertising everywhere dies the death.)- public search facility- postal banking payment processor, complete with identity management/truly anonymous single use identity tokens- replace the back end with something designed, and designed in a way which recognises this is long term infrastructure. (open formats, open protocols, etc.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtavrYgiZv9PqgkFM by garbados@friend.camp
       2025-08-06T14:27:29Z
       
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       @futurebird oh, ok. here's some daydreaming:- form and fund Digital Services Corps- public interest software is first and foremost accountable to the public- DSC builds a new internet- where landlords don't own DNS- where you own your data by design- where you can rent servers at the library- where student and youth groups can run and moderate their own infrastructure, including social mediafurthermore:- nationalize AWS while we're at it
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtaxS2sXuIgrrZEuW by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T14:27:50Z
       
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       @guitargabe "One of the few things KY got right is formally banning phones in schools."Honestly, as a teacher, I feel this is a sledgehammer solution. Basically it's more work to teach young people how to have a phone on their person and use it in a polite and socially acceptable way. My students all have phone and they keep them in their bag. We have rules and enforce them. But if my classes were larger I could see how this would be a problem. But the real problem is that class size IMO.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtbCVGGs4NxBa0bom by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T14:30:32Z
       
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       @guitargabe Also, I just think it's a safety issue. If a student needs to use a phone during the day because of an emergency it should be easy. Having worked in a school with a "no phones" policy I felt that the whole system of checking phones in and out was almost worse that keeping up with the rules we have at my current school where they may have phones, but if they get 3 strikes we talk to their parents about if they are ready to have a phone at school.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtbEEifLRfySd7IQq by guitargabe@musicians.today
       2025-08-06T14:30:49Z
       
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       @futurebird I mean, I 100% agree with this, but I don’t think KY is going to rapidly change their education funding any time soon, and class sizes here are nuts (my wife teaches, her sister teaches, I’m occasionally in classrooms for music ed stuff). Until now, teachers have had to, as individuals, enforce phone policies that were not backed by state or district policies. Now there is a clear ban, which takes that losing fight away from the overworked teachers.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtbHoyyyYdVnWSSga by DavyJones@c.im
       2025-08-06T14:24:39Z
       
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       @futurebird Provide the tools to allow users or their parents to control access for particular devices. We have had the technology to remotely control access to devices for years, every company that provides devices has some security on them to monitor and control usage.  If the government ensured that everyone had access to this technology in an easy to use form then it seems that would solve the problem.I am not sure exactly what this would look like. My preferred solution would be a fork of a free OS like grapheneOS with a government curated allow list of sites, but pushing this problem to the network operators could be an easier solution, and allow the bill payer to choose the access levels of individual devices at the point of purchase.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtbJJqLinzPng8Ndo by aloe@akko.wtf
       2025-08-06T14:25:52.530186Z
       
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       @futurebird fully socialized childcare and no legal “parental rights”
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtbJLBIkOLLwwwcwC by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T14:31:28Z
       
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       @aloe OK but that is creepy.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtbRwOWH0cFgIED2W by guitargabe@musicians.today
       2025-08-06T14:33:17Z
       
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       @futurebird I don’t buy the safety thing, though. That’s what the office phone has always been for, every individual kid doesn’t need to keep their finger on the pulse of the world
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtbdCn7eP2Fij6iIK by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T14:35:21Z
       
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       @guitargabe I dislike things that make schools feel more like prisons and to me this is one of those things. Ideally a school should be a nice place where you want to be. This is just another reason for kids to hate being there. That makes me sad. I don't think it's bad if little Timmy wants to check to see how well his video is doing at lunch. For many students their phone is their only computer.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtbgbfdbfQ9kcEDQG by arubis@xoxo.zone
       2025-08-06T14:35:55Z
       
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       @futurebird Fund the absolute shit out of libraries to hire and empower great librarians.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awtc9dGMlUjb5UFRw0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T14:41:13Z
       
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       @guitargabe That camp that flooded had a "no phones" policy that played a role in their inability to evacuate. During several schools shootings student phones were the *first* to get word to the police. Phones have also helped students to expose abusive teachers. But less dramatic: There aren't really pay-phones anymore. If a kid needs to text their parents I think they should be able to without someone hovering over their shoulder. (As long as I don't see them during my lessons.)
       
 (DIR) Post #Awtcbb14iAocECQiq8 by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T14:46:14Z
       
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       @billiglarper Are they still thinking about blocking The Wikipedia in the UK because the wiki simply cannot do age verification?I heard something about how this could happen and I'm aghast. That's one of the few good parts of the internet that remains.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtdOzg3oKzEu19gps by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T14:55:12Z
       
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       @dalias @becomethewaifu IDK I think it could be useful for things like schools news. We have dozens of email lists and they are very active along with "google chat" for school clubs and the students love them. But I don't see why we need to use google.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtdsXZgrQQwQmGTFg by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T15:00:30Z
       
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       @billiglarper That second one makes me nervous because social media companies have a poor track record with such things. But something like "do you feel like someone online is putting pressure on you?" some kind of maybe hotline where one could talk through it?IDK. Still thinking about this.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtecoTsKtUYBYbq0O by CStamp@mastodon.social
       2025-08-06T15:08:52Z
       
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       @futurebird Make sure kids are taught social media literacy as well as everything around consent in schools as non-optional classes, as abusive parents and religious leaders fight to keep kids ignorant.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwteqgSsw5hFNWlBrM by StephanieMoore@mastodon.online
       2025-08-06T15:11:18Z
       
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       @futurebird @guitargabe I totally agree. New Mexico just passed a regulation banning cell phones in classrooms, and I’m really bothered by that as a parent.I also don’t think it’s a strategy that helps them learn how to develop healthier relationships with technology. There was a good discussion on this on NPR disputing Haidt’s premise that cell phones are causing mental health issues (causal claims are usually statistically suspect). They countered that instead…
       
 (DIR) Post #Awtf5zFDOddnxwfAo4 by michael_w_busch@mastodon.online
       2025-08-06T15:14:06Z
       
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       @futurebird I would find relevant experts on online safety and have them prepare & enforce appropriate regulations.Since this is not something where laws have been particularly effective; but experts who keep track of constantly-changing computer systems and how they are being exploited are.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtfF0mt1pitMFiSOm by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T15:15:47Z
       
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       @billiglarper Why do you think social media companies fail to help in some cases? Has your friend given any reasons? Are they just lazy? Concerned about liability? Making money off of those people and not wanting it to stop?Frankly my faith in law enforcement is low, but I have stumbled on so many disgusting little corners of the web *without* looking I would hope that there would be fruitful work to be done in that area. The creeps exist.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtfRnH4a6ShDDvkPI by archroadkill@mastodon.social
       2025-08-06T15:18:05Z
       
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       @futurebird Sorry but I have to disagree on that one. If you've ever seen a bunch of teenagers with phones you know that allowing that in a summer camp completely changes the entire social dynamics by, erm, taking away much of the "social" partIf you want to retain some way to text then maybe smart watches would be an option. But you have to eliminate access to social media if you want anything else to go on besides a couple of kids complaining every time you interrupt their Tiktok consumption
       
 (DIR) Post #Awtfl1SI55hUhCLXNo by CStamp@mastodon.social
       2025-08-06T15:21:34Z
       
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       @futurebird @guitargabe Class and school size. I don’t think schools should be bigger than what allows a principal to know the students. I know they argue about pooling resources, so the bigger the better, but if kids matter, find more schools and make sure teachers have adequate support with regards to pay and resources.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtfmwheijhOXJRzM0 by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T15:21:56Z
       
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       @archroadkill I'm a teacher and I've taken kids on camping trips. They all had their phones. We told them that this was meant to be an offline time and their phones would need to stay in their bags. I had to tell two students to put them away and threaten to take the phone of one who did it again. Some of them used their phones in their sleeping bags after lights out, but most didn't. I didn't bother to enforce that one since during the day they forget the phones even existed.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awtg1gVtCDMyfUyUuO by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T15:24:36Z
       
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       @archroadkill Also important when I was doing a head count before getting on a boat to go back to the mainland I couldn't find one student. (The level of panic I was feeling was extreme.)So I called them. (I have all their numbers in my phone, and a group text where I could blast them all with a text quickly. Didn't need to use that one.)I LOVED being able to just call them. (They were back talking to the candlemaking guy and came running right away.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwthHiJ4OdlookBZbs by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T15:38:42Z
       
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       @archroadkill I do think there can be something freeing and wonderful about "disconnecting" but I don't think one really feels it if someone else is forcing you to do it. This trip was middle school. The seniors *decided* that they didn't want any phone use on their bus ride as we let them decide what rules they wanted for their class trip. (up to a point)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwthYKl1Cm8OhhBRAm by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T15:41:42Z
       
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       @archroadkill I love to let them set the rules when possible because then *I* don't need to be the cop. They are so strict with each other.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwthetYgjD6UNJXpxY by archroadkill@mastodon.social
       2025-08-06T15:42:52Z
       
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       @futurebird I am glad to hear that it worked out this way for you.The kids I know mostly would never voluntarily give up or even reduce their social media use. Mostly because that is what many of them think is the way they are connected with friends. They were essentially trapped before they ever realized it.You really have to force them to experience life without it before they'll even talk to you about it being an option.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtiXEp9sZ4xy0A3rk by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T15:52:41Z
       
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       @dalias @DavyJones Until around age 13-15 kids should use internet protected with age-appropriate white lists IMO. School internet should have whitelists developed by teachers and with student input. Younger kids under age 10 should use internet mostly with supervision. Some parents will want to limit white lists to impose their values in various ways. Some of this is probably harmful. But I doubt that the internet rules are the greatest source of harm in those families.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awtiim8MNIHMSbdzYu by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T15:54:48Z
       
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       @dalias @DavyJones When you have a hight level of trust in your relationship with young people the appreciate this kind of protection ... it's not just that there are gross and scary things out there but for younger kids many things online aren't made for them and can be too difficult to use. So just like having a "children's section" in a library you curate content for them. It's a big responsibility and something I take very seriously.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awtjk5Sc6Ve8e2J5Ye by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T16:06:13Z
       
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       @dalias @DavyJones Some school libraries have the same problems. It depends on the school community. Our parents and teaches don't block such content in the library or online. But we do use a white list for middle school and a black list for HS (most of what is blacklisted are big social media sites, a list we get of general phonographic stuff from service and various games that the student council asks us to block because they are distracting)
       
 (DIR) Post #Awtjtz90RUn3x1r6Ey by stevegis_ssg@mas.to
       2025-08-06T16:08:00Z
       
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       @futurebird Fully socialized mental health care.(To go with socialized physical health care of course but you asked about "online" protections specifically.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtrSqm6FdLvoAiHSq by DavyJones@c.im
       2025-08-06T16:29:06Z
       
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       @futurebird My understanding is that Wikipedia says they fall under the definition so would have to block themselves. The only sites the UK government have listed are 34 porn sites so people know where to go.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awtulp5J3jaTvlR3iK by Burn_this_@beige.party
       2025-08-06T18:09:44Z
       
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       @futurebird @guitargabe It's easier to just ban something than to create and enforce a nuanced policy.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwtxeDk9nHvFxFbqts by JosephMeyer@c.im
       2025-08-06T17:13:10Z
       
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       @futurebird User access should depend on achieving a passing score on a test of critical thinking. For those failing the test of critical thinking skills, a remedial course should be offered.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awu41qDJWnLzeZtTge by alcinnz@floss.social
       2025-08-06T19:53:29Z
       
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       @futurebird I'd certainly want to make protecting their future from the threat of climate breakdown part of it! Maybe a right to sue for inaction to ensure it gets done?Otherwise I'll just second your all your proposals!
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuCRhuboblD4JzPfc by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T21:27:50Z
       
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       @josh0 @archroadkill IDK I don't think much has changed. I talk with them about WHY I don't like it when they are buried in their phones when we've gone to the trouble of taking them somewhere special together, how I don't want them to miss out and they seemed to take it seriously. It was a great trip. I'm looking forward to going with the next group this year.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuEFSurwY3izeOxYu by minmi@sfba.social
       2025-08-06T21:47:59Z
       
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       @futurebird It’s funny, what comes to mind is just ways to have kids understand and interact in the world, online and off, better. Good, comprehensive sex ed that involves discussion of consent, patriarchy, exploitation. Good afterschool programming and, for older kids, job opportunities. Sports, debate, auto shop, home ec, babysitting, working in a shop, etc. Stronger communities that involve families meeting up for play and dinner. So good parks, well designed cities, an education campaign around the value of dinner and time spent together.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuEf5GkU97fBMqr8S by dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org
       2025-08-06T21:52:31Z
       
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       @futurebird @archroadkill I'm with you 100%. Of course I'm an anarchist and I generally don't like anyone banning anything at a government level. I think it's fine to enforce contextual community rules, I think it's even better to explain the reasoning for the rules and get consensus and buy in from those who are supposed to follow them. It's even better if the things you're doing are in fact more interesting than scrolling Insta... My kids understand when phones are and are not appropriate
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuFP66nhDMr6h8hE0 by marymessall@mendeddrum.org
       2025-08-06T22:00:38Z
       
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       @futurebird These are good suggestions. The one I've heard that I think would protect everyone, not just kids, is to formalize "freedom of speech, not freedom of reach." Section 230 prevents platforms from being sued for defamation or fraud because of user content, on the theory that they're like the phone company. But I think as soon as they are amplifying posts they are more like a newspaper. I think we should able to sue them for stuff that they have artificially increased the reach for.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuFXhCveBy8U36cHA by MrBirch@mastodon.social
       2025-08-06T22:02:25Z
       
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       @futurebird   No phones in schools. That needs to be the foundation.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuGopqEtoTO8fEHfk by MisuseCase@twit.social
       2025-08-06T22:16:47Z
       
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       @futurebird I would propose comprehensive privacy laws similar to the GDPR, among other things. We are all harmed by the loss of privacy and trading of our personal information, but particularly vulnerable populations like kids.IMO providing safety for kids is mostly an offline endeavor.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuIfoETiDC8RzOI4G by fluffykittycat@furry.engineer
       2025-08-06T22:37:37Z
       
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       @futurebird @guitargabe schools are awful. Fuck that shit
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuKsFgzdtC500n0Pw by Susan60@aus.social
       2025-08-06T23:02:11Z
       
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       @futurebird @josh0 @archroadkill When we took 16yos on a 10 day bus trip/camp, we kept their phones & handed them out every few days when for half an hour or so for contact with home. When we had an emergency evacuation one night, due to a small grass fire that was quickly brought under control, our kids gathered quickly & quietly. Another school group were in chaos, with kids running around on phones telling parents they were going to die in a bushfire. Admittedly school shootings aren’t a thing here.  (Australia.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuNBZmDOTHChRZeF6 by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T23:28:11Z
       
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       @astronema @DavyJones @dalias IDK if unlimited internet can fix terrible parents or an environment that is intolerant or unsupportive of who a child is. There are instances where it has helped ... on the flip side I've seen kids sucked in by these communities that form around minor celebrity influencers. Sometimes the influencers themselves are predatory, sometimes creeps just lurk in such places looking for lonely disconnected young people.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuNXB3C0PT2Nqoc6a by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-06T23:32:06Z
       
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       @astronema @DavyJones @dalias The pattern that alarms me is it's a bit like groupies of boy bands only you have never heard to the 20-something streamers thousands of teens are obsessed with. Frankly I don't know what to do.Though communities with better awareness of issues of consent and the dangers of para social relationships can sometimes do a decent job self-policing. But even those examples makes me think a lot is missed.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuRn90DmrTuTxIKe0 by fluffykittycat@furry.engineer
       2025-08-07T00:19:47Z
       
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       @futurebird @astronema @DavyJones @dalias the solution to that is to build community for them to have instead. Loneliness facilitates abuse
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuUGovNCYySo4IzuC by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-07T00:47:35Z
       
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       @astronema @DavyJones @dalias "u also need to take into account that children can hack things, they will get past things like “white lists”I should hope so. The point of such protections isn't to make it impossible, it's just a suggestion that it's not a curated space. You'd be surprised how effective a simple "this site is for ages 18 and over" can be on people under that age. And if (and I'm thinking mostly about older teens here)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuUZoigBeldfpQUfQ by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-07T00:50:56Z
       
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       @fluffykittycat @astronema @DavyJones @dalias I also think it's important to have sex-ed content and age appropriate queer content that ISN'T behind such warnings because that's a kind of statment of acceptance. That isn't going to happen in a lot of communities but it among many things that aren't happening. I don't think *not* having selected content at all is a good idea though.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuYgbBZIvaBXgQbjM by Steve@ferral.cat
       2025-08-07T01:35:27.063163Z
       
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       @astronema @DavyJones @dalias @futurebird At a time when queer and trans kids are being targeted by media and legislation, it seems absurd and dangerous to try to further isolate them, and tear away and support or education they may have online.It's somewhat disturbing that all the solutions provided in this thread are attempts to digitally control and isolate kids while never acknowledging that kids become young adults quickly, and that we live in a connected world where you can never successfully digitally isolate kids entirely. Teachers, themselves, are woefully ill educated on technology, social media, AI, and online economics. Frankly, you would probably be better off having teenagers hold classes for teachers explaining how social media and dynamics work online. We keep trying to reject or restrict technology we all use daily under the guise of "child innocence" instead of treating children as complex human beings who need guidance to become competent adults.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuYgcKp20Zx6flVnE by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-07T01:36:59Z
       
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       @Steve @DavyJones @dalias @astronema "all the solutions provided in this thread are attempts to digitally control and isolate kids"all of them?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuZ8XkteQxx0oHHG4 by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-07T01:42:05Z
       
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       @ireneista I know what won't help, trying to age gate sites with IDs. It's nonsense and kind of tangental to the actual problems.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awuc8VvWkWOTCfvZaq by nicholas@aklp.club
       2025-08-07T02:15:45.270176Z
       
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       If it's that much of an emergency, they can take the hit on their grade. The life lesson is that you actually should break the rules when it is warranted; and you actually should bare the consequences of breaking the rules when it is warranted. This "breaking the rules should have no consequences if it is warranted" meta is a psyop.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwucHWDD3g5kh6UZcm by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-07T02:17:21Z
       
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       @nicholas @dalias @guitargabe OK but the rule is that you can use a phone if it's an emergency. So it's not breaking the rules then?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuckH8ECoXCJysGu0 by nicholas@aklp.club
       2025-08-07T02:22:35.775831Z
       
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       This is possible, but amounts to a recipe for 'emergency' creep, since who decides if it was really an emergency or not. In order to be an actual object lesson, the steaks must be real.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awuczn13wUPFYKv8IC by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-07T02:25:21Z
       
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       @nicholas @dalias @guitargabe IDK. I've had a kid pull out their phone in class and leave the room so I marked it down. But they came back later and explained they were waiting for a text from their parent about an important issue that I agreed was "an emergency"They haven't done it again and really all of them generally they rarely break the rules in general.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwudHoKrm8wurDmDjs by futurebird@sauropods.win
       2025-08-07T02:28:37Z
       
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       @nicholas @dalias @guitargabe IDK if I think my students are jerking me around with technical excuses I will just say as much. The rules are to make the class enjoyable and educational. They don't have any intrinsic value beyond that. If you have a family emergency and need to take a call. Take the call.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwudR8sWlbJRAzyGS8 by nicholas@aklp.club
       2025-08-07T02:30:20.288406Z
       
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       Upon reflection, I think that works. If the consequence of breaking the rule is 'explain the situation to the teacher and accept their judgment' I think that is sufficient stakesto align the incentives.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwukOncFY5OkKdBfDU by lispi314@udongein.xyz
       2025-08-07T03:34:50.838215Z
       
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       @nicholas @futurebird @guitargabe @dalias > This "breaking the rules should have no consequences if it is warranted" meta is a psyop.And yet look at jury nullification when it is warranted.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwukOofpcFrDc1s2RE by nicholas@aklp.club
       2025-08-07T03:48:18.432943Z
       
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       The process is the punishment submitting to the jury's judgment is the consequence.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwulpE6FnwhtxBO24m by lispi314@udongein.xyz
       2025-08-07T03:50:13.729945Z
       
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       @nicholas @futurebird @guitargabe @dalias In countries where going to court isn't instant bankruptcy, usually the sentence is considered the consequence.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwulpFNJ41wRuMNAIK by nicholas@aklp.club
       2025-08-07T04:04:19.357041Z
       
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       going to court isn't instant bankruptcyThis seems like a fairytale 🤔
       
 (DIR) Post #Awum9LUU2G2AfRJUTA by lispi314@udongein.xyz
       2025-08-07T04:06:48.365512Z
       
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       @nicholas @futurebird @guitargabe @dalias In USA not getting murdered by the cops before ever making it to court is apparently almost one, so I understand the disbelief.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awum9Mz0UG2nIObNgW by Tony@clew.lol
       2025-08-07T04:07:57.145831Z
       
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       @lispi314 @nicholas @dalias @guitargabe @futurebird hey lispi glad to see you're still big mad at corpoate jargon
       
 (DIR) Post #AwumPXRhM2MiNXjRWC by Tony@clew.lol
       2025-08-07T04:10:53.705269Z
       
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       @lispi314 @dalias @futurebird @guitargabe @nicholas also, after researching more about the "marketing companies" around here i actually understand why you're so big mad at copywrite law.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwumuFA9NdeUeUAJVY by nicholas@aklp.club
       2025-08-07T04:16:25.065455Z
       
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       Ive never been more proud 🥲
       
 (DIR) Post #AwuvzR0DgdNCPM4QrY by andthisismrspeacock@mas.to
       2025-08-07T05:58:08Z
       
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       @futurebird @guitargabe This is absolutely correct.  In my day we had pay phones in the cafeteria, the gym, the library, outside by the bus port, by the ball fields, everywhere.  So if you needed to call someone in an emergency or just because you didn't feel safe in front of the principal or with a teacher hanging over you, you could.  Now that the only non-mobile phone is in the office, there has to be some accommodation for kids using their phones.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awv5BiqW4OiSoLSweu by quincy@chaos.social
       2025-08-07T07:41:10Z
       
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       @futurebird I would ban big tech ad/surveillance driven platforms ...