Post AwpWuMAujrBdLLksAy by jerod23@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #Awo5hmjdmmA626oqPI by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-03T22:44:07Z
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There's a FACTSHEET FIVE archival project going on. Nice.https://f5archive.org/
(DIR) Post #Awo8Q7NsZfEmizuL0S by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-03T23:14:31Z
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@chris Hey I'm trying to recall something, or work it out, regarding zines of that era... maybe you can help!There was (is?) a method of producing a publication where members of a group each write an article (or whatever the type of work may be), each member sends that work to a person, often a member, who makes N copies for N group members, binds and ships a copy to each member. That central person can shift to another member, etc.What the hell was that called!! It has a particular name. I'm stumped.
(DIR) Post #AwoELSKTsA1dxiTiAi by davebauerart@mastodon.social
2025-08-04T00:20:53Z
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@tomjennings Looking at the Factsheet Five Parties post, this happened about a mile away from where i was growing up at the time, and later I moved about a block away (but too late for this). Why was I 10 years old when it was happening?
(DIR) Post #AwoIv1TZaccYv4wihM by DrGecko@mastodon.social
2025-08-04T01:12:07Z
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@tomjennings Ohmigod, I went to one of Mike's parties. I was not the only zine publisher there with no social skills. It was a blast. Wound up talking a lot with his (physicist) (then-)wife about phase transitions in crystals.
(DIR) Post #AwoJ0tkVEORggzfNce by DrGecko@mastodon.social
2025-08-04T01:13:11Z
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@tomjennings samizdat?
(DIR) Post #AwoZmLsc3dcOod6qbw by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-04T04:21:05Z
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@chris Oh this would not have been a FS5 thing, just random art covered on the zine
(DIR) Post #Awoa9ZIaKgQF5tKPNQ by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-04T04:25:17Z
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@DrGeckoNo, it was very specific act to gather N items from N people and distribute copies back to them. Not an economic thing, artful and cooperative.
(DIR) Post #AwpWuMAujrBdLLksAy by jerod23@mastodon.social
2025-08-04T15:23:36Z
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@tomjennings @chris They were called Amateur Press Associations (APAs). APAs were extremely popular in SF fandom, gaming, and mail art. The individual contributions were called "sub-zines".
(DIR) Post #AwqLYORaiXAFfiq8o4 by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-05T00:51:07Z
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@jerod23Oh damn I should have asked you! Thanks!!!There's lots of talk about the "technology" and technique of zines blogs etc, but what's more important is the relations between the components, which are all human relations that dominate tool use. Apazines are based around a collective process of a particular kind. THAT is what I'm interested in.Twitter, and to some extent fediverse, I think of as a "write only" medium. Its post centric, not relation centric. Fedi is FAR more relation centered, but still has that write-first bias. That sounds more complainy then I intend! Tldr etc. @chris
(DIR) Post #AwrRwVcAVDTpkCd6em by jerod23@mastodon.social
2025-08-05T13:37:23Z
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@tomjennings @chris Way back in the day fanzines were very much iterative, many-to-many communications. It just took months for a reply to be published and distributed. Sending a letter of comment (LoC) used to be good for a copy of the issue in which the letter was printed. Threads of replies would go on for years in some zines.
(DIR) Post #Awrb6WDi0OEw6b2LNQ by patamystic@sfba.social
2025-08-05T15:20:01Z
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@tomjennings @jerod23 @chris way back when i used to subscribe to zines and magazines, the first thing i always read were the letters sections. of particular interest were threads the spanned multiple issuesi've blogged a lot over the years and have never been able to get comments working like that
(DIR) Post #AwrcIXboldEDqGbtZI by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-05T15:33:27Z
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@patamysticI think a large reason is simply pacing. The quick impulse post is not the best. When you think about something over night/etc the post tends to be better. Each one is more precious. I think most of it is no more complex than that. @jerod23 @chris
(DIR) Post #AwrfUZZtZX3zHo8jBY by jerod23@mastodon.social
2025-08-05T16:09:12Z
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@tomjennings @patamystic @chris And going way, way back to the days before home computers and printers were ubiquitous and the overwhelming majority of non-comic-based zines were created on typewriters: you really didn't want to redo an entire page to edit a couple of words.The first couple of issues of MRR were done on a typewriter. Then an electric typewriter with about a paragraph's worth of memory. The first Mac didn't arrive until the second year of publication.
(DIR) Post #AwriaVc9WNdmaqiYq0 by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-05T16:43:53Z
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@jerod23 @patamystic @chris Oh wow, I didn't know Tim then, or seen those earliest issues! I don't have a big collection of zines -- I'm a TERRIBLE archivist -- but I have a couple hundred, all sorts of odd stuff. As you say, editing was difficult, so people adapted, and there's lots of "bad art" that people today would not understand.THere was a big zine show in Brooklyn last year, they wanted HOMOCORE and a couple of Dr. Smith's but the interesting stuff, they did not care about.I probably need to do one of my own, that YOU! (and some others) would appreciate! All the fucked up amazing little horrors, made of scraps, that contains amazing stuff, incredibly personal, wild or scary, all made by hand in handful quantities. The bit Culture and Arts event want Big Art and Significant Culture and totally lose the point. Museums are about power, they wanted to see the zines with the Power To Change Things and all that garbage.
(DIR) Post #AwrimjGObGcyOsMtA8 by jerod23@mastodon.social
2025-08-05T16:02:38Z
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@patamystic @tomjennings @chris How many of your blog posts were about whether or not piss hardons were a real thing? That seems to be the secret.
(DIR) Post #AwrimkUy0ZsSEMC2Vs by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-05T16:46:07Z
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@jerod23 That particular concern lived on long enough to get to 4chan. (4chan was pretty great in the early days, when moot still ran it. The rot started to show about the time robot900 appeared, temporally.)But are piss hardons real? I JUST DONT KNOW.@patamystic @chris
(DIR) Post #AwrjYydWkLKXylC5yK by jerod23@mastodon.social
2025-08-05T16:54:50Z
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@tomjennings Do it! Do it! Do it!
(DIR) Post #Awrqva0jAbbJwWlquO by patamystic@sfba.social
2025-08-05T18:17:21Z
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@tomjennings @jerod23 @chris yeah, this tracks. i always think of my best replies a day after i posted one
(DIR) Post #AwsSKJu3tJ8LWvJTge by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-06T01:16:26Z
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@jerod23FIFTH ESTATE, more of a magazine than a zine, has been around for 60 years. Still going I think. There have been idea threads and arguments going on for years. Dave Foreman (EARTH FIRST!) sort of versus many other eco types (Dave, a decent person, was at times at dickhead) was one. @chris
(DIR) Post #AwsSql2QXVj4xDh3QG by jerod23@mastodon.social
2025-08-05T13:58:23Z
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@nelson @tomjennings @chris Beavis and Butthead already did a paper on the mystery of morning wood.
(DIR) Post #AwsSqm74Xj2IHusHIm by jerod23@mastodon.social
2025-08-05T14:03:30Z
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@nelson @tomjennings @chris However, I do get the point. The enshittification of the Internet in general and social media in particular has lead to a resurgence of zine publishing. Mark Dery already wrote about how some of the Internet's Golden Age spaces mapped to zines in his 1996 book "Escape Velocity". Although that was how things were when zine culture was on the verge of going into hibernation and the Internet on the verge of infiltrating everyone's lives.
(DIR) Post #AwsSqmqnnhcEZkGna4 by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-06T01:22:11Z
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@jerod23"Followers". The concept has stunk since first coined. A 100% corporate formulation of popularity. Its fkn gross. I secretly (lol) disdain people who track that shit. Burn it all down. Code as architecture; more people need to have read Lessig's CODE books, both of them. Having feetch like followers defines the framework within which relationships are containered. Etc. @nelson @chris
(DIR) Post #AwsUfx37k2Fwvfzhqq by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-06T01:42:43Z
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@jerod23There's no back to go to. Not that I don't understand the impulse. How do we move on?My impulse is to find somewhere to hang out, meet people face to face. But thats been glgighly encumbered by real estate (really) there soooo expensive, cafes and low grade clubs and group households can't easily exist. Everything has to make such money to just stay open.I'm not sure mailed paper is comebackable. Would a zine received in the mail be sufficiently valued to induce replying same? Its just so "easy" to innernets, and there's still a huge cachet to it, such heavy value placed on computering, in and of itself, anything outside of it is likely seen as opposition to it, and might actually be. There's huge social capital on nerding out so doing every fucking thing with a machine, in spite of it now being obvious that socoften this just fuels perplexity or some shit.Everyone is fucking archived. Its so boring. We need more ephemerality, as a background state, to really appreciate how precious a lot of daily mundane shit really is. That's HOW zines were important, not why. We don't have that any more. Not necessarily for the worst, either. @nelson @chris
(DIR) Post #AwsqtsFkZKxf6DwapM by patamystic@sfba.social
2025-08-06T05:51:44Z
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@tomjennings @jerod23 @chris who, haven't heard of them in years. thanks for the reminder
(DIR) Post #AwxgeSVpxh3DAhHMSu by jerod23@mastodon.social
2025-08-08T13:50:27Z
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@tomjennings @nelson @chris The "third space" discourse. Combined with parents complaining about too much screen time when there is literally no place for kids to hang out outside.The true fanzines were a big part of the infrastructure of conventions/concerts/festivals. Other zines were part of political organizing. And, you're right, why bother when it is easier, faster, and cheaper to do it all online.
(DIR) Post #AwyRGyGMxTJQXWLWDY by jerod23@mastodon.social
2025-08-08T13:53:39Z
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@tomjennings @nelson @chris As I have become even more introverted and asocial I have no skin in the game of people getting together. So I have no idea what the next step would be.Unless someone came up with a distributed, peer-based networking and communication system that was completely independent of the Internet. A worldwide network of desktop PCs that talked to each other over landlines.Know anyone crazy enough to put something like that together?
(DIR) Post #AwyRGzTsQjiAJhfouW by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-08T22:32:52Z
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@jerod23Ha!No. There is no repeating the past anyway. Now we have technology that is inherently fascist command and control, everything we make with it on this culture anyways won't deviate much from that. The first thing talked about is feature, the second? Security. Wrong paradigm. @nelson @chris