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(DIR) Post #AwpFax8htiyuyRstdo by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-04T12:09:32Z
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Is there a FOOSS self-hosted version of discord?What about something similar to twitch that does streaming?One of the reasons twitch is popular is because it's easy to have your audience help support the cost of running your channel. So, systems for micropayment are also an area for possible future expansion. Or are there technical hurdles or cost hurdles to building such things?
(DIR) Post #AwpGAZOfeJhplMKp4S by silvermoon82@wandering.shop
2025-08-04T12:15:59Z
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@futurebird For Twitch, there's Owncast, which aims to be a Federated personal streaming platform. I haven't used it myself (crippling social anxiety makes streaming a no-go) but I've heard mixed-to-good reviews, which is honestly pretty good for OSS. Payments are a problem because any time you touch real money you're dealing with 8000lb gorillas (Visa, MasterCard, Thiel's PayPal, Canada's 6 banks, etc) or with bogus "money" you're dealing with Nazis and other crypto grifters.
(DIR) Post #AwpGBeYvvgj24aeSrw by juergen_hubert@mementomori.social
2025-08-04T12:16:03Z
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@futurebird I looked into streaming some months ago, and some #Peertube instances seem to allow it. There is also #Owncast , but that looked like too much effort for my purposes.I don't know of any #Fediverse equivalent of #Discord , however.
(DIR) Post #AwpGUcvcEHcyVUJBUe by ZDL@mstdn.social
2025-08-04T12:19:35Z
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@futurebird I've heard of something called "Revolt" but when I tried it out it was kinda ... empty.
(DIR) Post #AwpGYm1WM63XsE31sW by reverend@social.undeadnetwork.de
2025-08-04T12:20:21Z
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@futurebird Discord is e.g. Matrix/synapse and streaming, e.g. via peertube. Monetization is really a problem. I know it too. The FOSS community doesn't want that because they want everything to remain free. I understand that. But I make music, for example, and you have to be very idealistic to do that here.
(DIR) Post #AwpGeVTomEcsIn18ls by Lightfighter@infosec.exchange
2025-08-04T12:21:24Z
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@futurebird There is Revolt for a self-hosted Discord replacement. Still in beta, but seems to have basic functionality.
(DIR) Post #AwpGvaMfrv9QNIotA8 by gibbonguru@mstdn.social
2025-08-04T12:24:29Z
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@futurebird I don't know about alternatives. But discord should be "easy" to replace.The problem with twitch is the enormous bandwidth and computing power needed to distribute the stream all over the world in close to real time. Chat-interaction seems to bring many people to the platform. And that gets increasingly difficult the longer the delay between streamer and viewer becomes. Open P2P platforms start with an extreme disadvantage in that regard.
(DIR) Post #AwpHJ0TyvfkW2RPE8m by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-04T12:28:45Z
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@silvermoon82 You can do crypto transfers with python, it's very code-able, but none of the coins are stable enough to make this viable. And, of course, how do you get money into and out of the system?I do think the payment network problem is important for the alternative web. Using patreon or paypay isn't great.What about partnering with a credit union?The problem with money is as soon as you make systems that do anything with money you are swarmed by grifters and need to be perfect.
(DIR) Post #AwpHPzL5ZwuuWFZjtY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-04T12:30:01Z
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@silvermoon82 But if we don't think about money all of these FOOS tools will remain toys for middle class people who don't mind spending a few of their own dimes on keeping them running. It's a barrier to entry. Can it be lowered or knocked down?
(DIR) Post #AwpI2XpBoL5gTi2Wcy by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-04T12:36:59Z
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@silvermoon82 When my mom became interested in bitcoin I decided to learn about it because the way that my mom works is if she wants to know about something she will get into it and you can do it with her... or she will do it on her own. I wanted to keep her safe. So I learned how the whole thing works. I had some bitcoin left over from years ago and set up a wallet for her. We did transfers with my own code in terminal.Fun mother-daughter bonding!
(DIR) Post #AwpI580OGN7TGmVjIe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-04T12:37:27Z
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@silvermoon82 We had to use coinbase to get the money out and that annoyed me. The alternative was going on facebook and using shady "cash for bitcoin in person" groups. *shudder*But I can see why people had utopian ideas about the technology.
(DIR) Post #AwpI7d9HRZKSRErWAy by heybenji@social.coop
2025-08-04T12:37:52Z
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@futurebird any Twitch equivalent would suffer from a serious chicken-egg problem regarding audience. That said, I love the idea of a Twitch alternative that supports micropayments. Could be valuable for more established streamers or people who tend to be kicked off Twitch but have an audience.
(DIR) Post #AwpILXR9TboGmHqxhw by xyhhx@438punk.house
2025-08-04T12:40:23Z
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@futurebird ive got experience with this.for discord, matrix and revolt. revolt is an attempt at a discord clone directly, but isnt federated or e2ee iirc. matrix is, and supports video calls; but it's not a 1:1 copy, is a pain to host, provides little in the way of moderation tools. for matrix, the best client is cinny for a discord-like experiencefor twitch, people will suggest owncast and openstreamingplatform - theyre woefully inadequate if you want a twitch-like experience unless you're ready to make lots of changes. that said, there is a new attempt at a federated twitch alternative i saw the other day. ill try to find it again
(DIR) Post #AwpJ4eg5OygUGZLso4 by djm62@beige.party
2025-08-04T12:48:31Z
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@futurebird @silvermoon82 I've been trying to work out where GNU Taler sits in this zone: banks have KYC requirements which preclude some innovative stuff. Maybe the trick would be to set up a fiscal edge node: i.e. a credit union which had the situational awareness and expertise to handle integrating and also working with free software people. And that'd be a great hobby to do with all our free time and money! /s
(DIR) Post #AwpKGHPFqmfDWJaOqu by foolishowl@social.coop
2025-08-04T13:01:49Z
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@futurebird People ask about FOSS alternatives to Discord a lot, and there really isn't a viable alternative. The main things Discord has going for it are a common interface for text, voice, and video chat, and a good set of moderation tools. I can't think of anything else that does all that.The most frequently mentioned candidate is Matrix, but Matrix has many problems. It has practically no moderation tools, and while ostensibly designed for self-hosting, has exceedingly high resource usage.
(DIR) Post #AwpKT8xsXyvJ6UunyK by JessTheUnstill@infosec.exchange
2025-08-04T13:04:02Z
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@jerry supports a number of payment processors for funding infosec.exchangeTo help support the costs associated with running this instance, please consider donating. You can set up recurring donations here:Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/infosecexchangeKo-Fi: https://ko-fi.com/infosecexchangeLiberapay: https://liberapay.com/Infosec.exchange/You can also support with a one-time donation using PayPal to "jerry@infosec.exchange".I mean, every credit card processor is their own brands of bad. The "least bad" for US donations IMO is Zelle, since it's basically just a bank to bank money transfer though it requires your bank supporting it, many of them don't allow for a recurring payment, and it requires that your bank support it. But at least the fees are just payed for by the banks, not adding an extra payment to visa / MasterCard / random fin tech or payment platform etc.@futurebird
(DIR) Post #AwpM3RQHUuagjJ4XIm by gbargoud@masto.nyc
2025-08-04T13:21:56Z
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@futurebird I have seen that pixelfed is planning on integrating https://webmonetization.org/ for monetization.It looks like that's a draft standard but if it does start to take off, it would make a huge difference in the space.
(DIR) Post #AwpMD8kbm6xDiOCkvQ by ity@estradiol.city
2025-08-04T13:23:41Z
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@futurebird payment processing is essentially a no go besides pretty much just paying a company a lot of money to do it for you because payment processors do not allow sensible usageAlso there's tax issues and whatnotThat is all to say, most folks just stay away from payment things. The only thing possible to impl without paying anyone is cryptocurrency. As for FOSS discord, there are many attempts. I wouldn't say any had success.As for streaming, it's a pretty difficult problem. Huge amounts of bandwidth needed, depending on how many concurrent streams you want.
(DIR) Post #AwpN0RMXMj7DczSCK8 by silvermoon82@wandering.shop
2025-08-04T13:32:34Z
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@futurebird Yeah, kinda the same here. No personal.interest in it, but I had a dayjob that years ago started as a cryptocoin scam and accidentally also did something useful, but while it was still trying to be a cryptocoin company I had to use Ethereum for some dev and testing. After a couple years the $5 I'd put into ETH was worth $15 or so, but again I had to use Coinbase to turn it back into dollars. Now I have to do tax paperwork every year on a historic $7 "profit" apparently forever?
(DIR) Post #AwpPuYT2KwYBmvNZK4 by silvermoon82@wandering.shop
2025-08-04T13:37:08Z
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@billiglarper @futurebird In Canada we have Interac email transfers. To and from any (?) Canadian bank account, low or no fee (some small banks still charge $5, I think?), but still subject to opinions of the 6 apex banks so have to be careful about sex and drugs and such.
(DIR) Post #AwpQ598Wr9WYPZpy4W by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-04T14:07:06Z
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@silvermoon82 @billiglarper That is so civilized. Meanwhile in the US they just eliminated the free electronic way to do your taxes. Not to save money. So that you either have to do the form by hand OR pay one of the many "services" to do your taxes. Why doesn't that make more people as angry as it makes me? I suppose most people still use the services. And it's just $100 bucks or so, going to whoever and NOT the government.
(DIR) Post #AwpQ7HRYwTBIkpl248 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-04T14:07:30Z
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@silvermoon82 @billiglarper You don't have to just pay taxes. You have to pay the tax collector too.
(DIR) Post #AwpQntYfcghH7xP0wi by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
2025-08-04T14:15:09Z
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@futurebird People have already mentioned Matrix and Revolt. These are definitely the closest to Discord in the way that Discord works.I do want to add that Discord is a modern thing that in many ways actually isn't so different from the ancient tech of IRC. IRC was text only, whereas Discord and the similar things can implement media, but otherwise the basic mechanisms weren't so dissimilar. (There were still methods of transferring files, but they're P2P, so require open ports and didn't embed.)Revolt is probably the closest to being a viable competitor to Discord. Matrix is better in some ways, but doesn't seem to be taking off.I'm not sure what could truly replace Twitch or Youtube or etc. The bandwidth those things use today is wild. Owncast/etc are for small scales.
(DIR) Post #AwpSDvbCl1lwwMZ6em by crazyeddie@mastodon.social
2025-08-04T14:31:01Z
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@futurebird @silvermoon82 USDC is stable enough and Solana is maybe an OK solution.Getting it in and out though, THAT is a huge problem in the USA. First, you have to use an exchange unless you want to find someone that'll trade money for coin (very possibly a criminal). They are all owned and run by terrible people. Then there's the KYC process, which is entirely automated by AI.Could maybe partner to create a better USDC option for people. Something with real customer support and shit.
(DIR) Post #AwpSjvxow8ilL2PBM8 by richpuchalsky@mastodon.social
2025-08-04T14:36:50Z
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@futurebird "Why doesn't that make more people as angry as it makes me?"What are you going to do, if you support the idea of a state? Once you accept a state you accept that it can do whatever it wants, in practice, because the alternative is no state and you don't want that.In this case it's like the state wants you to pay $100 in taxes to a state crony. So yes, historically all states are corrupt. It's a better use of your taxes than funding the military.
(DIR) Post #AwpSsbyobdBdxv0ZbE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-04T14:38:26Z
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@crazyeddie @silvermoon82 Could this be a credit union service?
(DIR) Post #AwpT6rrGMsP3GUH1Ye by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-04T14:41:01Z
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@richpuchalsky Sometimes when the state does things people get angry about it. I don't see how this answers the question. Are you saying it can't be changed? That isn't true. There is a great deal of inertia and other issues that compete for attention and time. But, there is a principle here: There should not be third party fee for basic government services and interactions. I am wondering if this value exists for many people.
(DIR) Post #AwpTFI1wwZ7AknHvge by toerror@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-08-04T14:42:27Z
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@futurebird @silvermoon82 It's always struck me that peer to peer is the way to distribute hosting costs, but it is technically challenging to implement such tools, and you also then have third parties connecting to your PC which is a lot more suss nowardays than it used to be. The real issue IMO is keeping the software maintained by developer(s) who are able to fully focus on maintaining that platform ( which means money, again - which FOSS is not great at... )
(DIR) Post #AwpTjsfXHrLl4cOJcW by richpuchalsky@mastodon.social
2025-08-04T14:48:03Z
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@futurebird "Sometimes when the state does things people get angry about it."I think that this gets absorbed into the general, and politically not fruitful, anger that people always feel about paying taxes.I don't see any principle in this case at all. The state can do whatever it wants, like commit genocide. Since people don't care or can't do anything about the genocide why stand on principle about some corruption.
(DIR) Post #AwpUH4g3f2axsCSn9k by silvermoon82@wandering.shop
2025-08-04T14:54:03Z
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@futurebird @billiglarper Yeah, the tax-paying situation is ridiculous here, too. Not as bad, but bad. Then there's the Nordic countries, where once a year you get a form from the revenue service that says "This look right? Anything to add? Sign here" and your taxes are done.
(DIR) Post #AwpUZIHJpcETGhZzTk by crazyeddie@mastodon.social
2025-08-04T14:57:20Z
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@futurebird @silvermoon82 Probably. I'm not sure what, if any regulations are around USDC. Circle is the company that is mainly behind that one.Theoretically anyone could take in USD and put out a token they promise can be cashed for USD. Getting people to accept it though...I would really like an actual bank account that held USDC but the choices there are VERY limited in the US. You may need to get e-residency somewhere for that, though I did find a CU a couple hund miles away that may
(DIR) Post #AwpV3mtcYlsKuo2GZs by undead@masto.hackers.town
2025-08-04T15:02:52Z
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@futurebird Reliability and community level funding hurdles for long term infra.Doing this as small volunteer groups works only so long as everyone has free time.Can't trust the big silos. Setting up a local silo may be good, but getting community involved requires intentionality that evades more than 80% of USians.Also, reliable infra requires reliable staffing. That staff, in the US, need medical benefits, esp for the level of experience needed to run it with minimal staffing.
(DIR) Post #AwpVfPWvskxFS2MacC by girlbandgeek@mastodon.social
2025-08-04T15:09:33Z
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@futurebird @silvermoon82 @billiglarper It sure makes me angry, too. Every year it makes my blood boil that the “best” option I have is to pay Intuit $100 every spring to file my taxes, and only lose 4 hours of my life doing it. Infuriating. Same with our goddam “healthcare” system. Maybe someday we throw all those leeches and fat cats out, and make the world we deserve 🙏🙏🙏
(DIR) Post #AwpZCAQVMFi61ifT72 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-04T15:49:06Z
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@melivia It's to tickle those kinds of ideas that I keep bringing this kind of thing up.
(DIR) Post #Awpa47zEe42265dw9I by estelle@mstdn.social
2025-08-04T15:58:55Z
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@futurebird in the mid-2000s, that would be irc and shoutcast (and if you wanted live chat you'd just run the channel name in your stream somewhere and people will join)if you needed a bigger pipe, someone runs a relay and the audience connects to that insteadsomehow, technology has gone _backwards_ from there
(DIR) Post #Awpbf8s4Q4zFVcVOmu by jeremiah@tldr.nettime.org
2025-08-04T16:16:48Z
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@futurebird There's https://revolt.chatTheir GitHub has a repo for self hosting the client. When I used it, it felt very similar to Discord. I opted to not use it for our migration because being able to use the app with multiple services was a goal, so we went XMPP (a ton of tradeoffs with this too).
(DIR) Post #AwpbuN31zcf9oytTvs by log@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-08-04T16:19:23Z
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@futurebird @silvermoon82 @billiglarper If it's fulfilling an essential government function (paying taxes) it is an additional tax that is going into private pockets in a way that has zero accountability to the people.
(DIR) Post #AwphhGDgfTLEbY0gFs by twipped@twipped.social
2025-08-04T17:24:24Z
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@futurebird years ago I was building out a web based IRC client. It was mostly working, but I abandoned it because of irc network politics.I wonder if this could be a good time to dust it off and repurpose it as a discord alternative.
(DIR) Post #AwtXksdM51u3hdwWQq by mcdanlj@social.makerforums.info
2025-08-06T05:44:47Z
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@DaleHagglund @futurebird @codinghorror Discourse is open source forum software to which chat functionality has been added; Discord is a chat service to which forum functionality has been added. The difference shows in the implementation.Discourse is open source and well maintained. It's thoughtfully designed to help foster and grow a community. It's not hard to self-host, and there are multiple sources of full-service hosting. It has a Subscriptions plug-in that integrates with Stripe I think, though I haven't deployed it myself.Unlike with WordPress, the company that builds Discourse (Civilized Discourse Construction Kit) works actively and cooperatively with multiple third parties that host and extend Discourse, including recommending their services and even sponsoring outside parties' work on the code. It's a really shining example of how to do open source right.
(DIR) Post #AwtXktdOMNWio2y480 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-06T13:51:53Z
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@mcdanlj @DaleHagglund @codinghorror Can it support real-time chat with video? How good is at doing that?
(DIR) Post #AwtpkqrAUCRJMkXWwS by mcdanlj@social.makerforums.info
2025-08-06T17:13:34Z
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@futurebird @DaleHagglund @codinghorror Discord does not have video chat built in; the integrated chat feature is text chat. The plug-in ecosystem supports both major open source video chat platforms I'm aware of:https://meta.discourse.org/t/jitsi-video-conference/146046?u=mcdanljhttps://meta.discourse.org/t/bigbluebutton-video-conference/148050?u=mcdanljI have not used either, so I don't have experience with deploying them, but they are available. If I were starting out from scratch today to build something like this for a community site, based only on my gist of what I remember hearing/reading from others, I'd try jitsi first.In both cases, you need to follow the documentation for the chat platform (Jitsi or BigBlueButton) to set it up for self-hosting, then use the plug-in to integrate it into Discourse.
(DIR) Post #Awv1xIfuHEuxj4w0xc by Netux@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-08-07T07:04:55Z
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@futurebird I think it's called irc. 😜
(DIR) Post #Awv2M1besHOw1pjlfk by mensrea@freeradical.zone
2025-08-07T07:09:27Z
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@futurebird @silvermoon82 @billiglarper not to upset you more but here in za for the last 3 years i haven't even done my returns. i get a notice from the tax man they're ready for review, i have a quick look, and then do nothing. a few days later the refund is in my bank account
(DIR) Post #Awvms2eL7vj0QFCEGO by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-07T15:50:42Z
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@mensrea @silvermoon82 @billiglarper There is *no reason* why it couldn't work this way in the US. Or rather there is no rational reason other than a deliberate ongoing pressure to make all government services and interactions terrible lest the people start liking anything about the process. And the people who say "we need to privatize* it" are often behind the poor service, and deliberate Obfuscation. *Think of the last time you were on hold. Are private companies "better"? No.
(DIR) Post #AwvoqNBC1gHhQKtYOW by va2lam@mastodon.nz
2025-08-07T16:12:47Z
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@futurebird @mensrea @silvermoon82 @billiglarper no reason except for lobbying. https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-turbotax-20-year-fight-to-stop-americans-from-filing-their-taxes-for-freeNZ being a mostly reasonable country also has the "we'll tell you what your taxes are" approach.
(DIR) Post #AwvrR9wKPincz5bwlk by promovicz@chaos.social
2025-08-07T16:41:50Z
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@futurebird Some of our spaces use Matrix, so we use Matrix spaces like a "Discord" replacement - but I can't really recommend it, because Matrix is "the opposite of user-friendly".
(DIR) Post #AwvssKaX1zbDmaw6ue by mcc@mastodon.social
2025-08-07T16:57:58Z
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@futurebird there are several OSS discord-likes, the one I use is Matrix/Element. The dev team for "Tusky" makes heavy use of self hosted Matrix. Everyone I know who runs Matrix servers complains about the product quality tho.The open source Twitch alike I'm currently trying out is https://stream.place . I've done one successful stream there already. The one thing I don't like is it is partially built on top of Bluesky which creates awkwardness.
(DIR) Post #Awvx9T6p0IbGwuT0PQ by Phosphenes@mastodon.social
2025-08-07T17:45:51Z
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@futurebird @silvermoon82 @billiglarper There should be a Federal tax boycott. 1. Fed taxes are the financial foundation of the oppression machine now.2. Every service we pay taxes *for* is being dismantled. 3. The regime stupidly crippled the IRS and its ability to go after tax evaders, let alone millions of them at once.And now they're making it harder to pay taxes anyway. So fuck 'em.
(DIR) Post #Aww2BTmpxG4hOuthWC by lufthans@mastodon.social
2025-08-07T18:42:14Z
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@futurebird @mensrea @silvermoon82 @billiglarper There is one reason, Grover Norquist.But, you're right, Norquist isn't rational.
(DIR) Post #Aww5XCSxKheFuneB5E by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-07T19:19:46Z
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@alienghic @silvermoon82 This is so cool! I've never even considered the concept of a local non-profit credit union ... you know not for old people. The focus should be digital payment independence. I assume if you try to do this someone from Mastercard comes to your house and beats you up. But I just found my old bike lock and it is very heavy.
(DIR) Post #Aww5fH2MDp3cPO3VgG by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-08-07T19:21:18Z
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@alienghic @silvermoon82 I think key to making this work would be having many limits on size of accounts and to keep it local so you know who is in it. And never lend any money. hmmm
(DIR) Post #Aww6Mj2rxoC7j70xV2 by dlakelan@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-08-07T19:28:50Z
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@futurebird @alienghic @silvermoon82 >But I just found my old bike lock and it is very heavy.LOL, your family and online friends are very lucky to have you.