Post Awmgl6OyQilZsug3Y8 by khayyam@rawrxd4mden7rmbobaftao3qjyxbrvj4rrooehkqxlqcsdtnnn2hndid.onion
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 (DIR) Post #Awe71QdNp5dbeZDvEm by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T03:11:47.178292Z
       
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       You know, I was just a little kid when history "ended" as the Wall came down and the USSR fell apart, but I do remember the sense of optimism from then. I remember being able to walk down the street by myself to the corner store -- wherever do you see those anymore? -- out of sight of the house, when I wasn't even ten years old, without anyone having to worry if I was safe or not.I was around when Windows 95 came out, and I pissed off my best friend's parents by installing a pirated copy of it on their computer. I first got access to the internet in '98 through a BBS, and shortly afterwards through a real ISP connection. It was still the "World Wide Web" back then, when Gopher was still a recent memory. They called it "the information superhighway" and it was. There was so much you could find and learn if you just looked for it, from every corner of the globe and from any perspective.I lived through the entire era of the free and open internet, and I watched as it was closed off, piece by piece, into the walled gardens of "Web 2.0" -- no longer a web at all, nothing but a glorified interactive cable TV subscription. I saw it. All that there was, all that's been lost, all that could have been. And I miss it so much.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awe7FgJ4Lme6JYWBIu by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T03:14:21.546602Z
       
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       I've seen websites you people wouldn't believe. Attack threads on fire off the shoulder of Usenet. I watched P-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Router. All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awe8Dt89nf05Sj7g48 by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T03:25:14.344115Z
       
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       In all seriousness, though, with all we were promised, what's happened to the internet in the past 20 years or so has been such a massive betrayal that I think we as a civilization would have been better off if it had never existed, just so that it couldn't turn into this 1984-style panopticon of our own design.
       
 (DIR) Post #AweAQWpeDU6nyfcWQK by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
       2025-07-30T03:49:54.345133Z
       
       8 likes, 2 repeats
       
       @coldacid perhaps inventing blue LEDs were a mistake
       
 (DIR) Post #AweOTdLxpGZEQi6vz6 by noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T06:27:21.686705Z
       
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       @coldacid but I didn't design this evil shit.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwefTPmtxcQzZtBybY by p
       2025-07-30T09:37:49.250542Z
       
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       @hakui @coldacid Blue LEDs *are* when shit went sideways.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwegDZpgwhDU3KVcIa by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-30T09:46:09.100058Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @coldacid @hakui Aight, http://toastytech.com/about/ledlights.html :D
       
 (DIR) Post #AweiAg9pAqRWhxfi3E by p
       2025-07-30T10:08:02.987356Z
       
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       @coldacid > All that there was, all that's been lost, all that could have been. And I miss it so much. It can all still be there and you can use it right now.  We are on one such network.  The only difference is that it's not popular, and even then, you know, Usenet had 3m users in 2005, Fedi has a little more than 15m.
       
 (DIR) Post #AweiW39crqZm72llCK by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
       2025-07-30T10:11:49.744038Z
       
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       @phnt @p @coldacid see without blue LEDs they wouldn't have been able to invent the LED bulb
       
 (DIR) Post #AweihDrrNL8KWcmrDc by p
       2025-07-30T10:13:55.877532Z
       
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       @phnt @coldacid @hakui He's not wrong, the blue LEDs are terrible.  Red LEDs were the only kind available for a long time, and then the green ones started making their way into consumer electronics and they were sold as being easier on the eyes than the red ones.  The blue ones were just sold with "It is a new color" because they didn't have any discernible advantages.  Then they were obligatory for a few years because everyone else was using them, so your design would look dated.That guy mainly seems to be complaining about light bulbs.  CFLs sucked really bad (and were hazardous if they broke) so I hoarded incandescent bulbs until LED bulbs started being easy to get.design_schools.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Awej0XwCymRUH22FJw by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
       2025-07-30T10:17:20.818683Z
       
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       @p @phnt @coldacid without blue LEDs you don't have the RGB trio required to make a color-accurate screenand as an extension no normalfag-friendly devices
       
 (DIR) Post #AwejUikXLVp0UdxqO8 by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-30T10:22:51.383845Z
       
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       @p @coldacid @hakui He is correct in many regards with the LED light bulbs. They are made so cheaply that the electronics fry themselves into death (who would have guessed that regulating 230VAC into 10 <5V LEDs in series would produce a lot of heat. The cheap ones are literally e-waste tier.I also agree with him that LED headlights are fucking retarded and blinding in the night, especially when coupled with the now modern "automatic local high-beam dimming" where the headlights stay on high-beams and only dim certain LEDs based on where the car computer thinks another car is (wrong almost every time or too slow).RGB lights in computers are also rage-inducing for me unless they stay in some nice background color all the time (they almost never do).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwejcI62KGgu98d8Vs by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-30T10:24:13.530843Z
       
       9 likes, 2 repeats
       
       @hakui @p @coldacid The only color your screen ever needs to be is a nice amber glow from a CRT or a gas plasma display.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwejhzArahIZCKbTXs by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-30T10:25:15.267907Z
       
       7 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @hakui @coldacid @p picrelimage.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AwejnHiu3NQ2At3I8m by p
       2025-07-30T10:26:13.918539Z
       
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       @hakui @coldacid @phnt I'm fine with backlit LCD screens, but I don't hate blue LEDs per se, just their over-use as "This device is on" indicators.> and as an extension no normalfag-friendly devices I've changed my mind:  we have to go blow up whatever horrifying company has a monopoly on the African mines that produce whatever is the rarest element in blue LEDs, or if there is a rare substance used in their manufacture.  Someone has a monopoly on holes that this comes out of, the holes are probably in Africa, and if we blow up the company that owns them, then we can retvrn.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwejydNzqt04XugXIG by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
       2025-07-30T10:28:15.478711Z
       
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       I will personally fill every hole in Africa until the blue horror ends. 😤
       
 (DIR) Post #AwekEeoaJ7I7bvlI6C by p
       2025-07-30T10:31:10.731933Z
       
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       @phnt @coldacid @hakui > RGB lights in computers are also rage-inducing for me unless they stay in some nice background color all the time (they almost never do). I hate them but have never attempted to actually use a computer that had that.  I think the fruity light show on the motherboard is annoying but I just started putting the panel back on the side of the case.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwekOu1ebo3FgLlC88 by p
       2025-07-30T10:33:01.829261Z
       
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       @phnt @coldacid @hakui It's beautiful.I also think the old "dark purple-blue on light blue" backlit monochrome LCDs are nice.  (When I have some cash to burn, I think the e-ink monochrome displays look cool.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwekeTACFXGr0IB8vA by p
       2025-07-30T10:35:50.627373Z
       
       11 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @phnt @coldacid @hakui These fellers:zenith-supersport.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Awekj2ihzc1yRHVCVM by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
       2025-07-30T10:36:36.109533Z
       
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       @p @coldacid @phnt >blue:l_ugh:
       
 (DIR) Post #AweknKuGJnKE08xBRY by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-30T10:37:25.368131Z
       
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       @p @phnt @coldacid @hakui Old CRTs/LCDs I don't miss but the dedicated brightness/contrast buttons/sliders are one I do tend to miss, the OSDs are so annoying to navigate into (and sadly not all monitors do DDC).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwekzF4NqRvbNFMggC by p
       2025-07-30T10:39:35.878693Z
       
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       @coldacid @hakui @phnt cc @jae Hey, you have a favorite archaic display technology or are you gonna be upset when we destroy all current-year OLEDs and retvrn to old LCD/amber CRT/orange plasma to keep the normies from using computers unless absolutely necessary?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwelJXAEHS5NHfm7Rg by p
       2025-07-30T10:43:15.912760Z
       
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       @hakui @coldacid @phnt It is wonderful and I could legit sit and work at one of those right now (as long as it was acting as a serial terminal to talk to a real computer).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwelaM2qsEutipLSFc by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-30T10:46:15.022538Z
       
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       @lanodan @p @coldacid @hakui I do sort of miss old CRTs mostly because they had a character. They made nice noises, you could see them warm up, etc. Computers nowadays have no character, they are silent with zero feedback of what they do and just sit on your desk or lap.I don't miss old color LCDs since those were universally garbage with bad contrast , ghosting and they now all have burned out backlights anyway. >OSDsI'm thankful to have button only monitors and not those nipple navigation ones that are impossible to use.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwelaOXPbaYBSBetA8 by p
       2025-07-30T10:46:18.748754Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @hakui @phnt > the OSDs are so annoying to navigate intoThey are a goddamn travesty but it is much cheaper to put four unlabeled buttons on the back of the screen for navigating a menu that is somehow slow as hell so people can try to guess what "gaming mode" and "enhanced mode" actually mean than it is to find a place to put a few sliders or knobs with obvious uses.
       
 (DIR) Post #AweloIhU6cnDP306XQ by judgedread@poa.st
       2025-07-30T10:48:48.762202Z
       
       6 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p FOUR buttons?Luxury!
       
 (DIR) Post #AweltjHahVJtIKTgSu by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-30T10:49:46.817905Z
       
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       @p @phnt @coldacid @hakui ill never give up my oled, my eyes are too rekt.  i also won't give up my crt because my eyes are rekt.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awelzl6WqChAgKB89A by p
       2025-07-30T10:50:53.780778Z
       
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       @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui > Computers nowadays have no character,That much is true.> ghostingOnly sucks if you're trying to play a game.  It's actually charming when using the machine to do real things.  (During the brief period where I was successfully nostalgia-baited into using `cool-retro-term`--and was trying to not pay attention to the fact that it was eating half a core even while sitting idle--I actually had bleed and burn-in cranked way up.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwemA0qv906uQ5le7M by p
       2025-07-30T10:52:44.973368Z
       
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       @judgedread "Up", "down", "menu", "exit".  I don't know how they'd manage to make you deal with one of those shitty menus without four of them.  Maybe "up", "down", "yes".  (The one I'm currently using, sometimes "menu" means "yes" and sometimes "up" means "yes".)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwemEpKfP4yG8dybr6 by p
       2025-07-30T10:53:37.172907Z
       
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       @jae @coldacid @hakui @phnt Sorry, the computer is about to go full-monochrome as soon as I figure out who to blow up.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwemGX3IL83g1SfEUi by romin@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T10:53:55.250639Z
       
       5 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui I hate modern technology so much it's unreal
       
 (DIR) Post #AwemHH8B1JIOvvImUS by judgedread@poa.st
       2025-07-30T10:54:03.204490Z
       
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       @p I have the single button that can be tilted in four directions and pushed.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwemTrEWcNpuNUGrg0 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-30T10:56:18.631778Z
       
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       @p @phnt @coldacid @hakui Yeah that one I can understand for like cheap monitors, but I don't think I've seen any current monitor with dedicated buttons.At least iiyama ones make it easy to switch inputs (and stay on an input that's off, hecking asus ones would just automatically switch to another one), and some are labelled properly although I wish it would be something you could feel with your fingers like braille as well.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwemVGQES5tWmzPwVE by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-30T10:56:33.806717Z
       
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       @p @phnt @coldacid @hakui > Sorry, you're not.> the computer is about to go full-monochrome as soon as I figure out who to blow up.feel free to consider all systems except my own in-scope.  i'll defend the castle with everything i got. and that includes tossing live scene-chix at you.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwemWxnwduFfcwJrXc by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-30T10:56:52.846980Z
       
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       @p @lanodan @coldacid @hakui My CRT had a nice tactile wheel for navigation you could press. So far the best OSD interface I ever used.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awemp4jVcayEKNsg2S by p
       2025-07-30T11:00:10.237902Z
       
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       @judgedread Goddamn.  All my posts would be fedposts.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwemwAdi3llufoYG5Q by zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
       2025-07-30T11:01:06Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @jae @phnt @p @hakui @coldacid nuke kernel.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwemwHDjak9Z5HS74S by p
       2025-07-30T11:01:28.326198Z
       
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       @jae @coldacid @hakui @phnt > you're not.I can be sad that I have inconvenienced you while still recognizing the necessity.> and that includes tossing live scene-chix at you. An effective diversion.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awen4AYuEQdykY7QSe by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-30T11:02:51.982324Z
       
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       @zer0unplanned @phnt @p @coldacid @hakui > nuke kernel.what does this even mean, anon?
       
 (DIR) Post #Awen9QzQa5Yv9D2D3o by judgedread@poa.st
       2025-07-30T11:03:50.359118Z
       
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       @p Until I caved in and read the manual I thought there was no way to adjust the settings at all. The button is very hard to find, black on black and tucked away.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwenBmeZ0XciumOboG by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-30T11:04:14.736588Z
       
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       @p @phnt @coldacid @hakui > I can be sad you're not> An effective diversion.i felt it was more reasonable than say a jar of pickles with a very loose lid
       
 (DIR) Post #AwenComaZm4RoCdvCi by zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
       2025-07-30T11:04:08Z
       
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       @jae @phnt @p @hakui @coldacidinstead nuke OS nuke ///*
       
 (DIR) Post #AwenGykNTFbJs3anZo by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-30T11:05:10.933007Z
       
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       @zer0unplanned @phnt @p @coldacid @hakui > instead nuke OS nuke ///*this is like telling me to cut off my own dxck.  nothappening.today
       
 (DIR) Post #AwenSSGY3onYbj71vs by gray@clubcyberia.co
       2025-07-30T11:07:16.312728Z
       
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       @p @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui My first laptop had one of the dual scan LCD panels in it. God the ghosting was horrible for any usage.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwenZrHpQtYIEcF29Y by AshChapelsGhost@poa.st
       2025-07-30T11:08:36.992050Z
       
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       @p @phnt @coldacid @hakui A nice, 'breathing' blue is good. I would kill to be able to change the stupid RGB on my mobo, keyboard and mouse to just blue. (keyboard is an expensive job, so it makes up for the stupid rainbow shit. The mouse cost five dollars (my myoclonic seizures destroy mice, so I have to buy cheap), and the mobo was a gift, and I will use anything given to me.But god, why this pride parade shit on my desktop?
       
 (DIR) Post #Awenb2tbks9CWvTjfs by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-30T11:08:49.263070Z
       
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       @gray @p @lanodan @coldacid @hakui Time to enable mouse trails in Windows
       
 (DIR) Post #AwentfXYoZnBb12wAC by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-30T11:12:11.172736Z
       
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       @AshChapelsGhost @p @coldacid @hakui 90% of the time you can configure/fully disable the mobo lighting in the BIOS. Asus calls it Aura (I think), MSI calls it Mystic and AssRock/Gigabyte also probably have some name for it.Otherwise have fun installing bloatware to control stupid LEDs.
       
 (DIR) Post #AweuHAsJ4xKvAELFMu by amerika@annihilation.social
       2025-07-30T12:23:40.456543Z
       
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       @phnt @gray @p @lanodan @coldacid @hakui I see mouse trails anyway because I'm on three hits of quality blotter acid
       
 (DIR) Post #AweupIjyLDxZP8iT9U by amerika@annihilation.social
       2025-07-30T12:29:50.597486Z
       
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       @p @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui Sheep anus > scene chicks
       
 (DIR) Post #Awev1cVseWdwCg00G0 by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T12:32:03.120241Z
       
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       @noyoushutthefuckupdad I meant figuratively
       
 (DIR) Post #AwevYjnwZ3wsNDEuwK by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-30T12:38:01.244094Z
       
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       @amerika @phnt @p @coldacid @hakui i had a response for this. but im trying to be more polite these days. ill tell you in person next time.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwevszbdWaOhAl8p8K by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T12:41:42.994547Z
       
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       @p we have a little social corner. I was talking about the internet as a whole.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwevuODtU66DoJhahk by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-30T12:41:57.390227Z
       
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       @amerika @jae @p @coldacid @hakui You live in the mountains of Slovakia?
       
 (DIR) Post #Awew5VWUgRMxdWhfqy by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T12:43:58.750070Z
       
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       @phnt @p @hakui I fucking miss incandescents. I swear to God that a cheapo incandescent bulb lasted at least twice as long as any of the LED lights I've been able to buy up here.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwewBgmLkQcmHc4FF2 by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T12:45:05.580964Z
       
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       @p @phnt @hakui >Someone has a monopoly on holes that this comes out of200% chance it's a Chinese business controlled by the CCP
       
 (DIR) Post #AwewK6XrphCeVrJ38i by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T12:46:36.424132Z
       
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       @p @jae @phnt @hakui at least let us keep colour CRTs so I can keep playing Doom (1993)
       
 (DIR) Post #Awex3s4DzhmWvlGRwu by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-30T12:54:51.601083Z
       
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       @coldacid @phnt @p @hakui this is a correct answer.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwexUEHs0FahNGDQ4e by BrokenSword@poa.st
       2025-07-30T12:59:39.107702Z
       
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       @phnt @lanodan @p @coldacid @hakui >Computers nowadays have no characterMy computer's case gives it the character of Shadow the Hedgehog.Also, if you're set on having startup noises, it's still possible to add internal floppy disk drives to modern computers, but it's a bit of an annoyance at the same time.I prefer to just keep a system from each nebulously-defined era, based on my needs. I like to mess around with Windows 3 and Windows 95, making icons, UI tweaks, and other stuff, so I have a 486 with Windows 3.11, a Pentium 1 system running Win95, my first computer, an AMD K6-2 running Win98SE, and my previous computer running Win7, though in recent years, I have used those older systems far less than I did in say, 2018.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awf21mvocJaqC79npw by amerika@annihilation.social
       2025-07-30T13:50:31.880494Z
       
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       @phnt @jae @p @coldacid @hakui They do sheep sex there? (buys plane ticket)
       
 (DIR) Post #Awf2o7bZ3b9wDBjRrM by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-30T13:59:15.085957Z
       
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       @amerika @phnt @p @coldacid @hakui > They do sheep sex there? (buys plane ticket)we need to exorcise you.  ill bring my kit
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfkTU7GYrcDvnWvWi by p
       2025-07-30T22:08:34.191207Z
       
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       @judgedread It's a bad sign, like the industrial designer is not dogfooding, whoever had to make the button work probably wept thoughout the process, and there was no feedback up the chain.  (And even this bullshit is still better than what we'll end up with when some manager at Shenzhen Xiangtianzhong Technology Co., Ltd., fires his designers and starts sending AI designs to the engineers.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfkhND32MpcZ3rCZk by dcc@annihilation.social
       2025-07-30T22:11:03.778376Z
       
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       @p @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui Crt you sayIMG_20250319_133917.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfkusCH8aXoR2vu4m by p
       2025-07-30T22:13:31.181131Z
       
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       @jae @coldacid @hakui @phnt > you're notI will be sad if you have to squint.  Anyway, we're blowing up the guy that owns the rare-earth mines, not existing equipment.  (They are probably in Africa and they are probably owned by one company.)> i felt it was more reasonable than say a jar of pickles with a very loose lid I will definitely be sad if I get covered in vinegar instead of loose girls with self-esteem issues.The point of the question was less to threaten your gear than to ask your thoughts on older displays that exceed the present year's displays' tolerability.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwflU1itiAMY7DxDwe by p
       2025-07-30T22:19:52.372954Z
       
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       @gray @coldacid @hakui @lanodan @phnt I never owned one, but have been subjected to them.  Takes a minute to get used to, but they're fine for seeing a screen full of text, and they look cool.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwflbgXeLabOjtLRrM by gray@clubcyberia.co
       2025-07-30T22:21:14.575584Z
       
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       @p @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui It had Windows 98 on it so it was not pleasant to use. It was cheap for the time though so I lived with it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfljV194tmRJWrq1w by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-30T22:22:38.547650Z
       
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       @p @phnt @coldacid @hakui > The point of the question was less to threaten your gear than to ask your thoughts on older displays that exceed the present year's displays' tolerability.i didn't see a question, but now that i do.  i think that older displays still properly displaying are a testament to solid engineering.  when i have a 15yo crt that still hums along yet i'm replacing an led every 3 years.  it's a smell
       
 (DIR) Post #Awflzc5yWwERtnoIkq by judgedread@poa.st
       2025-07-30T22:25:30.595861Z
       
       7 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p I miss Japanese offshoring.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfmGj8paPwafuJ40e by p
       2025-07-30T22:28:40.456973Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @AshChapelsGhost @phnt @coldacid @hakui The blue pierces; it's like a wavelength calculated to make it impossible to see the screen.  For different reasons, I get the cheap mice ($10 Logitech USB), but they still always use red.> But god, why this pride parade shit on my desktop? I wonder if it's something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war , where manufacturers are willing to push a design that is eye-catching at the expense of long-term use.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfnP3AL7Vmp3AXpgG by Sirensabotage@noauthority.social
       2025-07-30T22:40:38Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @coldacid We just build a new internet
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfnP3QIACXxqe0ZXs by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T22:41:21.095998Z
       
       0 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @Sirensabotage you think they won't try to make that illegal? Herr Starmer in the UK is already talking about outlawing VPNs
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfnhHwcuZq069pLpQ by viking@noauthority.social
       2025-07-30T22:44:38Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @coldacid I love it!
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfnuH0hhEPqxuvTRg by p
       2025-07-30T22:47:01.582869Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @amerika @phnt @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan Did you sodomize her?youthink.mp4
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfnzU5UVFAMyIeMFc by p
       2025-07-30T22:47:58.083733Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @amerika @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt The Romans discovered that you can have both at the same time.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfo2yqQbb3TEQGtOq by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T22:48:35.473713Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @jae @phnt @hakui what if the sheep anuses were really the scene girls we fucked along the way
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfo6FRdLKqBaJESR6 by p
       2025-07-30T22:49:11.432817Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @coldacid That was kind of my point:  the rest of the internet is like the shitty part of town.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfoINkmHEympRyMgC by p
       2025-07-30T22:51:23.007977Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt Doom looks fine on a monochrome amber CRT.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfoV8282GGLq2ANP6 by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T22:53:40.704368Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @jae @phnt @hakui
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfoZMKGq0RzKAfZ3Y by ins0mniak@mikoshidata.cloud
       2025-07-30T22:54:26.198644Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui I heard a guy got it running on a dialysis machine.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfockhEgZbBmD1s0W by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-30T22:55:03.448688Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @ins0mniak @jae @phnt @p @hakui it's been run on a calculator powered by rotting potatoes
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfoh4hsEJLkznOAD2 by ins0mniak@mikoshidata.cloud
       2025-07-30T22:55:50.432522Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @coldacid @jae @phnt @p @hakui based
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfw6Euc7ejDZAIJPs by amerika@annihilation.social
       2025-07-31T00:18:49.176631Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui No, but tonight I go to the paddock with carrots and a lasso.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfw7hfsfc0v3p6KaO by amerika@annihilation.social
       2025-07-31T00:19:05.119750Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui I wonder if we can genetically engineer sheep hipsters.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfw9Y4dKvYBrbYhzk by amerika@annihilation.social
       2025-07-31T00:19:25.158362Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @coldacid @jae @phnt @p @hakui You guys seriously overrate sex with living humans.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfwEuVjLMUgtmn2K8 by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-31T00:20:22.929021Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @amerika @jae @phnt @p @hakui I'm only interested in sex with actual living beings for the purpose of procreation at this point, it's gross and messy. Much better to enjoy wonderful 2D
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfwL4dkazt43HTprM by amerika@annihilation.social
       2025-07-31T00:21:30.093171Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @coldacid @jae @phnt @p @hakui Biology generally is gross and messy. And so is life...
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfx0z6zXYxn4J8s88 by p
       2025-07-31T00:29:05.067601Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @dcc @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt Hey, the stick!
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfxDm0hYw7QCRIXvE by p
       2025-07-31T00:31:23.743797Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @gray @coldacid @hakui @lanodan @phnt 98 was the last one that just sat there and didn't do anything if you didn't press anything.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfxKnxwgqygI9MV9s by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-31T00:32:39.476098Z
       
       4 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @hakui pretty sure 2000 was like that too. It all went downhill when Microsoft decided to turn the desktop environment into a Fisher-Price toy
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfxVorVhMemFybVS4 by gray@clubcyberia.co
       2025-07-31T00:34:38.629196Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @coldacid @phnt @p @lanodan @hakui Win 2K was their best OS
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfxaTTOeK5RMsXpUO by dcc@annihilation.social
       2025-07-31T00:35:29.345721Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui This is the old stick lol
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfyHpNf4cf5lUXCjo by p
       2025-07-31T00:43:20.006073Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @jae @coldacid @hakui @phnt This Model 100 is from 1983 and if the serial port were faster (apparently Linux is not any good at flow control nowadays), I'd be using the thing all damn day.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfyObku86oJXCdhHE by p
       2025-07-31T00:44:33.521635Z
       
       4 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @judgedread They managed to get a grip on the market by making the best shit.  That is not how China got its grip on the market.long_bacon_shenzhen.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfydg5QJGBrJJQGvo by p
       2025-07-31T00:47:16.941859Z
       
       12 likes, 5 repeats
       
       @coldacid @amerika @hakui @jae @phntreminders.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfygo5ozxmR0j6KUC by p
       2025-07-31T00:47:50.873639Z
       
       7 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt Plus you can reclaim some desk space:amber_crt_in_drive_bay.mp4
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfz2nx8CTIGwlWeJM by Whitewall_Blasphemy@poa.st
       2025-07-31T00:51:48.942097Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @coldacid @jae @phnt @hakui ah, I rember that video,  I had a micro amber display like that [didn'thave that case option lol], it was neat.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfz3S6ku6l9UCKtrk by p
       2025-07-31T00:51:56.427446Z
       
       4 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @ins0mniak @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt "Sorry, sir.  Your insurance only covers the dialysis machine that runs Doom at 12fps."
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfz7wcxNLhTIZXXea by ins0mniak@mikoshidata.cloud
       2025-07-31T00:52:44.300910Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui If Im dying give me the doom playin machine
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfzlS1QaJQZxepAIq by mkraiden
       2025-07-31T00:59:53.531389Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt this looks like it should have been invented 30 years ago and I'm annoyed that it wasn't
       
 (DIR) Post #AwfzoCxn1r7g7tRAsC by p
       2025-07-31T01:00:23.428670Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @amerika @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt2009-06-04
       
 (DIR) Post #Awfzu10kNdOUnJacSm by p
       2025-07-31T01:01:26.399068Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @amerika @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt I'd say I rate it about right.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg00SpDsfqgnPH42C by p
       2025-07-31T01:02:36.323458Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @coldacid @amerika @hakui @jae @phnt > it's gross and messy.As a man, "gross and messy" are not deterrents.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg0ZzsayeWxRonMe0 by f0x@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-31T01:08:59.763995Z
       
       3 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui this nigga got the "sex is icky" autism. fucking grow up, Jimmy.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg0iFjPvLPUvcRGQC by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T01:10:29.641440Z
       
       4 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui Reminds me of why I hate distros where the packages automatically enables or even restarts services.(And why I typically mask installing stuff into /etc/cron.*)
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg15yUNgOQQOxiWi8 by p
       2025-07-31T01:14:48.378984Z
       
       4 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt I have a Server 2k3 image that I use for playing a few hours of Civ2 approximately once a year; it still has dumb shit pop up at you.  Yellow bubbles in the taskbar to warn you that everything is fine.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg1Lu184o4xALd7Hk by p
       2025-07-31T01:17:41.097619Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @Whitewall_Blasphemy @coldacid @jae @phnt @hakui I only had one, it was a 12" Hercules.  Loved that screen.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg1RkJ35vVUmknXTU by fluffy
       2025-07-31T01:18:44.461457Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @Whitewall_Blasphemy @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt >12" herculesit's a tiny cargo plane
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg1zuXpXDoENw0FZA by p
       2025-07-31T01:24:54.932617Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @mkraiden @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt It was; it's from the Novell Netware era, basically designed for fileservers, since Netware ran on commodity PC hardware but you couldn't run a machine like that headless.  So, shove a tiny cheap-ass monitor in the drive bay.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg2iIeNGwEZtAEKq8 by fluffy
       2025-07-31T01:32:56.267499Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @judgedread there was a time when japan made goods were cheap knockoffs. china will probably follow the same playbook
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg2yNWiuPVve9Jnpg by p
       2025-07-31T01:35:50.614706Z
       
       8 likes, 4 repeats
       
       @f0x @amerika @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt I've consulted the chart and it doesn't say anything about negative consequences of gross sex:more_sex_more_problem--reincarnation.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg3VxhLRh69O0IgRU by p
       2025-07-31T01:41:54.778104Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt Yeah, that stuff's super annoying.  The stupid "man page" triggers in Debian, I forget what you have to do to stop them but it is super annoying to do.  "Install these 80 packages.  After each of them, make sure you reindex the man pages instead of doing that once at the end.  In fact, don't do anything in parallel, either:  instead of downloading all of them and installing them as they come in, download, then install, then run a bunch of triggers, then download the next one."CRUX just runs `ldconfig`.  It doesn't even rebuild the font cache unless you go out of your way to run the post-install script.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg3ki3xrKH5Epueau by p
       2025-07-31T01:44:34.699083Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @fluffy @Whitewall_Blasphemy @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt It was beautiful and I wish I still had it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg3nLT6K0EW1zvWu8 by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-31T01:45:02.754317Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @hakui another win for pacman, the post-install hooks only run once, when everything's been unpacked and put in their places :archlinux:
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg4KjmUwphszavFWi by mkraiden
       2025-07-31T01:51:05.367955Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @f0x @amerika @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt I know a lot of guys with sons who certainly weren't having "polite" sex
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg4RxS6W9aTQ4pHw8 by f0x@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-31T01:52:21.436084Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @mkraiden @amerika @jae @phnt @p @coldacid @hakui Indians are just wrong about everything. Dont worry about it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg4WY3UN2Eu6GV9dY by f0x@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-31T01:53:11.466276Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @mkraiden @amerika @coldacid @hakui @jae @p @phnt like, if you look at any of their practices and holy texts, they know the LEAST about sex. They scissor even if its heterosexual intercourse. What the fuck?
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg4ZVg7fEsVb4z5lI by p
       2025-07-31T01:53:45.554134Z
       
       0 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @fluffy @judgedread When was that time?  I mean, as long as they have had an electronics manufacturing industry, it seems to have been quality goods.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg57jC1vJf7MFE1Sq by p
       2025-07-31T01:59:56.598275Z
       
       6 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt The win is CRUX's; it does nothing unless you've told it to.I used to run Arch on small systems where I didn't want to try to compile Firefox.  pacman hates me and wants me to die.why_arch_is_not_my_favorite_distro.png
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg5Ibzz0o6CELmQts by p
       2025-07-31T02:01:54.621163Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @mkraiden @amerika @coldacid @f0x @hakui @jae @phnt Are you saying this chart is wrong?
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg5KToIQZfxPhCjmy by p
       2025-07-31T02:02:14.874899Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @f0x @mkraiden @amerika @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt That's Thai writing, I think.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg5ZlY6l00mm0vCAi by p
       2025-07-31T02:05:00.628446Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @f0x @amerika @coldacid @hakui @jae @mkraiden @phnt > They scissor even if its heterosexual intercourse. What the fuck? :alexjonescrying: OWdo-not-want-911.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg5a5KfCh8o86mjzc by f0x@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-31T02:05:01.828871Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @jae @phnt @mkraiden @coldacid @hakui ah yeah, it is, sanskrit ~one continuous line across words. it's thai. I was only going off of the reincarnation thing; if it's roots are indian ideology my point still stands.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg5bIM0H7mCnyzMzg by bajax@baj.ax
       2025-07-31T02:03:43.719040Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @f0x @jae @phnt @mkraiden @coldacid @hakui i always get thai and georgian mixed up, but I think that's thai
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg5kS5JSvvBahY3pw by fluffy
       2025-07-31T02:06:56.504970Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @judgedread around the 80s, to hear it told. they had all these cheap steel and plastic items, you used to find them at garage sales.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg65lU8Wxh1qEK2Qi by p
       2025-07-31T02:10:47.615535Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @f0x @amerika @coldacid @hakui @jae @mkraiden @phnt So you don't think Michael Jackson was reincarnated as a gay dog?Either way, I mean, I'm not going to become a vegetarian.  I don't care how many gay dog cockroach sex parties result from it.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg7NHPfB1Qzk094ue by p
       2025-07-31T02:25:09.838156Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @fluffy @judgedread Oh, yeah, I mean, I used their shit in the 80s.  This Model 100 that cannot be killed, Tandy contracted with NEC for it, it was sold (with slight modifications) locally as the PC-8201.  NES still works great, but very few Ataris from the same time are still operable.US manufacturers had been shoveling horseshit into the market at the time.  GE relegated itself to knockoff status for a couple of decades.  Their response to the Japanese market dominance in the 80s was to shit on Japan instead of fixing their products.You crack open a machine from the 80s or 90s and you'll see chips made in the US, Germany, Japan.  Crack open a current-year machine, though, and if there's a chip that wasn't made in China, it was probably made in Vietnam or Taiwan.  The government, for whatever reason, is still actively discouraging chipfab from happening here, although they do pay lipservice to it occasionally by giving kickbacks to Intel (which has an incestuous relationship with the government that is as strong and as dirty as Google/Microsoft/Oracle).boombox.jpgfamicom_with_disk.jpghitbit.jpghitbit2.jpgjvccamera.jpgmastersystem.pngsharpx1-2.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg8Dqjt513KMTfkOm by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
       2025-07-31T02:34:38.976983Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @lanodan @gray @phnt @p @coldacid @hakui i think restart on update is fine but on first install it should be up to the user
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg8MM9IBPVa5sbyfA by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T02:36:10.700995Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui > why_arch_is_not_my_favorite_distro.pngOnly distro where this type of shit regularly happens.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg8MmGd4kpH6AFCi0 by nicholas@aklp.club
       2025-07-31T02:36:13.586934Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       My first pc was a leading edge. It had a color monitor, but there was a "mono" button that turned everything black and green. I loved playing joust in 'green mode'.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg9H5zKwLsYTl0hZA by p
       2025-07-31T02:46:27.381986Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @mischievoustomato @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > i think restart on update is fineDesktop mentality.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awg9nNUNPOfQ1TvFFw by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T02:52:15.931238Z
       
       4 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @mischievoustomato @gray @phnt @p @coldacid @hakui I think auto-restart shouldn't happen because it can be disruptive (at least I don't think they restart stuff like dbus, whole system would become unusable) and because if you get in the mindset of auto-restart it also pulls in the need to update configuration during packages updates as otherwise the restart would fail.Debian is particularly horrible for this, since it's all synchronous it blocks all other updates, so on release upgrade it's a massive waste of time, and of course the prompt is probably still unable to do a diff + interactive merge.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgAErip6wi5bjmqLg by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
       2025-07-31T02:57:15.066219Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui yeah
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgAPkFlDhXHd4NfGK by p
       2025-07-31T02:59:13.470049Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > Only distro where this type of shit regularly happens. People were accusing me of having hallucinated the problem or evincing a player skill issue.  I actually booted up the install ISO (I still have most of the install media I have used; I keep it around in case I have to reinstall, and I have rarely deleted any of it) to demonstrate the problem.This one of the problems with distro discussions, you know, people get attached to their distro and then they think it can't be real if the distro breaks.  There are a lot of decisions you have to make when rolling a distro and you can't make a decision that is simultaneously acceptable for every environment:  desktop, laptop, workstation, server, kiosk, embedded, etc.  You also can't make every user happy:  noobs and people that hate computers and just want to check their email and hackers and sysadmins and children and "power users".  If there were a clearly correct solution for every environment/user combination, then there wouldn't be more than one distro.Last I checked, someone had created a statically linked version of pacman specifically to work around this issue periodically cropping up.  I think the default ought to be static for stuff like that:  if it is in charge of moving libraries around and installing or uninstalling them, then you have to build it such that it can't break itself by installing or uninstalling a library.  (This is also why all of the stupid Python scripting nearly all distros do nowadays is a mistake.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgARGzkyKBJSwcj0S by p
       2025-07-31T02:59:30.047562Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @nicholas @coldacid @jae @phnt @hakui Ha, that sounds fun.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgAThAEeBgtCsgDAG by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
       2025-07-31T02:59:55.357924Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @lanodan @gray @phnt @p @coldacid @hakui well, good points actually. In general when I upgrade stuff, I reboot, since I fear stuff not working right. I'm running gentoo with gnome and systemd, and so far I haven't had issues yet with regards to upgrades.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgAgmJUoTyqwSFYh6 by FortyTwo@noauthority.social
       2025-07-31T03:02:17Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui 98 Second Edition for the tolerable USB support, FAT filesystem, no telemetry and no online authentication.NTFS, I guess, **is** technically superior...
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgApeWz7LZRPYn64u by FortyTwo@noauthority.social
       2025-07-31T03:03:53Z
       
       2 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @coldacid @gray @phnt @p @lanodan @hakui arch loses points for not being able to figure out how to write a fucking installer or make updates that don't bork your system...
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgAqc2ZrWtlyd1f0q by p
       2025-07-31T03:04:04.792027Z
       
       5 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @mischievoustomato @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt I think there is 0% overlap between anything either of us will do with a computer.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgAtctr7k2BVjNpse by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
       2025-07-31T03:04:37.046183Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui probably
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgAunvpapzQ0zrwau by zero@nightshift.social
       2025-07-31T03:04:48.745266Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       The switch to NT kernel was bloat.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgB4h4Xx2C9dXf3mi by p
       2025-07-31T03:06:37.508556Z
       
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       @mischievoustomato @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt I never reboot anything unless I am updating the kernel.  Even then, you don't really have to.Long Unix tradition of going so long between reboots that you don't know if the machine will even boot if you hit the reset button.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgBBXzy5O3nWPmu9Y by p
       2025-07-31T03:07:51.817849Z
       
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       @FortyTwo @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui I know which of those filesystems I am able to fix by booting Linux if it gets hosed.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgBCA5cSp9xewixEm by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T03:07:56.682209Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui It's not even unique to distros, bugs even when critical get forgotten, even when they are regular, they just need to be in a crowd of other bugs. Which isn't surprising, there's more bugs per day than there is meals, and most of us forget what we've eaten.And arch users seem to be specially good at that, ended up calling it "works for me".Also I don't think a statically linked version is really needed, like Alpine has one (official build too) but so far after years of using it it's only been useful to bootstrap a system as you can use apk.static as a seed.And apk does update itself, but of course with resolving it's dependencies for it (with apk using sonames for libraries) so it just doesn't breaks like pacman.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgBJzuQCOyWOxDsG0 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
       2025-07-31T03:09:22.487214Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui haha, that happened to me. Switched to the gentoo-kernel package, built it. Rebooted, turns out it doesn't get the systemd support by default, had to recompile it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgBY2vblqSPorTcX2 by 6d648940b33d8c8855fa2f4058d75d309d8305fc76a8004f38f9990b9be48edd@mostr.pub
       2025-07-31T03:11:40.000Z
       
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       I had a friend in Iran. They have super regulated internet there. My friend was in IRC "illegally" all the time. Continuing with the movie quote theme I saw above with Blade Runner: Life finds a way.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgCBjFWM64gMziG6S by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T03:19:04.521745Z
       
       7 likes, 3 repeats
       
       @p @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt In fact Windows is a great proof of that.It really has to do a major fuckup like crowdstrike to make headlines.Meanwhile xz-utils backdoor made headlines and got some people in panic because it pretty much never happens to core system packages or base systems of Unixes.But on npm it's just another tuesday, just a full moon on pip, normal behavior of drivers and games on Windows, …
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgCI6CfvRV5IYQ40W by MelGibsonafter4Beers@poa.st
       2025-07-31T03:20:14.204020Z
       
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       @f0x @p @amerika @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui It do be like that.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgCh93qRECbOtERM0 by p
       2025-07-31T03:24:46.755221Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > there's more bugs per day than there is meals, and most of us forget what we've eaten.Linux has such a bloated and depressing ecosystem.> Also I don't think a statically linked version is really needed, like Alpine has one (official build too) but so far after years of using it it's only been useful to bootstrap a system as you can use apk.static as a seed.Yeah, I don't know how Alpine works.  I'm glad they've written something that doesn't hose itself and that they have included a static binary.  I do disagree that a static one isn't needed:  I think it's the dynamically linked one that isn't needed.I found a thing that doesn't hose itself and that doesn't do anything stupid; if I wanted something good, I'd use the good OS instead of trying to make Linux good.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgD66bKilBr0jnWpU by p
       2025-07-31T03:29:17.416316Z
       
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       @mischievoustomato @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt Ha, it happened to my ex.  I told her if she wanted to run Ubuntu that she was on her own and it was mostly fine until we hit a power-outage and her machine wouldn't come up any more.  The Ubuntu installer gave her a 512MB /boot and its auto-updater drops kernels into /boot and then never deletes them; /boot filled up and the new kernels couldn't be installed but Ubuntu still updated the bootloader (and the only option was the latest kernel instead of something sensible like one menu entry per installed kernel).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgDLJFHzWs4ZRjjtI by p
       2025-07-31T03:32:02.278971Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > But on npm it's just another tuesday, just a full moon on pip, normal behavior of drivers and games on Windows, … It used to be shameful to make software that fucked up this badly.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgDgUMRrLl97sBUq8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T03:35:50.261936Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui Yeah would make a lot of sense to only have a static build, in fact I think most of the core system (like the stuff traditionally put in /bin and /sbin instead of /usr) should be static.But you can still manage the dynamic ones correctly and so far most distros fail at managing static builds (I think Oasis is the only one doing it correctly, other distros have nothing in place to automate rebuilds of static packages).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgDhknQEvgMO7P8iG by p
       2025-07-31T03:36:05.657422Z
       
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       @MelGibsonafter4Beers @f0x @amerika @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui > It do be like that.Hitler was a degenerate that blew Rohm, didn't marry Braun until he figured "Well, I'm not going to meet a new girl after I'm dead, may as well".  He'd have been on Epstein Island's flight logs.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgERPXhamEpnAp3ke by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T03:44:19.272297Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui Lack of shame of this feels like guys that would say sorry but then do the exact same thing afterwards sometimes not even 5 minutes later.Kind of thing that makes me wish we could have the freedom to *not* use some software as it's a social problem.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgEoFpNsTkEK3zAu0 by TeaTootler@poa.st
       2025-07-31T03:48:27.798083Z
       
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       @coldacid tanhauser router?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgEvOdfW6b1g0uZe4 by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-07-31T03:49:44.945861Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @TeaTootler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAzpa1x7jU
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgFNh6MSxkB2vpFsu by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T03:52:45.657481Z
       
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       @mia @phnt @hakui @p @gray @coldacid Yeah, I think that kind of thing should have been a default behavior since ZFS/brtfs/… became available as it makes snapshots cheap.I had that in OpenSolaris, so probably starting in 2005~2007, and a lot of distros still haven't caught up to that ~20 years later, almost a full human generation.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgGo4sgmEvYHRZiO8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T04:10:43.586807Z
       
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       @mia @phnt @hakui @p @gray @coldacid Well MacOS maybe also has something like this via Time Machine, although it might be just sending snapshots to a NAS/Cloud. Which is still something most distros also don't integrate, so backups are done in a completely ad-hoc manner.Ironically Alpine does due to it's history of being a distro for disk-less machines, so you'd *need* an ability to save copies.(cf. https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_local_backup )
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgHYPxejYzEyozkVE by berkberkman@shitposter.world
       2025-07-31T04:19:13.169629Z
       
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       @p @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui RLCD (Reflective Liquid Crystal Display) plus a reddish frontlight would be easy on the eyes, but that kind of display is rare. I've only seen it on tablets. Maybe it's a lot more expensive to produce compared to OLED?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgHwgDbwPOqLq1jBA by fluffy
       2025-07-31T04:23:36.715132Z
       
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       @p @judgedread if i were running a chip fab i'd get paid by the government too. not only is it a strategic resource but it's also a prestigious jobs program. those guys are paying fucking corn farmers, i had better get paid and paid well
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgHzL92kUmnrS9uT2 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T04:21:59.319221Z
       
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       @mia @phnt @hakui @p @gray @coldacid Yeah, it's the distro devs breaking things and shoving away their responsibility on users which have much less tools than distro devs to mitigate the breakage.It's like if your typical politician would make a distro.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgIU2Vs4Um93KTVke by fluffy
       2025-07-31T04:29:38.452575Z
       
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       @berkberkman @p @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt a lot of "fully rugged" machines are daylight readable. the main tech used there is 1. a lot of nits, we're talking 5x an ipad which is already about double as bright as your generic dell notebook; and 2. various anti-glare screen coatings. as a bonus, you don't need a flashlight anymore since you can just turn up your screen brightness and it's like a flood light got turned on in your room
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgJZg6MPSN3EinMGG by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
       2025-07-31T04:41:39.676815Z
       
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       @p @mischievoustomato @coldacid @gray @lanodan @phnt i reboot the vm when it's not respondingjust like any other computer :burd:
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgLjWRBOZYM4GM9lg by lain@lain.com
       2025-07-31T05:06:01.625638Z
       
       5 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @hakui @gray @phnt @p @lanodan @coldacid @mischievoustomato
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgSblZlvTsuNicfdw by judgedread@poa.st
       2025-07-31T06:23:04.673662Z
       
       8 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p 'Made in Japan' as the mark of garbage was a trope in the 1950s. Sony transistor radios conclusively debunked that in the public mind in the early 1960s, and their video products made Japan synonymous with miniaturization and high quality by 1970.It's possible the 'Japan=crap' trope was never anything more than postwar prejudice.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgUD1wE9eRhnSSV28 by judgedread@poa.st
       2025-07-31T06:41:00.686741Z
       
       8 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p Yeah, a spy got a grip on Mitch McConnell's penis.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgWy8moi7bIYSeHlQ by ChairmanO15@nicecrew.digital
       2025-07-31T07:11:56.223624Z
       
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       It's no surprise that the most reliable cars Honda and Toyota are Japanese products.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgYJ8vbTkIB1uKxu4 by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-31T07:26:56.186731Z
       
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       @lanodan @gray @p @coldacid @hakui Debian is really annoying about this. Install a package, have no chance to configure it properly, it's already running with defaults.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgZRNIW2LgrroXk6S by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T07:39:37.138128Z
       
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       @phnt @gray @p @coldacid @hakui somehow I remembered it as only restart, auto-start is even worse, specially security-wise.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgZsNloO7mn9R7mAz by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-31T07:44:30.981083Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @lanodan @gray @p @coldacid @hakui >it's dependencies for it (with apk using sonames for libraries) so it just doesn't breaks like pacman.Pacman also does that, but it's not used outside of very few system packages and ffmpeg.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgafdLrFHetfKTAiu by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-31T07:53:12.957312Z
       
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       @mia @lanodan @hakui @p @gray @coldacid >what pisses me off about arch in particular is the attitude of “fuckups and breakage are a user skill issue”99% of the time they are.>there are no safety nets for anything.Good, I know what I'm a doing and anything that tries to be smart about safety usually gets in my way (apt and dpkg being prime examples of that). Seriously, this is one of the reasons why I still use it after 7 years.And yes, while rebooting into a live iso after an update broke something like once in a year can be annoying, there are packages that do the whole OpenSUSE™ thing with btrfs snapshots and bootable snapshots with GRUB. It's not magic and it's optional (like it should be).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgdtpM1iSmqoA0ZCi by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-31T08:27:38.657288Z
       
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       @mia @lanodan @hakui @p @gray @coldacid >apt and dpkg aren’t smart, they’re pretty fucking retarded fwiw.It really tries to make you not break dependencies on purpose and as far as I know, there's no switch that goes into "I don't care what you think, just do it mode" (like pacman -Rdd disables all checks and -Rd disables dependency checks). I've tried to convince dpkg and apt to uninstall a single library (libXft) without uninstalling it's forward dependencies and replace it with my own version of it I built without building a new package for it, which already is a painful process in Debian world. Ultimately failed at that. At that point I know what I am doing and fully know the consequences of it with zero guard rails, but it will still whine about it. It's the reverse of the LTT popOS!_ incident.On the other things apt and dpkg, we completely agree. Probably should have written the "smart" part a bit differently. Another thing that attempts to be smart and is completely dumb is NetworkManager. Who thought that dynamic networking should be preinstalled by default on RHEL should be shot. There isn't a reason for dynamically configuring networking (after initial boot) on a server which is supposed to be completely static in nature.> for example: instead of replacing installed kernel packages, keep a configurable number of versions around and clean up the oldest ones whenever a newly installed kernel boots successfully to user space. amdgpu bug in the latest version turns out to cause crashes? np just boot the old one until it’s fixed. literally no harm in that.linux-lts packages exist for that reason. I don't think it matters that much as long as you have a bootable system you fix up the system with without resorting to an ISO. It's certainly a problem though. What I think is a much worse failure mode is the fact that initramfs is handled in {pre,post} hooks which leads to an unbootable system when the system panics or shutdowns in the middle of an update (happened to me once). And a recovery from that is also painful since pacman doesn't have a proper idea of resuming an update mid-transaction, so you are left with a system where half-unpacked tarballs exist.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgkxeXGa5rU5l2KtU by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T09:46:37.296334Z
       
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       @mia @phnt @hakui @p @gray @coldacid Well on servers it often can just be configuring the interfaces at boot time and you're done, no events to listen to except maybe interface creation but that can be a hook rather than a daemon.There's few times where it can be more complex than that but for those I'm pretty sure you'd be explicitly configuring special software (like with CARP kind of stuff).Meanwhile I wouldn't be surprised if stuff like NetworkManager still flushes interface configuration the moment they go down, so a switch/router rebooting or changing a cable goes from few lost packets to TCP connection cuts.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awgne9W7yxhGFatgoK by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T10:18:25.584936Z
       
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       @mia @phnt @hakui @p @gray @coldacid Well to me lxc/openvpn/wireguard/… should never touch the network configuration beyond creating an interface, and instead have whatever is used to configure the network either get interface-creation events from it or from kernel.Otherwise you get software stepping on each other's toes *and* a configuration hell (like I'll always remember OpenVPN breaking my default route because previous work VPN was extremely badly configured). Part of me wishes something like a per-interface chattr +i could be done on network configuration for this exact reason.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgosNHJiPxKwEJarI by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-31T10:32:34.707948Z
       
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       @lanodan @gray @p @coldacid @mia @hakui >Well on servers it often can just be configuring the interfaces at boot time and you're doneThat's how vast majority of servers I've dealt with work. The problem is when you start being a bit smarter with your networking than it being completely static. (see below)>Meanwhile I wouldn't be surprised if stuff like NetworkManager still flushes interface configuration the moment they go downThere is supposed to be a failover with a connectivity check, but I never managed to get that working 100% properly. NetworkManager can get so broken at times, that you throw parts of your network configuration into the old /etc/networks scripts to make it more declarative and predictable, which then confuses NetworkManager months later and the whole thing goes down again.So far, the dumb ifupdown configs on Debian and BSD network scripts work much better than whatever NetworkManager tries to do. I have not seen networking on {Free,Open}BSD just randomly blow up like I have with RHEL (granted the setups were a bit simpler, but it's still inexcusable). The typical NetworkManager experience on servers after a few months of uptime goes something like this:- I see your interface has this static IP and DHCP doesn't exist, it would be a shame if I, you know, deleted that and made the connection go down. God help you if your servers use DHCP with IP reservations.- I see you have a bond configured in my configuration, it would be a shame if it would, you know, randomly just stop working.- I see this connection with this interface has a higher connection priority, but I will still refuse to use it and route everything through the slower connection.- Did I see an interface vanish due to a hardware fail? Let's throw everything out, bootstrap everything again and break firewalld in the process.https://fluffytail.org/notice/Aq8NzzGHTRbGgKcsee
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgpABpB2V1CcweDuS by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-31T10:34:18.096760Z
       
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       @mia @lanodan @hakui @p @gray @coldacid >wg-quick, lxc and so on, they all can leave your network configuration in an unpredictable state that those scripts will not be able to recover from.I still hate wg-quick for meddling with the default route when a peer has AllowedIPs = 0.0.0.0/0
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgpXGZNYxem0LGJSS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T10:39:57.849520Z
       
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       @phnt @gray @p @coldacid @mia @hakui Well at least wg-quick can just be ignored, like wireguard on my router is setup like this:#!/sbin/openrc-runname="wireguard redacted"depend() {need netuse dns}wg_setup() {ip link add dev wg0 type wireguard || return 1wg setconf wg0 /root/wg-redacted.conf || return 1ip link set up dev wg0 || return 1ip a a redacted-prefix::/48 dev wg0 || return 1ip a a redacted-prefix::1/64 dev br0 || return 1ip r a redacted-prefix::/64 dev br0 # May fail if already added by 'ip a a … dev br0'return 0}start() {ebegin "Starting wg-redacted"wg_setupeend $? "Failed to start wg-redacted"}Probably much better ways to do it, it's a quick script I threw together, but much prefer it over wg-quick.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgpnqhkytB4i15WEq by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-07-31T10:42:58.077997Z
       
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       @mia @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @p Also on the topic of meddling with network configuration. Podman is a fun one. When a port isn't published with an IP specified, it will punch a hole in the firewall and act like nothing happened. I wonder how many containers are public because of that on the Internet.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgqSDj2oGRjgpwOFU by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-31T10:50:14.047649Z
       
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       @phnt @gray @p @lanodan @coldacid @mia @hakui many endpoints are exposed just because of this. podman and docker both manipulate the firewall rule chains typically (especially docker) creates its own chain which takes precedence over anything else. there's a few ways around this but its a bit much to manage. i won't run containers anymore because of this. it just goes into k8s cluster where i have full control of network policy that are simple to deal with. the hole punch is considered a feature but to the uninitiated its a risk.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgrD6ztduDOQvBObo by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T10:58:43.892688Z
       
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       @jae @gray @phnt @p @coldacid @mia @hakui Yeah, it's why here docker stuff for gitlab-ci just goes in dedicated machines/VPS with the firewall being external (like my own router or the VPS hoster's firewall).And for everything else I use bwrap for container/isolation needs.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgrmZOi2k4meNhFRY by zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
       2025-07-31T11:04:44Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @hakui @lanodan @coldacidIt happens on many others as well if compiling it.And I never solved this problem yet.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgsDc1IOwn8bOdjH6 by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-31T11:09:59.209511Z
       
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       @lanodan @gray @phnt @p @coldacid @mia @hakui bubblewrap is pretty nice for this and takes the headaches out of namespace manipulation (and other things to think about).  also experimented with firecracker (microvm) which is a nice balance between the lightweight nature of containers but uses kvm under the hood. this could be a good pattern for linux.  i'm mostly on bsd for systems now i use bhyve (beehive) to managed vm stuffs.  i use it mostly for ci targeting from gitea since i can't run containers on bsd.  in some ways i prefer this since the vm gives me a lightweight full-system, but there's a small performance tax (minimal)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgsM754njwxFjSgpk by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-31T11:11:33.465651Z
       
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       @lanodan @gray @phnt @p @coldacid @mia @hakui this is much nicer than people making init script that makes a call to a script which makes another call to wq-quick.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgswsWVt92SompHVI by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-07-31T11:18:12.552452Z
       
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       @jae @gray @phnt @p @coldacid @mia @hakui Well for containers on FreeBSD there's jails, not sure if the other BSDs have it too, and illumos has zones.And well I usually work with portable stuff I have source code for so I don't need something like linux emulation (although branded zones and probably jails too allows that though).Reason I'm stuck on Linux is more due to stuff like hardware support and wanting good packages and good package manager, and the ports trees aren't that great.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgtZaJNX8ZPd38gEa by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-07-31T11:25:11.523138Z
       
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       @lanodan @gray @phnt @p @coldacid @mia @hakui everyone's got a use-case for insert here jails works pretty well, just doesn't match up with some of the research i do for work stuff.  it's almost like i have 3 computing setups (bsd for my personal lab, k8s cluster for work research, then whatever work/clients gives me).  it's a lot to mentally track but keeps me nimble as an engiener.bsd is not a great choice for those who need insert here hardware configurations. for me it was a choice of many things to go back to it.  (for reference i started with bsd in 1994 and ran it non-stop until 1999 when i had to use linux at work.  took a while for me to come full-circle back to more of my unix-roots, but here i am. i'm happier now.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwgtkosXiIFVzewafo by zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
       2025-07-31T11:26:46Z
       
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       @lanodan @gray @phnt @p @hakui @mia @coldacid #!/sbin/openrc-runname="wireguard redacted"depend() {    need net    use dns}wg_setup() {    ip link add dev wg0 type wireguard || return 1    wg setconf wg0 /root/wg-redacted.conf || return 1    ip link set up dev wg0 || return 1    ip a a redacted-prefix::/48 dev wg0 || return 1    ip a a redacted-prefix::1/64 dev br0 || return 1    ip r a redacted-prefix::/64 dev br0 # May fail if already added by 'ip a a … dev br0'    return 0}start() {    ebegin "Starting wg-redacted"    wg_setup    eend $? "Failed to start wg-redacted"} 
       
 (DIR) Post #AwguLwtAtWYxYEwbFw by zer0unplanned@friendica.rogueproject.org
       2025-07-31T11:33:30Z
       
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       @lanodan @gray @phnt @p @hakui @mia @coldacidThis would work out.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwhCn2ISh869Jiq0X2 by amerika@annihilation.social
       2025-07-31T15:00:32.635359Z
       
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       @p @f0x @jae @phnt @MelGibsonafter4Beers @coldacid @hakui Save us from the artists
       
 (DIR) Post #Awhb5PnYS9e0Jmg5yK by khayyam@rawrxd4mden7rmbobaftao3qjyxbrvj4rrooehkqxlqcsdtnnn2hndid.onion
       2025-07-31T19:32:47.753667Z
       
       2 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @amerika @f0x @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui I believe this.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwhdWdreSnybfchl4a by dsm
       2025-07-31T20:00:07.672039Z
       
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       @p @MelGibsonafter4Beers @amerika @coldacid @f0x @hakui @jae @phnt Never wrote an interrupt handler, doesn't know why programming is fun.  This man has no scrunk.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwhtQKE0AVXGHxAWNk by p
       2025-07-31T22:58:15.999019Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > Kind of thing that makes me wish we could have the freedom to *not* use some software as it's a social problem. :ignucius: ...Claim a religious exemption?
       
 (DIR) Post #Awhu0pLhvVKnFBB84m by sicp@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2025-07-31T23:04:42.907212Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui proprietary software < free software < no software
       
 (DIR) Post #AwhuA6C0fiES5c40I4 by sicp@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2025-07-31T23:06:24.425287Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui no dependency management is a feature in my book. common slacker w
       
 (DIR) Post #Awi01DCnpQhGxSa1c8 by p
       2025-08-01T00:12:09.794477Z
       
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       @berkberkman @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt Hard to say from photos.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awi1bWIuOk7iZPJSpU by p
       2025-08-01T00:29:55.803413Z
       
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       @fluffy @judgedread The chips in the C64 were MOSFETs designed in the US using a process invented in the US and made in Pennsylvania; things were different.  Domestic espionage was not embedded in the chips.Anyway, I'm not talking incentives; blaming Intel or not is less relevant than that the government is disincentivizing chip fabrication, and although there is one exception, that exception is due to a special relationship.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awi4CgOk1zrQV0tD9s by p
       2025-08-01T00:59:03.385350Z
       
       4 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @hakui @coldacid @gray @lanodan @mischievoustomato @phnt It's supposed to respond!
       
 (DIR) Post #Awi551OCCcE1EvXqXg by p
       2025-08-01T01:08:52.608281Z
       
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       @judgedread Seems that way; craftsmanship is highly valued.  But it's always possible that I missed something due to not having been alive yet; I miss a lot of stuff even now that I am alive.> Sony"Because caucasians are too damn tall."
       
 (DIR) Post #Awi5Do5x02SacACTGi by p
       2025-08-01T01:10:27.877420Z
       
       1 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @judgedread Where'd they grab Dianne Feinstein?
       
 (DIR) Post #Awi5x0IaTNT3Ulf7yq by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
       2025-08-01T01:18:28.256494Z
       
       3 likes, 0 repeats
       
       @p @coldacid @gray @lanodan @mischievoustomato @phnt but it wasn't
       
 (DIR) Post #Awi5yl4A4vh6pake80 by p
       2025-08-01T01:18:56.991478Z
       
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       @phnt @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan > 99% of the time they are.100% of the time.  It's always user error.> Good, I know what I'm a doing and anything that tries to be smart about safety usually gets in my way (apt and dpkg being prime examples of that)Seconded.This is common ground between Arch and CRUX and Slackware.> And yes, while rebooting into a live iso after an update broke something like once in a year can be annoying,It's horrifying.  If the machine breaks itself in such a way that you have to physically touch it, this is a problem.  (The unreliability plus the binary packages and the systemd are my only problems with Arch.  It's nice otherwise.)
       
 (DIR) Post #Awi7i4nvdgOr28KddI by p
       2025-08-01T01:38:20.704785Z
       
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       @phnt @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan > which already is a painful process in Debian world.If you want to change a single compile-time flag in Debian, there are two options:1.  Just overwrite the files in-place.2.  Build your own package and then put it into your own apt mirror and carefully craft the overrides and versioning and then keep maintaining it or don't update very frequently and lock the package.  Reevaluate periodically to make sure that this isn't Remember:  man pages and header files (a few kb) are bloat but it is fine for everything to depend on Bluetooth support and qt5 (30GB) or qt6 (300GB), even if the machine is headless and will never have any of that plugged in, because you can't have two versions of a package and desktop users want the GUI configurator and the only other option is to split *another* package into eight distinct pieces.  "You wanted a banana but what you got was a gorilla holding the banana and the entire jungle."  (That's Joe Armstrong on OOP, but I think it applies.  The real reason that Debian doesn't come with fortune(1) is that it is full of famous hackers making fun of shit that Debian requires.  The reason it doesn't come with ed(1) and the "alternatives" facility gives it the "never fucking use this if there is *any* other editor installed" priority of either 9999 or -9999 is that the existence of Unix tools mocks the Debian user, who, deep down, has fascist levels of OCD and really wishes that they were not using a Unix clone.)
       
 (DIR) Post #Awi7x8SGLg2GhPNWXA by pwm@darkdork.dev
       2025-08-01T01:41:01.930888Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui this is what happens when you let a wifeguy do distros
       
 (DIR) Post #Awi8euiklxq0qTy12G by Bunsen@poa.st
       2025-08-01T01:48:56.490402Z
       
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       @coldacid The internet needs to die.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiBNbsdrrIpLu261Q by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T02:19:23.611400Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui More like EU privacy laws kind of idea, I want it to be based on something like consent rather than some kind of pre-baked set of refuse/accept-lists like organised religions strongly tend to have.And well even if it qualifies as Free Software, I'd still want to be able to refuse it.In fact interestingly, the Free Software definition has:> “As you wish” includes, optionally, “not at all” if that is what you wish. So there is no need for a separate “freedom not to run a program.”But it isn't something you get via licences. It's something you get by having the right to refuse a software, possibly even refuse to have your data processed by one, hence why I'm thinking more of GDPR kind of stuff.That said first step would at least be full rights to refuse EULAs, after all those require you to accept them to waive some rights away.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiCKuRUUvOS0UbphI by judgedread@poa.st
       2025-08-01T02:30:08.903789Z
       
       5 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p You grab jews by the money.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiCk0pNtV3P3Bksy0 by judgedread@poa.st
       2025-08-01T02:34:42.726757Z
       
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       @p There was a brief period after WWII when Japan was in ruins and they manufactured extremely cheap products made from literal scrap metal. Of course those tin toys are now highly prized collectibles, but at the time they were considered low class.Sony was one of the first Japanese companies to break out of that image because they wisely licensed the transistor and put out the first tiny portable radio. With that as a prototype they went on to manufacture excellent portable TV sets, as well as high quality standard sets. My Sony TVs were so much better than the US competition it wasn't even a contest. Better image stability, clarity, brightness. They didn't even have automatic fine tuning and still got better reception.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiE8VPxueK0pO6oPw by judgedread@poa.st
       2025-08-01T02:50:20.550782Z
       
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       @p Pic related.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiEIHJtBRXI01vW52 by judgedread@poa.st
       2025-08-01T02:52:04.491600Z
       
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       @tiddlywinkler I was using my trinitron computer monitor to the bitter end. It actually became an issue because new programs assumed widescreen format I kept it so long.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiImjHgB1jdEXfWTo by p
       2025-08-01T03:42:26.475444Z
       
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       @amerika @MelGibsonafter4Beers @coldacid @f0x @hakui @jae @phnt We used to just make place where they could art but now they will get metooed so they are plaguing the rest of us.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiJLMWSnOGqm8696O by p
       2025-08-01T03:48:42.018880Z
       
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       @khayyam @amerika @coldacid @f0x @hakui @jae @phnt Bad food in sewer.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiJYfGMQmagf5uR2e by p
       2025-08-01T03:51:06.264653Z
       
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       @dsm @MelGibsonafter4Beers @amerika @coldacid @f0x @hakui @jae @phnt Imagine invading Russia in the winter instead of just sending them an ISO file.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiJzyyBGmarbGQptI by p
       2025-08-01T03:56:02.484160Z
       
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       @sicp @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt This implies that every time I write a program, I am making the world a worse place.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiK4qyePePeGAyTYG by p
       2025-08-01T03:56:55.307726Z
       
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       @sicp @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt > no dependency management is a feature in my book.:crux: You have to pass an extra option if you want the dependencies compiled and installed.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiKFNzcW4BnYHRyDo by pwm@darkdork.dev
       2025-08-01T03:58:48.872635Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @lanodan @coldacid @hakui Oh I absolutely am
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiKGEEeHR6lZwshrk by p
       2025-08-01T03:58:58.653165Z
       
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       @hakui @coldacid @gray @lanodan @mischievoustomato @phnt If it was on fire, it's because you didn't listen to :ken:.  Please always listen to :ken:.ken-yshl.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiKq8pTrBDjEnEYK0 by p
       2025-08-01T04:05:28.075400Z
       
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       @pwm @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt Every decision in Debian is performed by a committee, unless it's "push systemd into every computer on earth or lennart will kms himself", in which case backroom deals are acceptable.  It's like the goddamn Wikipedia or the goddamn USSR.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiLXFCE3p4PR6QRk0 by p
       2025-08-01T04:13:15.458136Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > More like EU privacy laws kind of ideaIt was already annoying when you had to do a EULA every time you installed some software; it is now required every time you visit a website.  (fundingchoicesmessages.google.com apparently no longer blocks Tor so I had to kill it from this end.)I don't know when Python started doing the "just shove binaries onto people's computers, it's fine" but I'm pretty goddamn close to going full-:rms:.> It's something you get by having the right to refuse a software, possibly even refuse to have your data processed by one, hence why I'm thinking more of GDPR kind of stuff.Well, I don't think there is a right to ownership over data.  I think (but have no hope because of picrel) the solution is to stop letting these companies assume that they can collect it by actively preventing this.everyonewillnotjust.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiM49rutCYET9cXwm by p
       2025-08-01T04:19:12.370670Z
       
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       @judgedread You're thinking of Pelosi; Feinstein was on the Senate Intelligence Committee.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiMcdeieEMAhLtCCm by p
       2025-08-01T04:25:26.260928Z
       
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       @judgedread > There was a brief period after WWII when Japan was in ruins and they manufactured extremely cheap products made from literal scrap metal.Ah, I didn't know about this.  I guess if you have a lot of wartime factories but no longer have control over all of the mines in Manchuria, this kind of thing is a likely result.> My Sony TVs were so much better than the US competition it wasn't even a contest.Yeah, they're still coveted; I remember how jazzed people were about the Trinitron.  Yaesu is still practically synonymous with radio gear.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiMcxAy4YRTEs7ibo by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
       2025-08-01T04:25:29.407090Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p @judgedread What am ironic committee appointment
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiMzBD4ZiuR8RhrCi by Hyperhidrosis@shitposter.world
       2025-08-01T04:29:30.143921Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui wym? everyone just decided to hate jews for no reason multiple times.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiN7OVR1Z2IgnDCzY by p
       2025-08-01T04:30:59.759857Z
       
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       @pwm @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt @sicp My programs are beautiful and they make the world a better place.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiNfiYB0TeKhWrRho by pwm@darkdork.dev
       2025-08-01T04:37:10.139589Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @lanodan @coldacid @hakui LOOKY HERE WE GOT A HEROTHIS MAN STILL BELIEVES IN THE PURITY AND SANCTITY OF CODENO AMOUNT OF DEFILING AND DESPOILING OF HIS SACRED TEMPLE WILL BREAK HIS SPIRITGIVE THIS MAN A MEDAL AND A BLOWJOB
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiOZcgryq2WkBaKSO by p
       2025-08-01T04:47:18.163000Z
       
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       @Leyonhjelm @judgedread A few years after she hired the spy as her driver, she ended up on the judiciary, then intelligence, then chair of intelligence; she insisted in an interview that she must have been Chinese in a past life.  Whatever decisions got made regarding China while she was chair of the intelligence committee (January 2009 to January 2015) are probably really interesting.This is a pretty interesting read:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianne_Feinstein#Mass_surveillance_and_citizens%27_privacy> Following her 2012 vote to extend the Patriot Act and the FISA provisions,[223] and after the 2013 mass surveillance disclosures involving the National Security Agency (NSA), Feinstein promoted and supported measures to continue the information collection programs> After the 2016 FBI–Apple encryption dispute, Feinstein and Richard Burr sponsored a bill that would likely have criminalized all forms of strong encryption in electronic communication between citizens.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiOfDU6bl0kJ5HXEm by p
       2025-08-01T04:48:18.816099Z
       
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       @Hyperhidrosis @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt I don't think that's the case.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiOvDP6fwRQgqZYAa by p
       2025-08-01T04:51:12.297436Z
       
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       @pwm @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt @sicp > THIS MAN STILL BELIEVES IN THE PURITY AND SANCTITY OF CODE*My* code.  I didn't say other people's code.> GIVE THIS MAN A MEDAL AND A BLOWJOB ...Please explain to me who that is directed towards before I decide if I should be enthusiastic about it or not.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiXr9M4gccUYtI4aO by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
       2025-08-01T06:31:18.158058Z
       
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       @p It’s not too late to nuke her corpse@judgedread
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiYaq2WpfItyevxwG by p
       2025-08-01T06:39:34.353161Z
       
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       @Leyonhjelm @judgedread Her corpse is inert; there are plenty of live people that need that nuke.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiaZPEJE2v6RjtAo4 by Leyonhjelm@shitposter.world
       2025-08-01T07:01:43.030939Z
       
       1 likes, 1 repeats
       
       @p Put them all in a pile@judgedread
       
 (DIR) Post #Awie477ot7AJ8SBi4m by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T07:40:51.803855Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @coldacid @hakui Yeah, the best thing a programmer can do is remove code after all, not write some.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwieaAYRfm6V2QvWwS by p
       2025-08-01T07:46:40.907172Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp That's the best thing a programmer can do to a program:  if it requires less code, it's better.  It is not the best thing to do to have fewer programs.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwieyTqdal5ZpG1q1Q by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T07:51:03.135532Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui True, and GDPR sucks for this.But so far only places where you're directly forced to use software are public services, and sometimes jobs but for those there's contracts and so possibility of negociation (specially when done grouped, like if a team just refuses/doesn't-uses a bullshit software, say MS Teams).Meaning a large chunk can be fixed by "public services may not force usage of a software on people" but I don't see that happening except maybe in some weird country like Japan where they love their faxes.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiftxMkW8qbsdSIF6 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T08:01:26.368113Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @coldacid @hakui Well yeah I'm a Unix programmer, I love those small programs sometimes to the point where it's a bit ridiculous when taken in isolation.But when composed allows so much less code overall.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwifwQbwkuujA4k5fk by p
       2025-08-01T08:01:54.576474Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt For dumb shit I have to use for work, I am able to accept it.  For the government, though, I didn't pick the government.There are occasional rumblings of requiring open-source software in governments in Europe but based on how often they actually do it, those seem to mostly be just negotiating tactics to get a better deal from Microsoft.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwigWt46RQHxprIUKG by p
       2025-08-01T08:08:29.920152Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp ken said that he thinks bottom-up:  you show him the pieces and he can imagine the things you can build with them, but if he's looking from the top down, he can't tell what a thing is made of.  Unix works a lot like that, you get a bunch of pieces and you can construct the thing you want with very little code, and I think this is the main point of friction between GNU's Unix and the Unix that Unix was:  a lot of people keep expecting these programs to be self-contained applications rather than functions for the shell.  /bin/true being an empty file is ideal:  there cannot be a bug in no code.So I think more pieces at my disposal is a good thing, more programs good.  Bigger programs bad.  I don't want to confuse the two.sizebintrue.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AwihY44v51M4Egnwum by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T08:19:51.912203Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui To me the public-money;public-code thing kind of matters but probably not in the style that GNU fans would typically think.- Code effectively ends up being law, laws needs to be transparent (otherwise it might as well be "The machine-god decides you go to jail")- Somewhat easier reverse-engineering / interoperability (like less pain from bullshit smartphone apps)But I wouldn't be surprised that there's a gigantic hole in their proposal, we're increasingly getting cloud stuff, I don't see any of that becoming open-source.And there's some paperwork stuff which requires a Google/Apple-certified system (DRM-like).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwihkLv0ZoC52c1nG4 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T08:22:06.709477Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @coldacid @hakui Speaking of bugs in true:$ /opt/gnu/bin/true --help >/dev/fulltrue: write error: No space left on device$ echo $?1
       
 (DIR) Post #Awihwm84x2AZo846XA by p
       2025-08-01T08:24:22.937836Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > To me the public-money;public-code thing kind of mattersAbsolutely.  I think the issue is largely that non-programmers make these decisions and they don't understand what's missing.> - Code effectively ends up being law,Yes, in a really important way.> we're increasingly getting cloud stuff, I don't see any of that becoming open-source.Also yes.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awiii7Xl9RdZpheYXg by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T08:32:54.892361Z
       
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       @p @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt Also I think US has some kind of law in the style of everything produced by/for the government being public-domain.And I think that one is elegant, just also needs ability for citizens to check that stuff as well because public-domain behind closed doors is absolutely useless.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwijjlENBEm3AGvnAO by p
       2025-08-01T08:44:26.417513Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > Also I think US has some kind of law in the style of everything produced by/for the government being public-domain.The government cannot hold copyrights or patents, the idea being that the justification of exclusive use to incentivize individual inventors does not hold for the government, and public money to public benefit.  They don't have to open-source it, but they can't copyright it.  The reason every version of ping looks identical is because Mike Muuss was working at the ARL when he developed the code for BSD:  https://ftp.arl.army.mil/~mike/ping.html .  If you try running ping on Windows 98, it's pretty obviously a port.  (And I know it's not hard to port, because I did a port of that same code to Windows for work a long time back.)The way it plays out in $current_year is that they spend tax money on contracts and the contracted company is able to hold copyrights.  This is still not technically the federal government holding a copyright, but it has lost the public benefit facet.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwikVIAMXrccvEihYu by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-08-01T08:53:00.842173Z
       
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       @p @gray @lanodan @coldacid @hakui It's mostly just "Hey, we stopped using O365 and switch to LibreOffice, look how good we are". And then they write legislation that would make free and open-source software illegal.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwikyfHlfOYH1XBpQG by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T08:58:18.860942Z
       
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       @phnt @gray @p @coldacid @hakui After all lawmakers would make anything illegal, like sometimes you really wonder if they're shitposting.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwilFt87RlQ8sstCeu by mint@ryona.agency
       2025-08-01T09:01:25.415659Z
       
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       @p @gray @pwm @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui 🗣🗣🗣IMG_5234.mp4
       
 (DIR) Post #AwilqMYBXWiYYTTRh2 by p
       2025-08-01T09:08:02.611294Z
       
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       @lanodan @phnt @coldacid @gray @hakui If everything is illegal then it's a matter of selective enforcement; too many laws effectively creates an oligarchy.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwilxSHOdYjELp0Fc0 by p
       2025-08-01T09:09:19.515398Z
       
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       @mint @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt @pwm This is exactly how system d feels.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awim4ksDu4l02vi2lc by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T09:10:37.295918Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui true that said there's a difference between writing a law (pretty much anyone can do that) and getting it fully accepted.And then actually made into reality, a law that nobody applies is nil and that happens from time to time.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awin8pJTRIKIvZxduS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T09:22:32.050369Z
       
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       @p @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt And I feel like FOSS is too much virus-like and widespread to be made illegal, it's like if you'd try to make slang illegal.Or like making encryption illegal/restricted, when virtually all computers today have and need to have encryption algorithms stronger than can be cracked today (hence why it's reality of hardware, bad implementations, and bad usage that allow cracks).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwinglHQwKr2GXBiq0 by p
       2025-08-01T09:28:43.102553Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > Or like making encryption illegal/restricted,WE'RE GOING DARK> virtually all computers todayNobody has a computer any more.  They have appliance devices that are locked down, and most of them are just glowing rectangles.  Owning a general-purpose computing device is already weird nerd shit, like paying cash for something instead of letting a bank see and record what you're buying and when.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwioHPAE894YO7I32O by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T09:35:18.917322Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui Well even some of the least general purpose glowing rectangles I have got encryption:- My feature phone from 2009 has OpenSSL (and more modern phones got encryption for the mobile network)- My kobo e-reader has qtwebkit and so something like OpenSSL or GnuTLS (plus DRM-related stuff but no idea how that shit works)
       
 (DIR) Post #Awip479bsb0gikECMC by p
       2025-08-01T09:44:08.631161Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt It's got encryption features, it can encrypt things; if it cannot be programmed arbitrarily then that doesn't matter much.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiprftvTnO4fzWZ3A by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T09:53:04.562324Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @coldacid @hakui I got a root shell on the e-reader (it's just enabling devmode with something like typing "devmodeon" in the books search field), and it got a browser with JS anyway.Feature phone can run arbitrary JavaME software and I don't think it has JS (the browser is glorious, it refuses pages with more than some hundred kilobytes of HTML but downloading somewhat big files is fine).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwiziZsnU7jywkITnU by jae@darkdork.dev
       2025-08-01T11:43:28.053312Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui WE'RE GOING DARKweird networking adventures as a mere key away.Nobody has a computer any more.  They have appliance devices that are locked down, and most of them are just glowing rectangles.  Owning a general-purpose computing device is already weird nerd shit, like paying cash for something instead of letting a bank see and record what you're buying and when.s/nobody/normies but yes, they seem to embrace the opaque blackbox approach to computing. although i'd argue that they aren't computing, simply kiosk-zombies.  remember when computing required skill? and the elite were just that, elite.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awj70fgZLetXpq9VHE by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-08-01T13:05:12.234688Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @hakui at this point, pretty much the entire world runs on "everything's illegal, we just choose what we'll persecute you with" (and yes I meant persecute not prosecute there). Governments, businesses, society in general... We're just fucked at this point.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awj9lvkbdV9bB9heiW by Nepiant@varishangout.net
       2025-08-01T13:36:03.973043Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui does a desktop computer not count as a general-purpose computing device? or are you saying that people generally don't have those anymore either?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwjH8mDJxXkRwMyWpc by berkberkman@shitposter.world
       2025-08-01T14:58:42.845732Z
       
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       @p @jae @phnt @coldacid @hakui The best that I could find is a classic review on a rugged Dell laptop that has an RLCD display, along with similar laptops that don't have them. This is considered a fossil for the general public; IPS panels weren't common back then.https://www.ruggedpcreview.com/3_notebooks_dell_ATG630.html
       
 (DIR) Post #AwjU5sOFq21rdD2Kjg by SilverDeth
       2025-08-01T17:23:52.085451Z
       
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       @p @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt I am a proud cash payer for almost everything.  We have a bank card, but no credit cards, and the bank card is for online purchases only.   Shop owners love cash sales.  That shits not getting reported.  When I bought a new lawnmower and dropped cash for it, the owner of our Ace Hardware was ear-to-ear smile.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwjUffcqm3CAT3vp3o by anotherposter@shitposter.world
       2025-08-01T17:30:18.761265Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @lanodan @coldacid @hakui > /bin/true being an empty file is ideal:Does this work? i tried with strace and it doesn't seem to:$ rm ./true ; touch true; chmod +x true; strace ./trueexecve("./true", ["./true"], 0x7ffda9798580 /* 44 vars */) = -1 ENOEXEC (Exec format error)strace: exec: Exec format error+++ exited with 1 +++if you use ./true, then the shell interprets it as an empty shell script and then returns true since no command inside failed. But that's only shells.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwjUsiTFVVD13Yf4ue by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T17:32:40.112824Z
       
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       @SilverDeth @gray @phnt @p @coldacid @hakui Depends a bit on the shops and at least card fees dropped in recent times, but it reminds me of how a lot of shops were like "no credit card under 15~20 bucks" because otherwise it would probably eat too much of their profits.And I still got that kind of habit of using cash outside of like groceries (where I still make sure I can pay in cash just in case because cards just aren't that reliable).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwjV8O8cs4G2d4UKiO by SilverDeth
       2025-08-01T17:35:31.628249Z
       
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       @lanodan @coldacid @gray @hakui @p @phnt It's also a great way to curb impulse buying.  (/e looks at his wife with narrowed eyes).  You go in with $200.00 and that's it.  No more.  Make it last.  "Dad can I get some gum?""Nope.  No cash."/e shows empty wallet.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwjVPIAIKeIP1jKSoa by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T17:38:33.372425Z
       
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       @SilverDeth @gray @phnt @p @coldacid @hakui Yeah, it's a recommended way for people with money issues to effectively only withdraw cash with their card because then you physically see how much goes away."It's virtual it's free!" Except that it's never.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwjVV5SoT5Q7N7kp1M by coldacid@shitposter.world
       2025-08-01T17:39:37.251367Z
       
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       @lanodan @gray @phnt @SilverDeth @p @hakui I still go into shops where they refuse credit card purchases under $5
       
 (DIR) Post #Awja38JCnRCjrGkZLk by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-01T18:30:34.188489Z
       
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       @anotherposter @gray @phnt @sicp @p @coldacid @hakui Yeah, maybe there's been few unixes that would just consider an empty file as true but the safe bet is one that just calls the exit syscall with 0.Like getting before the quite hacky parts of https://muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/ a very small but spec-correct true on x86_32 can be made in a pretty small amount of bytes:$ nasm -f bin -o true true.x86.S && chmod +x true$ llvm-size true   text    data     bss     dec     hex filename      0       0       0       0       0 true$ wc -c true87 true$ false ; ./true ; echo $?0true.x86.S
       
 (DIR) Post #Awjk9ouAKx8VFMriFM by khayyam@rawrxd4mden7rmbobaftao3qjyxbrvj4rrooehkqxlqcsdtnnn2hndid.onion
       2025-08-01T20:23:50.116540Z
       
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       @p @gray @pwm @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui Debian is literally a racket, thousands appear in their accounts from "sources" they won't disclose, last guy to leak shit from debian-private ended up a statistic.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwkJiqBp35XllLYhVo by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
       2025-08-02T03:02:16.591Z
       
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       @p@fsebugoutzone.org @dcc@annihilation.social @coldacid@shitposter.world @hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info @jae@darkdork.dev @phnt@fluffytail.org Tell us about the arcade stick!
       
 (DIR) Post #AwkMNr5sn8sELeSvAm by dcc@annihilation.social
       2025-08-02T03:32:10.213953Z
       
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       @miscbrains @hakui @phnt @coldacid @p @jae I have posted it before.IMG_20250430_214241.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AwkP0bOtGzNasUxZdw by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
       2025-08-02T04:01:35.078Z
       
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       @dcc@annihilation.social @hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info @phnt@fluffytail.org @coldacid@shitposter.world @p@fsebugoutzone.org @jae@darkdork.dev I approve of the bat top and the convex buttons. Even tho those buttons are fairly terrible.   Gives me the 90s arcade feels.  IL stick i assume?  Self built? or was this a MAS stick conversion?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwkPQ9GqTu85AFNW1A by dcc@annihilation.social
       2025-08-02T04:06:11.948625Z
       
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       @miscbrains @hakui @phnt @coldacid @p @jae It is IL yes, its a 15.5 afs il case (one out of like 5 people who have one atm)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwkQ2NYrnUl0US2N96 by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
       2025-08-02T04:13:06.609Z
       
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       @dcc@annihilation.social @hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info @phnt@fluffytail.org @coldacid@shitposter.world @p@fsebugoutzone.org @jae@darkdork.dev That's pretty rad sir.  Building one of those or tracking down a MAS is still on my wish list.It's been so long since i've played a legit arcade sf cab that my memory has become foggy.  Is there a square,circle, or octo gate on your setup?My feeling was arcade setups were generally circle around here.  But snk cabs were definitely not.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwkUwrNaWMiF0DwvUO by miscbrains@misc.brainsoap.net
       2025-08-02T05:08:06.305Z
       
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       @dcc@annihilation.social @hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info @phnt@fluffytail.org @coldacid@shitposter.world @p@fsebugoutzone.org @jae@darkdork.dev i've devolved in skills quite a bunch.  but fightcade becons for some fedi fun with old arcade games.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awlj7abcomvOgLU9wm by p
       2025-08-02T19:21:40.536970Z
       
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       @jae @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt > s/nobody/normiesThat's my point.  Someone sees you use a payphone, they get suspicious.  You get a funny look paying cash.  There's a difference between buying something lots of people are buying and buying something that only a half-dozen people have; it gets way harder to find, and purchasing becomes noteworthy.> remember when computing required skill?I remember when getting the goddamn thing from "pile of parts" to "booting" required arcane knowledge.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awlk8vvF9KyL2NrmEK by p
       2025-08-02T19:33:07.412764Z
       
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       @Nepiant @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt > or are you saying that people generally don't have those anymore either? That one.  Especially Macs, where the OS is locked down and Apple can remotely lock the entire device, it's like a big iPhone.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwlnLI7AlRlrCg1xDM by p
       2025-08-02T20:08:58.315813Z
       
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       @berkberkman @coldacid @hakui @jae @phnt That does look pretty fuckin' nice.  I probably should ask @fluffy, he's way into the Toughbooks.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwlnhztMgLKpLaOoAi by amerika
       2025-08-02T20:13:04.538596Z
       
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       @p @Nepiant @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt Macs are Nintendos with keyboards
       
 (DIR) Post #AwlpUk927PWceSXGpk by p
       2025-08-02T20:33:05.416881Z
       
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       @SilverDeth @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt >  Shop owners love cash sales. That shits not getting reported. :ancapshades: This is 90% of the reason I like to pay cash.wedontknowwhoisusinga100bill.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AwlpXYuYLCvMgE6g3k by p
       2025-08-02T20:33:35.984937Z
       
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       @SilverDeth @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt I mean, even if I pay with a card, I tip in cash.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwlppxsCGu0BJKmPIW by dcc@annihilation.social
       2025-08-02T20:36:55.039215Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @SilverDeth @lanodan @coldacid @hakui Thats always goodbitch_better_have_my_money.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AwltJla4q1fZjlCrfE by p
       2025-08-02T21:15:55.597983Z
       
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       @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt @sicp That's because strace tries to execve it, strace expects a binary.$ touch true$ chmod a+x true$ ./true$ echo $?0The reason that it works is clever:  if it's not a binary, it runs the shell, and the empty program exits with success because nothing failed.  (In $current_year Linux, it's a check for a registered format and if not then check for a #! and otherwise assume a shell script, but back in the day when /bin/true actually was just an empty file, Unix was probably just doing a hard-coded magic value or a "load it and see if we can parse it").`sh -c ''` is slower than `int main(){return 0;}` but not by much (since /bin/sh is already in memory and processes are cheap) and there is no chance that the speed of /bin/true is the bottleneck in a program that is doing anything interesting.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwlvVrqTZYV0Y7m6iG by p
       2025-08-02T21:40:31.416620Z
       
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       @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt @sicp > Unix was probably just doing a hard-coded magic value or a "load it and see if we can parse it").This doesn't appear to be explained in Lions Commentary!  It looks like it wouldn't be, though, because even back in v7 (the copy I have of v6 doesn't have true(1)), this was libc rather than the kernel.Per /usr/src/libc/gen/execvp.c, libc would try to run it as a shell script if it got ENOEXEC when it tried to execute the file directly.  libc/sys/execv.s then fiddles with the registers (looks like it's setting up the args) and does this:_execv:movr5,-(sp)movsp,r5mov4(r5),0fmov6(r5),0f+2mov_environ,0f+4sys0; 9fjmpcerror.data9:sys.exece; 0:..; ..; ..I can't read PDP assembly but it looks like "exece" is the syscall libc's using.  exece() is in /usr/sys/sys/sys1.c, with calls getxfile, which takes an inode as its first argument (quaint!), and it looks like it actually does just load and parse and then it checks for magic numbers to see which kind of executable it has and if it can't find the magic number or if the header fails some sanity checks, it gives ENOEXEC, which, way back up in libc makes it try to run the shell.I was going to attach a screenshot or the relevant .c files but the tarball for the entire disk is under 4MB.v7.tar.gz
       
 (DIR) Post #AwlvsJtRyHypuRs8bg by p
       2025-08-02T21:44:34.881227Z
       
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       @lanodan @SilverDeth @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > a lot of shops were like "no credit card under 15~20 bucks" because otherwise it would probably eat too much of their profits.Yep:  fixed fee plus percentage.  Credit card companies hated that; California tried to stop that practice, and for about a year, every 7-Eleven in the state had signs on the register about how to vote on that proposition.  Debit cards used a fixed fee, I believe.  The credit card companies did something a few years ago that enabled all of these stupid micro-transactions, I think they waive the flat fee under a certain percentage.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwlwuJUUXTjRC6iEbI by p
       2025-08-02T21:56:08.797644Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp > _start:> inc  eax ; 1 == exit(2) syscall id> int  0x80Is it assuming all of the registers are going to be zero so it can get 1 by incrementing eax and pass 0 by just not touching ebx?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwlxDh0xIqJTea8cRU by p
       2025-08-02T21:59:38.940891Z
       
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       @khayyam @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt @pwm THIS UNIRONICALLY
       
 (DIR) Post #Awm0sIa9LX8Rc5ebI0 by scathach@stereophonic.space
       2025-08-02T22:40:32.635904Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @SilverDeth @lanodan @coldacid @hakui Cash wins yet again
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmO0EREvzD21ZEpN2 by p
       2025-08-03T02:59:45.111356Z
       
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       @miscbrains @hakui @dcc @phnt @coldacid @jae It's not my stick, you'll have to ask dcc.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmOenU23aoOIWt4OO by p
       2025-08-03T03:07:04.985050Z
       
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       @amerika @Nepiant @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt You can hack a Nintendo.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmRprlAnUFEbosHOS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T03:42:40.875065Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui Well yeah but true(1) needs to be executable without already having a shell, like a typical use for it is to disable stuff in buildsystems and not all of those are spawning a shell.Although I guess smallest /bin/true could be done that way: echo '#!/bin/sh' > true && chmod a+x true
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmS7IUCgNywQEFUWW by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T03:45:49.441242Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui Yeah, which I think is a reasonable expectation.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmW2Y8NTZz3K221PU by p
       2025-08-03T04:29:48.646492Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp > Well yeah but true(1) needs to be executable without already having a shell, like a typical use for it is to disable stuff in buildsystems and not all of those are spawning a shell.The libc is what spawns the shell.  The build system shouldn't care.If the build system *does* rely on the implementation of /bin/true, that's no good.  If /bin/true is '' or '#!/bin/sh' or '#!/usr/bin/perl\n0;' or was hand-crafted in machine code, and this makes a difference to the build system, the build system is bad.> Although I guess smallest /bin/true could be done that way: echo '#!/bin/sh' > true && chmod a+x trueThe smallest one is still ''.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmWDMUt5A5kPriSW0 by p
       2025-08-03T04:31:45.894311Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp This is *really* non-portable, but since it's x86 Linux, if that's what x86 Linux does then it's a reasonable expectation.  The disposition of the registers varies widely.  I think it's more reasonable to expect newly allocated pages to be zero'd than it is to expect the registers to be zero.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmWSfmPfizQZ2DM5Q by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T04:34:30.434805Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui I think think any modern libc calls shell on ENOEXEC though, that bit moved to the shell. Which for example means:$ : >true && chmod a+x true$ env ./trueenv: error: Failed executing './true': Exec format error
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmWsZM2BU98AIDxwG by p
       2025-08-03T04:39:12.726927Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp It hasn't moved to the shell:  it's libc.  It's in POSIX, it's just there are a lot of different ways to do exec() and some of them call the shell and some don't.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmWucwxmq9BtbTkdE by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T04:39:33.594643Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui Yeah, to be fair I haven't checked the specs.I pretty much only write C anyway.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmWz56353PQLhqu6y by p
       2025-08-03T04:40:23.346217Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp > I pretty much only write C anyway.Lucky.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmXcLzWCU1I2aWZUm by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T04:47:27.797520Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui Well in POSIX:There are two distinct ways in which the contents of the process image file may cause the execution to fail, distinguished by the setting of errno to either [ENOEXEC] or [EINVAL] (see the ERRORS section). In the cases where the other members of the exec family of functions would fail and set errno to [ENOEXEC], the execlp() and execvp() functions shall execute a command interpreter and the environment of the executed command shall be as if the process invoked the sh utility using execl() as follows:execl(<shell path>, <name>, file, <args>, (char *)0);https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/functions/execvp.htmlAnd I know that at least oksh and mksh are handling ENOEXEC themselves.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmXsoDd1DNADiyF6G by p
       2025-08-03T04:50:27.632252Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp Looks like that's new:> [EINVAL]>    This error condition was added to POSIX.1-2024 to allow an implementation to detect executable files generated for different architectures, and indicate this situation to the application. Historical implementations of shells, execvp(), and execlp() that encounter an [ENOEXEC] error will execute a shell on the assumption that the file is a shell script. This will not produce the desired effect when the file is a valid executable for a different architecture. An implementation may now choose to avoid this problem by returning [EINVAL] when a valid executable for a different architecture is encountered. Some historical implementations return [EINVAL] to indicate that the path argument contains a character with the high order bit set. The standard developers chose to deviate from historical practice for the following reasons:>       1. The new utilization of [EINVAL] will provide some measure of utility to the user community.>       2. Historical use of [EINVAL] is not acceptable in an internationalized operating environment.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmYNp3rw5B9oKC6Mq by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T04:56:02.419539Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui Huh, I think they screwed up on a search&replace, it's from POSIX.1-2001 (aka Issue 6), the Change History section is more reliable.https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/execl.html
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmYqiNHsNtPTC3Omu by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T05:01:15.748431Z
       
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       @p @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp btw here's what it looked in SUSv2 from 1997 (prior to POSIX & SUS merge in a single spec): https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007908799/xsh/exec.html
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmZTGYxDJJyVTtSmu by p
       2025-08-03T05:08:15.255965Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp It seems like the 2001 one doesn't like the behavior but does mandate the behavior:> When the execlp() and execvp() functions encounter such a file, they assume the file to be a shell script and invoke a known command interpreter to interpret such files. This is now required by IEEE Std 1003.1-2001. These implementations of execvp() and execlp() only give the [ENOEXEC] error in the rare case of a problem with the command interpreter's executable file. Because of these implementations, the [ENOEXEC] error is not mentioned for execlp() or execvp(), although implementations can still give it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmaP7AAJtpE9KsoeO by p
       2025-08-03T05:18:42.526837Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp Looks like Plan 9 just replaces the entire execl/execlp/execle/execv/execvp/execvpe mess with just exec and execl, and formalizes the reasonable behavior that it has to start with #! if it's not "a valid binary image, as defined in the a.out(6) for the current machine architecture" or a script that "must begin with `#!' followed by the name of the program to interpret the file".
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmawcfADzjpOwMOpM by p
       2025-08-03T05:24:45.890994Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp V10 Unix kept almost exactly the same behavior, except that it stopped ignoring hyphens in $PATH:mushi% diff -c v7/usr/src/libc/gen/execvp.c v10/libc/gen/execvp.cv7/usr/src/libc/gen/execvp.c:6,12 - v10/libc/gen/execvp.c:6,12  #defineNULL0    staticchar shell[] ="/bin/sh";- char*execat(), *getenv();+ char*execat(), *getenv(), *strchr();  externerrno;    execlp(name, argv)v7/usr/src/libc/gen/execvp.c:28,34 - v10/libc/gen/execvp.c:28,34    if ((pathstr = getenv("PATH")) == NULL)  pathstr = ":/bin:/usr/bin";- cp = index(name, '/')? "": pathstr;+ cp = strchr(name, '/')? "": pathstr;    do {  cp = execat(cp, name, fname);v7/usr/src/libc/gen/execvp.c:72,78 - v10/libc/gen/execvp.c:72,78  register char *s;    s = si;- while (*s1 && *s1 != ':' && *s1 != '-')+ while (*s1 && *s1 != ':')  *s++ = *s1++;  if (si != s)  *s++ = '/';
       
 (DIR) Post #Awmb8MpytCxJnJ1JlA by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T05:26:51.768218Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui Yeah, it's a lot more reasonable to just have different ones for path/file (and fd with fexecve), I always end up having to open the manpage to know which do actually exists.Although requiring #! would mean that shellbang-less scripts (like empty true :) ) wouldn't work anymore, and POSIX can't require that (yet?) because /bin/sh isn't part of the standard (I so which it would be).In fact reminds me that Solaris 10 /bin/sh is horrible, so you're better off with it's POSIX sh that lives at some path like /usr/xpg4/bin/sh that you'd get as sh with configuring for a POSIX environment, allowing #!/usr/bin/env sh if you really want a shellbang.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmcAdHMpY5LJwTRZ2 by p
       2025-08-03T05:38:30.102229Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp > (and fd with fexecve),Oh, you don't need that in Plan 9, you just give the path "/fd/$number", so FD no longer needs to be special-cased anywhere.  Under the hood, opening one of those files is equivalent to `dup(fd, -1)` so it's actually less overhead than a regular call to open() and there's no need to special-case calls that normally take a path but sometimes an FD.> Although requiring #! would mean that shellbang-less scripts (like empty true :) ) wouldn't work anymore,Indeed.  I'm willing to make that sacrifice.> because /bin/sh isn't part of the standard (I so which it would be).I'm incredulous; you're certain that the Unix shell is not specified by POSIX?> In fact reminds me that Solaris 10 /bin/sh is horrible, so you're better off with it's POSIX sh that lives at some path like /usr/xpg4/bin/sh that you'd get as sh with configuring for a POSIX environment, allowing #!/usr/bin/env sh if you really want a shellbang.What's their /bin/sh do that bourne doesn't?  Last time I made any real use of Solaris, it was only recently named that and everyone still just called it "SunOS", and at the time I think it defaulted to tcsh as the interactive shell.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmcccO5jrN2fDxoQK by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T05:43:31.995792Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui  > I'm incredulous; you're certain that the Unix shell is not specified by POSIX?sh(1) is part of POSIX, but it can live anywhere, it doesn't have to be in /bin/sh> What's their /bin/sh do that bourne doesn't?IIRC it is a bourne, but it's an annoying one, like cd /var/empty/enoent || echo oops wouldn't print "oops" but exit the whole shell.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awmd4gtoYecilUBiRU by p
       2025-08-03T05:48:37.974586Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp > sh(1) is part of POSIX, but it can live anywhere, it doesn't have to be in /bin/shOh, okay, excellent.  This is what I was hoping you meant.> IIRC it is a bourne, but it's an annoying one, like cd /var/empty/enoent || echo oops wouldn't print "oops" but exit the whole shell.Oh, fuckin' weird.I listened to Bourne explain himself in a video.  It was actually pretty good; I had more respect for /bin/sh after he finished talking.  (On the slide mentioning ash/dash, he wrote "A return to sanity?", which made me laugh.)  At any rate, a lot of the things that I like the least about his shell make a little more sense in context (even if I still do not like them), and apparently being able to do redirects on entire loops or if/else, which I thought was a bash extension, was in there from the beginning.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmeOTVMAT9uy6kHqq by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T06:03:23.369281Z
       
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       @p @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp Also "/fd/$number" is pretty cool but it means dealing with string formatting&storage instead of just passing an integer, pretty sure you'd still want some special-cased calls where you pass an integer directly.But it does avoid having to make a ton of special-cased interfaces.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awmf774oOycgRLcAls by khayyam@rawrxd4mden7rmbobaftao3qjyxbrvj4rrooehkqxlqcsdtnnn2hndid.onion
       2025-08-03T06:11:30.201778Z
       
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       @p @gray @pwm @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui I wasn't joking either.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmgYoggSwALTB6RMW by p
       2025-08-03T06:27:41.550288Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp > Also "/fd/$number" is pretty cool but it means dealing with string formatting&storage instead of just passing an integer,Assuming it's not a path that has been passed into the program, it's better to put more work in a place where you need something weird; it's better than a large API, I think.Anyway,  in the rare case you actually need that, the overhead only needs to be paid once (and there's a guaranteed maximum of 15 bytes including the null, so you can just put a static buffer on the stack), and it eliminates a lot of complexity:  everything in the stack down to the bottom only has to care about paths.> pretty sure you'd still want some special-cased calls where you pass an integer directly.I can't think of a case where that would be something you actually want.  Like, you probably have the path already (you must have opened the file somewhere) but in cases where you don't (maybe you're exec()ing a socket :zerocool:), you can construct a path from an FD (either "/fd/%d" or fd2path(2)).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmgejorThlw6okeYq by p
       2025-08-03T06:28:45.763874Z
       
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       @khayyam @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt @pwm :teamup: That's why I omitted the "BUT" from the sentence.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awmgl6OyQilZsug3Y8 by khayyam@rawrxd4mden7rmbobaftao3qjyxbrvj4rrooehkqxlqcsdtnnn2hndid.onion
       2025-08-03T06:29:57.108714Z
       
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       @p @gray @pwm @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui I never read anything.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awmh8W9aqpDUPgeHAG by p
       2025-08-03T06:34:08.681641Z
       
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       @khayyam @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt @pwmi_can-t_read.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmiDWkQAauReppLHs by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T06:46:13.801981Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui Issue with prior paths instead of file-descriptors is you open yourself to race conditions.In fact would almost make more sense to go the other way around, have paths only for interfaces where you're explicitly dealing with directory entries (open, rename, unlink, link, …) and everything else (stat, chown, chmod, …) being fd-based.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmqAgCFNlIVj8zn28 by p
       2025-08-03T08:15:22.836463Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp > Issue with prior paths instead of file-descriptors is you open yourself to race conditions.Not really; the failure mode "someone fucks with the files while you're touching them" doesn't stop being a real failure mode.  The filesystem is external to your memory space:  sure, someone could move shit around on you.  Someone could also overwrite the file that you have the FD for.  Someone could write between reads().
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmsGMt8HapTUOtZ6u by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T08:38:47.682810Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui Well file contents you're always supposed to restrict access modes well enough to avoid problems there, and that goes even without races.Meanwhile renaming a file only means write permission in the directory, so you can move files that you do not own.Similarly there's quite few where you want the path to be non-predictable (cf. mktemp vs. mkstemp), to avoid it being created by an attacker.Although I think that one is mostly an issue due to setuid-root on executables which should have been thrown away decades ago.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmsT6dA2VSQpdUxtY by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T08:41:05.770508Z
       
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       @p @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp Also reminds me that I tried to put noexec on /tmp mount options few years ago and of course it broke some software and didn't feel like patching that at the time.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmuznfXl6qXUKKXtA by dcc@annihilation.social
       2025-08-03T09:09:25.609238Z
       
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       @khayyam @gray @pwm @phnt @p @lanodan @coldacid @hakui Amazing
       
 (DIR) Post #Awmv9s7S4HwMBaBe1Q by mint@ryona.agency
       2025-08-03T09:11:13.966331Z
       
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       @p @khayyam @gray @pwm @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakuiking's pact.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmxUJbtlaCP9EIuFE by p
       2025-08-03T09:37:21.851586Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp > Well file contents you're always supposed to restrict access modes well enough to avoid problems there, and that goes even without races.My point is that I don't think there's a credible thing to defend against by passing a pathname.  If someone malicious or stupid has write permissions to the directory where you're storing information that your program relies on the correctness of, it's already game over.> Similarly there's quite few where you want the path to be non-predictable (cf. mktemp vs. mkstemp), to avoid it being created by an attacker.This doesn't apply on Plan 9; namespaces are private to begin with, and tempfiles are either `bind -c $home/tmp /tmp` or per-session `ramfs`, network services have their own carefully constructed namespaces so that they can't get out.  Using a path instead of an FD is fine for tempfiles.  In fact, a *predictable* path is fine:  go ahead and #define it.It hardly applies on Linux, nowadays.  You still get compiler warnings about it if you compile old stuff but I think that kind of attack had been rendered nearly impossible before gcc started emitting warnings about it:  the attacker has to be able to create arbitrary paths and then exploit a race condition with a specially crafted payload in order to exploit some *other* but in the program that triggers when a file's contents are unexpected or it shits out privkeys to the file or whatever.  I don't think anyone's even attempted this kind of attack in a long time.> Although I think that one is mostly an issue due to setuid-root on executables which should have been thrown away decades ago. It's been deprecated in most Linux distros by having systemd just run everything as root and then giving users the option to escalate privileges on a whim (although you do have to look up which bug systemd refuses to fix this week, but systemd exploits may have a more stable API than the typical Linux library).
       
 (DIR) Post #Awmxq0dUzbeefgOfyK by p
       2025-08-03T09:41:17.104338Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp I think some distros make that the default nowadays; I can see that being the case for /run but I shove programs into /tmp a lot and I do builds in /tmp because it's slow to do builds on a spinny disk and I don't want to waste write cycles on an SSD, noexec breaks that in obvious ways if the build compiles any test programs or has any intermediate stages used to build subsequent stages.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwmyjM90j8V9IyWmvo by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-08-03T09:51:15.413946Z
       
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       @p @gray @sicp @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui >It's been deprecated in most Linux distros by having systemd just run everything as root and then giving users the option to escalate privileges on a whim (although you do have to look up which bug systemd refuses to fix this week, but systemd exploits may have a more stable API than the typical Linux library).Get your popcorn, we are waiting for the first systemd-run / run0 local privilege escalation and/or sandbox escape. Also starring your favorite Linux fluoride: polkit.Because to get rid of suid binaries for authorized privilege escalation, the only sensible solution is to use the sandboxing functionality of systemd and fork off a new supposedly isolated service and authenticate with a joke a of an authentication system.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn0bnCURtgioGg06S by amerika
       2025-08-03T10:12:19.849094Z
       
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       @p @Nepiant @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt Maybe they're just tamagotchi with keyboards?
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn1iYb1FJJDUpwHgm by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T10:24:44.030946Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui Well you can shove executables in /tmp fine with noexec, just not execute them which should also work if it's ./configure kind of tests as you're not supposed to execute those (if you do then good luck with cross-compiling ^^).Also reminds me of musl's ./configure script using -o /dev/null, which creates problem with tcc which proceeds to overwrite /dev/null as it does an unlink+open(O_CREATE) on destination for some weird reason. (Personally I blame tcc there)Mines just add ".bin" to the conftest source file (like configure.d/reallocarray.c → configure.d/reallocarray.c.bin so it's easy to find, identify where they come from and also delete).
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn2tgTgNlSp53NRjM by p
       2025-08-03T10:37:58.459832Z
       
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       @phnt @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @sicp > polkit.Dear god.> authenticateFrom the guys that brought you "every username that starts with a number gets to be root" and "that last thing isn't a bug, it's your fault" and "actually CVEs are useless" comes a new authentication mechanism.  I can't wait.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn37iEAfnzkYsoLL6 by p
       2025-08-03T10:40:30.574653Z
       
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       @amerika @Nepiant @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt This checks out:sad-mac.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn3MawM39AqIuZeDI by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-08-03T10:43:10.452326Z
       
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       @p @gray @amerika @lanodan @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant9front-mac-pc.mp4fuck-you-macintosh.jpg
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn3d3WRYA6jaDIs4m by p
       2025-08-03T10:46:10.452326Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp > just not execute themWell, gcc, right?  The compiler builds itself in stages.> Also reminds me of musl's ./configure script using -o /dev/null, which creates problem with tcc which proceeds to overwrite /dev/null as it does an unlink+open(O_CREATE) on destination for some weird reason. (Personally I blame tcc there):brandt:Anyway, yeah, I think it should be O_WRONLY|O_TRUNC usually; I wonder what they thought they were fixing by doing an unlink.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn3sLMHWBGRFDq8qu by p
       2025-08-03T10:48:56.226883Z
       
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       @phnt @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan THAT MAN HAS AN ENTIRE MONITOR DEDICATED TO WINAMPI WANNA PARTY WITH THAT GUY
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn3v4tRBxCd2zeVUm by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T10:49:24.489247Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @sicp @anotherposter @coldacid @hakui Well for gcc it could be built in another tmpfs, it's what I do here, /var/tmp/portage is usually* a tmpfs.*Some of my machines don't have that much ram and relying on a big enough swap just for tmpfs just feels wrong
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn4BFkEc6o3Ku3ou0 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T10:52:19.693304Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @amerika @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant Also if the phone with an antenna sticking out is a cellphone then it's probably the only thing which truly dates it.It could be a DECT phone though.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn553Y98p0ZjN11Qe by p
       2025-08-03T11:02:26.377860Z
       
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       @lanodan @anotherposter @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt @sicp > *Some of my machines don't have that much ram and relying on a big enough swap just for tmpfs just feels wrong Oh, yeah; I think everything I actively use (except R01 DevTerm; 1GB RAM) has enough RAM to build gcc, but I do have to special-case other packages.  (/etc/pkgmk.conf is just a shell script that gets sourced by the shell that does the build:  you can put anything in there.)I think I mentioned my horrible month-long adventure getting qt6 built on the DevTerm.  Even with the build moved out of /tmp and a bunch of USB disks plugged into the device to act as swap, the *linking* step would run out of memory (after three or four days of build time).  Perpetual horror.Anyway, I am not worried about any of the things the noexec option is designed to solve.  I'm in the habit of using /tmp as a temporary disk.  So I build things in there or -o the compiler's output there or extract a tarball there or I put a small temporary chroot in there and go there and then get rid of it when I'm done.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn6bORJ6puXjvneJU by phnt@fluffytail.org
       2025-08-03T11:19:28.723750Z
       
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       @p @gray @amerika @lanodan @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant He has a nice audio setup. Mixer, what looks like a per channel equalizer and a small hifi tower.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn9aC2g14LsraOlgu by light@noc.social
       2025-08-03T11:38:42Z
       
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       @coldacid @condretI mean, I wasn't around when the internet of your dreams was "promised" to you, but there is a non-panopticon internet in the form of various darknets, and tracker blockers exist.The fediverse is pretty free.The internet is only like that for those who don't know. So if they care about that and you care about them, then educate them.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awn9aCbluaQOcQonOS by light@noc.social
       2025-08-03T11:39:51Z
       
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       @coldacid @condret What is your definition of "free and open"?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwnB1TD0OoPjsSnfk0 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T12:08:59.451709Z
       
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       @phnt @gray @amerika @p @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant Yeah, I wish I would have an hardware EQ, my hifi amp allows to tweak bass/treble and balance but that's it.I know it's doable in software but audio software somehow always tends to be more of a pain than hardware.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwnEC61rDmAx2CLPOq by yaboisugoi
       2025-08-03T12:44:33.424903Z
       
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       @p @phnt @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan winamp remains goat, because the volume bar on qmmp and others doesnt work sadly
       
 (DIR) Post #AwnR26vaK6qaKXym2K by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T15:08:19.939502Z
       
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       @yaboisugoi @gray @phnt @amerika @p @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant Like others not having a logarithmic volume slider? (Due to how decibels works it's the correct way IIRC)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwnRRGaxW9GzYKKKTA by yaboisugoi
       2025-08-03T15:12:57.844301Z
       
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       @lanodan @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @p @phnt no i mean like moving it to min/max it doesnt change the volume at all
       
 (DIR) Post #AwnRUrW2hgqKvek3Ga by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T15:13:34.655052Z
       
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       @yaboisugoi @gray @phnt @amerika @p @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant Oh wow, luckily that never happened to me
       
 (DIR) Post #AwnS4lXmNusmpefs1I by yaboisugoi
       2025-08-03T15:20:06.157145Z
       
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       @lanodan @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @p @phntcries.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AwnXpL6uypaCES8aVk by amerika
       2025-08-03T16:24:32.691532Z
       
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       @yaboisugoi @p @Nepiant @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt foobar does OK
       
 (DIR) Post #Awna2OZ3eLrQcJeXYG by yaboisugoi
       2025-08-03T16:49:18.863676Z
       
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       @amerika @Nepiant @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @p @phnt i'll give that a try
       
 (DIR) Post #Awna7eh96Y2A5nwbQ0 by amerika
       2025-08-03T16:50:15.902482Z
       
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       @yaboisugoi @Nepiant @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @p @phnt I have really fond memories of WinAMP from back in the KCUF dayshttps://www.kcuf.com/
       
 (DIR) Post #Awntk9z37WNjGZOOA4 by StarProphet
       2025-08-03T20:30:07.154305Z
       
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       @p @SilverDeth @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt The mid 21st Century is going to be a bad time for bloated middle management ticks like Agustin Carstens.Luigi three bullets.jpeg
       
 (DIR) Post #AwnvGejMRI9Dqa75do by p
       2025-08-03T20:47:11.828092Z
       
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       @lanodan @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt Oh, no, that's definitely a cordless phone.  The cell phone is the little clamshell next to his wallet.> the only thing which truly dates it.That and that lamp that was uibiquitous in 2002 and disappeared not too long afterwards.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awnva7zNsh8w5ntQgq by p
       2025-08-03T20:50:42.970290Z
       
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       @lanodan @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt If you splurged (which, at the time, meant that you spent $150 on a phone instead of $100; "$2,000?  For a *phone*?!"), your flip-phone had two screens:  the regular screen, and then an additional LCD on the outside so that you didn't have to open the phone up just to check the time.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwnvbfFzg3sPYpOXGi by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T20:50:58.160463Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @amerika @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant True that said lamps are forever
       
 (DIR) Post #Awnviysz61EKSw7ZR2 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T20:52:17.505971Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @amerika @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant Yeah, family member has one of those, pretty cool stuff.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwnwFplI2YQPixBgkS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-03T20:58:13.798652Z
       
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       @p @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt Also reason it could be a cellphone is that late 90's ~ early 2000's had ones like that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_5110
       
 (DIR) Post #Awo7DuoNORbCInv21o by p
       2025-08-03T23:01:09.725050Z
       
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       @yaboisugoi @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt x11amp, which had to change its name to xmms, was a pretty competent clone; it was even compatible with the skins.  Unfortunately, xmms2 had "second system syndrome".  cmms is pretty good, I think I like it more than I did Winamp.As far as the volume controls, that shit all worked and was great for about ten years.  Sound has become fucked by PulseAudio and then they let the same guy write an init system.
       
 (DIR) Post #Awo7oN1zwzLcFVfp1k by mitchconner@clubcyberia.co
       2025-08-03T23:07:44.101104Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @amerika @yaboisugoi @lanodan @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant I never knew it used to be called x11amp, huh. I still use audacity sometimes. It's kind of bizarre how good the HTML version of Winamp is that they have on the official nullsoft skin website.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwoA7VbGW2KkEeQI1A by p
       2025-08-03T23:33:37.154961Z
       
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       @lanodan @yaboisugoi @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt > Oh wow, luckily that never happened to meThis is probably because you understand the audio stack reall well (I think I have your diagram around here somewhere).  I think volume control fuckups are one of those problems that goes away without you noticing once you understand the stack and then you don't perceive that there was a problem.  (I'm at the intermediate stage of that where if it doesn't work, I have to fiddle with shit and they changed the format of /etc/asound.conf and why is the default device *different* between reboots etc.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AwoBbuj9l1iWo9AzCa by Nepiant@varishangout.net
       2025-08-03T23:50:15.185030Z
       
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       @mint @gray @pwm @phnt @p @lanodan @coldacid @hakui that would be some pretty cool lore for the invention of reading/writing if it were real.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwoCS1JgVK96In6lZg by p
       2025-08-03T23:59:44.178669Z
       
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       @StarProphet @SilverDeth @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt I sincerely hope so.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwoD4EkX0cEsy4t9ou by p
       2025-08-04T00:06:38.575537Z
       
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       @lanodan @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt Oh, yeah, I'm aware, I was there.  (My first cell was one of those 5125s, because I was cheap; my friend got an Ericsson.)  This is why I recognized it as a cordless hand-unit immediately.  It's somewhat bigger than even the old cell phones, because it's supposed to be held rather than kept in a pocket, large rigid antenna that protrudes more than you'd want, very tiny display (enough for one line for the caller ID).
       
 (DIR) Post #AwoDT2k0nDfyxqTSXQ by p
       2025-08-04T00:11:07.567871Z
       
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       @mitchconner @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt @yaboisugoi > It's kind of bizarre how good the HTML version of Winamp isIt's surreal.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwoEX7HHy24A9BXs4e by mitchconner@clubcyberia.co
       2025-08-04T00:23:03.216409Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @amerika @yaboisugoi @lanodan @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant oh lawd someone wrapped it with electron https://desktop.webamp.org/
       
 (DIR) Post #AwoI1LkZ1Z5ta8LXvM by yaboisugoi
       2025-08-04T01:02:08.781110Z
       
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       @mitchconner @p @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt oh nice, they made a desktop version. the volume bar works, but the window glitches out with a multi-screen setup. it's almost like it makes a full screen invisible window (on one screen) and you can't drag the winamp window outside of it
       
 (DIR) Post #AwoW8KpwDWCQ8P5LRw by p
       2025-08-04T03:40:16.743131Z
       
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       @mitchconner @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt @yaboisugoi Tail wags the dog.
       
 (DIR) Post #AwocNFufPApGvsnLpQ by mitchconner@clubcyberia.co
       2025-08-04T04:50:11.628323Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @amerika @yaboisugoi @lanodan @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant BeOS had a good Winamp clone as well, this still works on the 32 bit version of Haiku. I remember @coolboymew went down a whole rabbit hole on feature complete winamp clones a whole back, what did you settle on again?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwocT3rF8fzdHVxhTM by coolboymew@shitposter.world
       2025-08-04T04:51:14.780563Z
       
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       @mitchconner @gray @phnt @amerika @p @yaboisugoi @lanodan @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant I settled for nothing :shrug:
       
 (DIR) Post #Awocbk9Fmu4OlAWgEq by Nepiant@varishangout.net
       2025-08-04T04:52:44.424296Z
       
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       @coolboymew @gray @mitchconner @phnt @amerika @p @yaboisugoi @lanodan @coldacid @hakui Yesterday you said "I don't believe anything" and now this. Are you some kind of god?
       
 (DIR) Post #AwojcYhOXbLrDdpbA8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-04T06:11:22.886861Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @amerika @yaboisugoi @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant Well it's more that either I have no audio, or it tends to works okay.And almost all the time no-audio happened pulseaudio was involved (the name must mean audio in pulse-mode), either on other people's machines using it, or on mine with stupid software failing due to it's absence, luckily apulse is a thing and pipewire I switched to few years ago provides pulseaudio API.Other times it was gstreamer stealing the alsa soundcard for itself instead of using dmix, so nothing else would play (Linux had one job).Hence why I used sndio in the past but of course that one has an hardcoded limit on clients and most code for it (including gstreamer) would sometimes fail to close their audio feed.So it's been pipewire, horrible to configure and complete bloatfest but at least it does the job and I don't need to go quixotic on multimedia software.Otherwise it tends to work okay, like only issue I got recently is mpv somehow failing to correctly handle playing stupid-high-samplerate files right after a 44.1~48kHz samplerate file.Will probably just throw something like ffmpeg at it to down-sample to CD/DVD quality, anything higher outside of audio-mastering is stupid shit anyway: https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
       
 (DIR) Post #AwrwGBwYLXoZ9SSxEm by StarProphet
       2025-08-05T19:17:09.804527Z
       
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       @p @SilverDeth @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @phnt The CBDC will work just as well as Soviet scrip. CBDC works exactly like Soviet scrip, which can only be used to purchase approved items. Making CBDC just as worthless as Soviet scrip."We pretend to work, as they pretend to pay us."
       
 (DIR) Post #AxCv5pKnX0ymV6SVBw by yaboisugoi
       2025-08-15T22:13:01.366477Z
       
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       @lanodan @p @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @phnt i'm reviving this thread! i was just messing around and i fixed qmmp's volume bar problem. I changed the output from alsa to pulseaudio and it just works 🤦‍♂️  i should have tried this years ago. It makes sense too, i remember i had to also change Cyberclunk 2077 to use pulseaudio in the wine configs because it was trying to use alsa by default and constantly made crackling noisesqmmp_plugins.png
       
 (DIR) Post #AxCvQCTJDXEw3F9dJ2 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
       2025-08-15T22:16:40.900692Z
       
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       @yaboisugoi @gray @phnt @amerika @p @coldacid @hakui @Nepiant Hah lol probably lacks actual volume processing, and alsa doesn't have per-app volume (unlike basically every other audio protocol…) so it can't offload it.
       
 (DIR) Post #AxCvidZBDc5RIRgxe4 by pernia@cum.salon
       2025-08-15T22:20:00.349301Z
       
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       @p @gray @phnt @lanodan @coldacid @hakui >pacman breaks itselfawesome
       
 (DIR) Post #AxCw4MWbG9O2oVqQ8O by yaboisugoi
       2025-08-15T22:23:57.784350Z
       
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       @lanodan @Nepiant @amerika @coldacid @gray @hakui @p @phnt i have no clue, i manage to blindly navigate these babylonian software structures only via sheer intuition and information obtained from mystical dreams
       
 (DIR) Post #AxKX6cDWwWzqTMa8a8 by amerika
       2025-08-19T14:21:56.113938Z
       
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       @yaboisugoi @lanodan @Nepiant @coldacid @gray @hakui @p @phnt How do you think they came up with them in the first place?
       
 (DIR) Post #AxKv0mj5M82oEC5tqq by yaboisugoi
       2025-08-19T18:49:48.122756Z
       
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       @amerika @Nepiant @coldacid @gray @hakui @lanodan @p @phnt coffee/thougts and prayers/dual wielding keyboards?