Post AwKhHv8bhGUI50yTEe by anemone@ebiverse.social
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(DIR) Post #AwKfOH4qq7W3x97Tii by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T18:02:38Z
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Kubernetes is the worst thing to happen to system administration since systemd
(DIR) Post #AwKfWTuqzOxS5XMBIu by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-07-20T18:04:05.413233Z
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@picofarad wasn't systemd great?
(DIR) Post #AwKfxK1Rsix9DrEwbY by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T18:08:59Z
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@mischievoustomato your question implies that systemd is no longer a thing.no it's awful
(DIR) Post #AwKgqHQPEyIR5s7U12 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-07-20T18:18:53.453316Z
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@picofarad system'd actually pretty good
(DIR) Post #AwKhHv8bhGUI50yTEe by anemone@ebiverse.social
2025-07-20T18:22:07.769Z
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @picofarad@noauthority.social so is kubernetes
(DIR) Post #AwKhHwH9SyutbnyoC0 by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T18:23:54Z
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@anemone @mischievoustomato everyone's allowed to be wrong
(DIR) Post #AwKhJqr2apjpNHg8W0 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.world
2025-07-20T18:24:15.608434Z
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@mischievoustomato @picofarad it's ok. It lowered the bar for people to write something intending to run as a daemon, but it adds a mess of complexity.Lowering the entry level bar for increased complexity on the backend and more advanced use cases is not necessarily improving anything though since most people who can't write a daemon will probably not write systemd services either.I do like the ability to run a service as a regular user, but again learning how to write code that can be daemonized properly makes that unnecessary.
(DIR) Post #AwKhKxlmMtWn6wkPOS by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-07-20T18:24:27.544508Z
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@anemone @picofarad kino
(DIR) Post #AwKhP9708jOfRlfVvk by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-07-20T18:25:11.734659Z
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@thatguyoverthere @picofarad i've written my own services for multiple things, from user level stuff to system level stuff, and I've also used timers and even tmpfiles.d. It's really nice
(DIR) Post #AwKhWj0X4xUKnoFz6G by anemone@ebiverse.social
2025-07-20T18:25:41.736Z
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@picofarad@noauthority.social @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love my instance runs on kubernetes and it just werks
(DIR) Post #AwKhWjkcJcLr6jomvo by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-07-20T18:26:33.152996Z
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@anemone @picofarad my stuff will run under nixos with the systemd support
(DIR) Post #AwKhZbUpSjUGNJnh2G by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2025-07-20T18:27:05.883977Z
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@anemone @picofarad @mischievoustomato Real niggaz use ProxMox
(DIR) Post #AwKha3Ppeu7wxvg68O by mycal@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T18:27:11Z
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@picofarad just started using it. For most things I like docker. But kubernetes seems like it will scale much better over many nodes where docker can be a pain. The reality is hard metal installs just suck, so anything is better than that.
(DIR) Post #AwKheTN95umgcwWozI by anemone@ebiverse.social
2025-07-20T18:27:38.257Z
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@verita84@poster.place @picofarad@noauthority.social @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love you use proxmox for the kubernetes nodes
(DIR) Post #AwKhewTsrwPCuEu716 by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2025-07-20T18:28:03.601710Z
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@anemone @picofarad @mischievoustomato we just found a real nigga
(DIR) Post #AwKhsCCxhvHtRnJClM by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T18:30:27Z
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@mycal heh, docker. we went from "it worked on my machine" to "it worked on my docker"
(DIR) Post #AwKiEfcJ2yFz1mscAC by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T18:34:31Z
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@verita84 @mischievoustomato @anemone yes
(DIR) Post #AwKiFFZ1Of1IW1cV2e by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.world
2025-07-20T18:34:38.166302Z
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@mischievoustomato @picofarad yeah but most don't. What I mean is, those who do write stuff to run under systemd could likely learn how to write a proper daemon that runs under sysv just fine, so the argument that it handles the complexity seems moot. As far as timers I see little benefit over cron jobs. Most of the time people discover quickly that timers only run while you are logged in without linger and turn that on almost immediately which defeats the whole point of tying systemd to a user session at all.It is relatively easy to use, but so was sysvinit. It was a solution to a problem that didn't exist.
(DIR) Post #AwKiKWBb1VZzW4AuQa by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2025-07-20T18:35:34.593095Z
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@picofarad @mischievoustomato @anemone Mein nigga. You need to update lol
(DIR) Post #AwKiTae3oWHLx5oZou by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-07-20T18:37:11.896009Z
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@thatguyoverthere @picofarad > As far as timers I see little benefit over cron jobs.i like when stuff is integrated or designed to work with one another, connected. More or less reliable.> What I mean is, those who do write stuff to run under systemd could likely learn how to write a proper daemon that runs under sysv just fine, so the argument that it handles the complexity seems moot.Yeah but often I don't have that luxury or simply don't want to do that, it's easier to just grab a program or set of things or whatever that I want to put in a service. The systemd plumbing is there so might as well use it
(DIR) Post #AwKiWIWldCGed7h7mC by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T18:37:42Z
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@verita84 @mischievoustomato @anemone distccd, huh?i used to do that too. Most recently was to bootstrap gentoo x86 on an eeePC "net" "book"at one point i had 6 dell 1950 1U servers backing my cluster, then i spun it on AWS instead so other people could use it.you use haproxy to distribute or just the config?
(DIR) Post #AwKiYdCDkyzNJOCGNk by anemone@ebiverse.social
2025-07-20T18:37:43.799Z
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@verita84@poster.place @picofarad@noauthority.social @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love theres a rough k8s autoscaler project for k8s on proxmox, might try it at some point
(DIR) Post #AwKk7OWWOujDtYpgOW by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.world
2025-07-20T18:55:37.852139Z
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@mischievoustomato @picofarad Yeah I mean I get it now that it's already replaced sysv in most distros entirely, but my point is more that while it seems to work fine, it's really no better than previous systems. I see no beenfit provided by "integration" of timers and services. these are different things. I've never heard anyone say that crond was unstable or anything. sure plenty of people have written shit cron jobs, but I'm sure they just write shit timers now.
(DIR) Post #AwKkDH0ZFv2qK9golM by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-07-20T18:56:39.990482Z
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@thatguyoverthere @picofarad it's a feeling. Stuff like init, timers, service management, etc all being developed as a singleish project makes it feel more reliable
(DIR) Post #AwKlUoGgwsrAM69ozQ by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.world
2025-07-20T19:11:04.027740Z
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@mischievoustomato @picofarad yeah I do get that, but that's more of a branding/marketing thing than an actual reality.
(DIR) Post #AwKlzCKk2TXHgEXero by professionalbigot69@poa.st
2025-07-20T19:16:29.428335Z
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@picofarad This is in screenshot form so it has to be true!
(DIR) Post #AwKm3c3sKCqmdGl3cO by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T19:17:21Z
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@professionalbigot69 it's a screenshot of words i typed on another service, but you're right
(DIR) Post #AwKmUNClfYiENGg5J2 by nugger@poa.st
2025-07-20T19:22:11.234531Z
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@picofarad SENTENCED TO TEN YEARS OF SCRUM FOR WRONGTHINK.
(DIR) Post #AwKme4jVCd05ypcDGi by sapphire@shortstacksran.ch
2025-07-20T19:23:55.393595Z
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@picofarad why, because you don’t get it?
(DIR) Post #AwKv9nqCLEPiUTO3k0 by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T20:59:18Z
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@sapphire yes i don't understand how to use eitherhow'd you know
(DIR) Post #AwKvB4G6mlUBhQ6qxN by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T20:59:33Z
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@nugger don't go chasing waterfalls
(DIR) Post #AwKvXRacir1kQhNJzs by sapphire@shortstacksran.ch
2025-07-20T21:03:34.228725Z
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@picofarad because the only people who complain about containerization are boomers who also complain about password requirements and 2FA
(DIR) Post #AwKvjXrvCeV7NXEj5M by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T21:05:46Z
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@sapphire only people who need containers are people that don't know how to admin machines. we moved away from time-sharing systems 45 years ago
(DIR) Post #AwKxRWSbtrcxhsvnPs by sapphire@shortstacksran.ch
2025-07-20T21:24:54.082350Z
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@picofarad I mean if all you’re doing is hosting a shitposting website in your garage sure, but some of us work in the industry and appreciate being able to auto scale for demand
(DIR) Post #AwKxdrcf2tDUoaW7n6 by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T21:27:09Z
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@sapphire only people who write bloated software need to "auto scale" for demand.I've done architecture design and implementation at *huge* companies, never used k8s or docker. VMs, yes. no containers except for trivialities that don't need "scale".write better software, you won't need to scale.
(DIR) Post #AwKyJoRxER7Z8aVniC by sapphire@shortstacksran.ch
2025-07-20T21:34:43.586724Z
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@picofarad “you don’t need to scale” lmfao you’ve never worked in this industry, don’t lie to me. >noauthorityNvm, retard containment instance. Lie to yourself all you want lil buddy whatever makes you feel better
(DIR) Post #AwKzl9L3m9mbhCt0TI by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-20T21:50:53Z
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@sapphire this is how containerds usually argue.
(DIR) Post #AwL6p4SGZhCFO24dhw by sapphire@shortstacksran.ch
2025-07-20T23:10:00.386092Z
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@picofarad listen buddy, leave the system architecture to the professionals. I don’t tell you how to flip your burgers
(DIR) Post #AwM94eThJmiwWKGDdQ by picofarad@noauthority.social
2025-07-21T11:09:58Z
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@sapphire you used the singular form of "system" i notice.