Post AwJiAzJ9hR8ZmZCrRI by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
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(DIR) Post #AwIRLEhzP2LK3zAC0m by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T15:09:15Z
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Apple and Google both provide support for offline speech-to-text using local models. Users can configure it to be fully offline.The Murena Voice to Text service in /e/OS sends the user's audio to OpenAI which is hidden away in their terms of service:https://community.e.foundation/t/voice-to-text-feature-using-open-ai/70509
(DIR) Post #AwIRLGTWplxpXiPfkW by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T16:14:59Z
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/e/OS is heavily marketed as private but in reality it has enormous privacy issues like this with their default apps and services. It's also heavily marketed as avoiding Google services but yet has privileged integration for Google services and connects to multiple by default.
(DIR) Post #AwISLsvlxPAmlTU2jI by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T16:17:36Z
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/e/OS doesn't keep up with basic privacy or security patches for the OS or browser engine used not only for the default browser but also the WebView used by many apps including email clients and far more for rendering web-based content. For more info see https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private.
(DIR) Post #AwISLtqqXCpJcUBcgq by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T16:23:25Z
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/e/OS is not a threat to mass surveillance but rather significantly helps with it by making exploiting devices to extract data or take remote control over them far easier. They do not keep up with basic High and Critical severity patches. All devices sold by Murena are insecure.
(DIR) Post #AwISLuS4IobJTvbLhw by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T16:25:20Z
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Even on Pixels, /e/OS is extremely far behind on providing the current High and Critical severity privacy and security patches due to being so far behind on OS updates. They mislead users by setting a fake security patch level and changing the UI to mask what's happening.
(DIR) Post #AwIlGCeBdafPJ0GJO4 by milkytwix@social.tchncs.de
2025-07-19T16:20:45Z
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@GrapheneOS Could you just stop talking about other OSes and focus on gOS please? This is waste of your time, Daniel.
(DIR) Post #AwIlGDuAxd3DCskawq by tuxicoman@social.jesuislibre.net
2025-07-19T19:58:52Z
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@milkytwix @GrapheneOS At some point companies bullshit should be made public. This is what #grapheneos is doing.I'm french, I used Mandrake. But when Gael makes advertisement for his /e/ projettelling it's not Android and other bullshit. I'm not happy. I loose trust.We had Qwant bullshit and /e/ is on the same road. They have to reach a critical mass to exist. I feel Tesla is their marketing model.
(DIR) Post #AwImtds8RvdczS9klE by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T20:17:15Z
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@tuxicoman @milkytwix > I feel Tesla is their marketing model.https://web-cdn.bsky.app/profile/gaelduval.bsky.social/post/3llgfyculnc2e
(DIR) Post #AwJiAv3PW2AMaZoELI by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T16:48:35Z
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Murena is a for-profit company and /e/OS is very clearly built and managed for the benefit of Murena. Despite this, /e/OS receives a huge amount of EU government funding. If you're an EU taxpayer, your money is being used to build this extraordinarily insecure and non-private OS.
(DIR) Post #AwJiAwPmSLecoFHbqi by s94@social.vivaldi.net
2025-07-19T17:23:31Z
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@GrapheneOS false !
(DIR) Post #AwJiAxXcGhW4IpxNhY by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T17:24:57Z
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@s94 /e/OS is receiving millions of dollars in EU government funding. /e/OS is built and managed for the benefit of Murena, a for-profit company. /e/OS has the same leadership as Murena. What about this do you think is false?
(DIR) Post #AwJiAyPV2McMzxAPgm by s94@social.vivaldi.net
2025-07-19T17:32:33Z
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@GrapheneOS Murena allows Ungoogled Android and open source to be democratized and accessible for everyone. It's maybe not perfect, but they have good intention and you can't disrespect them like that.
(DIR) Post #AwJiAzJ9hR8ZmZCrRI by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T17:34:47Z
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@s94 No, Murena is scamming people at a large scale for profit. They're pretending to provide a private OS which is in reality not at all private. We've explained how it lacks the most basic privacy and security. It even sends sensitive user data to OpenAI without informing users, which is far worse than how Apple and Google are handling speech-to-text from a privacy perspective.Contrary to their marketing, it gives extensive privileged access to Google services and always connects to them.
(DIR) Post #AwJiB04eqp8Q9tQnTs by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T17:36:40Z
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@s94 Murena do not have good intentions. They're a for-profit company selling people fake privacy products and services. What they care about is money. They've set things up in a way that they can get a bunch of government funding to build the product as if it's a non-profit in order to sell that from their for-profit company.What they're providing is much worse than people simply using an iPhone. It's worse than using stock Android on a device receiving monthly backports or OS updates...
(DIR) Post #AwJiB0mcDOISMDztzs by richarddebruin@mastodon.social
2025-07-19T18:02:08Z
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@GrapheneOS Euh ... Grapheneos you put put a shame on yourself reaction like this. There is /e/Os, calyxos, lineageos, etc. Everybody can choose for themself. Thuis looks a bit like the Linux distro war. Thatcher distro better, that distro gets money. Focus on yourself and stop creating posts like this. It will not bring you a step further and it is just negative energy.
(DIR) Post #AwJiB1QfoSL6MSjtR2 by s94@social.vivaldi.net
2025-07-19T17:24:54Z
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@GrapheneOS please consider murena with respect. But your rom is interesting too. /e/OS has Advanced Privacy, a unique app to manage app tracking.
(DIR) Post #AwJiB1cj5dyqxqNWDo by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T18:07:45Z
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@richarddebruin We're providing accurate information in response to /e/OS spending years spreading misinformation to mislead people about GrapheneOS. Other groups have done that too. This has caused substantial harm to our project and our team. In particular, the fabricated stories about our team and personal attacks such as baselessly claiming our founder is crazy and delusional have heavily contributed to harassment. The founder of /e/OS and Murena has directly participated in that too.
(DIR) Post #AwJiB2GQi1juwyxE6i by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T18:09:51Z
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@richarddebruin We've responded to GrapheneOS and our team being heavily lied about with accurate and verifiable information. Many people have been helped and steered away from using highly insecure and non-private products because of what we've posted. There are many responses saying so. What we posted improved privacy and security for people who are now going to make a better choice. Not everyone realizes that those operating systems reduce rather than improving privacy and security.
(DIR) Post #AwJiB2ooeBFGfd2ghk by defred@social.bim.land
2025-07-19T19:38:12Z
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@GrapheneOS @richarddebruin motherfucker your OS only run on google pixel devices and you're punching down those who supports fairphone and many others ? REALLY ? You élitist bitch, did you audit the SOCs on pixel devices? You'd better
(DIR) Post #AwJiB3L4iF38Hg8RzE by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T20:00:37Z
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@defred @richarddebruin /e/OS and Murena are scammers causing substantial harm to people through selling them extraordinarily insecure and non-private devices. It's a blatant grift for profit, not a serious attempt to provide people with better privacy or security. They do the opposite of that.We currently support every device meeting the very reasonable requirements listed at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices. The purpose of GrapheneOS is providing people with privacy, not scamming them like /e/OS.
(DIR) Post #AwJiB46Zrd2yf0MO1o by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T20:02:25Z
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@defred @richarddebruin We're not willing to have insecure devices unable to protect people's privacy and security in order to expand usage share of GrapheneOS and get more donations. Instead, we're working with an OEM to have their devices meeting our requirements. Broad device support is directly counter to providing privacy and security. Selling devices not being provided with basic privacy and security patches including end-of-life devices as a privacy product is blatantly scamming them.
(DIR) Post #AwJiB4wgjsjNGck0Fk by defred@social.bim.land
2025-07-19T20:48:33Z
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@GrapheneOS @richarddebruin yet you can't guarantee that either.
(DIR) Post #AwJiB5uFASMyFKbZ56 by imnobody@fe.disroot.org
2025-07-19T21:23:24.966834Z
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@defred @GrapheneOS @richarddebruin “lets be afraid about a backdoor in the Hardware of Pixels with no evidence supporting that claim other than FUD and prefer the phone with an open frontdoor, no roof and smashed windows”🙄😭
(DIR) Post #AwJiB72mwAnZm7bu2S by defred@social.bim.land
2025-07-19T21:51:45Z
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@imnobody @GrapheneOS @richarddebruin FUD ? google, just sayin', wait and see...
(DIR) Post #AwJiB7ufhptsTEow1g by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T22:48:07Z
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@defred @imnobody @richarddebruin /e/OS is streaming user's microphone audio to OpenAI without telling them when they use speech-to-text. Meanwhile, Apple and Google at least support doing it locally./e/OS is misleading users about the many missing privacy and security patches including setting a false Android security patch level and changing the user interface to downplay it. What's that if not having backdoors?/e/OS has repeatedly covered up their security weaknesses and vulnerabilities.
(DIR) Post #AwJiDYAp2bwkUlWx1c by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T21:01:52Z
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@defred @richarddebruin /e/OS does not provide basic Android and Chromium privacy/security patches without huge delays while misleading users about it. They outright fail to ship huge portions of the patches for many months or even years. They substantially roll back the standard privacy/security model and features too. They aren't doing the bare minimum to protect user privacy and security. They're streaming's people microphone audio to OpenAI without telling them beyond a Terms of Use...
(DIR) Post #AwJiQvZdLpN2pmVyIC by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T20:05:35Z
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@martin /e/OS and Murena are harming the overall space, not only GrapheneOS. They're contributing to apps banning every alternate OS since what they provide is truly extraordinarily insecure. They're harming app compatibility, not helping it. They're providing a justification for the Play Integrity API existing.> Without mentioning the fact that it will lead to more apps properly supporting security/privacy Android OSNo, the opposite. They have privileged Google services by default anyway.
(DIR) Post #AwJiQwsoU0J4tYUnpI by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T20:06:55Z
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@martin /e/OS has privileged microG by default. It creates no pressure to avoid using Google Play APIs since it always has them. The issues people need to work around to run their apps on it have little to do with supporting GrapheneOS. It doesn't push apps to fix memory corruption bugs. It doesn't push apps to allow other secure operating systems because it's an insecure one acting as one of the main examples of why apps are banning using alternate operating systems along side LineageOS.
(DIR) Post #AwJiQxcXjyt1BNtK6a by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T20:09:33Z
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@martin /e/OS and Murena do far more than "borderline lie" in their marketing as you claim. They very blatantly spread outright fabrications about what /e/OS provides and what GrapheneOS provides. They've help widely propagate harmful misconceptions not only about GrapheneOS but many other things. They've done this in order to build a business based around scamming people. You're trying very hard to spin what they're doing into a positive or even that it somehow helps us but it really doesn't.
(DIR) Post #AwJiQyE7UGwb3vTKfw by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T20:15:45Z
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@martin /e/OS is an anti-privacy OS. It is not a privacy OS. It brings people reduced privacy and security. People using it have been scammed and are worse off than if they hadn't been using it. They'd be far better off using iPhones. What /e/OS is doing results in alternate operating systems not being taken seriously by app developers and others. They're helping justify app developers using the Play Integrity API. They contribute to a misconception that all alternatives are similarly insecure.
(DIR) Post #AwJkxXUO7MgdbMjtCa by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T19:34:23Z
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@martin > Also believe that e/OS/ will help Graphene./e/OS are one of the main groups spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS. They mislead people into believing it's not usable or accessible to them. They mislead people into believing it's not a privacy project. They mislead people about app compatibility.> promised with some level of support from a local companyThere are multiple European companies selling phones with GrapheneOS with support including NitroKey.
(DIR) Post #AwJkxYOkjnm0QB6u3c by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T19:35:35Z
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@martin > Some of that new population will later look for a better alternative, GOS, these would be users you wouldn't have had otherwise.GrapheneOS would have more users and funding if /e/OS and other groups like them had not misled people about it with their substantial misinformation efforts. It would also have more users and funding if people were not being directed to use a scam with atrocious privacy and security instead.
(DIR) Post #AwJqs4NjVhA1bVOxLk by venisewurith@mastodon.social
2025-07-19T18:13:23Z
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@GrapheneOS so if one uses a mureana phone which is only used to call/text, not using internet or wifi, it's still insecure?
(DIR) Post #AwJqs6DWgcBVIQdpia by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T18:15:42Z
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@venisewurith Yes, it's still insecure. They've failed to ship High and Critical severity patches for the cellular radio and drivers across nearly all devices, even Pixels. Aside from that, carrier-based calls/texts lack decent privacy and security. You should use Signal or other options whenever possible and avoid carrier-based calls/texts. Google Messages has end-to-end encryption over RCS similar to iMessage between iOS users.Carriers calls/texts use the internet for 4G and above anyway.
(DIR) Post #AwJrCk7m1Q8WrFnJSa by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T17:33:03Z
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@purplerabbit If you care about sustainability, you should buy a used device. You don't need to buy a device with poor privacy, security and updates along with a partnership with a company blatantly scamming people to make a sustainable choice. People can buy a used iPhone or buy a used Pixel 8a for use with GrapheneOS. Both iPhones and Pixels use a lot of recycled materials and iPhones are particularly efficiently made in a way that minimizes environmental impact compared to a niche device.
(DIR) Post #AwJrE1YQhfOpCnsDTc by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T17:25:57Z
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@s94 /e/OS is an extraordinarily insecure and non-private OS. The feature you're talking about heavily misrepresents what it does and doesn't prevent app tracking as it claims. What they provide is a poor implementation of DNS-based filtering to block connections not required for apps to function. The vast majority of privacy invasive behavior is left intact. It's also trivial for apps to fully bypass it for anything they want to do, and many apps do bypass it already.
(DIR) Post #AwJrY9qJb3FIhfq7cW by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T16:55:42Z
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@javensbukan GrapheneOS has very reasonable hardware security and update requirements:https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devicesCurrently, Pixels are the only devices meeting the security and update requirements while providing proper support for using another OS.You cannot simply take any hardware, put another OS on it and have a private and secure device. Hardware, firmware and driver security matters a lot. Broad device support goes against privacy and security, which means it's an explicit non-goal.
(DIR) Post #AwJrYAWr2tH0pbk5vU by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T16:57:15Z
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@javensbukan We're working with a major Android OEM towards some of their future devices meeting our requirements and providing official GrapheneOS support. We won't take shortcuts and support their devices without our requirements being met. It's standard to claim that privacy and security are taken seriously but it's nearly always a lie. We actually deeply care about it and will not provide people with something not meeting reasonable standards. Therefore, we cannot support current non-Pixels.
(DIR) Post #AwJrYBJ49dq1F8Ib4a by jh@fe.disroot.org
2025-07-19T17:09:29.909923Z
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@GrapheneOS any odea when you are going to reveal who you are working with on a GOS phone?
(DIR) Post #AwJrYBXFIvBFx6vvAu by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T17:11:24Z
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@jh No, but the devices with support for GrapheneOS will hopefully be available in 2026 or 2027 as long as things go well.
(DIR) Post #AwJugePg7WBZh97coK by kleisli@mastodon.social
2025-07-19T15:47:33Z
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@GrapheneOS I'm not even intrested in explanations, when @murena claims to sell de-googled and pro-privacy phones, while sending data to OpenAI, how can the be trusted in anything else? I mean, at least use something else than fucking OpenAI!
(DIR) Post #AwJuges2Q4s376OH0y by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T15:50:39Z
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@kleisli /e/OS has privileged integration for Google services and uses multiple Google services by default. They don't keep up with basic privacy and security patches along with setting a fake Android security patch level and changing the user interface to downplay the severe lack of privacy and security. It's an extraordinarily insecure and non-private OS. /e/OS substantially reduces privacy and security. This is an example of a way it's significantly worse than just using the stock OS.
(DIR) Post #AwYD7uHljXHW840XRo by paeiro@mastodon.gal
2025-07-19T17:06:40Z
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@GrapheneOS what is your opinión about #MicroG for #lineageOs or other open source alternatives to Google apps.?
(DIR) Post #AwYD7vgcWckqTQdtp2 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-19T17:08:51Z
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@paeiro LineageOS is not a private or secure OS. microG is not a good implementation of providing compatibility with apps depending on Google Play and contrary to many people's misconceptions does not avoid using Google Play code as part of each app using it. We're building our own replacements for Google apps and services with a focus on privacy, security and providing fully comparable functionality and usability. We avoided microG because it doesn't meet our privacy and security standards.