Post Aw1fJ1F8JiybSL4uoK by futurebird@sauropods.win
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(DIR) Post #Aw1ecPpH2i3VFLfTLE by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-11T13:54:22Z
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The conspiracy theory is that "someone" seeded clouds to cause a flood in Texas. Most responses focus on how cloud seeding isn't powerful enough to do something like this, the absurdity of the gap between the existing technology and what the conspiracy theorist think. But can we back up and ask another question: Why?Why do the conspiracy theorist think that someone would do something like this? What is the motivation?
(DIR) Post #Aw1eo9T7gUtxzSu3t2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-11T13:56:32Z
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An act of terrorism that most people mistake for a natural disaster doesn't make the terrorists seem powerful or further their cause. And who exactly would they be anyway?Why target that region? Why not target someplace with more people or a military or political target?I know it's a mistake to expect coherence, but people latch on to myths because they explain the world in ways that are comforting and predictable. How does this even fit in?
(DIR) Post #Aw1epG6qTp52sM0kF6 by davep@infosec.exchange
2025-07-11T13:56:34Z
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@futurebird The motivation is purely in their heads to rationalise their disbelief in climate change.
(DIR) Post #Aw1eu4RjGqqs9Q4dAO by AnneOfGreenCables@noc.social
2025-07-11T13:57:32Z
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@futurebird I think it's part of a universe where they are part of an imagined holy army fighting against a generic evil, and the specifics don't matter. It allows people to imagine themselves as persecuted, which is license for them to defend against the enemy of the day, whoever that happens to be. This is kind of a cynical answer but I'm serious, I think it's a type of good/evil cosplay where people always get to be the hero.
(DIR) Post #Aw1ev0PbktcLvdWkue by Illuminatus@mstdn.social
2025-07-11T13:57:40Z
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@futurebird To make Trump look bad or somesuch shit. They are deranged fuckers that start from that conclusion and work backwards, because the complete incompetence and disregard for their own lives does not fit with their desperate search for a daddy that saves them from the evil commies.
(DIR) Post #Aw1ex1rxJBZ91kkex6 by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
2025-07-11T13:58:05Z
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@futurebird The motivation question is sound (and proves the conspiracy to be ridiculous) but are you sure that seeding techs aren't up to that task ?From the little I know, making already formed clouds rain is exactly what they're able to do.(about the motivation, it's quite simple actually, these people think that the world revolves around them, so if they feel bad or look bad for something, it means somebody probably did that to them)
(DIR) Post #Aw1fJ1F8JiybSL4uoK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-11T14:02:06Z
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@davep OK. But, why not just say it was a freak flood. Heck, I suspect that climate change is making these things happen more often, but I couldn't say "this was caused directly by climate change"It seems like less effort to just decide that it was a freak tragedy. I suppose the next part might be the problem? Because regardless to "prevent it from happening again" it means investing in science, building warning system and trusting the government. hm.
(DIR) Post #Aw1fdkLGLmP77SpSGe by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-11T14:05:51Z
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@lienrag Think about the scale.
(DIR) Post #Aw1fvdq7GT24AInFpI by riff@toot.aquilenet.fr
2025-07-11T14:08:59Z
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@futurebird I wonder if it has something to do with a certain vision of a "natural" order ? Climate change and natural disasters can be seen as breach in this order, as things that were "not meant to be", not "normal".But if the good natural, order of things is the "right way" things must be, if it's how things are spontaneously, then the only explanation may be that there is a malevolent will behind, someone who voluntarily try to disrupt the natural order ?
(DIR) Post #Aw1g6EcLNdOT7qP24e by ephemeral@mograph.social
2025-07-11T14:10:57Z
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@futurebird It's a good point. I feel thay 'Why' assumes there's enough time to digest the theory, but it's rammed down people's throats quickly and then moved on to the next thing just as quickly. The goal isn't that people accept the conspiracy, it's that they end up mired in the confusion, unable to tell what could even be true.
(DIR) Post #Aw1g7C903rZXkD8RfM by darkling@mstdn.social
2025-07-11T14:10:58Z
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@futurebird It's just about the abrogation of responsibility on their part, and the continued vilification of Them From There. It doesn't have to make sense -- we already know that the people it's aimed at wouldn't recognise a shipping container of sense if you dropped it on them (or don't care, because they like the idea of the two goals above).
(DIR) Post #Aw1gYjOGYp3MfsPEx6 by davep@infosec.exchange
2025-07-11T14:16:08Z
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@futurebird Maybe it's something that can be used to explain the sudden increase in "freak" floods generally. Your average MAGA will swallow all this BS anyway, they're not necessarily big on critical thinking.
(DIR) Post #Aw1gsipkLAE8jtnBIm by RogerBW@discordian.social
2025-07-11T14:19:43Z
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@futurebird Based on prior observation: Texas is supremely scary to Them because of its Freedom!, so has to be made to look bad so that others won't follow its example. Therefore it has to be struck by problems (floods, hard winters) which its Freedom!-based system is somehow uniquely unable to deal with.(When a different state gets a natural disaster, it's because of all the sodomy, of course.)
(DIR) Post #Aw1hd9AUlEshjfdOD2 by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-11T14:28:09Z
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@davep I don't know I wonder if it's maybe a case of "almost getting it"There is all of this discussion of how the owners of these richer than sin companies are externalizing problems that all of us will need to clean up. "they" have made the weather go haywire... just not in the dramatic targeted way that the conspiracy story imagines. And worse it's all been done to make some more money, to avoid cleaning up after ourselves.
(DIR) Post #Aw1iQax2FlsW5muvtg by graydon@canada.masto.host
2025-07-11T14:37:02Z
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@futurebird A conspiracy theory explains why things must be the way they are.Or, phrased differently, to explain why change is impossible.The incumbent goal is to prevent any change for the general benefit, because that requires decarbonization and their money and power rest on fossil carbon.The deals made to get that lack of change (~"re-create the antebellum confederacy") are at the point of taking over, so more focus on explicit enemies in the conspiracies.
(DIR) Post #Aw1j0WNGkP6iK3JpTM by falcennial@mastodon.social
2025-07-11T14:43:31Z
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@futurebird I'd caution against trying to understand their "reasoning" which does not exist and to stick to their motivations which do.bear in mind a lot of those people saying this type of shock-factor misinformation gain the following for saying it:1. community2. attention 3. agency 4. respect (of a kind) 5. distraction from their real problems 6. something to doall of which are otherwise missing from their lives. their isolation alone explains their mass behaviour.
(DIR) Post #Aw1jzExE84NBxZ5h5s by Sharksonaplane@mastodon.sandwich.net
2025-07-11T14:54:32Z
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@futurebird At this point, their definition of "comfort" is "agreeing with the current admin," they just need anything to latch onto so they don't get any pesky doubts about "maybe funding weather response is good 🤔". bc in addition to your points about motives, a robust weather response program could've also noticed "seeded clouds". If they really believed, they'd want MORE weather infrastructure. That they don't shows they have no intention of engaging in good faith.
(DIR) Post #Aw1kUAZ6UuidKAYVmK by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-11T15:00:08Z
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@Sharksonaplane If we could seed clouds like that we could do it to prevent flooding ... It'd save so much money. To weaken hurricanes and steer them away. I'm exasperated.
(DIR) Post #Aw1kd2Y3fogP4CIRVY by futurebird@sauropods.win
2025-07-11T15:01:45Z
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@Sharksonaplane Oh yeah they can control the weather, something that causes billions of dollars of impact on lives, crops, everything, but it's only ever used for ineffective psyops to "make Trump look bad" ... or something... and it's all secret, the thousands of people such an operation implies and not one of them has said a word about it. I'm sorry but it's WILD.
(DIR) Post #Aw1laEQV9dHuzWzEFk by Sharksonaplane@mastodon.sandwich.net
2025-07-11T15:12:26Z
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@futurebird It is wild, and to an extent the wildness is the point for the people who spread these theories to their followers. Then we have to run around trying to debunk this BS while they know their followers won't even wait a femtosecond to think it over before jumping onto the bandwagon. Frustrating and horrific.
(DIR) Post #Aw1mYnNqJVJgmfccvw by afeinman@wandering.shop
2025-07-11T15:23:19Z
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@futurebird that's the great thing about conspiracy theories; they're immune to logic.I presume if pressed, spouters would say something about evil bad people wanting people dead; fixating on the religiousness of the dead, probably blaming another religion.This in turn becomes "evidence" tha Those People are evil. It's like arguing with teflon.
(DIR) Post #Aw29JZvUMaBXeI4Yym by KanaMauna@sauropods.win
2025-07-11T19:37:58Z
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@futurebird Well, you see the problem is you’re not insane. If you were insane, this would make perfect sense.
(DIR) Post #Aw2EJb1QmwiiongDHk by scm@sfba.social
2025-07-11T20:34:21Z
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@futurebird I see a lot of good theories in the repliesMy personal one is that, see, “global warming” is a conspiracy to, I don’t know, take away cars and beef and all the stuff they like, because liberal want to force everyone to ride bikes and eat soy or whateverAnyway, since it’s not real, they engineer these fake storms to try and convince you climate change is real
(DIR) Post #Aw6bFbJMqVsk8RyOLw by suzannesscala@sfba.social
2025-07-13T23:10:07Z
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@futurebird this might be too empathetic an interpretation, but it’s too painful to imagine that such a thing could happen basically randomly. If it’s someone’s fault, then they can be stopped. It reminds me of the sandy hook conspiracy theories: the idea that actual children actually died was too painful to accept.