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(DIR) Post #AvsUffU6X7pOiP2TbM by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-07-07T03:50:34Z
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If you're still on X11, I want to know why, I don't want theoretical things you could do but don't actually care about. But the actual real reasons that X11 is keeping you on it. Why are you still an X11 user in 2025?
(DIR) Post #AvsUtATKdLXaaO7B6O by niku@sector25.de
2025-07-07T03:52:58Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Because I damn like XFCE, if the desktop gets complete Wayland support I would switch for sure^^
(DIR) Post #AvsUtuIcFWIkiTSGmm by bweller@mstdn.social
2025-07-07T03:53:08Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Because it works and I know where all the tools are? I'm sure they'll swap it out for Wayland at some point, but I'm not missing anything that makes me want to switch.source: gaming and daily driving linux for 20 odd years. my steam account is old enough to drink and works fine on linux.ubuntu mate, also, because... i use my computer for stuff. i dont actually want things to be flashy and in different places.
(DIR) Post #AvsVD29PHXdSZMGf5c by frd@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T03:56:30Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I've been on Wayland ever since Plasma 6.3 and haven't looked back. Although I only switch to X11 whenever using Blender (with Nvidia) due to glitches in the interface and system becoming slower for some reason.
(DIR) Post #AvsVEZRmyJmq7sbBQm by Distante@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T03:56:52Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Because @linuxmint hasn't switched to Wayland yet. Because on the Nvidia 550 driver, I couldn't log in to the OS when I tried the experimental Wayland and needed TimeShift
(DIR) Post #AvsXEpUJX5O9mf1ywy by frumble@chaos.social
2025-07-07T04:09:08Z
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@BrodieOnLinux With KDE #Plasma:1) I hate the unconfigure trackpad gestures so much! I have a custom config under X.Org with libinput-gestures. Better config is in development for Plasma at the moment. Please come fast.2) Cannot use xdotool for scripts under WL. Also no xbindkeys.3) I cannot bind several special keys on my keyboard due to current limits of the #Wayland session. E.g. the Num key.…
(DIR) Post #AvsXExooYkXZcYgT0y by frumble@chaos.social
2025-07-07T04:11:05Z
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@BrodieOnLinux …4) I really like my #Redshif config and cannot use it with the #Wayland session. The built-in replacement severely lacks features and behaves not how I expect it.5) The scaling is weird, I cannot set it so the exact same DPI like I have used with my 4K monitor in HiDPI for a decade under X.Org. Everything gets a bit bigger under WL.6) Why have my mice a whole different acceleration curve under WL?!…
(DIR) Post #AvsXF5VFzLeLSDaxdo by frumble@chaos.social
2025-07-07T04:17:16Z
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@BrodieOnLinux …7) I have a custom Atmolight behind my monitor, using boblight-x11 is superior, but I was able to recreate 90% of the config feeling with HyperHDR, still not the same. The screen recording experience for it also still is really bad. Also, so far no easy possibilty to start/stop it with a key binding like boblight under X.Org
(DIR) Post #AvsXKzKbqcbU3BQcrI by micdan5@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T04:11:09Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Cause it doesnt suck at gaming ;>
(DIR) Post #AvsXWgtQEAEUL6IAHA by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-07-07T04:21:01Z
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I have X configured just the way I like, with extensions and configurations to work with my screens, my TV, my VNC preferences, my scripts to switch between external and internal laptop displays, and last I tried Wayland, none of those configurations and scripts worked, and it was generally a step backward, while I was assured it was ready and great. now, there was no point in my wasting my time learning how to do something that I already knew how to do elsewhere, just because someone else expects me to get used to doing things their way, or to keep testing something whose primary interest was in rendering something I liked obsolete, and taking away the possibility of tunneling X through SSH and generally opening windows remotely; I've lived with that for decades, and taking that away is an unthinkable loss. the expectation and attitude that such loss, waste of time and imposing push for experimenting with software that is not even meant to bring me any advantage whatsoever to make up for the losses is just insulting and disrespectful, more so for someone who's neurodivergent (autistic traits such as cognitive rigidity, need for predictability, and fondness of regularity, plus pervasive desire for autonomy AKA pathological demand avoidance), but unfortunately they're all too common in the proprietary software scene. last thing we need in the free software scene is for the authoritarians and the clueless to import more of these horrible traits from their proprietary counterparts, or for people to get used to waste time learning how to get things back working the way they were before someone somewhere thought it was a great idea to push a breaking update onto them. https://blog.lx.oliva.nom.br/2020-03-15-new-dawn is about this not-quite-new social problem we're inheriting but should resist much harder.
(DIR) Post #AvsXkyZtGv3TF5y4q8 by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
2025-07-07T04:24:49.374786Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Because nobody can pressure me into choosing otherwise.Alternate answer: Because I like having a GUI.
(DIR) Post #AvsYYYmbS1jzihYdQu by srtk@infosec.exchange
2025-07-07T04:34:06Z
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@BrodieOnLinux mostly because "if it works, don't touch it". i have really good gaming performance (for my hardware) on my bspwm+arch setup. i am too lazy to find a bspwm alternative for wayland and then mimic my entire bspwm config/rice there. i have also put in a lot of time and efforts in configuring my rice and making it fast, lightweight and the way i want my os to be so im kinda attached to my rice.and finally, i feel too comfortable on my setup that i don't plan to switch unless i start facing some issues with x11 or bspwm.some of my friends recommended me a wm which is the closest alternative to bspwm (don't remember the name) on wayland and i might give it a try soon and see what the process is like for moving my config there. i want to test wayland out for sure, don't know when i am gonna switch though.
(DIR) Post #AvsZaR2TJXOgEfRDxA by leniwcowaty@fosstodon.org
2025-07-07T04:45:39Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I use Mint on my laptop, just because I absolutely, 100% KNOW that it will always work. No matter what, no matter when, no matter in what circumstances, it WILL work.And well, Cinnamon's Wayland is so experimental, that it doesn't even have a different keyboard languages, so I cannot use my native one
(DIR) Post #Avsa83Lftt2AbiRzDU by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2025-07-07T04:51:46.144569Z
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@lxo you against the future anon?
(DIR) Post #AvsaUkpQvJqvpSC7RQ by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-07-07T04:55:13Z
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I hate that hypothetical future in which people are trained to tolerate their master's forcing them into slaughterhouse lines, and even to complain that the line is moving too slowthat's why I support the FSF's drive to defy dystopia, and you all should, toohttps://www.fsf.org/
(DIR) Post #AvsaXyOkvbLkmdFdcu by APPTeOORuzvlGOetVY.verita84@poster.place
2025-07-07T04:56:27.175446Z
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@lxo You will use wayland, systemd, and GNOME and you will like it
(DIR) Post #Avsabuj4WWa6YIdJAW by lqlarry@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T04:57:04Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Not a fan of Gnome or KDE.
(DIR) Post #Avsamc2ULD3VmVofyq by KnightMustard@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T04:59:02Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Steam Remote Play doesn't stream Dolphin Emulator properly, at least out of the box. And Moonlight/Sunshine doesn't handle inputs as well out of the box as Steam Remote Play. My other machines use Wayland and the only other issue I seem to have is flickering with VRR. I think it might be from my fps dipping below my monitors supported VRR range.
(DIR) Post #AvsbgbWzPurSQFmXuy by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-07-07T05:08:22Z
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clearly you don't have a clue about PDAbut yeah, the problem is not the software, it's that attitudeI hate living in 1984
(DIR) Post #AvsblDRuNejVBJbWhk by evilcookies98@mastodon.stickbear.me
2025-07-07T05:09:55Z
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@BrodieOnLinux i’d say the number one answer you’ll get a accessibility. We can’t just jump ship like you can if something better immediately comes out. We have to wait until we know our screen readers aren’t going to explode in our faces.
(DIR) Post #AvsekXYwPhW18RGNsW by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-07-07T05:43:31Z
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@vv0ltz What tablet are you using? I know Wacom works quite well
(DIR) Post #Avsf7xVc6zbgGasEHQ by 4X6GP@mastodon.radio
2025-07-07T05:47:36Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I'm not using X11 anymore, but every time I can't autopaste from keepassxc I'm annoyed.
(DIR) Post #AvsfAQGg9nZQ2a3xk8 by hcj@fosstodon.org
2025-07-07T05:48:10Z
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@BrodieOnLinux It was the default one on Manjaro KDE, I'll probably change it when I have the time
(DIR) Post #AvsfMhkQzcXpjEpyHA by fandermir@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T05:50:22Z
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@BrodieOnLinux At my work laptop, I am on Ubuntu 22.04 with GNOME and it was set to X11 as default and I never changed it as it was working and I don't want to tinker with it.Exactly the same setup for my work station that I use at home for heavy processing.My main PC is wayland though. And there, I also use hyprland and Manjaro as there, I allow my self to tinker a little bit.
(DIR) Post #AvsglHpKbU28WuPgAq by Khardian@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T06:06:02Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Why would I not?
(DIR) Post #Avsjd5MRMrBvPfgGem by chke@fosstodon.org
2025-07-07T06:38:11Z
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@BrodieOnLinux keepassxc auto-type does not work
(DIR) Post #Avsjr5F0bszt5ysaa8 by chke@fosstodon.org
2025-07-07T06:40:44Z
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@BrodieOnLinux oh, and also the openbox clone (forgot the name) does not support a delay when you usw raise-on-hover
(DIR) Post #AvskhNBv7IrlpEMts0 by felipec@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T06:50:04Z
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@BrodieOnLinux because it works. Xfce, rlaunch, chromium and Steam work perfectly fine.
(DIR) Post #AvsnnrYDS9ftaGaDTc by ssimono@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T07:24:56Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I have found my love setup with KDE Plasma + i3 window manager. While Sway can replace i3 on Wayland, Plasma Wayland doesn't support custom window managers. I'll stick to it as long as possible
(DIR) Post #Avso0st1nYpNUVWjSK by schnur@mementomori.social
2025-07-07T07:26:47Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Using Xfce4/QubesOS. On my other system (KDE/Devuan) it just don't work's and I don't care enough to troubleshoot. Why should I care?
(DIR) Post #AvsoXgnhkp8XZ0gCY4 by jilotta@mastodon.ml
2025-07-07T07:33:13Z
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@BrodieOnLinux bugsKDE on Wayland takes twice more time to load and lags constantly on my computer (core i7, rx 580, 16 gb ram, nvme; the problem isn't in hardware)Same with Chromium, the app that I use the most on my system since I do webdev. Same with Firefox, which is even slower on Wayland and has trouble playing videos without tearing. Audio output lags sometimes, which isn't that often, but it's never happened on x11; and it doesn't recognize my HDMI audio output sometimesLMMS Nightly and MuseScore Studio crash way more on Hyprland and KDE Wayland, and combined with audio lag, that makes writing music a painI'm sure all those problems could be fixed with a bit of tinkering and bug reports, but i'm lazy, just like many other people. The most common reason for not switching from x11 is that it already works. It's the same reason why people don't switch to nvim, and the same reason why a very small amount of people is rewriting things in rust
(DIR) Post #AvspAOj4tBTQneyOXY by nicemicro@fosstodon.org
2025-07-07T07:40:13Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Lazyness and not wanting to uproot my whole system. I have #DWM running on #archLinux (btw) and have an irrational fear of things going wrong if I start using #wayland, especially because I'm running on nVidia. I however have a separate disk which is formatted to ext4 and has a barebones Arch installation on it which I plan to use as a test bed to install Wayland on... some time in the future.
(DIR) Post #AvsqYsH8mD8JLl8nQW by mms@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-07-07T07:55:46Z
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@BrodieOnLinux fvwm and a lot of other wms I'd like to try; wayland doesn't solve any of my problems
(DIR) Post #AvsrFP3rGoMrCCCvKa by shtrophic@chaos.social
2025-07-07T08:03:32Z
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@BrodieOnLinux there are a couple of opinions in a recent #openbsd mailing list thread about "the future of Xenocara" (which is the openbsd X11 implementation): https://marc.info/?t=174999227400001&r=1&w=2
(DIR) Post #Avss6qWnsb31jMEJuK by ammdias@masto.pt
2025-07-07T08:13:09Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Because I'm still on i3 over Ubuntu 22.04. It works and I have been lazy updating.
(DIR) Post #AvssXYo5sGqQaX3Vlg by Cnoceda@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T08:17:53Z
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@BrodieOnLinux it works fine. My configuración works. And I tried Wayland and after 30mins trying my config, I asked my self why to change. I didn't get an answer 😊
(DIR) Post #AvsvkzYi1SbZBVxJyq by copsewood@social.linux.pizza
2025-07-07T08:54:02Z
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@BrodieOnLinux For several years XFCE (previously Xubuntu, now Debian mostly) has given me better performance. I try other options occasionally, but haven't found them as fast. So I guess I'll change to Wayland when XFCE does. I used to do more SSH over X to run applications remotely displaying locally but don't need to do that now.
(DIR) Post #Avt17Bjpv5Hx6HZ1lY by pertho@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-07-07T09:54:04Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I use i3wm and very happy with it. Never used Wayland, never had a need to.
(DIR) Post #Avt4pVIcqwRsN8evui by mrmasterkeyboard@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T10:35:44Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I only use X11 on my desktop (running Gentoo). Screensharing among other things either doesn't work, is very unstable, or crashes the application.All my other machines use Wayland with no issues. I've tried to resolve this issue on Gentoo to no avail, sadly. No clue why it doesn't work. I would switch back to Wayland if I could fix it.The other reason being a desktop environment I was developing for X11; it's nowhere near done and I haven't worked on it in a while.
(DIR) Post #Avt7EcBAbwharDH1Jw by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-07-07T11:02:41Z
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@shtrophic That's actually really interesting, thanks for the link
(DIR) Post #Avt8hXjSK8XBPvfUsC by TomAoki@mastodon.bsd.cafe
2025-07-07T11:19:03Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Because I cannot make Japanese input methods working properly on Wayland with multiple trials. So Wayland is no-go for me.What I mandate Wayland to be the alternative for X11 is to make Japanese IM to be able to configured "system wide" like xim. Per-toolkit based configuration is acceptable, but per-app based configuration is not at all acceptable, as it means I need to configure every time I install any app.Backward-incompatible protocol is also not acceptable.Maybe I need to wait for "next for Wayland, well designed for CJK inputs as mandatory part of the specification".
(DIR) Post #AvtD5uTNpEdaiH1bpA by w@11n.org
2025-07-07T11:35:13Z
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why am I still using software that's under active development and had a release three weeks ago?
(DIR) Post #AvtD5w2rymcLacdSm8 by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-07-07T12:08:16Z
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@w Your browser?
(DIR) Post #AvtDroJU1vRNVdEdjU by Hawk1291@fosstodon.org
2025-07-07T12:16:59Z
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@BrodieOnLinux lack of a comparable replacement for simple screen recorder (which is already abandoned and has other issues) and keepassxc autotype feature. I have been dealing with the lack of autotype on Wayland, and if i need screen record, I just switch into x11 session and do what I need. But would love to see those two things come to Wayland.
(DIR) Post #AvtGCGLbi0dc9j6nRo by spacemanspiffy@social.librem.one
2025-07-07T12:42:59Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I use a an called Omnissa Horizon Client (formerly VMWare) to log in to my work PC remotely.This app works terribly on Wayland so I switch to X11 on workdays.
(DIR) Post #AvtIQvb7L2EQ3NU4ga by w@11n.org
2025-07-07T12:24:12Z
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@BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social my browser hasn't had a release in nearly a year. Xorg server had a release in June
(DIR) Post #AvtIQwNgQT50U0CrNw by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-07-07T13:08:10Z
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@w You shouldn't be using that browser
(DIR) Post #AvtJAkfyHFBdV8bZBI by Madic@chaos.social
2025-07-07T13:16:25Z
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@BrodieOnLinux On wayland since I think 2018, beginning with sway. Really dislike all the different places where X settings can be configured. Now on KDE Plasma since 5.24 or so, even with an Nvidia card. Everything works for me, gaming, screensharing, ...I even configure applications to use Wayland if they default to X. Many flatpaks do this because of e.g. missing permissions or configuration
(DIR) Post #AvtLSSnXgXjLAtifmi by eliasp@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T13:38:40Z
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@frumble there's ydotool [1] as an xdotool replacement.@BrodieOnLinux [1] https://github.com/ReimuNotMoe/ydotool
(DIR) Post #AvtLSTyDKLrQoHii3c by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-07-07T13:42:03Z
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@eliasp @frumble ydotool is good but there's a lot that it can't do
(DIR) Post #AvtMGqhX5X9Jmuvz8a by thedaemon@snac.9front.club
2025-07-07T13:31:23Z
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My window managers of choice only support X11. All of my applications work in X11. None of the current Wayland window managers really do it for me, they are all missing something or are not for me.
(DIR) Post #AvtONkjFtIudCW9xbc by boilingsteam@mastodon.cloud
2025-07-07T14:14:49Z
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@BrodieOnLinux There are many good reasons to still use X - it's way more flexible and ultimately a protocol that is much more simple than Wayland, and works across the network if you need it. Wayland's relationship with compositors is way more complex (and messy) at the end of the day
(DIR) Post #AvtOdhwa0uDXCF04BM by boilingsteam@mastodon.cloud
2025-07-07T14:17:43Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @w Netsurf had a release end of 2023 last. Are you saying it's not OK to use it? https://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/gtk/
(DIR) Post #AvtPHXHt3LIVjIxRg0 by edavies@functional.cafe
2025-07-07T14:24:53Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Because it's the default in Debian Stable, at least with XFCE.Also because I mostly don't care apart from regretting that Wayland doesn't work over SSH AFAIK, though I haven't looked into it much but have an inkling there's a way to make it work. Opening GUI windows over SSH is something I do nearly daily.
(DIR) Post #AvtQ26e1vbPmi0WOVU by ytvwld@chaos.social
2025-07-07T14:33:16Z
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@BrodieOnLinux session save / restore in Plasma doesn't work yet on Wayland (and even if this is going to be implemented in the next months: I'm on an Ubuntu LTS, so this is going to take some time to reach me)https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318
(DIR) Post #AvtSA5GD9rYcdnJPxw by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-07-07T14:57:10Z
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@boilingsteam @w correct you shouldn't be using it
(DIR) Post #AvtSS65WoriKQ7u9tQ by light@noc.social
2025-07-07T14:58:39Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I guess I just haven't gotten around to it yet / can't be bothered.Is it easy to switch now? Does it "just work"?If so, I will probably switch since it's supposed to be more secure, isn't it?
(DIR) Post #AvtTWJTZ5P3n3Piom8 by psyhackological@fosstodon.org
2025-07-07T15:12:22Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Nvidia driver is the main reason I find myself being on X11.
(DIR) Post #AvtToroa9ZBKlcOqC8 by OpenComputeDesign@linuxrocks.online
2025-07-07T15:15:41Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Fewer black screens, fewer driver issues, works better on ancient hardware.
(DIR) Post #AvtUBezQ0GQhePKwl6 by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2025-07-07T15:19:48Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Because i have no reason to invest the work and risk to change.
(DIR) Post #AvtVHpIggGrHJwr0Vc by PalePimp@poa.st
2025-07-07T15:32:05.978023Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Brodie, build an Active Directory server for centralized user authentication, and then try to build a Linux headless server for a dozen users with virtual remote desktops using XRDP+Xorg authenticating with AD.Then try the same with any wayland compositor, any of them.
(DIR) Post #AvtVdGRUxiZha8CJFo by PalePimp@poa.st
2025-07-07T15:36:04.707644Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Also stop with saying "do you use X11", in linux we do not use "the protocol" on its own we use an implementation, we use X.org saying do you use X11 is the same as saying "do you use HTML?" I don't fucking use HTML I use a browser called FirefoxWayland might be able to replace X11 but I can't replace the X.org server with any Wayland compositor like I can replace Chrome with Firefox or Brave.
(DIR) Post #AvtXkIyM9bzrMc3GMa by nicholas@aklp.club
2025-07-07T15:59:41.935921Z
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xrandr
(DIR) Post #AvtXmLGSbTLT3FUV4i by taylan@fedi.feministwiki.org
2025-07-07T13:55:30.888363Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I have different sets of weird bugs with both X11 and Wayland but X11 seems to be the less buggy one right now.I wish Wayland never existed. 16 years later it's still not better than X11, so what's the point. They should have tried to improve X instead.I've also used X11 forwarding in the past and may do so again at some point. It's supposed to be possible with Wayland but I already know how it works with X11 and you literally just need ssh.
(DIR) Post #AvtaHCGQJj3u1QJXTE by light@noc.social
2025-07-07T16:22:48Z
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@lxoHow is Wayland a "slaughterhouse line"? It's just a windowing system, it can't hurt you.@verita84
(DIR) Post #AvtaTo6BTRWQq7XP4y by light@noc.social
2025-07-07T16:24:26Z
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@verita84I'm pretty sure you're a a Nazi, so you don't have a leg to stand on on the "forcing people" accusation, lol
(DIR) Post #AvtaaLQOTvKdw56lJA by Turdicus@poa.st
2025-07-07T16:31:34.678607Z
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@Evil_Bender @verita84 @light I want to believe
(DIR) Post #AvtdzJmzzzJxxwHVVA by nach@detroitriotcity.com
2025-07-07T17:09:42.873648Z
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@BrodieOnLinux i like playing my games without microstutters, for once
(DIR) Post #AvteBxMAiLhW9ll9X6 by ElDeadKennedy@shitposter.world
2025-07-07T17:12:01.070502Z
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@nach @BrodieOnLinux if the slaves of globohomo are shilling it then it's bad, don't even need to try it
(DIR) Post #AvtetSVImkVxD5m1hY by nach@detroitriotcity.com
2025-07-07T17:19:52.544276Z
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@ElDeadKennedy @BrodieOnLinux imagine calling wayland an improvement when you can't even drag and drop files like in any reasonable window manager
(DIR) Post #AvtfTnoL2lR1iZ0XfU by AthanSpod@social.linux.pizza
2025-07-07T17:26:17Z
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@BrodieOnLinux fvwm3 would require a substantial rewrite to work on Wayland, as it necessarily has its hands in the guts of X11 protocol/code.I hate pretty much every other WM out there:1. Don't want tiling2. Want to be able to specify start position and size of windows. I put up with a few apps, like Firefox, that insist on taking care of this themselves.3. Ability to complete do without a default config if I so choose, I'll set it up (but I do base off of the default fvwm3 config currently).4. Multiple displays handled how *I* want -> one pager for virtual desktops on each, switching page in one doesn't affect the other display. But also, ability to drag/send windows between displays. fvwm3 has all of that.
(DIR) Post #AvtjeNte8HcALcn9k0 by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-07-07T18:11:39Z
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you think? it's already hurting me, as described in my initial response. sure, not like a slaughterhouse might, but the point of the slaughterhouse line is not so much the final destination, but the very real and palpable issue of being pushed to go to a place that's no good for you. don't get distracted from what really matters disputing a detail of no relevance.CC: @verita84@poster.place
(DIR) Post #AvtkF0jvByDxF6hxNQ by light@noc.social
2025-07-07T15:01:49Z
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@lxo He's being ironic and trollish. Ignore.
(DIR) Post #AvtkF1cVuztPyQFYTA by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-07-07T18:18:18Z
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most likely, but the attitude was a very realistic imitation
(DIR) Post #AvtkwVpVTYCa7R401I by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-07-07T18:26:10Z
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if the purpose of Wayland was to divide the community of users and of developers, and the efforts to develop and maintain windowing systems, it's working great, actually.BTW, a system's purpose is what it doesCC: @BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
(DIR) Post #Avtm4fHCKxS5giT1TU by martinlastname@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T18:40:00Z
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@BrodieOnLinux On KDE:1. I have a mediocre monitor that needs software gamma settings to look decent, and that’s a simple slider in KDE X11, not available on Wayland (though a workaround seems to exist, it’s not trivial).2. (not tested for a few months) Scrolling sometimes skips/ignores a physical click/step on my G502 mouse.
(DIR) Post #Avtm4jzenbOMJlIaKO by martinlastname@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T18:40:14Z
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@BrodieOnLinux 3. Haven’t had a reason to leave X11. Wayland doesn’t seem to offer anything to me as a user and X11’s only annoyance is middle click being weirdly tied to pasting text.
(DIR) Post #Avu65VWo43aMpLRmds by zmicier@vkl.world
2025-07-07T22:24:31Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Because X11 does everything I want it to do and I see no reason to switch.Also, I'm using eeePC from ~2010s as my personal computer (ofc not for work: for reading, pet projects, etc.). I have doubts it will be well supported by Wayland, and I don't have motivation to check.If I were to buy a new computer, I'd use Wayland. (But, honestly, I don't want to. I like the feeling of keeping the old eeePC alive. I feel like I'm doing my part to resist planned obsolescence.)
(DIR) Post #AvuFgBsF06EwAl2VtI by ScottE@mastodon.social
2025-07-08T00:11:59Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Because Omnissa Horizon Client barfs when I try and run it on Wayland, and it's unfortunately an integral part of my daily workflow.Would love a way to move to Wayland!#wayland #xorg
(DIR) Post #AvuHY7FSVwCZQ0B2O0 by w@11n.org
2025-07-07T14:01:03Z
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why not?
(DIR) Post #AvuHY883Exs29JidTk by w@11n.org
2025-07-07T16:13:54Z
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@w@11n.org @BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social I mostly use links2, not sure why you think I shouldn't
(DIR) Post #AvuHY8ctOIXZgy9GYC by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-07-08T00:32:53Z
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@w If you don't enable javascript that's a very different case from a normal browser
(DIR) Post #AvvNgROQIKWT5ygOIq by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2025-07-08T13:16:25.441678Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Since it actually tends to work and doesn't have added latency.
(DIR) Post #AvwadKIhhT5MnCoSAK by nyanide@lab.nyanide.com
2025-07-09T03:16:16.160688Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I use it on most of my hardware because it's just what I'm used to, except for one machine where I went FULL WOKE and am using the plasma wayland session because that just works out of the box compared to X11 which has weird issues with server acceleration.
(DIR) Post #Avx3QJqYyQkkI6nf9M by m0xEE@breloma.m0xee.net
2025-07-09T08:38:49.076877Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I keep using Xorg on a couple of old ThinkPads — so old they lack the full set of hardware acceleration capabilities for EGL. It's probably still possible to run Sway with LLVMpipe something, but why bother? 🤷I use Sway everywhere it's possible without jumping through extra hoops.
(DIR) Post #Avx3uvIqHFXP99cX68 by Joachim256@ioc.exchange
2025-07-09T08:44:20Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I use X.org on one of my devices because I was unable to get my 3-monitor setup working on Wayland – 2 of my monitors are plugged into my dedicated NVIDIA GPU, 1 to the integrated Intel GPU. It worked fine on Windows and works on X11.
(DIR) Post #AvzZbcuQ1jDLRixWDI by fix@mastodon.gamedev.place
2025-07-10T13:48:48Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Quite a bit of stuff I use, a lot of it for work, has broken Wayland support or works poorly through XWayland.
(DIR) Post #Aw0bq3fli8gtZa4kiW by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-07-11T01:46:52Z
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And on top of all that, it performs worse, and would add an impact like Spectre & Meltdown mitigations did. https://techrights.org/n/2025/07/10/Igor_Ljubuncic_Once_Again_Shows_That_for_Technical_Reasons_Wayl.shtmlIt seems that the right question is: why would anyone be using Wayland at this point, if not for being lured into it?CC: @BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
(DIR) Post #Aw0dV8UOo816L2uPmy by darkan15@mastodon.world
2025-07-10T22:52:08Z
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@BrodieOnLinux There are still some issues with screen capture, screen sharing, or remote management on Wayland.In some cases it seems to be Distro or DE specific, on others seems to be specific apps or their format (repo, flatpak, etc.).
(DIR) Post #Aw0q9m0KVfkpvQzJxI by novaTopFlex@mastodon.social
2025-07-10T19:19:26Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I resist Wayland because I need VNC for many of my YouTube videos. Most other applications do not function properly on Wayland, including Guake (terminal) and QGIS (geospatial).
(DIR) Post #Aw1B5ppMS4mvf4oxHc by m0xEE@nosh0b10.m0xee.net
2025-07-11T08:23:17Z
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@lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.brI was "lured into it" by the promise that it would fix screen tearing on scrolling pages in Firefox — and I was given precisely that! I was never a GNOME user and I'm very unlikely to ever use it and it's even less likely that I would ever use KDE because I hate Qt with passion since Trolltech days — I'm mentioning it because most benchmarks I've seen were performed in KDE environment, there might be some peculiarities there. I've switched from Xorg dwm-based setup to a similarly lightweight Sway-based one, like I said — to fix the screen tearing. It solved my problem and I never looked back. Now I use a similar setup on three different laptops, all of them have Intel integrated video — I know there are issues with Nvidia, and maybe the performance with ATI/AMD is subpar, but for me it works flawlessly. Sure, there are minor bugs here and there, but nothing big and nothing that can't be worked around.Worth noting that I use neither systemd, nor pulseaudio or pipewire — I'm not a fan of "bloated" software, I use Void Linux almost universally, so I have an option of avoiding them. To me those are redundant — they only add complexity, but solve no problem — but Wayland isn't, it did solve my problem!I don't think there is a conspiracy — I think there are lots of people like me, for whom it just works. And as it just works, they are less vocal about it.And I suspect that a lot of these people are users of lightweight wlroots-based tiling window managers, that is probably why features like precise window positioning do not get implemented, I can't be certain, but maybe a significant part of the community just doesn't care 🤷True, there are synthetic tests in which it can underperform — but that is what they are: synthetic tests! I never have to render 25 thousands of fishes in my real life workloads, 80% of software I use is TUI software and Sway renders Alacritty windows just fine — my battery life is excellent. Maybe the fact that there is no screen tearing and it having to wait for vertical synchronisation is what causes lower frame rates? I'm not sure, it's just a theory that would require profiling to confirm — I'm not sure I'm interested in doing it as I don't want to write an article about how great Wayland is, for me it works fine already 😁@BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
(DIR) Post #Aw1ByMdYgNHJ3YIlmq by lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br
2025-07-11T08:31:34Z
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I'm happy for you that Wayland was worth your time to learn how to configure it (if any custom configuration was needed) and that it solved problems for you.How does any of that justify pulling the rug from under me by removing X11 and imposing Wayland's known problems and overheads on me?CC: @BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
(DIR) Post #Aw1Ckgc3iSFWuUdsOm by Zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith
2025-07-11T08:42:03.976842Z
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@m0xEE @BrodieOnLinux @lxo >I don't think there is a conspiracyxlibre exists because there is a conspiracy.Anyway can echo tiling thing, hyprland very fun, I am not quite ready to swap to it as default on my PC but I'm getting close, and it has been much smoother than wrangling xfce was. (And xfce is far and away my favourite de currently.)
(DIR) Post #Aw1GcpSzJWmDrxuMs4 by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2025-07-11T09:25:34.596Z
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@BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social After 17 years of development, there's still no decent tiling WM for Wayland. Hyprland comes close to being acceptable, but its still a major step down from what X11 has to offer with AwesomeWM, HerbstluftWM, XMonad, and many more.Simple things like copy-on-select not working out of the box, no (rootless) alternative for xdotool, browsers not keeping the screen on when a video is playing, no good means to configure a multi-monitor setup, no way to specify a primary output... I guess Wayland is super secure, but what value does perfect security have if it means it can't do anything.
(DIR) Post #Aw25X35Irh1o1tpZyq by evgandr@mas.to
2025-07-11T18:56:00Z
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@BrodieOnLinux It just works for me near two decades without any problems. I used to use xscreensaver, setxkbmap (to change default keyboard settings), xrandr (to switch between display configuration), xrdb (for Xresources), xterm (for some tasks which I can't do in Emacs) and a little hack in .XCompose for years.Also I use "insecure" features provided by xclip, xdotool, etc to perform some automation (for Emacs).Migrating all my configuration to Wayland will be a nightmare#X11 #Xserver
(DIR) Post #Aw3JrrqxPYUjnGtz6m by rcgj_OxPhys@floss.social
2025-07-12T09:11:20Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I am sorely tempted by the lack of app control (or even influence) over windows placement, and a lack of an alternate mechanism, and the early state of session management. If I was less troubled about security, video playback and working to make things better in general, I may well have stayed on X11 a lot longer. This is with Gnomeshell, so maybe the story's better with other compositors (I'd imagine so with i3-alikes)
(DIR) Post #AwmOF6xj0p1xBJWn0i by frumble@chaos.social
2025-07-07T04:28:21Z
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@BrodieOnLinux …7) I have a custom Atmolight behind my monitor, using boblight-x11 is superior, but I was able to recreate 90% of the config feeling with HyperHDR, still not the same. The necessary screen recording experience for it is also still really bad and I conceptually dislike that it is 5x more resource-heavy than the screen color grabbing under X.Org.Also, so far no easy possibilty to start/stop it with a key binding like the boblight setup under X.Org…
(DIR) Post #AwmOF8BwRRzqzhBeoC by frumble@chaos.social
2025-07-07T04:37:08Z
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@BrodieOnLinux …8) Remote desktops are a nightmare! I’m using Nomachine on X.Org to help on family computers and it not only has a GUI lightyears from this KDE KCbr-Idontknow, it also is instantly fast instead of the second lag (!) on the same powerful machines with the native screen sharing, has clipboard sync AND IT WORKS EACH TIME!!! The native remote desktop in Plasma only works accidentally for me, even in the same session. It feels like alpha state software.
(DIR) Post #AwmOF8vfhQZnHWaB5U by frumble@chaos.social
2025-07-07T04:51:39Z
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@BrodieOnLinux9) I have several scripts for managing my monitor, AVR and TV outputs. The last time I looked into this, it seemed the Plasma WL session lacked in providing adequate CLI interfaces for a full feature migration.
(DIR) Post #AwmOF9lQazybs2nVlA by frumble@chaos.social
2025-08-03T01:48:38Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Brodie, you got over 70 replies on Mastodon and not even showed one of them in this video. Instead, you showed lots of comments on FaXistan, why are you even still on there man? You also didn’t link to any of the threads in the video description (you said you would do it in the video) and your Mastodon profile link on YT even directs to a long-moved-on-from instance.https://youtu.be/yURfsJDOw1E
(DIR) Post #AwmOFAlSsLbGyRp3SK by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-08-03T03:02:16Z
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@frumble What is FaXistan?
(DIR) Post #AwmOM0nELcwi4huS4e by BrodieOnLinux@mstdn.social
2025-08-03T03:03:39Z
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@frumble Also the threads are in the description, they were the entire time
(DIR) Post #Awo629vhG7G3lFAo2y by frumble@chaos.social
2025-08-03T22:47:45Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Yes, I found them, sorry about that, lots of URLs. Your Mastodon profile URL still links to your old instance though."FaXistan" is Elon’s Mecha Hitler platform. That’s why everyone on Mastodon isn’t there anymore. When you are still tweeting, you are basically talking to fascists at this point in time, especially the blue checkmarks. But with your enormous reach, you could just decide to not post in their realm.https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:muhesxre7yfcuqi5ss2fskjc/post/3lver3n5zb22s