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(DIR) Post #AvxbBqJtM1uh6OmrLM by stux@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T14:57:05Z
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(DIR) Post #AvxbPjDyX1lv9Ndn9s by WiteWulf@cyberplace.social
2025-07-09T14:59:34Z
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@stux
(DIR) Post #AvxbVPZmUqMnwwYB16 by stux@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T15:00:37Z
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@WiteWulf I like me grass! Also animals and such
(DIR) Post #AvxbWu7ePa7kyd6Wa8 by NaN@mastodon.green
2025-07-09T15:00:51Z
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@stux Also, roads, railways, other public infrastructure...
(DIR) Post #AvxbhRgIUmq5xBKukC by WiteWulf@cyberplace.social
2025-07-09T15:02:50Z
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@stux you can happily graze cattle under solar farms, we see it a lot around here (Leicestershire, UK).
(DIR) Post #AvxbztShwhiJKJmDOC by gelbphoenix@social.gelbphoenix.de
2025-07-09T15:06:08Z
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@stux Why not both? Fields that can't be used for argiculture and car parks.
(DIR) Post #AvxcGlM9Ktyz6skkO8 by darkpaw@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T15:09:14Z
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@stux There's some rudimentary info here on why it's actually a good idea: https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/green-science/agrivoltaics-solar-panels-agriculture.htmAlso, we can have solar panels on BOTH fields and car parks!
(DIR) Post #AvxcZCo01GPVSFZczA by isaackuo@spacey.space
2025-07-09T15:12:32Z
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@stux Both is better!But I understand that here in Louisiana, it's impossible. You see, if we covered our car parks then the cars we're forced to use wouldn't get steaming hot under the summer sun.Sorry, it's very important that we make everyone extremely miserable for no reason. It's extremely important that we don't provide any shade to parked cars here in hot miserable Louisiana.We also got rid of window awnings. That was very important also.
(DIR) Post #AvxcdTA79CxrLHx16m by bonafried@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T15:13:05Z
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@stux cover *everything*
(DIR) Post #Avxco7QwH4aD8atlxo by Zamfr@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T15:15:10Z
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@stux As panels are getting cheap, the support structure becomes a serious part of the cost (and even of the embedded energy). You need a lot more steel and foundations for such elevated panels.Not sure about now, but not too long ago parking lots were money-losing PR projects(look us being green), while the field ones were serious.Once we have enough PV to saturate summer peaks, every next panel produces less useful power. So lower cost is critical
(DIR) Post #AvxdZaPcLlCmcjulzk by mitu@mastodon.de
2025-07-09T15:23:50Z
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@stux i mean car people would like that too. They love parking in the shade, so the car doesnt warm up.
(DIR) Post #AvxdmhkeNG6F9P0Y9Q by kevinrns@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T15:26:13Z
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@stux Rooftop solar, on just HALF of the world's roofs, would produce MORE electricity than is used today from ALL sources. And would uplift all people, strengthen all people, and drive a permanent economic boom.Let every Neighbourhood become Saudi Arabia, but free.#climate
(DIR) Post #AvxeEKdntLSRaDylns by guigsy@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T15:31:12Z
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@stux meh. Fields of monoculture crops have very little biodiversity and certainly aren't natural. While wild grassland under solar is pretty good. And if the field was growing corn or similar for a biofuel, then the solar covered field will create about 6 times more energy in the same area. Alternatively, there are quite a lot of crops that do very well when partially shared. Yields of strawberry under PV is better than conventional practices.
(DIR) Post #AvxeW0J8EI97jUjjkG by Barbramon1@mas.to
2025-07-09T15:34:23Z
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@stux In California, where it's often quite dry, we are putting solar farms over some fields to conserve water. In some cases, crops are being planted alongside solar panels. There are many benefits from this dual use, and many applications.Of course we are a massive state "... the size of the Netherlands, Belgium, Slovenia, Switzerland, Austria, Luxembourg, Kosovo and Czech Republic combined.”I imagine that in smaller countries it would be unpleasant to see solar farms everywhere you look.
(DIR) Post #AvxecYMiW4Fh6BXKhU by Tuzzyjr@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T15:35:29Z
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@stux good idea
(DIR) Post #Avxem4qD8qPcQVsDaK by kevinrns@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T15:37:20Z
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@stux All the nations have transmission lines. Running across acres and acres, across manufacturing zones, beside residential areas, from.powrplabt to city to harbour.Put solar UNDER ALL THE LINES, mile after mile after mile.Put the solar cells at eight feet, feed goats on the brush beneath the solar arrays, and tomatoes.
(DIR) Post #Avxeq8leU8V1lLg8Su by gettingcomputey@beige.party
2025-07-09T15:37:58Z
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@stux We need them on more parking structures, I agree. There are too many plants that like that kind of light for the fields to be the ones complaining about this though.
(DIR) Post #AvxerliHAioMq7sMj2 by c_dan4th@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T15:38:19Z
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@stux Or honestly, cover both. And the roofs, and the highways, and...
(DIR) Post #AvxeyVxI9pBtzk7GAC by mzedp@mas.to
2025-07-09T15:39:31Z
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@stux Solar power plants are 100% compatible with farming and biodiversity. The ammount of area we will need to cover is a tiny fraction of the total used for farming, and they are not mutually exclusive. https://www.energy.gov/eere/solar/articles/buzzing-around-solar-pollinator-habitat-under-solar-arrayshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrivoltaics
(DIR) Post #AvxfDHDvDDAceHvxcO by gsuberland@chaos.social
2025-07-09T15:42:09Z
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@stux @WiteWulf I was reading recently that since solar fields don't have any specific requirements around grazing or nitrogen fixation, they've started planting wildflowers and brushes, which are massively beneficial for insect populations and downstream ecosystems like birds. they described grass fields as a graveyard by comparison.
(DIR) Post #AvxfLK2UcxWdhLQNaC by hydropsyche@ecoevo.social
2025-07-09T15:43:38Z
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@stux "In Georgia, sheep on a solar farm is not a baaad ideaWe're losing vital agricultural land. But is solar the main culprit?"https://grist.org/climate-energy/in-georgia-sheep-on-a-solar-farm-is-not-a-baaad-idea/
(DIR) Post #AvxfMbfYZ4iGfNJBwG by carlton@chaos.social
2025-07-09T15:43:52Z
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@stux also this though…https://www.axios.com/local/des-moines/2025/06/16/solar-farm-crops-iowa-state-agrivoltaics-solar
(DIR) Post #Avxfg9VB04Yj69m11k by bodhipaksa@mastodon.scot
2025-07-09T15:47:22Z
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@stux I'm probably not the only person to point this out, but fields that are shaded by solar panels have been shown to be more productive.Covering both is fine with me.
(DIR) Post #Avxfg9vlPDpIQcDFT6 by stux@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T15:47:19Z
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@M0YNG @WiteWulf If it;s helping... 💡 i am all for itBut let's also start covering car places to begin with
(DIR) Post #Avxfgb86HSjmmhBywi by BubblegumYeti@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T15:47:30Z
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@stux or don’t have car parks?
(DIR) Post #Avxfih07QFb3ZaSRYO by zbowling@sfba.social
2025-07-09T15:47:48Z
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@stux Galaxy brain: large enough parking lots for a solar farm shouldn’t exist in cities and we should abolish car dependence and build walabke cities to be green.Also infra for over solar covering car ports is 100x more expensive than some cheap panels in an field.
(DIR) Post #AvxfpxrB9RQDsSkAjY by stux@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T15:49:11Z
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I see a lot of: "why not both"And I am fully ageeing with that but the point of this is one more that we should start covering car lots first before we put up endless rows in fieldsBoth is a great option but start with the crappy one first I guess 😉
(DIR) Post #Avxfs3jCIEHUfM0dLE by GreenSkyOverMe@ohai.social
2025-07-09T15:49:34Z
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@stux Uhm cover both the fields and the car parks. Covering the fields is good for the plants (including the crops! higher yield!), insects and small animals on the fields.
(DIR) Post #Avxfy7NDeU75i4cOHo by tiredhorizon@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T15:50:36Z
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@stux Yes I would start with the urban areas! However there are agrovoltaic systems where spread out panels are elevated above certain crops. They protect fruit yields from excess sun leading to needing excessive watering according to studies. But yes the urban areas are seeeeriously missed. Did you know you can install them on walls and fencing. They cool better.
(DIR) Post #AvxgEXVwEHxvPuWjD6 by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2025-07-09T15:53:35Z
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@stux covering the open car park actually benefits motorists, it can discourage birds shitting on the cars which can wreck the clearcoat, provides shelter getting in/out of the car in rough weather, plus an obvious benefit when more and more people start to drive EVs
(DIR) Post #AvxgeS9UmtrgJfNzpw by tizmic14@mastodon.de
2025-07-09T15:58:19Z
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@stux I couldn't agree more! Housing and Parking spaces are, in some parts sadly, here to stay and therefore are prime for solar parks.May I recommend, in Italy I observed, at least along the motorway, that solar parks are very common above the parking slots on motorway service areas. So, make use of it! :ablobcatheartsqueeze:
(DIR) Post #AvxgkIt49DPXJpUV7o by darwinwoodka@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T15:59:22Z
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@stux Don't build car parks build TRAINS
(DIR) Post #Avxgplh4TOFC6nUCzg by bzdev@fosstodon.org
2025-07-09T16:00:20Z
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@stux Sometimes placing solar panels on farms actually helps. You may need less irrigation and the optimal amount of sunlight is different for various crops. This may, of course, depend on your climate: it is not "one size fits all."https://www.nrdc.org/stories/made-shade-promise-farming-solar-panels
(DIR) Post #AvxgzKLyygj2D7BEx6 by thesquirrelfish@sfba.social
2025-07-09T16:02:04Z
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@stux here in California we have giant fires going on where they just put in controversial grass field solar, which is another point for car parks/parking lots getting solar first. It's closer to where people are, requiring less transmission distance and less vulnerable to wildland cycles of fire & flood.
(DIR) Post #Avxh0cqDj6Rnq3wWBs by crazyeddie@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T16:02:08Z
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@stux Not green fields though. Down in Nevada there are huge fields of arrays. This probably helps the local wildlife that is probably struggling to adapt to the even hotter temperatures. I'm not a biologist though.And yeah, paved lots in the desert are furnaces. Shade is needed. Shit melts. There's no real reason why solar arrays can't be on top other than cost. Energy is already being adapted out in the desert and piped in so it's cheaper that way.
(DIR) Post #AvxhPZpK4TvhjGQ94K by stux@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T16:06:49Z
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@darwinwoodka That would be the best option!
(DIR) Post #Avxi1Uw0hzCbYodBOS by michal@toot.kottman.xyz
2025-07-09T16:13:40Z
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@stux Both work, "agrivoltaics" is the keyword to look for
(DIR) Post #Avxi5TZBjki4TYqwc4 by ApostateEnglishman@mastodon.world
2025-07-09T16:14:24Z
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@stux I like the idea of solar paving slabs durable enough to walk on and even cover roads.I'm surprised governments aren't scrambling to invest in these. Instead the UK wants nuclear power stations that'll cost magnitudes more, and take decades to build and integrate with the grid. Madness...
(DIR) Post #AvxiY9MZvp50DKcyo4 by UkeleleEric@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T16:19:31Z
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@stux Although there is something to be said for putting solar on already-used land if there is a requirement for power there, that car park is probably half the problem - people really need to think about alternative means of travel, and if they need to travel in the first place. Would much prefer it if every public building had solar panels on their rooves.
(DIR) Post #AvxiZg1bytktnoY4oa by spacebarbarian@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T16:19:51Z
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@stux Yeah, I think covering every human made structure on Earth with solar panels, where they can generate useful power, would be a good start.
(DIR) Post #AvxiaBoxlSeSPqsQXg by the_moep@mastodon.de
2025-07-09T16:19:54Z
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@stux I've actually read somewhere that covering fields with solar panels instead of mono-cultured farm land actually helps nature, especially animals that can use it to live under and find food (that would potentially not grow on farm land or be polluted with pesticides)Also seeing as we need to focus on getting rid of cars first I kinda feel like it's a waste of resources to try to make parking cars feel better by adding shadow. 👀Just get rid of the car parks, put down plants and the solar panels on top. Maybe even some nice parks and sitting areas under it.
(DIR) Post #Avxibk1i4ftCnBZxjs by mochi@retro.pizza
2025-07-09T16:20:07Z
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@stux How about getting rid of the cars entirely.
(DIR) Post #AvxjkATJjeAp584evI by Thumptastic3@mstdn.plus
2025-07-09T16:32:57Z
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@stux Yup! Carparks give off more heat.
(DIR) Post #Avxjlpz6sRo07Yk0HI by monkeyben@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-07-09T16:33:07Z
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@stuxWe wouldn't need as much electricity if capitalists stopped their fantasies of LLMs and external economic/population growth.
(DIR) Post #Avxjr33Bj5zM5k8Jyi by jadedtwin@corteximplant.com
2025-07-09T16:34:11Z
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@stux some crops benefit from the shade actually. Some farmers who aren't yet bought out by big corpos need the extra dosh from hosting solar to stay independent too. Why not just get rid of car parks entirely and make public transit freely accessible?
(DIR) Post #Avxjwsy47sz8YgWLFg by Gurre@mastodon.nu
2025-07-09T16:34:49Z
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@stux Start with all car parks, yes. And irrigation canals. And roofs that aren't usable as terraces or greenspaces.And! There's some crops & livestock that actually do well under raised solar panels! That should become normalized.
(DIR) Post #AvxkCjB8I2vOpaBdxI by sjaakkeuvelaar@mastodon.nl
2025-07-09T16:38:05Z
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@stux Don't make car parks like that. Create good public transport and cover your buildings.
(DIR) Post #AvxkU6cgNTteSuMLvE by antdude@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T16:41:16Z
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@stux and buldings
(DIR) Post #AvxkiYVDWEJQzDl2gK by csstrowbridge@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T16:43:52Z
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@stux Do both... WITH THE POWER OF AGRIVOLTAICS!!!!!! (Just imagine reverb there.)Solar panels actually improve the yields of raspberries and grapes, because those crops are sensitive to too much direct sunlight. I'm sure there are other crops that benefit, I just haven't seen any papers that talk about them.
(DIR) Post #AvxmaQcN9Kdw7mMCDw by qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T17:04:47Z
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@stux Generally agree, but also don't sleep on agrivoltatics for land that's already food-production oriented.Also, done properly, solar fields can actually help re-wild, which addresses ANOTHER of our major crises, the biodiversity crisis. Also also: let's just get rid of the effin' cars anyway.
(DIR) Post #AvxmkwoIJXaQrYwvKK by schmitzel76@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T17:06:43Z
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@stux cover the car park with solar panels, and use that power to charge EVs.
(DIR) Post #Avxn17SKV8ywVtO2qG by Alison@beige.party
2025-07-09T17:09:38Z
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@stux Like this also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZBlD-TCFE
(DIR) Post #AvxpLsPTpwUTq44zwW by mlanger@mastodon.world
2025-07-09T17:35:48Z
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@stux @michaelrowe01 I don't understand why this is not a thing. It's absurd to cover perfectly good land with solar panels when they can be used on the roofs of parking lots, office buildings, homes, and more.🙄
(DIR) Post #AvxpMT2NemzvR8YZZg by gimulnautti@mastodon.green
2025-07-09T17:35:53Z
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@stux Actually… There’s pretty good data PV’s actually improve the yield of some plants, legumes particularly. Some plants like partial shade!
(DIR) Post #AvxpgzW8bgbJxmGIYS by Pegasus06@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T17:39:36Z
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@stux Luv It!!!!
(DIR) Post #AvxpvPCBvrqRennzaC by fristi@56k.dile-up.nl
2025-07-09T17:42:17.163580Z
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@stux this, I'd very much like for my car to not become an oven in the summer
(DIR) Post #AvxpyF347F7Z3StBnE by trebach@functional.cafe
2025-07-09T17:42:44Z
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@stux @M0YNG @WiteWulf We can start with places like Arizona, where it gets so hot that the good parking lots are already covered to keep tires from melting in the summer
(DIR) Post #Avxq8clGo3XXUlW4Su by young_ullrich@norden.social
2025-07-09T17:44:37Z
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@stux regarding drought there is more than enough evidence for positive effects of agri pv. you gotta think bigger.
(DIR) Post #AvxrFaVVgZeqU91rYe by dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-07-09T17:57:04Z
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@stux Depending how hot, sunny, and dry the location is, the shade provided by solar panels can *increase* crop yields in the fields where they're installed.
(DIR) Post #AvxreYX8A4kTbRh104 by condret@shitposter.world
2025-07-09T18:01:41.936030Z
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@stux cover both
(DIR) Post #AvxsY7McMeIXYSGlOq by dragonfrog@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-07-09T18:11:31Z
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@stux You've seen drivers right? And what they do to the bollards and barriers in parking lots? If I'm the power company, I'm not putting expensive generating infrastructure where people are going to be constantly parking their cars right next to the pillars holding it up.
(DIR) Post #AvxsxJ6fqFepDKp5PM by paulc@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T18:16:12Z
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@stux Solar panels actually benefit many crops by providing shade. I'm sure it works poorly for wheat and corn and other grains.Covering car parks is an excellent idea.
(DIR) Post #AvxtOA2JfmUAtyacHA by Dawg065@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T18:20:29Z
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@stux 😅
(DIR) Post #Avxu8kz0ddQwoKGGiO by HistoPol@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T18:29:25Z
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@stux You are on the wrong track, Stux.#AgriVoltaics*Both* make a lot of sense, climate permitting OFC:https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/109966823402403119
(DIR) Post #AvxuAlqqNgAu5CP0qG by bleistifterin@fnordon.de
2025-07-09T18:29:45Z
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@stux do both
(DIR) Post #Avxvodks0CFkVgBQPY by TranshumanBlues@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T18:48:15Z
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@stux At the risk of being contrarian to the admin of my instance (😬):Intelligent use of solar panels *can* actually enhance the productivity of agricultural land. Turns out a lot of plants and animals evolved in environments that are occasionally shaded. Who knew? 🤷♀️ And car parks large enough to support a solar farm shouldn't exist to begin with. Put housing and mixed-use buildings there with panels on the roof, instead of panels over an endless plane of tarmac.
(DIR) Post #AvxwIJEuqHzLZPNt3o by tomw@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T18:53:34Z
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@stux The problem is that this idea will be used to oppose all solar installations in fields until, what, every car park in the world has one?
(DIR) Post #AvxwVpv4eNdUgpYO7E by irina@wandering.shop
2025-07-09T18:56:02Z
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@stux Or put the solar panels on higher stilts and plant raspberries or grapes under them. Or let sheep graze and enjoy the shade.
(DIR) Post #AvxwkY7L7XLFoyJ3qq by clickingmouse@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T18:58:42Z
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@stux Taken out of context, that's misleading!!! You can produce electricity in agro-photovoltaic fields without decreasing crop yields. And having too much car infrastructure is bad, best to get rid of most cars and parking lots and keep only public transit.
(DIR) Post #AvxwzgUUGrCW8OLn9s by JHein@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T19:01:26Z
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@stux I think after parking lots, we could cover parts of highways with solar panels too.
(DIR) Post #AvxxwZKSXdXX0Yjpui by ScottMathieu@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T19:12:05Z
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@stux Great Idea !
(DIR) Post #Avy1U3niZIZyvx5Lma by kDelta@mastodon.ie
2025-07-09T19:51:45Z
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@stux Drivers are idiots who can’t drive. Keep expensive stuff away from them.
(DIR) Post #Avy2xa4DmZAjMEReFs by pBaesse@bolha.one
2025-07-09T20:08:15Z
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@stux they do it in the carparks where I work :blobBone_bounce:
(DIR) Post #Avy3LMTLyj6I91XX4S by clot27@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T20:12:34Z
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@stux nuclear
(DIR) Post #Avy3VYFj2DirZm1ZZY by leeolds@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T20:14:23Z
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@stux @mwyman Covering fields allows farmers to grow shade plants like greens while reducing water consumption. It's a good idea in many ways. (There's nothing wrong with covering car parks also.)_
(DIR) Post #Avy3wxCyMI2KnEnrf6 by leeolds@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T20:19:23Z
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@stux Both are net positive, so just start somewhere.
(DIR) Post #Avy4LVpDJ0yJ6aOtZg by audrinabell@mstdn.social
2025-07-09T20:23:49Z
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@stux YES!
(DIR) Post #Avy4fG93JU7WGZ61Qm by andygates@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T20:27:17Z
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@stux Why not?
(DIR) Post #Avy4ocpeKgotEdUELo by AngelaScholder@mastodon.energy
2025-07-09T20:29:05Z
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@stux Certainly in favour, but it's a more expensive construction which might well make it financially unviable.
(DIR) Post #Avy5VwFM1dlFttAAgi by jeffbronks@c.im
2025-07-09T20:36:55Z
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@stux I agree that car parks are uglier and should be done first, but then consider the maths. The area covered by car parks is less than 1% of that used by agriculture (in the UK at least - ONS figures for agri, DVLA and back of envelope for car parks). Car parks alone will not be enough.
(DIR) Post #Avy9oZ4GpMKHKc7EzQ by coolandnormal@aus.social
2025-07-09T21:25:03Z
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@stux the important thing about rural areas, in comparison to urban car storage facilities, is rural areas are larger.
(DIR) Post #AvyCJbT69VT5f5enAW by Der_zuversichtliche_Daniel@troet.cafe
2025-07-09T21:52:48Z
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@stux Tu beides!
(DIR) Post #AvyD8B9hk5JMp4haKG by wbpeckham@techhub.social
2025-07-09T22:02:15Z
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@stux Actually, there have been experiments with elevated solar panels over the fields and some crops grow better with partial sun than with full sun full time. It also shields the crop from some things, including helping to shield the crop from extreme wind events and some kinds of bird damage. I would rather see the solar panels on buildings and car parks and bridges and protecting rivers from excessive operation, but that doesn't mean you can't use them over your fields as well when there's an advantage in that.
(DIR) Post #AvyDF55EiU3019u3ma by Sassinake@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T22:03:27Z
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@stux but but but. that blocks the view of surveillance drones!
(DIR) Post #AvyDor3ULmXuw28yzg by CargobikeDad@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T22:09:58Z
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@stux it’s water preservation
(DIR) Post #AvyDwxbXss4HZ1wGm0 by wesley@theatl.social
2025-07-09T22:11:21Z
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@stux Honestly the even better version of this is converting those parking lots into infill housing and mixed use development
(DIR) Post #AvyFDQQmZl9lYTJrvc by peterbrown@mastodon.scot
2025-07-09T22:25:37Z
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@stux of course it should be both. And there’s no reason on earth why it should not be. It’s a win-win because both the agriculture and the solar panels perform better when combined.https://news.arizona.edu/news/agrivoltaics-proves-mutually-beneficial-across-food-water-energy-nexus
(DIR) Post #AvyGMSwchRPDuY5TzE by jsbarretto@social.coop
2025-07-09T22:38:25Z
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@stux We can't usefully force a canonical ordering of these things across society, so saying "do all X before any Y" effectively turns into "never do Y". It gets used a lot as a justification for nimby antics that are holding back net zero policies.
(DIR) Post #AvyGmkzUE8DJPRxmka by plausibel@mastodon.world
2025-07-09T22:43:09Z
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@stux i say abolish car parks and cover our houses with pv!
(DIR) Post #AvyIo88RrSxlOAwCNk by satizakito@mastodon.social
2025-07-09T23:05:51Z
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@stux great idea.
(DIR) Post #AvyPUmYYZB5gdks3F2 by Edelruth@mastodon.online
2025-07-10T00:20:47Z
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@stux Yes, but.But there are well documented benefits to adding solar panels to fields that have crops in them.So, both.
(DIR) Post #AvyPnJRt0nTFrnaRrk by quoll@mastodon.sdf.org
2025-07-10T00:24:07Z
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@stux cool story on running livestock under solar panels:https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/programs/landline/2025-06-08/solar-livestock:-running-livestock-in-solar/105391580
(DIR) Post #AvyVi3ZtBwOUvACuAK by VincentHao@mastodon.social
2025-07-10T01:30:24Z
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@stux why not just cover entire country??😂😂
(DIR) Post #AvybsqnzcSPQDaKmcC by nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social
2025-07-10T02:39:37Z
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@stux I think it's that normal defeatism trap that so many people fall into. They get into a thought process of "if you can't fix everything, then you shouldn't do anything." Like the people who say "we should never go into space until we fix things here on Earth first." We'll never fix things on Earth, but we sure as heck should go to space for too many reasons to name in an aside.I do think there is an issue of ownership though. Since the car parks are generally owned by someone else, they'd probably claim the electricity as their own. Darn though, it actually has a double benefit of providing shade...
(DIR) Post #AvyztY8YuWJTVcozUO by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-10T07:08:45.124508Z
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@stux Would be infinitely smarter but they'll never do that.
(DIR) Post #Avz0S9SEfjZV5nWUSG by remi@urbanists.social
2025-07-10T07:14:53Z
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@stux for once, I'm actually proud that my native 🇫🇷 has mandated all car parks be shaded with PV panels.https://entreprendre.service-public.fr/vosdroits/F38187It's fairly recent, change is slow but you can see it.
(DIR) Post #Avz5vh1tQ3EJOP6i92 by optimista@mastodon.online
2025-07-10T08:16:14Z
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@stux remove the cars and we won't need as many solar panels 👍
(DIR) Post #Avz6dh1smU9S8M5Ds0 by chrisp@cyberplace.social
2025-07-10T08:24:13Z
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@stux Yes, but also, less carparks in general. I'm all for solar on bus/tram/train stations.
(DIR) Post #Aw0swgk343xfhYpCWe by Skivling@mastodon.nz
2025-07-11T05:00:13Z
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@stux car drivers are also happy because in summer their cars don't become incredibly hot!
(DIR) Post #AwIqUEPcN68ibXxLs0 by enobacon@urbanists.social
2025-07-19T20:57:26Z
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@stux if we must have cars, I guess, but will drivers pay for the infrastructure, especially to replace what they crash into? Also, if all of the cars are electric, would such an installation of grid tied chargers and solar panels be a net producer or consumer of electricity?