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(DIR) Post #Avt8PecLz8u9YkofKq by Tutanota@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T10:10:02Z
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⚠️Today Gemini starts scanning your phone ⚠️We've updated this blog post with recommendations from the @Mastodon community. Learn:👉 How to disable Gemini👉 How to deinstall GeminiAnd why @GrapheneOS @LineageOS and others are better in the first place.Stop #Google now: 👉 https://tuta.com/blog/how-to-disable-gemini-on-android
(DIR) Post #AvunBcnOFkez8KMptI by kamatahvel@infosec.exchange
2025-07-07T12:06:14Z
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@TutanotaJust wanted to specifically call out @e_mydata as another lovely deGoogled Android alternative. Their installation process was among the easiest in terms of technical skills required (i.e., no command line use required) and having @murena offer the OS preinstalled on phones is, in my opinion, a great way to get the less-technically inclined folks on board.
(DIR) Post #AvunBdkahe105w47AO by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T14:15:21Z
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@kamatahvel @Tutanota /e/OS is incredibly insecure and lacks basic privacy. It doesn't provide current privacy or security patches but rather lags many months and even years behind on providing them. They don't keep the basic Android privacy and security model intact or provide the standard security features. You have a device that's very vulnerable to being taken over remotely, by apps or with physical proximity where disk encryption doesn't properly protect your data and many other weaknesses.
(DIR) Post #AvunBj62pJ9Afv8ong by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T14:19:50Z
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@kamatahvel @Tutanota GrapheneOS is not aimed at a more technical audience. It's a far more stable production quality OS keeping up with updates. It's far more broadly compatible with apps which is the main barrier to using another OS. Our web installer is easier to use, not harder. GrapheneOS is sold preinstalled on devices by multiple companies.Unlike /e/OS, GrapheneOS not only preserves the standard privacy/security model, patches and features but also significantly improves those.
(DIR) Post #AvunBon7eZZmKyKn8i by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T14:22:00Z
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@kamatahvel @Tutanota The third party comparison focused on privacy and security at https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm shows how very different they are from each other. The 2 rows near the bottom covering patch delays are extremely important. Having months or years of delays for critical privacy/security patches is a serious issue. It's not something theoretical and not only relevant to people who are specifically targeted. Those rows understate the issue since on many devices their delays are far longer.
(DIR) Post #AvuoVB5H5r9WvvcViS by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T16:07:06Z
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@GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota OK everything you say is true and Graphene seems nice but... Graphene OS is available only on google devices (see the problem ?). And I will never buy a Google phone. At least, /e/OS is available on more phones.
(DIR) Post #AvuoVC8VBLKQCE8bNw by felis_catus_domesticus@beige.party
2025-07-07T16:30:08Z
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@seyfr @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota I hate google, but I have to give credit where credit is due- Pixels are damn good phones. Better than the crap Samsung makes.
(DIR) Post #AvuoVD4zfs7H7dVJYW by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T16:32:43Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota still, they are google devices. I won't give money to this company. Even less they officially support a fascist.
(DIR) Post #AvuoVDu2c4wvfxO57g by felis_catus_domesticus@beige.party
2025-07-07T16:39:37Z
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@seyfr @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota I have been very happy with a pixel 6 ( a few generations older than current) running lineage OS. I have installed lineage on several phones I have owned and pixels are the least hassle, by far. 2nd place goes to motorola which has *mostly* enlightened bootloader unlock policies, depending on the model you buy. It's just one of those strange ironies that in order to de-google you have to buy a google phone- but you only pay once.. it's like loaning money to a troublesome friend understanding that it's the best way to ensure you'll never see them again..even lineage is based on android sources.. owned and produced by.. google..I don't consider Apple any more ethical or superior to google any way. Just more of the same, and badly overpriced. .
(DIR) Post #AvuoVEYoAVYjiOSdfM by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T18:20:10Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota > I have been very happy with a pixel 6 ( a few generations older than current) running lineage OSYou don't have current privacy and security patches and are vulnerable to exploits which have been caught being actively exploited in the wild. Something to consider.> even lineage is based on android sources.. owned and produced by.. google..Google is very involved in the development of the Linux kernel and lots of open source projects.
(DIR) Post #AvuoXCtbKQgL8D7y0u by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T16:13:54Z
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@seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota /e/OS is extraordinarily insecure and non-private. There are many other options available which aren't so blatantly unsafe.Pixels are currently the only devices combining a high level of security comparable to iPhones with support for using another OS. The vast majority of Android devices lack basic driver/firmware patches and hardware-based security features. Using an alternate OS does not address the lack of proper driver/firmware security patches for a device.
(DIR) Post #AvuoXE2r3Vg6hCSs4m by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T16:19:39Z
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@GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota I understand your point of course, but sticking with Google is still an ethical problem to me you can't degoogle phone while actually giving them money for that phone (that's how I feel). But I bought a Fairphone for their ethical commitment. So there is no alternative except Google and /e/OS... My choice is made, as long as I have no options left. Google will always be the worst choice, I'm sure that you'll agree 😁
(DIR) Post #AvuoXEvnlDd9RcAkim by felis_catus_domesticus@beige.party
2025-07-07T16:33:17Z
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@seyfr @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota honestly, samsung is the worst choice.unreliable hardware, paternalistic company attitude, locked down hardware and software, invasive software.
(DIR) Post #AvuoXFjmlNc3wdYfdA by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T18:22:17Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota Samsung devices are the next most secure Android devices after Pixels. Many of their devices do support installing another OS. If they changed their policies to started allowing another OS to use important hardware-based security features, they would become a viable option for GrapheneOS. Samsung has the ONLY non-Pixel devices providing the security features we require, but does not allow us to use all of them so we can't use their devices.
(DIR) Post #AvuoXLESKm7KzCwjdA by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T18:23:47Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota Samsung also provides significantly better long term support than Fairphone. Samsung does not meet our requirements for software/firmware support at this time, but it's because they make such substantial changes to their fork of AOSP which take them so long to port to new versions. They're 100% capable of meeting our expectations for updates. They provide updates for 7 years but what they provide during that time doesn't match Pixels.
(DIR) Post #Avuob6O5T5GY6YFDUW by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T16:37:38Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota yeah I'm aware I used to have one 🤣 that's why I started my de-GAFAMisation
(DIR) Post #Avuob7TnPLQVUXvI1o by felis_catus_domesticus@beige.party
2025-07-07T16:43:45Z
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@seyfr @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota vendor locked bootloaders are the real evil here.. if computers were sold this way there would be an outcry from users. vendor locked bootloaders were one of the worst mistakes ever made in the phone sphere.way back in the old days, the clone PC broke this locked in paradigm with computers.
(DIR) Post #Avuob8dP76hr4dQTdw by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T16:44:55Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota true... Sadly true.
(DIR) Post #Avuob9JwYwjZCZKRwu by felis_catus_domesticus@beige.party
2025-07-07T16:47:16Z
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@seyfr @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota phones also badly need to move from being based on the android stack of technologies, to something purely linux based and open source from top to bottom... but it'll probably take a long time. Pine phone is holding in there but lacks customers which means they also lack $$$$ to grow and improve.. a vicious self defeating circle for now.
(DIR) Post #AvuobA0826ThJP48hc by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T16:51:44Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota yeah, , I like the PureOS initiative. But I'm not sure there is a Linux available on phones like Fairphone... I should investigate this too 🤣
(DIR) Post #AvuobAWO6AHYvS9tz6 by felis_catus_domesticus@beige.party
2025-07-07T16:57:57Z
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@seyfr @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota pure linux phones are currently stalled out in their infancy right now. but it's a promising direction for the future. It is just a concept that's waiting for some hardware to run on. The software end of things is more or less ready. transitioning from android app paradigm to linux apps will be painful. Maybe like ad-free youtube frontends, banking apps etc can just leverage the web fronted https interfaces that companies have provided for years and years now. that approach would also make spying and spamming a lot easier to control. android "apps" have been an evolutionary step backwards in some ways. Removing the browser from the center of the internet experience, but replacing it with technologies that inentionally had a lot of "evil" baked into them, and turned the phone into a data gathering surveillance device that it was never intended to be by the people who created the fundamental technology.
(DIR) Post #AvuobBHXGrzpHgDYTQ by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T17:57:40Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota GrapheneOS is no less of a Linux distribution than OS using systemd, glibc, pulseaudio/pipewire, X11/Wayland, GNOME, etc. Linux is a kernel and it's the kernel used by the Android Open Source Project. The upstream Linux project is not at all security focused and the design, architecture and implementation are far from what would be chosen with a focus on privacy and security. It's part of what needs to be replaced long term, not continued.
(DIR) Post #AvuobBwenytDLDSOZM by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T17:58:59Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota Android's privacy and security model for applications is massively ahead of the desktop Linux software stack. Android Open Source Project has dramatically better privacy and security throughout the OS too. Mandatory app sandboxing with a strong permission model increasingly based around case-by-case consent instead of software doing anything it wants is important. Traditional desktop operating systems do not have good privacy and security.
(DIR) Post #AvuobCiVw3AdjdqcAC by hackbod@mastodon.social
2025-07-07T22:09:50Z
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@GrapheneOS @felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota Thanks. :) Also worth mentioning that AOSP is explicitly designed to be an open-source OS that Google stuff sits on top of. So even on a GMS device, Google's proprietary code does not run as part of the core OS(*), but rather in sandboxed apps controlled by the OS. (Though anything pre-installed can get privileged permissions, these are restricted in scope and you can audit all of those capabilities.)(*) Excluding drivers.
(DIR) Post #Avuobntnh3BR3MPeOO by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T22:25:05Z
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@hackbod @felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota On GMS devices, Google Play services runs in a dedicated SELinux policy domain with extensive additional access granted through dedicated MAC and MLS policy. It's not running as an untrusted app. It also has extensive privileged permissions granted to it and a bunch of special allowlisting within the OS. It gets used as a backend for a bunch of OS services.On GrapheneOS, Play services installed by a user is a regular sandboxed app.
(DIR) Post #AvuobuFI63wGjkVtiq by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T22:26:19Z
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@hackbod @felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota We implement a compatibility layer to coerce Google Play services, Google Play Store, Google Search, etc. to run as regular apps in the standard app sandbox. It would be easy for Google to do this themselves and allow using them as regular user installed apps on any AOSP-based OS, but it's not what's done. Our approach gets nearly all functionality needed by apps depending on Google Play working but not all Play features work with it.
(DIR) Post #Avuobzwiu0eSPts9c8 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T22:27:53Z
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@hackbod @felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota On GMS devices, Google Play mainline modules provide a whole bunch of the core OS including the app runtime (ART) and much more. Those are built from AOSP tags but they're Google's builds distributed through the Play Store builds so on GMS devices, Google does build/sign a huge portion of the OS due to mainline modules combined with Google Play services, etc. being much more than just bundled untrusted apps without special access.
(DIR) Post #AvuoiY4uueRa0spQki by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T18:05:21Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota Contrary to the marketing, both the Pinephone and Librem 5 have absolutely atrocious security dramatically worse than using an iPhone. They do not provide basic security patches and security features needed to provide a secure device. They're far less secure than mainstream hardware. Contrary to the marketing, they are not open hardware but rather proprietary hardware with proprietary firmware. It's not progress but rather the opposite.
(DIR) Post #AvuoiZ2pJuMl0grH8K by fx@chaos.social
2025-07-08T04:58:18Z
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@GrapheneOS @felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota Do you have sources for these claims?
(DIR) Post #AvuoiZa9K11Mg2Rt4a by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-08T05:36:41Z
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@fx @GrapheneOS @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota yes they have : "no worry, bro" as we say in France ("t'inquiète, frère")
(DIR) Post #Avuoia4zTLguDgsW92 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-08T05:52:16Z
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@seyfr @fx @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota. It's verifiable information. You're promoting multiple products based solely on marketing without confirming anything but have an issue with the reality being pointed out. Reality often doesn't align with how you want things to be. Which part do you think isn't accurate?
(DIR) Post #AvuoicEdSSauuBPFSK by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-08T05:54:27Z
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@seyfr @fx @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota Which aspect of it do you think isn't true? Have you done any research on it?
(DIR) Post #Avuov42xsdy4dXspRg by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-08T05:56:52Z
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@GrapheneOS @fx @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota See ? Aggressive
(DIR) Post #Avuov5YuFN71Ktpqs4 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-08T05:59:43Z
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@seyfr @fx @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota We're asking if there's anything specific we said which you want us to expand upon and if you've tried to look it up to obtain more information yourself. You could tell us what the information you've looked at is and why you think what we said isn't correct. We're open to explaining what we said and why in detail if you clarify what you think is wrong and why.
(DIR) Post #Avuov6bQNUikZ01NR2 by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-08T06:01:31Z
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@GrapheneOS @fx @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota what's wrong is your way to communicate with us. This feels aggressive and you don't even see it. Basically it seems you say every choice is wrong and we're too stupid to see it. I'm sure that's not intended... But that's how I feel
(DIR) Post #Avuov7XCuewRSD3WV6 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-08T06:04:09Z
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@seyfr @fx @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota There are far better choices available than what has been listed. You're focused on products with extremely misleading marketing which are specifically targeting you with that. We haven't been aggressive towards you, but you're now engaging in attacks on us.You'd be better off if you'd just gone with the most mainstream choice of buying an iPhone. Niche products with marketing aimed at you are not inherently better than a mainstream one.
(DIR) Post #AvupAwus9vlT9gfm5I by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-07T18:08:10Z
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@seyfr @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota PureOS has atrocious security and privacy. The entire basis of the OS is avoiding providing users with important firmware updates need to patch serious privacy/security vulnerabilities. Not providing firmware updates doesn't make the firmware go away. The whole basis for their approach to both software and hardware is a game of pretend to meet contrived ideological rules. It is not about privacy or security. It in fact destroys those.
(DIR) Post #AvupAyBvQ1016reuIq by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-08T05:35:13Z
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@GrapheneOS @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota Strangely you're perfect, your devices are perfects. All others OSes and devices are crap. This feels odd to me. In my opinion you need to improve your communication skills. And I have to admitted : you have the same communication issues than /e/OS has. You both just make me wanting to destroy my phone and get back to my old Samsung C130.You should cooperate, not fight. Be constructive, not aggressive. Google is laughing at you at us...
(DIR) Post #AvupAz0yMDpffBXfs0 by felis_catus_domesticus@beige.party
2025-07-08T05:44:27Z
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@seyfr @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota It's helpful to remember that there are a lot of apsberger's and autistics on SM.Many with high IQ's but low social skills.SM masks this, unlike face to face interactions in "real" life.
(DIR) Post #AvupAzyAo7BgcnEx96 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-08T05:58:05Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota You push a bunch of misinformation and now move along with making personal attacks.
(DIR) Post #AvupB0lRqubR5cIIwy by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-08T05:59:46Z
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@GrapheneOS @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota There is no personal attack ! You just spit on others without any source of comparison.
(DIR) Post #AvupB1dgbFzJnpfcUS by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-08T06:08:46Z
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@seyfr @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota If you prefer to have companies selling you products severely lacking in privacy and security but telling you what you want to hear in their marketing, you can go along with that and continue buying them. We don't have anything to sell you. You would very genuinely have far better privacy, security and long term support with an iPhone. There are other options, but you're focused on ones which are quite a lot worse rather than better.
(DIR) Post #AvupB2Mhts063SjZfE by seyfr@mastodon.social
2025-07-08T06:09:24Z
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@GrapheneOS @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota again and again "you're stupid people trust me I know better than you"...
(DIR) Post #AvupB3DsiAXEiNc2Xw by felis_catus_domesticus@beige.party
2025-07-08T06:26:57Z
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@seyfr @GrapheneOS @kamatahvel @Tutanota it is more productive, I find, to discuss the trade-offs between this technology/software and the other one. People can more easily understand that. Speaking in absolute terms only alienates them. If Graphene were a perfect OS, then it would enjoy Android-by-Google's place in the order of things. Clearly, Graphene does not. Most people have never even heard of Graphene but almost everyone knows Google and Google services. Phones are peculiar devices, spawned in a different era. To compare them to PC's- developed in a completely different era, is absurd. Totally different assumptions and concerns governed the development of either platform, separated by decades of time.
(DIR) Post #AvupB43Hd3eTHnf5fM by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-08T06:28:18Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota > discuss the trade-offs between this technology/software and the other oneThis is what we're talking about.> Speaking in absolute terms only alienates them.We aren't speaking in absolutes. It's sensible to call an OS not receiving OS and browser engine patches for many months insecure. It's sensible to call a device with end-of-life components and firmware updates blocked insecure. Basic security updates are a bare minimum baseline.
(DIR) Post #AvupB9ocCVU3A2qSdU by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-08T06:29:41Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota > it would enjoy Android-by-Google's place in the order of things. This is not how the world works. Popularity is not based on merit.> Phones are peculiar devices, spawned in a different era. To compare them to PC's- developed in a completely different era, is absurd.Smartphones are personal computers in a small form factor. They can be used without cellular and other devices can be used with cellular. They're just computers.
(DIR) Post #AvupBFvZTYc47M96JM by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-08T06:32:57Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota Desktop form factor does not imply having an OS without app sandboxing, modern exploit protections, widespread use of memory safe languages, strict whole system mandatory access control policies with the OS designed around those, etc. Smartphones are a form factor of a computer, not something completely different. A laptop has similar components like radios with firmware, drivers, etc. too. Security expectations for smartphones are far higher.
(DIR) Post #AvupBM2sjI1f5lc1XU by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2025-07-08T06:39:46Z
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@felis_catus_domesticus @seyfr @kamatahvel @Tutanota iPhones are one of the most mainstream smartphones and were early to the space. It makes sense to compare against those as a baseline. Relative to a traditional laptop/desktop, they have fantastic privacy and security. They're much better at those than most of the Android world too. They provide serious long term support not provided by most other devices. They're far closer to being reasonably secure and safe computing devices than desktops.
(DIR) Post #AvupGu5FbUJs6jMlzU by vicious@clubcyberia.co
2025-07-08T06:50:52.382221Z
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@GrapheneOS @seyfr @fx @felis_catus_domesticus @kamatahvel @Tutanota i like my iphone i dont have to worry about creepy internet incels