Post AvluwVtserSYcB4LtA by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
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(DIR) Post #AvlXVJdfq7qBp2YCtE by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:19:23.196669Z
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so I mean this guy basically admits that you do have to redesign everything and you can't just flip a switch and that you do have to change the entire industry to accommodate the requirement, then treats it like some kind of epic own instead of realizing he's just a dumbass who admits his version of the proposal is insane
(DIR) Post #AvlXjWZCZSjpyIEZjU by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:21:57.327758Z
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@sun ROFL"It's just more profitable, the money goes into dark shadow agencies in other countries instead of the company/investors but it's way better like this"
(DIR) Post #AvlXsgcMZSlLka57WC by Noraweed@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:23:37.009994Z
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@sun Yes, the industry should change around this. The current state is not good.
(DIR) Post #AvlY0pvHrGxivVorcu by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:25:04.851809Z
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@Noraweed then admit it's a massive change that you're legally forcing instead of lying and saying compliance is trivial
(DIR) Post #AvlYEknJisMn4hjBWC by why@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:27:35.922346Z
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@sun @Noraweed live service games should be a more expensive risk and not an easy way to fool consumers
(DIR) Post #AvlYNLeYZD3fhsjDMW by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:29:08.885791Z
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@why @Noraweed I support truth in labeling, it should be more clear that you're buying a service
(DIR) Post #AvlYS0uV7EWyp1PWq0 by why@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:29:58.947875Z
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@sun @Noraweed guys look its the one dude who actually reads the EULA
(DIR) Post #AvlYUPphQQDuhHJIXY by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:30:25.556438Z
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@why @Noraweed nah put a big label on it like on cigarettes
(DIR) Post #AvlYcQ7wDPWjvTerpY by why@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:31:52.545694Z
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@sun @Noraweed they should do that to offline games and phones and stuff too this shit is a waste of life
(DIR) Post #AvlYoj3jeSWi7OYmi8 by Looming
2025-07-03T19:34:06.898711Z
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@sun @Noraweed So, local idiot and non-dev here, but is it really that difficult to say at the start of a project "Okay, this needs to have an End Of Life plan at the end" and then keep that in mind during development?
(DIR) Post #AvlYt4NYKNDJOktuRk by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:34:52.903593Z
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@why @Noraweed the government I guess largely exists because most people can't take care of themself on even really really small and simple tasks like realizing that the thing you bought requires money to keep running so it will turn off someday
(DIR) Post #AvlYzeHdkQuWUZGwsK by Noraweed@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:36:04.852879Z
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@sun Complience would be trivial if you built the game with the knowledge you need an end-of-life plan. It would not be required for existing games under the current petition proposal.
(DIR) Post #AvlZ5ncNxGt9BEuObg by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:37:10.517987Z
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@Noraweed you're basically saying ban service games, or at least most of them.
(DIR) Post #AvlZA0pAnRCPITtnH6 by why@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:37:56.911391Z
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@sun @Noraweed then use a subscription or free to play model instead of tricking consumers with the same pricing model of products that don't have that problem
(DIR) Post #AvlZCDrjHReAK59GmO by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:38:21.073270Z
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@sun >you do have to change the entire industry to accommodate the requirementYou mean the industry shouldn't make more money with commercial models that deprives people or basic natural rights ?
(DIR) Post #AvlZEYULZm6ErYK8xs by Noraweed@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:38:46.440655Z
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@sun >trivialHonestly a bad word to use here and I don't think the petition actually uses it.Trivial or not. Telling someone to not build planned obsolescence into their product should be normal. My fucking dishwasher should not stop working in 5 years because someone turned a server off, and neither should games I have bought and paid for.
(DIR) Post #AvlZIXawq98vFYJP2u by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:39:29.652167Z
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@Looming @Noraweed you have to architect your game around preservation which may not match market realities. a lot of games could do this but it's an indirect way of banning entire classes of games currently in development that are insanely popular for the long-term benefit of a very small subset of your customers that care when the game turns off after x years.
(DIR) Post #AvlZQukSdk8JNLkpQe by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:40:59.919436Z
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@Noraweed they use "reasonable" which is just as dangerous because as I mentioned before you could argue that dumping a "works on my machine" server binary at end of life that takes significant community effort to get into a workable state could be perceived as not complying
(DIR) Post #AvlZWScC9Tv5rKX5Iu by why@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:41:59.480735Z
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@mer @Noraweed @sun they should make it be a contractwhen you go to gamestop the employee should take out a massive scroll and point to 12 places you need to sign in order to complete the purchasesorta like the form you have to fill out when you buy a gun that says you dont want to kill yourselfthat should be on the games purchase contract too except you should have to declare that games are the only thing stopping you from ending it alland buying games should take away your rights to own guns or take out loans for car, house, etcplease vote for me in the upcoming election i got a plan thatll solve it all
(DIR) Post #AvlZbPhSPxXkGYM7d2 by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:42:53.713825Z
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@why @Noraweed it's the tricking I have a problem with, you should be able to construct any payment model you want including a one time payment for a service that eventually turns off if you are clear that's what you are paying for
(DIR) Post #AvlZeimVvgOaJbIYTI by Noraweed@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:43:30.201943Z
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@sun No, did you read the documentation? Or engage at all with the material of the initiative? If a game is sold specifically, and only as, a service, then it's a service and people know time is only rented on it. If it's sold as a product, it's should be treated as a product.
(DIR) Post #AvlZp56ZmluORjcdsG by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:45:21.967116Z
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@Noraweed its easy to point out tons and tons and tons of people that clearly don't know what the initiative promises which is reason enough to not do it and plenty of people have disputed that this is easy to do
(DIR) Post #Avla1AniR0SVaQZAbQ by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:47:32.403518Z
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@Noraweed I am saying unless you make an extremely specific and limited proposal I am going to reject it on principle, and even the things it wants to do aren't actually so easy to do, the world has changed since the 1990s and its not as simple as just build a single binary and let people own it forever
(DIR) Post #Avla3mRJSwnQtrKZAu by grillchen@brotka.st
2025-07-03T19:47:59.950823Z
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@sun @Noraweed @why side note:some games need to be discovered by players. like hidden quests or hidden features. sometimes it takes the whole player base hours, sometimes years to solve those things. prematurely releasing the server side code spoils this forever.what about this: a game has to be actively used by the IP owner, otherwise it becomes public domain. shutting down servers means they dont use it anymore.
(DIR) Post #Avla6FmtJzy0V5bSYC by Noraweed@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:48:28.374031Z
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@sun I'll be back to argue about this later, I have to get back to work
(DIR) Post #Avla6xqdVR6f9Rh4Uq by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:48:35.842574Z
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@Noraweed ok, take care
(DIR) Post #AvlaHztoDi46hMRGPA by why@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:50:35.672027Z
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@grillchen @Noraweed @sun what a silly thing to side note on. all of this has always been about end of life. your solution only makes things messier and wouldnt save games anyways
(DIR) Post #AvlaIEBh60gr0sukE4 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:50:38.436725Z
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@sun @why @Noraweed >the government I guess largely exists because most people can't take care of themself Isn't it just an historical group of people that just centralized efforts to manage large scale projects ? And what we have today is a accumulative legacy of that ?It can of course boost development like we have seen with war taxes but those should have had a limit period of time by been written off when wars ended.But that wasn't the case. Money flooded in and since there were no legal mechanism to stop it they just went on with it.
(DIR) Post #AvlaPuzoKlbroA1UQa by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:52:01.329747Z
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@why @grillchen @Noraweed it would be great if every product was built with an end of life plan but I think we both know that you work inside of even a big company and the entire operation is still basically fly-by-night.
(DIR) Post #AvlaZO41d4lYZDVdzc by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:53:44.142596Z
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@why @Noraweed @grillchen only pirates actually preserve things not the companies so just optimize the law for letting pirates preserve your product for you
(DIR) Post #AvlacXqfhsXnmYlkOG by why@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T19:54:18.478892Z
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@sun @Noraweed @grillchen pirates cant preserve The Crew thats why we need this law
(DIR) Post #Avlamzq2Up4JUFSOMy by Looming
2025-07-03T19:56:12.752294Z
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@sun @Noraweed >you have to architect your game around preservation which may not match market realities.I don't think I get what you mean. What part of putting in the End of Life plan prevents its from being ran exactly the same way as it would have without the End of Life plan? I also don't think that we are talking about a small subset of customers but I wouldn't know where to pull data from on that lol
(DIR) Post #AvlbD4iUyspW97Mhc0 by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:00:54.554159Z
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@Looming @Noraweed service games are built around assumption of the backend always being there so it takes substantial extra effort to make it not assume that. in an ideal world they would do that but it does take substantial effort essentially for no direct financial return
(DIR) Post #AvlbREgOiwqF6r8QEa by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:03:28.524500Z
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@Looming @Noraweed an open world game might have terabytes of complex map data and content that only is processed on the backend and is never exposed to the client and so there is no natural preservation channel like just making it keep cached downloaded assets or something.
(DIR) Post #AvlbdW0a8M9yJpQmqe by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-07-03T20:04:54.453180Z
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@sun @Looming @Noraweed that's a skill issue
(DIR) Post #Avlbxu70E8LIrm9lLM by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:09:22.336396Z
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@lucy @Looming @Noraweed content often is also scripted and interpreted so you effectively have to give up trade secrets if you do a content dump to satisfy preservation and re-hosting
(DIR) Post #Avlc797VnQDU1HnlBo by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-07-03T20:10:07.573828Z
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@sun @Looming @Noraweed that's how games used to be delivered so clearly it works
(DIR) Post #AvlcC22LYj7dV0iPho by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:11:56.030204Z
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@lucy @Looming @Noraweed this is another "it worked in the 1990s when everything fit in one binary and didn't have anti-cheat" arguments
(DIR) Post #AvlcExurKvH3aUc0Iq by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-07-03T20:12:20.905850Z
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@sun @Looming @Noraweed balatro is written in lua based on love2d the entire code is accessible. it sold 5 million copies.
(DIR) Post #AvlcFzsbWNUvy236fo by lucy@netzsphaere.xyz
2025-07-03T20:12:36.056367Z
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@sun @Looming @Noraweed balatro was released in 2024
(DIR) Post #AvlcIyHnu0z7tTFpUu by Looming
2025-07-03T20:13:11.775906Z
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@sun @Noraweed So, then preservation of this type of game is simply not possible without forcing a change and putting the burden to adapt on the publisher?
(DIR) Post #AvlcL2JJuWFkxEwqdE by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:13:33.262854Z
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@lucy @Looming @Noraweed that is suitable for some games but not others
(DIR) Post #AvlcPl7PG3op58cyEy by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-07-03T20:14:23.080357Z
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@sun i don't care about the hoops the devs have to go through, it's doable, do it. A failed gacha is being repurposed as a standalone game so it can be done. I will rape the op
(DIR) Post #AvlcTEGjKm1gMJdx7g by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:15:01.563899Z
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@Looming @Noraweed it may impose requirements or obligations on the publisher that they find unacceptable but it is always _possible_
(DIR) Post #AvlcX2IJnRWWNaCYMa by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-07-03T20:15:36.336Z
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@sun@shitposter.world @lucy@netzsphaere.xyz @Looming@fsebugoutzone.org @Noraweed@shitposter.world You're making the awful assumption that companies are supposed to be allowed to have secrets in the first place.
(DIR) Post #AvlcY7TzzXg2lDBKN6 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
2025-07-03T20:15:53.758366Z
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@sun @Noraweed nah they could be done, they just gotta make sure it can work standalone once shut down
(DIR) Post #Avlcc8G733WMKFbFnU by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-07-03T20:16:38.111Z
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@sun@shitposter.world @Looming@fsebugoutzone.org @Noraweed@shitposter.world You just release all the fucking code. It's not that big of a deal. Now people can make their own server.
(DIR) Post #Avlcfckk82MjlnalWq by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:17:16.833541Z
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@SuperDicq @Noraweed @Looming there is not a clear separation between code and content in systems that are online and content-heavy, the only reason it was done before was because it was the only way to distribute content
(DIR) Post #Avlck7v0CLLhaPXOkq by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-07-03T20:17:59.609Z
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@sun@shitposter.world @Noraweed@shitposter.world @Looming@fsebugoutzone.org What is content even? And who cares about that? The game is end of life and no longer making profit anyway.
(DIR) Post #AvlclFBiegigQEtDtI by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:18:17.342370Z
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@SuperDicq @Looming @Noraweed I love these arguments by the way because they just prove my point that compliance with people's expectations does change everything up to and including the expectation that copyright should be abolished. keep it up.
(DIR) Post #AvlcovnsfUidScUv1k by lebronjames75@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:18:57.091912Z
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@sun @Looming @Noraweed this is so stupidImagine the bandwidth waste alone for the end clientI don't think a single game does this without having a majority of all map data client side or generated client sideEve online does not count it is not a game it is Microsoft excel gameified
(DIR) Post #AvlcxiYpH3VQzke5j6 by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-07-03T20:20:29.206Z
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@sun@shitposter.world @Looming@fsebugoutzone.org @Noraweed@shitposter.world I don't think copyright should be abolished but it should be heavily reformed to serve the interest of the people instead of the corporations.
(DIR) Post #Avld63PpcUVHzZPhz6 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:22:03.422017Z
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@sun @Looming @Noraweed > that are insanely popularThat popularity/demand was manufactured in the first place.
(DIR) Post #Avld7CYT7qbEcv06nw by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:22:15.906411Z
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@SuperDicq @Noraweed @Looming I mean in an ideal world companies would escrow their game code and assets with like the Library of Congress and in 20 years their copyright would expire and the entire thing would be released
(DIR) Post #AvldHGMfodvzL2HV3I by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2025-07-03T20:24:00.733Z
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@sun@shitposter.world @Noraweed@shitposter.world @Looming@fsebugoutzone.org That's not a bad take. That's still 20 years of proprietary software exploitation but at least we will get free software in the end.
(DIR) Post #AvldRtWj4CXdh33KiG by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:25:59.893120Z
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@SuperDicq @Noraweed @Looming I was giving you my honest opinion, I am not even totally against really big changes I just don't think the vague and exploitable EU bill that will come out of this initiative is going to be the thing that does it
(DIR) Post #AvldaXrUzBdj6gtUVU by why@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:27:33.738503Z
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@lebronjames75 @sun @Looming @Noraweed ms flight sim 2020 is multi terabytes and streams it all from a server
(DIR) Post #AvldnMZEI4OvqFScu8 by lebronjames75@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:29:53.078590Z
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@why @Looming @Noraweed @sun grrr
(DIR) Post #AvleRgCehhngKC7to0 by why@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T20:37:10.250338Z
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@lebronjames75 @Looming @Noraweed @sun also it has an offline mode
(DIR) Post #Avlfw6hGrgxJ8SWG36 by Looming
2025-07-03T20:53:53.050970Z
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@sun @Noraweed Oh god, this post went everywhere and nowhere as I typed it.Well, in the hypothetical scenario that the ECI goes through, the multi-billion dollar industry will work with the EU to figure out what may be acceptable and what may not.That's one of the two or three reasons why 'reasonably functional (playable)' is used in the wording of the ECI. The alternative wording that actually preserves the goal of 'stop killing games' would have been to say "make it work exactly as it did before" which would have been a much tougher sell on all fronts, I think.Anything else like labeling or stickers may be argued as consumer rights wins, but doesn't aid the goal of games not being killed. But I think we may be on the same page then anyway. 1.) If there is more of a burden than the initiative's FAQ lets on, then that should have been clearer. (I mean, I have personally very little knowledge on this but even assuming you are not deceiving me here (You obviously aren't, I've seen you post often enough to know that you are always being very good faith), I would still want to hear from more devs and tech persons to really solidify my opinion on this.)Though I also find it personally a bit difficult to criticize them for that when the first and only loud dev to really publicly critique it was Mr. "I won't talk to Ross or anyone involved with the initiative because it can eat my entire ass". Now the initiative is almost over. 2.) You don't like the EU making the law and possibly fucking it ALLLL UP. Stop Killing Games says, "Well, this is the only chance we see and we'll march on with it. Unless you have an alternative?"And I am from the hysteric "oh god, please preserve the created art" camp, so I weigh the danger of the EU possibly being really stupid and crazy with it way differently. And usually, I also would be in the "Eh, government intervention?" camp.
(DIR) Post #Avlqdc3z7X0gPUWlCS by Noraweed@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T22:53:47.260815Z
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@sun @grillchen @why I am back and have decided to not continue arguing because of this post. If your position is that preservationists should just be forced into a legally dubious position where they can attacked, fined, and shut down at any time if the copyright holder gets aggressive, then we value fundamentally different things and I'm not going be able to convince you otherwise. There's no point.
(DIR) Post #AvlrnezrAWvAMFx2RM by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:06:47.946850Z
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@Noraweed @grillchen @why I literally said that I would support the position that companies just can't prevent you from independently keeping their game working after they abandon it. but overwhelmingly I see people online thinking that this is or will require sweeping changes, and I am extremely skeptical of the EU legislative process. we are talking past each other and agree there's no point in continuing.
(DIR) Post #AvlruSLMbxH98sFeue by Noraweed@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:08:02.308169Z
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@sun @grillchen @why This is a very aggressive post. Let me try and not be such a mad cunt; I don't think there's any argument I can make here that would be both convincing to you and something I actually believe.
(DIR) Post #AvlsOqL9xMYIFoe69w by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:13:31.159204Z
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@Noraweed @grillchen @why I don't take it personally or anything its no problem
(DIR) Post #Avlsc9y0ISpAtCAGkC by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:15:55.889356Z
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@sun @why @Noraweed >you should be able to construct any payment model you want including a one time payment for a service that eventually turns off if you are clear that's what you are paying forYou libertarian now ?
(DIR) Post #AvlsyH6aR9JXOpiyxs by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:19:55.510519Z
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@sun @Noraweed The worst part is that I tried chatting with them about those issues and nothing changed.
(DIR) Post #AvltEW3CdbwuNwszzs by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:22:51.630845Z
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@sun @Noraweed >the world has changed since the 1990s and its not as simple as just build a single binary and let people own it foreverCan you please elaborate on this as the only major change that is a pain in the ass from my perspective is packet routing, which has become quite frustrating compared to when I began 20 years ago.
(DIR) Post #AvltIp5vm5mIbjDRom by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:23:38.117152Z
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@mangeurdenuage @Noraweed I'm done talking about this, I detailed all my arguments already
(DIR) Post #AvltNRGnmWPUAGVATA by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:24:28.664371Z
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@sun @Noraweed okay.
(DIR) Post #AvltbQgekJFOPWGYdc by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:26:59.689173Z
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@mer @Noraweed @sun @why >you can’t always make EULA *checks my internationally distributed optical disc containing AOE from 1998"
(DIR) Post #AvltflEGJTMzHM3BE8 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-07-03T23:27:45.585387Z
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@sun i raised the issue that a lot of servers now are just outsourced too. if you built your game around nakama there isn't a server to even give out, it's all locked up in their cloud :comfywoozy: (nakama does have some crippled self hosting options, but many alternatives which do the same thing doesn't.)
(DIR) Post #AvltoWCFZZOxGMHjyi by sun@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:29:22.050584Z
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@icedquinn I also know for a fact that there are server software that provide the source to customers for customization, but you cannot distribute those changes
(DIR) Post #AvltzJ1OthENaRM1Ro by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:31:19.370596Z
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@Looming @Noraweed @sun Eeyp, but it's the publisher who expanded their customer base troughs amoral schemes even at the expense of the customer's mental health.
(DIR) Post #Avlu2rsVl2R0YrtXm4 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-07-03T23:31:56.220054Z
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@sun i guess there is some optimism that politicians will care about signatures and not totally just water it down to meaninglesness exactly as all the right to repair bills had happen :blobcatshrug2: not really against what they want, though i've read years of devs talk about why this isn't the norm already, and i'd be deeply surprised if this doesn't get immediately swiss cheesed like populist laws all do.
(DIR) Post #AvluHHyRX0NXY9Xu8e by icedquinn@blob.cat
2025-07-03T23:34:32.646335Z
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@hazlin @sun considering gamers won't make and hold any kind of stand on anything, its a bit of desperation to try to get the bully in the room to force it yeah.
(DIR) Post #Avlubhflh3fx2qXrnM by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:38:15.885008Z
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@SuperDicq @sun @Noraweed @Looming Anything that has a trademark licensing, art, story, brand etc...Code has it's own licensing system.*You can compared that to board games and we come back to the maths of game theory.No user gives a shit about how it's manufactured they just want to see the story/gameplay/art. And it doesn't affect the people negatively to have trademarks on these as if people want to make their own version or changes rules no human or no human made tool has the omnipotence/omnipresence to stop you from doing so.Meanwhile in computing omnipotence/omnipresence can be emulated thanks to a combination of black box automation via the internet and DRM.
(DIR) Post #Avluk0OXy6u7QZRsx6 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:39:45.488471Z
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@sun @Looming @Noraweed @SuperDicq >that copyright should be abolished.Pretty much, we need to go back pre bern convention and maybe even further.
(DIR) Post #AvluwVtserSYcB4LtA by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:42:01.499024Z
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@lebronjames75 @sun @Looming @Noraweed >it is Microsoft excel gameified
(DIR) Post #Avlv6KMGQVQViH1bXc by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-03T23:43:47.949647Z
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@why @lebronjames75 @Looming @Noraweed @sun "Peak users for MSFS2020 are 61,775 (August 2020) and drop to 15,051 in September 2020. In July 2021, there is a peak of 19,580, and then it drops again. By November 2024, it was declining, and after the release of MSFS2024, it continues to decline."
(DIR) Post #AvmAaRLQVvetNhRy9g by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2025-07-04T02:37:15.249229Z
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@mangeurdenuage @sun @Noraweed @why i thought the asian gf kinds of gives it away
(DIR) Post #AvmC1Mo5apJX54GCjA by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world
2025-07-04T02:53:23.066396Z
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@hakui @Noraweed @sun @why :spidey_reality: