Post AvjP28h8GNmDX2pDk0 by dentangle@chaos.social
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(DIR) Post #AvjKvh55cL7KKshapE by dentangle@chaos.social
2025-07-01T10:07:44Z
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#DuckDuckGo just presented me with a CAPTCHA to proceed with a search.I closed the site and tried again. Same.So now I need a new search engine.
(DIR) Post #AvjKvi6XoPsJVgOGjQ by felixxx@techtett.de
2025-07-01T17:30:48Z
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@dentangle what about #Kagi?
(DIR) Post #AvjKvjCbjMJqumEcoy by abucci@buc.ci
2025-07-01T17:39:21Z
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@felixxx@techtett.de @dentangle@chaos.social Kagi is AI poisoned, and its founder has some "interesting" views one might call sociopath-adjacent if one were feeling charitable. I wouldn't commit to them, personally.
(DIR) Post #AvjKvjmPaExWhozDd2 by felixxx@techtett.de
2025-07-02T17:15:00Z
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@abucci @dentangle Well, if that's the case, you probably shouldn't support any of the big tech companies, because all their CEOs are a bit nuts in some way.
(DIR) Post #AvjKvkJjaLc8NAZpZI by abucci@buc.ci
2025-07-02T17:48:15Z
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@felixxx@techtett.de I don't find such all-or-nothing thinking to be particularly helpful when making decisions. In the case of Kagi, the founder expresses views I find abhorrent, and early posts on Kagi's blog explicitly outlined a vision and business model in which user activity becomes training data for their AI, which they in turn sell to other users. I object to both deeply enough to avoid the service before becoming dependent on it and incurring a potential switching cost if it enshittifies (which seems likely to me). You may reason differently, which is fine. @dentangle@chaos.social
(DIR) Post #AvjKvolt1cVgBdmN0K by dentangle@chaos.social
2025-07-01T10:09:38Z
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Not really sure what to use for search now. DDG doesn't support IPv6 as I discovered last week while working on an #IPv6 only network. Neither does #Mojeek (and their language support is limited to ascii-only languages - even entering "français" it will ask "did you mean francais?" (same for umlauts) and Russian and Ukrainian aren't indexed at all).Google and Bing are the only ones I know with IPv6 support.We seem to be getting driven off the web, folks.
(DIR) Post #AvjKvwWEDijqDOVyi0 by dentangle@chaos.social
2025-07-01T10:18:47Z
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Finding something in the mid nineties required knowing something about the content of the page you might expect to find it on. I was pretty good with the old search engines. Then Google entered with PageRank in 1998 and everything changed. In the office we'd state a question out loud during a conversation and then go type it verbatim into Google and it Just Worked.Until about 5 years ago, when we started sliding back towards mid nineties level search, but now the haystack is much bigger...
(DIR) Post #AvjKw4GDR8gQE35IrQ by dentangle@chaos.social
2025-07-01T10:21:42Z
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Now, thanks to the size of the web, and the fact that nearly every website is collapsing under the weight of AI crawlers, it's not really feasible to build a search engine from scratch effectively.Building a new web browser from scratch is also a difficult problem.The web is dying. Perhaps its time has come. ⚰️
(DIR) Post #AvjOV4rXUS1k5fvaLo by felixxx@techtett.de
2025-07-02T18:09:14Z
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@abucci I simply don't believe that companies of this size can be operated profitably without having to resort to objectionable practices; unfortunately, our world is too broken for that. Perhaps it could be financed through massive donations, but such projects are just incredibly rare.@dentangle
(DIR) Post #AvjOV5ojwLNl3Hcrcu by abucci@buc.ci
2025-07-02T18:28:27Z
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@felixxx@techtett.de I think we are talking past one another, and so I will kindly bow out after this note. What you are expressing sounds fatalistic and thought-terminating to my ear. "The world is broken, so all companies must engage in objectionable practices; therefore, I will not make individual choices about which companies I do business with" sounds like a cop out, to me, and I reject it as a way of thinking. We have a choice not to use Kagi--for any reason really--and I've exercised that choice. If you've chosen differently so be it, but throwing up the hands and giving up is not a choice for me.Have a good rest of your day!@dentangle@chaos.social
(DIR) Post #AvjP28h8GNmDX2pDk0 by dentangle@chaos.social
2025-07-02T18:27:16Z
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@felixxx @abucci I don't pay any of the big tech companies and actively reduce my usage of them. Kagi is a paid subscription. I don't mind paying, but I won't fund AI or homophobia (Brave).
(DIR) Post #AvjP29srqEl3DjK6fg by abucci@buc.ci
2025-07-02T18:34:30Z
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@dentangle@chaos.social Right, nor will I. In this instance none of us have to; there are quite a few alternative search engines at this point, some of which aren't bad and can be effective if used together. Every now and then I consult this list and try out any new entrants. I also spent a bit a time a few years ago trying to get a YaCy instance going, with mixed success. I think with some resolve and a bit of work one can get away from the Google's of the world and have a decent experience, but it does take work and therefore some resolve.@felixxx@techtett.de