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(DIR) Post #Avj8aIrVGlufgrNgNk by ehasbrouck@urbanists.social
2025-07-01T00:16:31Z
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@Yuvalne - The Internet Archive never lent books. They made and distributed an unlimited number of unrestricted copies of each book, with a public URL for a scanned image of each page of each book: https://nwu.org/what-is-the-internet-archive-doing-with-our-books/
(DIR) Post #Avj8aKUtBp0olIoePY by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-02T15:30:32.882489Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne is that supposed to be a flaw?
(DIR) Post #Avj9U1MnVHFfe8aRhA by ehasbrouck@urbanists.social
2025-07-02T15:39:14Z
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@a1ba @Yuvalne - When the copies were unauthorized and unpaid-for, and diverted readers from authorized sites which could pay the writer and/or provide better and more up-to-date versions for readers, yes.
(DIR) Post #Avj9U2uVlPoWQzMssq by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-02T15:40:42.793810Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne sure piracy is bad, but don't you think there should be some entity that preserves books for generations?
(DIR) Post #AvjA21Acjw3Csp6UNs by ehasbrouck@urbanists.social
2025-07-02T15:44:25Z
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@a1ba @Yuvalne - Libraries can and do buy books and preserve them. The Internet Archive buys books, and could preserve them and make *the copies they buy* available. What they can't legally do (but do) is make and distribute additional unauthorized copies, in effect becoming a publisher and distributor of their own new pirate edition of each book.
(DIR) Post #AvjA22U9qnGoxhFbTE by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-02T15:46:51.336871Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne yes, Internet Archive is a library. Just online one.
(DIR) Post #AvjAmDemeDukvjF116 by ehasbrouck@urbanists.social
2025-07-02T15:52:01Z
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@a1ba @Yuvalne - They call themselves a library, but that doesn't make it so. As discussed in the NWU explainer I linked to earlier in this thread, libraries *lend* books. Lending doesn't implicate copyright, because lending doesn't involve making copies. IA makes and distributes (unauthorized) copies. Scanning something and posting it on an unrestricted public web site isn't lending, it's publishing. IA is a pirate Web publisher, not a library.
(DIR) Post #AvjAmEPZqFLRGr8NxA by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-02T15:55:13.864319Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne how do you make something restricted online then? If you think of DRM, name at least one that hasn't been broken and/or wasn't a nuisance for those who legally own a piece of media?Also what stops one from scanning a book that I lent from the library? Should real life libraries be banned too then?
(DIR) Post #AvjBMBSUIZ6cXMdgS8 by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-02T16:01:40.722857Z
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@lanodan @Yuvalne @ehasbrouck not only that, libraries doesn't incentive to purchase your own copy of the book. Because you can always lend one.Are real life libraries are "hurtful" as Internet Archive?
(DIR) Post #AvjCky7z6B08O1Qn44 by tauon@possum.city
2025-07-01T01:08:10.679Z
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@ehasbrouck@urbanists.social @Yuvalne@433.world good
(DIR) Post #AvjKiL5U4tRwMKWDU8 by ehasbrouck@urbanists.social
2025-07-02T17:07:55Z
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@a1ba @Yuvalne - Only the law stops one from copying a book borrowed form a library. But Libraries don't themselves make unlimited numbers of printed copies. They only lend the copy they bought. It's not about what those who get copies from IA do. IA *itself*, unlike a library, is making the unauthorized copies.
(DIR) Post #AvjKiMEjnyRhvJr7Y0 by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-02T17:46:32.223190Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne neither does IA actually. If you don't want to create another unauthorized copy of a book, then just don't download it.
(DIR) Post #AvjKtZb6TEIEXwfIOm by ehasbrouck@urbanists.social
2025-07-02T17:11:17Z
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@a1ba @Yuvalne - Many writers *already* make works included in previously-published books available online in non-DRM formats. But IA *refuses* even to talk to writers about letting us add pointers to these authorized editions to IA index pages. IA insists on telling visitors *only* about its own bootleg versions, even when better, authorized versions exist.
(DIR) Post #AvjKtam85ihuCQpcDw by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-02T17:48:30.117695Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne is there a source for that claim? I don't think IA wants to be involved in piracy, but you just can't preserve media in any other way other than letting everybody to have free (as in freedom) access to the information.
(DIR) Post #AvjmjaVB3BnxAjv6n2 by ehasbrouck@urbanists.social
2025-07-02T22:56:33Z
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@a1ba @Yuvalne -IA's web server creates a new copy for each visitor. That's what a web server does.
(DIR) Post #Avjmjb4GwhsSvaL8Ua by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-02T23:00:06.983924Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne it doesn't, it just sends data. It's up to receiver side what to do with it.
(DIR) Post #Avjz5mxMckOfcWSNvs by ehasbrouck@urbanists.social
2025-07-03T01:16:21Z
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@a1ba @Yuvalne - WTF? The data sent by the Web server to the client *is* a copy of the file on the server. Another copy for each visitor.
(DIR) Post #Avjz5oKnV6jftUQc64 by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-03T01:18:31.634462Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne so we should ban internet then
(DIR) Post #AvjzNaxBzMElbgrpwG by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-03T01:22:06.318189Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne my point is that it's up to you what to do with the information you received. If you can only think of anything online (because all web server does is copying) as a piracy, it's just your problem. Maybe you should stop pirating others work by stopping browsing the internet.
(DIR) Post #Avk0cs9aQDsbFWVsum by ehasbrouck@urbanists.social
2025-07-03T01:26:45Z
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@a1ba @Yuvalne - I have *authorized* some web server operators to distribute copies of my work. I haven't authorized IA. They haven;t asked. They refuse to even discuss referring visitors wanting my work to an authorized server where they can get an up-to-date legal copy.
(DIR) Post #Avk0ct9GitDgKpN93g by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-03T01:35:56.013649Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne it's a library, they don't need your permission.
(DIR) Post #Avk0oNQEVTqbPcmkLo by a1ba@suya.place
2025-07-03T01:38:07.258719Z
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@ehasbrouck @Yuvalne besides, you can upload stuff and put the links in the description yourself.