Post Avf3G0unWQdQ4NETbM by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #AXZF2DG8dkjShtJuoC by karolherbst@chaos.social
2023-07-10T12:26:28Z
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The S in LTS stands for suffering
(DIR) Post #AXZFBsn9ao3a7kNEvo by soulfire@social.thetooniverse.xyz
2023-07-11T00:07:12.742777Z
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@karolherbst this post is making me wonder if I need to grow up and adopt bleeding edge. Even though I don’t like the idea of having a system that just stops working if you updated after leaving it off for a few months
(DIR) Post #AXZJwy6Y3b8i1p9Ye0 by karolherbst@chaos.social
2023-07-11T00:58:45Z
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@soulfire Well.. I've been using Fedora for a few years now and have automatic updates enabled and I update the major release quite quickly. So far the only cases where booting broke was because I messed around with grub myself :D
(DIR) Post #AXZJwym1ZOJg6SYgIC by karolherbst@chaos.social
2023-07-11T00:59:41Z
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@soulfire but anyway.. I think in concept LTS is fine, just most distributions kinda forget about the "support" part, like ubunutu shipping EoL packages and almost never bother proactively backporting patches.
(DIR) Post #AXZK0wCP5FzZHDmhvM by soulfire@social.thetooniverse.xyz
2023-07-11T01:01:16.121175Z
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@karolherbst I’m just waiting for the latest version of elixir to be in the 22.04 repositories :/
(DIR) Post #AvegHoAdZxOcB0WnXU by ozzelot@mstdn.social
2025-06-30T11:54:47Z
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@karolherbst Lies, Torment and Suffering
(DIR) Post #Aveq30WINhdVfvEuem by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-30T13:44:10Z
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@karolherbst as a user or as a maintainer?
(DIR) Post #AveqhfYFFM86W0XZCK by karolherbst@chaos.social
2025-06-30T13:51:27Z
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@wolf480pl yes
(DIR) Post #Avf0NoCqMEwn6jhNFA by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-30T15:39:59Z
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@karolherbst hmm idkAs a user I greatly appreciate LTS releases of software.
(DIR) Post #Avf0g6EU4g3wEDBhEu by karolherbst@chaos.social
2025-06-30T15:43:15Z
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@wolf480pl tell that to users who complain at upstream about bugs fixed 2 years ago, but whose fixes never made it into their LTS distribution of choice.
(DIR) Post #Avf0wRgW5FOPOV5t4a by juliangro@social.linux.pizza
2025-06-30T15:30:37Z
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@karolherbst as a developer, I find LTS extremely useful.The amount of times an update to a bleeding edge distribution breaks something is impressive. Just GCC alone breaks something almost every major release. Usually only small fixes are required, but you can't plan with it. The updates just show up whenever. Having a target LTS system which won't break your build process for two years until you switch to the next version is amazing.
(DIR) Post #Avf0wSInmu19JF0SkS by karolherbst@chaos.social
2025-06-30T15:33:05Z
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@juliangro there is a middle ground between LTS and rolling release
(DIR) Post #Avf0wSuNXC4jBmaTJo by karolherbst@chaos.social
2025-06-30T15:35:04Z
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@juliangro but anyway, my issue isn't with the concept of LTS, just that there are some distributions who don't live up to the expectations and leave users hanging with actual real issues fixed upstream.Usually they wait until a user hits the bug, but they should be more proactive on it.They ship unsupported software, it's their job to fix and maintain it, not upstream's.
(DIR) Post #Avf20Is2tbf7ActFPE by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-30T15:58:09Z
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@karolherbst Yeah, there are probably people who use an LTS distro without knowing what they sign up for.And some of those report bugs upstream instead of to their distro.And those are the ones you hear from.You'd likely never hear from users who report bugs to the distro, or who know that dealing with old bugs is a concious tradeoff they made to avoid dealing with new bugs and API breakage.Also, what if upstream-maintained LTS?
(DIR) Post #Avf2GC4VwRuCiXIc5o by karolherbst@chaos.social
2025-06-30T16:00:58Z
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@wolf480pl Sooo... I don't think that's true. They sign up for an LTS distro, which means bugs get fixed over time.I think it's better to say that most of the LTS distros aren't LTS after all as they don't actually take on the maintainers jobs of the software they ship EoL versions of.I think it's in most cases simply deception.To me, LTS means _actively_ support the software. Tracking upstream branches and backport patches pro-actively.Of course volunteer distros can't deliver that.
(DIR) Post #Avf314o2lz1FnGx0Vs by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-30T16:09:29Z
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@karolherbst well, some of them try to do that for CVEs.Anyway, idk what it's like for an average Linux user, but in my case, I'm much less bothered by things that never worked, than by things that used to work and stopped.So I guess for me a snapshot of a distro is good enough, as long as someone keeps hosting the repo, so I don't have to download all packages I might need in the future.But I'm weird.
(DIR) Post #Avf3G0Cq9rTNs2fN5M by karolherbst@chaos.social
2025-06-30T16:03:02Z
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@wolf480pl I think we just need a better term for those distributions that don't update their software, but something without the name "support" in it.And I think it would be better if that term actually transports the de-factor meaning of what it means to use debian stable or whatever.
(DIR) Post #Avf3G0unWQdQ4NETbM by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-30T16:12:09Z
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@karolherbst I would suggest "Low Effort Support" but that has the word "support" in it...
(DIR) Post #Avf3i0C9nCQXwdhL2O by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2025-06-30T16:17:15Z
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@karolherbst although if we accept that suffering is inevitable when using software, we can differentiate these two approaches asLong Term SufferingandFast Paced Suffering