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 (DIR) Post #AvcUSqkElFBlZzl4Nc by interfluidity@zirk.us
       2025-06-29T10:32:54Z
       
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       conjecture: the quality of life in its prisons is a pretty good measure of the success and level of civilization of a society.(note “measure”, which does not make a claim of “cause”. there are Goodhart’s Law risks.)
       
 (DIR) Post #Avcwem8OWdfFTLX5CS by oliversampson@sigmoid.social
       2025-06-29T15:48:45Z
       
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       @interfluidity Apparently the cannonical version of this is from Hubert Humphrey.https://atkinsbookshelf.wordpress.com/2018/02/21/famous-misquotations-a-civilization-is-measured-by-how-it-treats-its-weakest-members/He doesn't mention prisoners, but, eh, he was a politician.And, yes, you are right.