Post AvcHGeBAM5RfjFClu4 by tml@urbanists.social
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(DIR) Post #AvbNFLyewrnxYRA5AW by pony@blovice.bahnhof.cz
2025-06-28T21:37:12.657803Z
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I’m sure there was some kind of a thought behind this. Probably a bad one.
(DIR) Post #Avc8inqn5kFgFF1eQC by ysegrim@furry.engineer
2025-06-29T01:01:06Z
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@pony Okay, so what would be the legal situation here? Who needs to yield, the trams or the pedestrians?(I'm aware who should yield :) )
(DIR) Post #AvcEw4K5l2Kip6RKIi by tml@urbanists.social
2025-06-29T07:32:09Z
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@pony My guess: The tram line is much newer than the bridge, and had to be shoehorned into the space that is left after keeping the sidewalks, perhaps adding a cycle path, and reducing the street width to one lane?
(DIR) Post #AvcEw5XFFcRsaBbLRQ by pony@blovice.bahnhof.cz
2025-06-29T07:38:48.953968Z
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@tml yeah probably the tram is newer than most of the street, but still
(DIR) Post #AvcFU5UztNBgJelJbM by tml@urbanists.social
2025-06-29T07:40:59Z
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@pony The tram lines in Itä–Pasila have changed at lot over the years, and the city's overall intent is to make public transport *better*. There is no conspiracy to make it harder for trams. On the contrary, it is the car lobby that complains about alleged policy to make it harder for cars, and public transport and cycling infrastructure being favoured. Here, they had to make do with the existing non-movable bridge support.
(DIR) Post #AvcFU6jZIgRA98aSx6 by pony@blovice.bahnhof.cz
2025-06-29T07:44:56.415300Z
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@tml I’m not suggesting the intent is anti transit, but also the footbridge is fairly dated and superfluous, I think they should have really just removed it unless preserving the 70’s vibe was of huge importance
(DIR) Post #AvcGLipAPbyhd4lsAK by tml@urbanists.social
2025-06-29T07:47:48Z
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@pony The footbridge is where people walk across the street, if they come from the large houses on one side and are going to some shop or the library on the other side. Would it really be better if they had to go down stairs to the street level, cross the street, and up again to the semi-pedestrianised upper level?(Can't say how well the pedestrianisation actually works in those parts, it might be that various cars providing "important services" keep driving there all the day anyway.)
(DIR) Post #AvcGLjkay5uoVBdjg8 by pony@blovice.bahnhof.cz
2025-06-29T07:54:39.209166Z
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@tml the footbridge ends with stairs down to the street level anyway, it doesn’t do that much and there is no counter slope on the other side of the road to get back to
(DIR) Post #AvcHGeBAM5RfjFClu4 by tml@urbanists.social
2025-06-29T07:57:35Z
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@pony Ah OK, I thought this was in another place.
(DIR) Post #AvcHGfMByZrLNjN5jE by pony@blovice.bahnhof.cz
2025-06-29T08:04:57.107072Z
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@tml it’s in pasila to the exhibition centre, I can understand the bridge between the station/mall and the other side of the street
(DIR) Post #AvcINwY4YYNOgKxj2e by tml@urbanists.social
2025-06-29T08:12:35Z
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@pony By the way, that footbridge used to end with a circular ramp for cyclists or others that couldn't use stairs. Orthophoto from 1998 from https://kartta.hel.fi , in the next one from 2001 the circular ramp is gone.
(DIR) Post #AvcINxe8TUow5Qo58C by pony@blovice.bahnhof.cz
2025-06-29T08:17:27.587555Z
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@tml there’s an elevator now I think? But if you bike, you can just use the street(Weirder think is the disused second tram track, not sure if this was bidirectional originally or it’s for something else.)
(DIR) Post #AvcOynMsFgLoeFgDPU by eal@post.ebin.club
2025-06-29T09:23:52.732606Z
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@pony @ysegrim legally, at a crosswalk marked with that traffic sign, all vehicles yield to pedestrians (including trams)in practice people often wait for the tram to passthe "express tram" line 15 and tampere tram have some crossings that are not proper crosswalks (no sign, no zebra painting) and at those the pedestrian yields legally
(DIR) Post #AvcQjY4x0vaQnK9c8W by jonossaseuraava@post.ebin.club
2025-06-29T09:46:13.336653Z
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@eal @pony @ysegrim imo everybody should yield to track traffic alwaysi've seen multiple cases here where trams do yield for single pedestrian
(DIR) Post #AvcQuEx4T6E6esZBOy by jonossaseuraava@post.ebin.club
2025-06-29T09:52:15.751992Z
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@pony @ysegrim @eal maybe in couple of years when i've turned my negative savings (read debt) into actual savings for travel